Editing Talk:Kingdom Hearts (series)/Timeline

{{NinjaSheik|angry=Okay, who did this!?! I want a answer, now!}}
{{MM841|22:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)|Em, it says in the recent changes and in the articles history, did you not know that? Anyway, point fingers at [[User:Vonfrank|Vonfrank]].}}


{{OotL|text= Are you okay NinjaShiek? O_o;}}

this is from what i understand to be the correct timeline

the main reason i posted it was so that it can be improved bit by bit to be more accurate

{{XNX|text=Oh, good, there is already a dicussion. The grammar is bad, a lot of the events aren't in order. I don't think this page is necessary at all.}}


{{OotL|text= Agreed mainly for the fact that this article while not as a whole is distributed among other articles. By clicking on the appropriate game you can get a full summary and by looking up Kingdom Hearts (series) you can find a timeline of the games.}}

remove it if you want, i dont mind...

i just thought it would be nice to have a timeline of events on this site all in one place

Well, I'm doing my part to clean up this mess. I'll see if I can rewrite some parts so it doesn't get repetitive and incorrectly written. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 18:37 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't 358/2 days' event happen BEFORE CoM? - [[User:Sencilia|Sencilia]] 09:58, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
::Per the argument I've put forth at [[Heartless]], I don't believe the Ansem Reports can be taken as absolute truth. Both writers have known reputations for dishonesty. To an extent, a similar matter goes with Jiminy's Journal, as there is ample evidence within the journal that he is explaining the information he has, and that it may not be right. (See the changing articles on Riku/Ansem in KH2 for an example) I would suggest that if we cover any "Pre-game" stuff here, that it is either straight from Nomura or from cutscenes, and that anything that we have to take on a character's say-so is explicitly explained to be unconfirmed.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

== Separation by Game Really Necessary? ==

I know that I, for one, came to this page just so I could get a clear idea of how the games all merge together. I mean, I wanted to see what the story itself was, not the individual story of each game. It's a bit confusing, isn't it? It was pretty straightforward until 358/2 Days, which threw the article's order out of whack.

So I suggest that, instead of separating by games, separate events by ''when they occurred.''

That would fix any problems with 358/2 Days technically occurring before and during KH1 and Chain of Memories, right? And it would provide a clear transition between events taking place within the context of different games.

[[User:SavageLarxene011|SavageLarxene011]] 21:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. This page should also have specific day numbers for the events of Days, CoM, and KHII, and should be more detailed time wise in the pre-game (we know that Maleficent took the world of Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH1).[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

{{TalkSephiroth0812|text= Actually, separating the events by game is obviously pointless if we really want to do a time''line''. In a timeline events have to be ordered chronologically, not by game. As there are flashback-scenes in several games and stuff like this I would rather suggest to invent a reasonable 'calendar'-system, on which the events can be lined up. Maybe on the same ground as the BBY/ABY-System which is used for the Star Wars-Timeline? In there, events are depicted when they occured, and the main source where the event was shown in is depicted at the end.
So, for KH, we would need to pinpoint first the ''shown'' event which is the furthest down in the past, as far as I know that would either be Eraqus and Master Xehanort discussing the Keyblade War or when MX forced Ventus against the neoshadows, or have we an actual ''shown'' event before it? After that we'd need the most recent event, which is most likely the scene with Sora on the papou tree holding Mickey's letter and deciding to go out rescuing the others. 
Between these two ''anchor-points'' we would need to fill in all occured Events in chronological order.}}

== Draft ==

The form of the info on the article was just too riddled with errors to have it up in mainspace. It's too much harm for too little gain. It has been moved here, and it needs to be organized and researched, with times, citations, and [[Template:Storylink]] tags.

