Editing Talk:Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+

See http://www.kh2.co.uk, which now hosts scans of Sora fighting Marluxia and Lexaeus.  I don't know why he's fighting Lexaeus - that's supposed to be Riku - but he fights both of them wearing his new clothes.  Hmm...  '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott]]</font>[[User talk:Scottch|<font color=#ff9900>ch]]'''''</font> 07:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

* Apparently, in Final Mix+, you can fight the Chain of Memories Organization members without any storyline impact. Lucky Japanese people... [[User:Wynaut|Wynaut]] 22:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
==Clarify==
There are a few sentences I found confusing in the article:
* time limit increased to 2 minutes to 90 seconds
* the time to open the the switch has increased to 30 to 45 seconds
* Filling the Drive Gauge is easier (for instance, originally you got 1 1/3 of a bar of attacking bosses,but now you get 3/4)
Can somebody clarify those? —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 04:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

:The drive guage thing is rather simple: In the original version of KH2, you'd gain a third of a drive bar for attacking a boss, but in FM+ you'll get three quarters of your bar filled up. [[User:Hexedmagica|The]]  [[User talk:Hexedmagica|Hexed]]

:: By “attacking a boss”, do you mean landing one hit, killing it, or what?  Thanks for the reply. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 04:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. [[User:Hexedmagica|The]]  [[User talk:Hexedmagica|Hexed]]
::::Fixed (or do you disagree?). --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 14:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::: I trust you, so this looks alright.  I just hope that the original author did mean ''decrease'' in the first point, and that the drive gauge comparison isn’t needed. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 18:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::How would you ''increase'' 120 seconds to 90 seconds..? And the comparison was based on approximations. Approximations ''can'' be used, but explaining the basis of them (which is usually required) would disrupt the flow of short statements present in the section. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 18:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::: The original author does not have good writing, so there’s the possibility that they meant ‘increased to 2 minutes ''from'' 90 seconds’, as the trend is an ''increase'' in everything.  The drive gauge statement can be short if only the quantitative measurement is written, because it would be redundant to say that the drive gauge is easier to fill up. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 18:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::However, with a few minutes worth of research, you'd know that the "original" battle lasted 2 minutes, which means that that wouldn't be the case. But why is it redundant to say that the drive gauge is easier to fill up? We have no 'exact' measurements and we have no 'exact' mathmatical formular, all we can say is that by taking the exact same course of action in a situation with no other variables, the Drive Gauge will have increased more in KHII:FM+ than in KHII, in other words, "it's easier to fill", or, "it fills quicker". Unless you have a better way of stating it, I would say it is perfectly fine as it is. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 19:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
(Undent) If you did the research, then that’s good.  Regarding the measurements, it should be fine to write the approximate values.  It’s just unnecessary to put ''both'' the relative and numerical comparisons in the same line when only one of them—preferably the latter—is needed. —[[User:Shidou|Shidou]] 20:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

==Mystery!==
I find it weird that this article is accessible despite the Plus sign. How is that possible? [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 12:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

==EGM Rumors==
When you guys wrote down that rumor that EGM magazine believes it will come to the US in Fall 2008, didn't you confuse it with the original rumor of the Fall 2007 release that was proven to be false.  Or did they make another article in that magazine that happened to mention that.

== American PS2-Compatable Versions ==

Can someone tell me where I can get an American PS2-Compatable version of Final Mix+? Are they only purchasable offline? Can you only Really import them in? Even better question:Can they still be shipped? [[User:KingChaosvii7|KingChaosvii7]] 22:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ain't no such thing - sorry. Easy to get hold of the Japanese version though (and it works in any NTSC-J PS2 - Chinese ones will work too). [[User:SaviourSeph|SaviourSeph]] 13:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
well, there is a way, but it's only the closest you can get to having a REAL final mix+....swap magic.[[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 10:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

==Petition==
Why is the petition from ''American'' fans? There are plenty of us here in the UK (and the rest of the world outside of Japan and America) that want it too, you know. Not that it matters, since Square-Enix probably won't ever release the Final Mixes outside of Japan no matter how many of their worldwide fans they torment as a result. [[User:Sorceror Nobody|Sorceror Nobody]] 20:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== International ==

who else has noticed that the "Naming" scene in the trailer was in english?

== translate ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/935702/50361

== Japanese Console? ==

{{XNX|text=I hate to ask something like this but it's been bugging me. My best friend said he was going to buy me Kingdom Hearts II:Final Mix+, then he tells me one day that since the game isn't in english, you need a Japanese PS2 to play it. I didn't think there was a diffrence since you can change the language setting on the PS2. I didn't want to sound selfish so I just pretended to believe him. can anyone tell me if this is true?}}

{{Xiggie|text=I know that you can hack your PS2 somehow, and make it work, but otherwise, it won't.

