Editing Talk:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix

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==Add to side menu==
Hey, I'm fairly new to this wiki, but shouldn't this game be added to Remakes and Other Titles?  I don't know how to do this, but I think someone should.[[User:RoxasNobody|RoxasNobody]] 02:42, September 20, 2010

Never mind, already done.--[[User:RoxasNobody|RoxasNobody]] 03:09, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Trailer ==
hi, I just found this video of the trailer, and i was wondering if I should post it on the page or leave it here in the talk page.

http://www.kh2.co.uk/kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/news/kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep-final-mix-trailer.php
[[User:BigHeadZack|BigHeadZack]] 21:25, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

== Editing ==

{{RN867|time=11:51|ven= umm i was going to add the kingdom hearts main series navigation template but then i noticed the page was locked so i was wondering if someone could do it for me?}}

{{Chihuahuaman|time=04:09, October 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=BbS FM is a remake, not a main game. But if the page is locked, it is better to keep it that way.}}

{{RN867|time=12:09am|ven=ya its just i noticed it on the other final mixes and thought i should add it to this one. its probably locked because of all the rumors going around about it.}}

== Game logo ==

<nowiki>{{Game|BFM}}</nowiki>
It's FMB, not BBSFM
I can't edit it, so here ya go.
[[User:Roxas pwns sora47|Roxas pwns sora47]] 04:09, November 4, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47

==[[Monstro]] in Mirage Arena confirmed!==
Here is a legit link that details that Monstro is a boss in the Mirage arena. http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/15/kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep-final-mix-has-a-whale-of-a-multiplayer-fight/
You fight Monstro from a beach, he can also swallow you, and you have to fight him from inside his stomach. Also, the article states that the player will be able to transform to an Unversed in the Mirage arena, using an ability called "illusion L". Here's the original source, http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/15034744.html, but it's in Japanese. So, if you cannot read Japanese, open the link in the google chrome internet browser and it will translate it into english. {{User:Lapidothtill/Sig}} 15:38, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

You do realize, of course, that info's already up on Monstro's page, right? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:14, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bahaha...now I feel like an idiot -_-...but thanks for pointing out my ignorance, what about the illusion L bit? {{User:Lapidothtill/Sig}} 16:20, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

{{MV|time=[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 20:52, November 1, 2010 (UTC)|text= BBSFM Japanese release date is January 20, 2011 http://www.khinsider.com/}}

{{Xemnas8|text=Why hasn't anyone added the release date on the page. Someone who has connections to an admin or something should ask them to add it. It isn't a rumour, it has been annouced}}

== Secret Episode ==

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|text=[[File:Vsymbol.png|15px]]I was reading one of Nomura's interviews (http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/157115-full-nomura-interview-18-11-10-a.html), and I noticed that he very obviously stated that there would be a "Secret Episode" in this game.  Isn't that worth mentioning in the article?}}

Well, if they get a "Secret Episode" I´ll be pissed off, but are we sure that Nomura said that and it wasn´t a mistraslation?--"Behold the endless Abyss!" -- Dark-EnigmaXIII 13:42, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

If you actually read the interview, there's a whole conversation on it, so I don't think it's a mistranslation. [[User:RoxasNobody|Roxas]][[User_talk:RoxasNobody|Nobody]]

Since people want a draft, how about this.  "Nomura recently announced that this game would have a "Secret Episode."  Unlike the secret movies of past games, players will be able to control the characters in this episode.  The criteria to unlock it is currently unknown."  You guys would have to add it wherever you see fit, as there's no good place right now.  --[[User:RoxasNobody|Roxas]][[User_talk:RoxasNobody|Nobody]]

Well, I see now... Sorry about my skepticism, RoxasNobody, didn´t mean to sound rude--"Behold the endless Abyss!" -- [[User:Dark-EnigmaXIII]] 22:49, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