I would suggest we start with the events of KH1 (using the script and scenes as a reference), and then leave the pre-game type stuff for last - anything which we don't actually see should be amassed as notes from the Ansem Reports, Secret Reports, Jiminy Memo, and any script-claims and then put together.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:50, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

;Rules
#Absolutely no events listed that are not specifically mentioned or observed as happening at that point. For example, we have no way of knowing yet that Maleficent wasn't always allied with Oogie Boogie and them, so don't say "At this point, Maleficent allies with the others." If you are not sure in what order it happened, only speak of it as something like "Maleficent meets with the members of her alliance, ''which she has so far gathered''. Any complications arising from this should be ironed out on the talk page before adding those notes to the main article.
#Anything that is not directly observed within the course of the games needs to have a citation to a character's script, and needs to say "According to x" at the beginning of the note.
#Don't organize by game. Organize chronologically, though you can have little notes saying "The plot of ''Kingdom Hearts II'' begins here" or something.
#Any observed events should use the storylink template.
#Any flashbacks should be in their correct area, but should still use the storylink template indicating in which game they were first observed.
#Absolutely no un-canon info, such as Vcast, the manga(*), or the secret movies. (* Depending on discussion, it is possible we may insert manga-only events once the first draft of this is done)
#Where possible, dates should be specified. We can pinpoint virtually any event between Sora using the KoPH and awakening in Twilight Town, and we also know general dates for the pre-game section.


===Current form===

==''[[Kingdom Hearts (series)|Kingdom Hearts]]'' Timeline==
;''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep''

*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, a young man is found in the Radiant Garden. He has no recollection of anything and calls himself Xehanort.
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Ansem the Wise adopts Xehanort as his apprentice. Xehanort trains alongside Ansem and his 5 other apprentices (Braig, Dilan, Even, Aeleus, and Ienzo).
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Ansem begins his research of the heart. He quickly abandons it when he feels the risk is too great. 
* King Mickey learns of the creation of the Heartless and begins an investigation of why worlds are falling to them.
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort decides to continue the research despite Ansem's orders. 
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort and the apprentices, overtaken by the power of darkness, quickly overthrow Ansem and send him to the Realm of Nothingness.
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort takes Ansem's name as his own and his research leads to the creation of the Heartless. This, in turn, destroys Radiant Garden, and the world becomes the ravaged land known as Hollow Bastion
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Xehanort and the apprentices lose their hearts to darkness, forming Xehanort's Heartless and 6 powerful Nobodies.
*According to the Secret Ansem Reports, Organization XIII is created and new members are inducted one by one.
*According to Leon, Maleficent learns of the Heartless and Kingdom Hearts and joins Xehanort's Heartless in the attempts to open it.

;Start of ''Kingdom Hearts''

* King Mickey sends a note to his trusted soldiers Donald and Goofy telling them to go and find the chosen Keyblade master.
* The world door to Destiny Islands is opened and the world is attacked by the Heartless.
* Sora from Destiny Islands is chosen by the Keyblade when his world is attacked.
* Sora's friend Kairi loses her heart, which enters Sora's body, when the world is plunged into darkness. 
* Sora's friend Riku opens his heart to darkness and escapes the doomed world before it is destroyed.
* Riku appears in Hollow Bastion due to his use of a Corridor of Darkness. He encounters Maleficent, who convinces him to help search for the Princesses of Heart.
* Sora escapes Destiny Islands through a Corridor of Darkness and he appears in Traverse Town.
* Donald and Goofy arrive in Traverse town seeking the Keyblade master.
* Sora, Donald and Goofy meet up with each other and set out on their quest to find King Mickey, Riku and Kairi.
* Sora, Donald and Goofy begin to travel to numerous worlds to seal them so that they will be safe from the Heartless.
* Xemnas hears rumors that the Keyblade Master has been chosen and devises a plan that would allow the members of the Organization to regain their hearts and become whole again. 
* Kairi's body is found and protected by Riku, but her heart is still missing and she remains in a catatonic state.
* Sora, Donald and Goofy eventually come to the world of Neverland where they encounters Riku and Kairi.
* Riku informs Sora that he is now has control of the Heartless and that Kairi has lost her heart. 
* Riku takes Kairi to Hollow Bastion by using a Corridor of Darkness. However, this is done recklessly, and his heart begins to strain.
* Sora, Donald and Goofy make it to Hollow Bastion.
* Riku takes control of the Keyblade from Sora because the Darkness is making his heart the stronger.
* Sora regains control of the Keyblade and defeats Riku.
* Riku flees and allows Xehanort's Heartless to take control of him so that he will become more powerful.
* Using the 6 hearts collected from the princesses, Riku, under Xehanort's influence, creates the Keyblade of People's Hearts.
* Maleficent and the possessed Riku discover that they need to defeat Sora in order for their plan to come to fruition.
* Sora defeats Maleficent in the castle chapel. Severely weakened, Maleficent flees with Sora in pursuit.
* Riku uses the Keyblade of People's Hearts to unlock the darkness in Maleficent's heart. This turns her into a massive dragon, and she attacks Sora and company.
* Maleficent is defeated and disintegrates into darkness.
* Riku, now called Ansem, informs Sora of Kairi's Princess status and Sora finds out that Kairi's heart rests inside him.
* In an attempt to release the hearts, the possessed Riku fights Sora but is defeated and disappears.
* Sora takes the Keyblade "Ansem" left behind and impales himself to allow Kairi to wake up. The Princesses have their hearts returned to them, Kairi awakens, and Sora disappears into darkness.
* This action turns Sora into a Shadow Heartless and creates the Nobodies Roxas and Naminé.
* Sora's Nobody, Roxas, appears in Twilight Town and is found by Xemnas. Discovering that Roxas is the Nobody of Sora, Xemnas inducts him into the Organization.
*Due to Sora and Kairi's strong hearts, Kairi restores Sora back to normal after he became a Heartless, and Sora, Donald, Goofy and Kairi leave Hollow Bastion and head back to Traverse Town.
*Xehanort's Heartless completely takes over Riku's body and Riku is forced into the Realm of Darkness.
*In a final effort to defeat Xehanort's Heartless and close the pathway to Kingdom Hearts, Sora, Donald and Goofy go to the Heartless world called End of the World.
*Sora, Donald and Goofy defeat Xehanort's Heartless in battle but before he dies he opens Kingdom Hearts.
*Sora, Donald and Goofy close Kingdom Hearts with the help of Riku and King Mickey who are inside it.
*Kingdom Hearts is closed and the pathway to it is sealed.
*All of the Worlds taken by the Heartless are restored and Kairi is returned to Destiny Islands.