I bought the game, and it didn't work...}}

{{XNX|text= Oh... well ''that's'' disappointing. At least I know my best friend wasn't lying to me. Thanks! ^_^}}
{{TNE|time=04:33, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm not too sure, I'm able to play it...}}

{{Xhurtemob|time=02:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Thanks for all the info, cuz I might get the game in a while... (Thank God for e-Bay!!! B-D)}}
{{TNE|time=02:31, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=I've been enjoying it ^^}}

== Character Model changes ==

I noticed there were some redesigns for Roxas' character model (see right; there's the checkerboard design on his coat, hair has more detail, etc.) Is this true for Roxas alone or were there changes to others? (most likely the latter) [[User:Maggosh|Maggosh]] 03:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Roxas khII.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHII]]
[[Image:Roxas khIIfm+.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHIIFM+]]

{{TNE|time=02:36, September 6, 2009 (UTC)|text=As far as I know, even Sora's model was changed (particularly for Wisdom Form) because in the original game, the sleeves had crosses from Master Form. In FM+, the sleeves had the correct design - the blue flames. Well, we'd always expect some serious design errors in the original version...}}
{{DTN|time=02:38, September 6, 2009 (UTC)|text=As you can see, Roxas has a checkered pattern along the sleeves' crease, and his face has been smoothed out.}}

{{TNE|time=04:07, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Also, I may have forgotten to mention that even though most of the censors from KHII were brought on to KHIIFM, the death of Axel (though synchronised with English voice-acting) retains the flames from the Japanese version.}}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Cool. It doesn't matter what changes was mde to Roxas, he still looks cute!}}
{{TNE|time=04:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Indeed, and added onto that hotness is Jessy McCartney's voice. <3}}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Yeah! Tee hee hee!}}
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 {{Xhurtemob|time=02:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Thanks for all the info, cuz I might get the game in a while... (Thank God for e-Bay!!! B-D)}}
-{{TNE|time=02:31, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=I've been enjoying it ^^}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:59, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|happy=Good for you, but do you have to press {{button|c}} or {{button|x}} to jump??}}
+{{TNE|time=02:31, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=I've been enjoying it ^^}}
-{{TNE|time=01:17, February 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=In Final Mix we use {{Button|X}}. The controls between {{Button|c}} and {{Button|x}} are reversed.}}
 == Character Model changes ==
 I noticed there were some redesigns for Roxas' character model (see right; there's the checkerboard design on his coat, hair has more detail, etc.) Is this true for Roxas alone or were there changes to others? (most likely the latter) [[User:Maggosh|Maggosh]] 03:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
-<!--[[File:Roxas khII.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHII]]-->
+[[Image:Roxas khII.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHII]]
-<!--[[File:Roxas khIIfm+.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHIIFM+]]-->
+[[Image:Roxas khIIfm+.JPG|thumb|Roxas in KHIIFM+]]
 {{TNE|time=02:36, September 6, 2009 (UTC)|text=As far as I know, even Sora's model was changed (particularly for Wisdom Form) because in the original game, the sleeves had crosses from Master Form. In FM+, the sleeves had the correct design - the blue flames. Well, we'd always expect some serious design errors in the original version...}}
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 {{TNE|time=04:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Indeed, and added onto that hotness is Jessy McCartney's voice. <3}}
 {{NinjaSheik|happy=Yeah! Tee hee hee!}}
-==Question, guys...==
-{{TNE|time=04:51, 31 March 2011 (EDT)|attntext=How come this part was taken out from the article?
-''All of the new cutscenes are silenced and only the Japanese subtitles can allow one make out what the conversation is about. However, this is only for the initial playthrough and English audio track. All scenes have full voicing for the Japanese audio track.''
-Only the statement that KHIIFM and REC were the last two games made for the PS2 is still there...}}
-{{17m|text= I took that out since it's basically the same as this paragraph:
-''Voice-acting on Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix was announced to be mostly in English, with Japanese subtitles, like Kingdom Hearts Final Mix, but the new scenes used Japanese voice-acting when viewed in Theater Mode and were voiceless in-game with Japanese subtitles. This is most likely due to the new scenes featuring Organization XIII members from Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, who did not yet have English voice actors.''
-But if I'm wrong then please undo my edit.}}
-{{TNE|time=05:19, 31 March 2011 (EDT)|text=I'll keep it as it is.}}
-==Question on trimming down the article==
-{{TNE|time=22:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)|text=I don't understand this, and I'd like for someone to clarify - why do we need to trim this down to only cover the package, when Final Mix had a separate bit of coverage (and added features) which we can't include into the actual Kingdom Hearts II article? I'm confused.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|There should be a separate article for the KHIIFM game itself. The way we do it now encourages the misconception that KHIIFM+ is the upgrade of KHII, and not the package.}}
-{{TNE|time=01:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)|remerciement=I see. Thanks! ^_^}}
-== it was recently released on the playstation 3 ==
-the article should therefore be changed to reflect that. it was release together with kingdom hearts birth by sleep final mix. i do not remember the exact date but i believe it was in december 2014. [[Special:Contributions/84.213.46.153|84.213.46.153]] 18:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
-: Well, no. Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ did not come out on the PS3. Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix (without the plus) was rereleased as part of the HD 2.5 Remix compilation, which is different.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 18:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)