== Come on already! ==

This page seriously needs to be updated! It's ridiculous that it's locked, and the ones who do have access to it, are not paying it any attention. For instance, TONS of new information has been released, including the release date, and the box art was revealed today. Someone who has access to edit this page should either hop to it, or unlock it. --[[User:Breaktheice16|Breaktheice16]] 03:18, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I second what Breaktheice16 has to say. It is entirely ridiculous how this page has been locked, true it has been locked due to speculation and etc. But still, at least let users edit. {{User:Erry/SigChristmas}} 04:28, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

{{Xemnas8|text=I don't get is why this is still locked with nearly a month until it comes out; when Re:coded was unlocked for Users two months before release, so '''SOMEONE UNLOCK THE PAGE!!!''' please.}}

Must be because BbS is more popular than Re:coded. And yeah, the mods should unlock the article for users. Or at least update the article. {{User:17master/Sign}}
:You guys do realize that when a page is protected, you're supposed to post your desired revisions to the talk page, right? Posting well-written text, properly cited, etc. To be honest, the protection was put up because only vandalism and no worthwhile edits were being put up - it doesn't make sense to deprotect it unless someone demonstrates that there are worthwhile edits to make.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 07:22, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I put up the release date AGES ago up above, and still it has not been edited to include the release date. {{User:Erry/SigChristmas}} 07:30, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

...I didn't know. But I've added the promotional artwork and someone just uploaded the boxart. Shouldn't those be added to the article? {{User:17master/Sign}}
:Kryten, there's a plethora of updated information above. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 07:03, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
::As has been stated several times: provide an actual draft. I don't know about the other admins, but I'm already running behind on several projects, and I can't peruse this page and compare it to the main article to find all the info to add.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 08:21, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
:::Exactly why you should unlock the page for only user-edits. And why should we provide a draft when we can add stuff and it can be easily reverted? It's not that hard to waste a few joules on clicking a button. {{User:Erry/SigChristmas}} 10:14, December 3, 2010 (UTC)~
::::At least you can tell another admin to add the infos, right? I mean, there's someone who even listed the new changes, and all they have to do is to find the right words and add the infos. {{User:17master/Sign}}
::Seriously, guys, this is how protections on pages are supposed to work. Can you guys humor me at least once on this?[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 14:58, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

{{Xemnas8|text=Another thing I don't get is that 3D isn't even annouced but anyone can edit it and there's been no vandalism, so why keep this page locked.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=22:13, December 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=Provide a draft of what you want to be added to the page. It's not an unreasonable request. If you do that, not only will the information be added, it will be organized. If you won't do that, why should you expect anyone else to?}}

I'm just not going to bother with this page again until it's been unlocked because you're not willing to co-operate with your community. {{User:Erry/SigChristmas}} 01:03, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

{{neumannz|time=02:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=IT IS NOT HARD TO SAY WHAT YOU WHAT TO SAY. Who's not cooperating? Just write down, simply, what you want to go in the flaming article, and watch the magic happen.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Okay, here's the thing:

When an edit war occurs because editors aren't talking to each other, the page is protected so that they ''have'' to talk to each other. The purpose of a page protection is ''not'' to shut down the article, which is what always seems to happen around here. Just once, just flipping once, can people try to work together instead of just demanding things? I'd really like it if we could just act professionally this once, and hopefully it will catch on.}}
{{Soxra|ienzo=Since no one else seems to want to work together on this, I took a little initiative and put up a draft page that you guys can contribute to. When we're confident that it has all the information we want to see on the new page, we can submit it to the admins and they can put it up at their discretion, and potentially unlock the article for our efforts.

So come on guys, let's work as a team. [[User:Soxra/Lab/Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep_Final_Mix]]}}
{{LA|Vtext=Sounds like a plan.}}
{{Soxra|ienzo=The [[User:Soxra/Lab/Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep_Final_Mix|draft page]] seems to be coming along quite well. We have a release date, new features, boxart & a promotional poster, and the article is worded and formatted well.