;Beginning of ''Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories''

*Xemnas approves the plan and sends Vexen (No. 4), Lexaeus (No. 5), Zexion (No. 6), Axel (No. 8) , Marluxia (No. 11), and Larxene (No. 12) to Castle Oblivion where Naminé is ordered to begin rearranging Sora's memories.
*Sora, Donald and Goofy continue along a path until they come across Castle Oblivion.
*The rearranging of Sora, Donald and Goofy's memories commences and they begin to forget things they have known before and Sora begins to remember false events about Naminé in place of Kairi.
* Sora, Donald and Goofy are informed by Marluxia that they must make their way to the top of the castle to reclaim all of their memories.
*Marluxia and Larxene inform Axel of their attempt to take over Organization XIII using Sora as their puppet.
*Riku is brought out of the realm of darkness and to Castle Oblivion by DiZ disguising himself as Xehanort's Heartless
*Riku encounters Vexen who samples Riku's memories and tells him that he must work his way up from the castle's basement in order to escape.
* Sora, Donald and Goofy make their way up the castle fighting and defeating Vexen along the way.
*Zexion, Lexaeus, and Vexen create a Riku Replica to help them find out why Marluxia and Larxene are attempting to overthrow Organization XIII.
*Axel rejects Marluxia and Larxene's proposal to take over Organization XIII and he releases Naminé to go to Sora.
*Sora fights the Riku Replica and is defeated but rescued by Naminé who smashes the replica's heart.
*Sora fights and defeats Larxene.
*Naminé tells Sora, Donald, and Goofy all about what she was forced to do to his memories. She informs them that she can restore their original memories if they defeat Marluxia and make it to the 13th floor.
*Riku continues up from the basement and defeats Lexaeus along the way.
*King Mickey is brought out of the Realm of Darkness by DiZ (Ansem) and is taken to Castle Oblivion to help Riku.
*Axel escapes after a battle with Sora and eventually comes across the Riku Replica.
*Sora defeats Marluxia in battle. Naminé takes Sora, Donald, and Goofy to a room containing memory pods where she puts them to sleep so that their memories can be repaired.
*Riku and the King continue up through Castle Oblivion until they reach Zexion, the only remaining member of Organization XIII in the castle.
*Riku defeats Zexion by using the dark powers still in him from Xehanort's Heartless.
*Zexion manages to escape and encounters Axel and the Riku Replica. Axel convinces the replica to kill Zexion, making Axel the Organization member still standing in Castle Oblivion.
*DiZ reveals himself to Riku and explains how he and Naminé are trying to help him.
*Riku chooses to fight Xehanort's Heartless and finally defeat him so that Riku can rid himself of the darkness in his heart.
*Riku defeats Xehanort's Heartless in battle.
*Naminé and DiZ take Riku and the King to see Sora sleeping in the pod in which his memories are being repaired.
*DiZ disguises Riku and the King in Organization XIII coats and sends them out to ensure no one interferes with the reconstruction of Sora's memories.

;''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''
*[[Organization XIII]] continue their efforts to regain their hearts by collecting the hearts of defeated Heartless.
*Ansem begins to work on a way to stop Xemnas from carrying out his plan.
*Roxas becomes friends with Axel, the 8th member of the Organization.
*Realizing that [[Sora]] may not be strong enough to defeat enough [[Heartless]], [[Xemnas]] creates [[Xion]], a replica made from Sora's memories that was intended to fight and kill Heartless if Sora died.
*The Xion experiment was a failure and the replica instead partially resembled Kairi since Sora's memories towards her were the strongest.
*Xemnas inducts Xion into Organization XIII.
*Xion becomes good friends with [[Roxas]] and [[Axel]].
*Roxas, Axel and Xion go on various missions for Organization XIII.
*While Roxas and Xion are on a mission for Organization XIII, Roxas falls into a coma due to Sora being put to sleep by Naminé.
*Axel takes care of Roxas while he is in a coma and Xion begins to go on missions by herself.
*[[Riku]] and Xion encounter each other in [[Beast's Castle]] and they fight.
*Riku is the victor but he is surprised to find out that Xion can wield the Keyblade and Riku leaves her alive as he is uncertain about what to do with her.
*As more of Sora's memories are reconstructed Xion begins to have strange dreams that involve Sora's past experiences.
*Roxas wakes up from his coma, he Axel and Xion reunite and continue missions for Organization XIII.
*Xion begins to go insane through having obsessive thoughts about wanting to be “Something” instead of just an imperfect replica.
*Xion runs away from [[Organization XIII]] and Roxas and Axel are ordered to find her and bring her back.
*King Mickey meets with Riku in the [[Twilight Town]] Forest and discusses with him what to do about Sora, Xion, and Roxas.
*Xion goes to [[Twilight Town]] on Riku's advice and meets Naminé, who explains her origins to her.
*Xion begins to take on the appearance of Sora due to his memories nearing completion.
*Roxas finds Xion who now looks completely like [[Sora]].
*Xion tells Roxas that the only way she can be a real person is by absorbing Roxas to trick him into fighting her so that she can save him from the Organization.
*[[Xion]] fights Roxas and is defeated, as per her plan to save him, but dies in Roxas’s arms and merges with him and Sora.
*As a result of Xion and Roxas merging, Sora's memory reconstruction is stopped and cannot be completed.
*[[DiZ]] and Naminé send [[Riku]] out to capture Roxas so that the memories Xion left in [[Roxas]] can be transferred to Sora to complete the process.
*Roxas travels through the Dark City to defeat [[Xemnas]] and free Kingdom Hearts to fulfill Xion's final wish, but is waylaid by several Neoshadows.
*Roxas fights the Neoshadows at Memory's Skyscraper and is almost overcome. Riku watches from above and takes the Keyblade Roxas offers him to fight the Heartless as well.
*Xion reaches out to Riku when Roxas passes him the Keyblade and Riku regains all of his memories of her in an instant, causing some shock and confusion.
*Riku and Roxas defeat the Heartless and then turn on each other with Roxas winning. Riku calls him Sora and tells him he thought he could do better, to which Roxas replies in a Sora-like fashion, feeling his connection to Sora.
*Roxas becomes enraged at Riku's mention of Sora and strikes him down. Riku tries to tell Roxas that his attempt to stop Xemnas would only lead to his destruction but Roxas refuses to listen.
*Xion calls out to Riku from within Roxas and begs him to stop Roxas's attempt to fight Xemnas. Riku removes his blindfold and assumes the form of [[Xehanort's Heartless]] using the Guardian to knock Roxas unconcious.
*As a result, Riku ends up resembling Xehanort's Heartless and possesses all of his powers.
* DiZ comes to Memory's Skyscraper and meets with Riku, who hides his face and now goes by the name Ansem. The take Roxas to DiZ's lab in Twilight Town.
*Naminé masks Roxas’s true memories from him.
*DiZ creates a data-based recreation of [[Twilight Town]] and places [[Roxas]] inside it.