Does anyone else have anything to add or change before we submit it to replace the current article?|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 17:10, December 9, 2010 (UTC)}}

{{Asif|time=00:24, December 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=How about the trailer on the official website?}}

== Finally ==
{{Xemnas8|text= Finally this page is unlocked. Good job to whoever created it (forgive my ignorance). Now all we need is for it to be released so we can add more pages and info. Waiting 20th Jan 2011.}}
{{Soxra|Actually, [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Soxra/Lab/Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep_Final_Mix&action=history a lot of people] worked on it, and it was announced above for the public to make changes to, but very few people actually contributed.

Regardless, yes, the article is updated and unlocked, and will be the home of our info gathering mission until mid-January.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=5:06am, December 14, 2010 (UTC)}}}}

== Obsolete refs ==

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<ref name="Famitsu"/>
<ref name="Famitsu">[http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/15034744.html '''''Famitsu''': "In 'Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix', battle with a giant whale!"'' (Oct. 10, 2010)]</ref>
<ref name="Famitsu2">[http://www.famitsu.com/news/201011/27036272.html '''''Famitsu''': "Bonds which give birth to a new power, 'Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix'"'' (Nov. 27, 2010)]</ref>
</nowiki>

With the update of the main site, these refs are no longer needed for what they were doing. However, if you can find any more info in them, go ahead and use them.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:29, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

== Heartstation ==

{{Template:Asif|text=Heartstation just released a summary of an interview with Nomura stating details about BBSFM, including the story of the Secret Episode, and information on Armor of the Master and No Heart.  Should this be added to the page? The link can be found here: http://heartstation.org/archives/2555}}

{{Maggosh|nathan=Unfortunately, no. It has to be sourced from the interview itself, not fan translations.}}

== End of the World in Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep Final Mix ==
{{Organization 13|text=http://www.khdestiny.fr/img/img.php?img=Autres/news/120111-bbsfm-episode-secret-image.jpg}}

{{Chitalian8|time=14:27, January 12, 2011 (UTC)|cecil= It looks more like the World of Chaos to me.}}
{{KrytenKoro|It's neither. It's the Realm of Darkness, it's just that she gets to actually fight Pureblood Heartless in it.}}

==Secret Ending==
?????:--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 11:52, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: THIS VIDEO REMOVED. AGAIN, WE WILL NOT BE EXPLOITING THEFT.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:46, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Theft? The game is/was released today isn't it?--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 13:56, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, but that's the KH13 copy that was ripped from a stolen game, as I understand it. SE has having those videos taken down since they started popping up, so they should not be encouraged.
:There should be some legitimate videos popping up soon.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:10, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 15:56, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

== Gameicons on Game pages ==

{{LA|Vtext=I think the BBS FM gameicon in the corner of this page, and the other game articles with respective gameicons, are redundant. Is this for categorization, or something? Because it's a little obvious that "Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix" is a part of the game "Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix". I figured that the game gameicons were to be used in articles that are within the sphere of the game, excluding the game article itself.}}
:Either way makes sense to me. No, there is no categorization going on, because the gameicons are used with such lax standards already.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:26, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

== Secret Episode/Zero Point/Fragmenty Passage Annoyance ==

I'm really annoyed that so many people who haven't looked up the Secret Episode think that Zero Point is in fact a different game completely. I mean...if you go to Tvtropes they even have a page set up for it claiming that it is the second prequal to the original KH. Evnyofdeath 19:24, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

== CAPES ==

{{TobiasDeegan
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|text=Frame rate issues kept the capes from being in BBS and BBSFM... maybe we'll see them in 2.5 since the PS3 can handle it? That would be nice to see.
}}
{{KrytenKoro|They didn't even update the ending scenes and special videos for HD1, so I doubt we're going to get anything beyond a few new abilities.}}

== Illusion ==

The word "Illusion" links to the page on the synthesis material, not to the set of commands that the article is actually talking about. However, there is no single page for those commands: there is a page for each individual Illusion command, and there is a disambiguation page that links to various things named "Illusion" (including, but not limited to, the relevant commands). Should the link be changed to point to the disambiguation page? Should we just list out each individual Illusion command on this page? [[Special:Contributions/153.33.74.21|153.33.74.21]] 23:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)