; Beginning of ''Kingdom Hearts II''

*Roxas begins to live in the fake Twilight Town as a simple school boy on summer vacation but he experiences constant flashbacks and dreams about the experiences from Sora's past.
*Working for DiZ, Riku steals some pictures of Roxas and his friends.
*Naminé continues to reconstruct Sora's memories taking them out of Roxas bit by bit.
*Axel attempts to remind Roxas of who he is and about his past in Organization XIII but DiZ convinces Roxas to ignore him.
*Roxas goes to the mansion where Naminé and DiZ are now complete with their reconstruction of Sora's memories
*Axel makes a final attempt to return Roxas to Organization XIII but Roxas defeats Axel and continues through the mansion
*Roxas makes it to the room where Sora is sleeping and DiZ reveals how Roxas will now have to be absorbed into Sora to allow Sora to waken.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy wake up but have no memories of anything after the defeat of Xehanort's Heartless.
*King Mickey meets up with Sora, Donald, and Goofy while leaving Twilight Town and directs them to Master Yen Sid's tower.
*Master Yen Sid informs Sora, Donald, and Goofy about Nobodies and Organization XIII and then gives them back the Gummi Ship and tells how they can unlock routes to the worlds with the Keyblade.
*Maleficent is revived because she had used the last bit of her powers to bring herself back.
*Axel travels to Destiny Islands and attempts to kidnap Kairi but she instead travels through a portal opened by King Mickey which brings Kairi to Twilight Town
*Kairi spends time with Hayner, Pence and Olette until Axel finds her again and takes her against her will to the World that never Was.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy travel to Twilight Town to get Kairi only to find out that Axel has already taken her away. They also meet Saïx, who informs them that Axel isn't following orders from the Organization anymore.
*After visiting several worlds, Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Hollow Bastion where they finally meet King Mickey who explains all about Ansem the Wise, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless, and Xemnas.
*Maleficent sends thousands of Heartless to invade Hollow Bastion and Organization XIII sends Nobodies to counter them.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy encounter and defeat Demyx, the 9th member of Organization XIII.
*The Heartless realize that Maleficent is no longer the strongest side in the fight and they join forces with Organization XIII and the other Nobodies.
*Axel decides that Organization XIII has become corrupt and he decides to help Sora and go against the Organization's will.
*Riku, disguised as a member of Organization XIII, gives Sora, Donald, and Goofy a picture showing Roxas in it and Sora recognizes him.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Beasts Castle and defeat Xaldin, the 3rd member of Organization XIII.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Hollow Bastion where they encounter Sephiroth.
*Sora fights an intense battle with Sephiroth and defeats him leading Sephiroth to confront Cloud and the two leave to fight each other.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy return to Twilight Town in an attempt to find out about who Roxas is and why he appeared with Hayner, Pence, and Olette in a picture.
*Sora, Donald, Goofy and King Mickey use the computer in Diz and Naminé's mansion to gain access to the fake Twilight Town.
*Axel sacrifices his life to help Sora Donald Goofy and King Mickey to gain access to The World that Never Was.
*Xemnas nears the completion of his goal as Kingdom Hearts almost has enough hearts. collected from dead heartless to allow the remaining Organization XIII members to use its power.
*Ansem the Wise arrives in The World that Never Was and begins to make his way up through the Organization XIII Castle.
*Sora reaches the Memory’s Skyscraper in the World that Never Was and he has a vision involving Roxas, who battles Sora and leaves satisfied.
*Sora, Donald, Goofy and King Mickey enter the Organization XIII Castle.
*Naminé breaks Kairi out of her cell in the Organization XIII Castle but they are stopped by Saïx, the 7th member of Organization XIII.
*Riku, still with the appearance of Xehanort's Heartless, rescues Naminé and Kairi from Saïx. Kairi and Riku then go to find Sora.
*King Mickey goes off in a different direction in the castle and meets Ansem the Wise who begins to use a device to encode Xemnas' Kingdom Hearts.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy are stopped by the 2nd Member of Organization XIII, Xigbar, but they fight and defeat him.
*Sora, Donald, and Goofy meet up with Riku and Kairi and the five of them continue up through the castle.
*Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and Kairi encounter Luxord, the 10th member of Organization XIII, and Sora defeats him in battle.
*Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and Kairi are stopped by Saïx, the last member other than Xemnas, and they defeat him.
*Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and Kairi meet up with Ansem the wise and King Mickey who are still trying to encode Kingdom Hearts.
*The collecting machine explodes killing Ansem, severely damaging Kingdom Hearts and releasing all of the collected hearts into the castle where they reform into millions of Heartless.
*The release of hearts returns Riku to his original appearance and Xehanort's Heartless is destroyed forever.
*Maleficent and Pete arrive at the castle and hold off the Heartless while Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, Kairi, and King Mickey continue up to Xemnas.
*Xemnas’s plans are ruined and he fights Sora but is defeated and disappears.
*The door to Kingdom Hearts appears and Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Riku enter and fight Xemnas and he seems to have been defeated.
*Naminé opens a portal to Destiny Islands for everyone to leave through and Sora and Kairi meet and merge with their Nobody equivalents, Roxas and Naminé.
*The portal closes before Sora and Riku leave and they are forced to fight Xemnas again.
*Sora and Riku defeat Xemnas for good and they are stranded in the Realm of Darkness after the battle.
*The Door to Light opens for Sora and Riku and they enter it and arrive at Destiny Islands.
*King Mickey returns to Disney Castle and sends Sora, Riku, and Kairi a message in a bottle.

;''Kingdom Hearts coded''
*The King and Jimminy discuss about the mysterious message left on the Journal, "''The hurt will be mended when you return to end it''".
*The King decides to send a data version of Sora inside the coded Journal.
*After several data worlds, Data-Sora encounters Maleficent and Pete on data version of Agrabah, Maleficent destroys Data-Sora's Keyblade.
*Data-Sora receives a new Keyblade.
*Data-Sora is forced to fight a bugged Data-Riku. After Data-Riku's defeat, he ventures to Data-Riku's data through a Keyhole.
*Data-Sora encounters the source of the bug corruptions Inside Riku, Sora's Heartless.
*Data-Sora lost his memory after the battle.
*Data-Sora ventures to data Castle Oblivion after being told to by The King. He encounters a hooded figure there.
*Data-Sora learns how to accept the hurt, and defeated the hooded figure which later revealed to be Data-Roxas.
*Data-Sora and The King met Data-Naminé, which reveals the secret to the mysterious message; the real Sora's destiny to save Terra, Ventus, Aqua, Axel, Roxas, Xion, and the real Naminé. She later dissapears as her purpose of existence is fulfilled.
*The King returns to the real world and writes the message from the end of ''Kingdom Hearts II''; telling Sora of what he has learned in the data world.
*After he sent the letter, The King meets up with Yen Sid to discuss the return of Xehanort. Yen Sid later decides that he should held the Mark of Mastery exam for Sora and Riku, and tells Mickey to inform the two of them. 

; Kingdom Hearts 3D
''The plot of this game is not fully known, and so this information is subject to change.''
[[Category:Kingdom Hearts]]

== why is this here... ==

{{Ssbbfan|time=20:02, December 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=Why is the timeline in the discussion page instead of the article?}}

== Add this? ==

{{LA|time={{{time}}}|hooded=so... is there a reason we haven't added the timeline to the <i>article</i> yet? I mean, if we just leave it here to gather dust, there's really no point in having the article in the first place.}}
{{KrytenKoro|What was on the article previously was absolutely full of factual inaccuracies and organizational errors. That's why the article is stubbed, and I tried to organize something above. However, I can't work on it alone, so if you would like to help, that would be wonderful - but the article needs to be built from the ground up, using sources all the way.}}

==Days==
Days, at least, is perfectly made for a timeline. Why don't we start by adding the days and events, and we can build the article around that.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:58, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

== A few things... ==

{{Randomnessity|time=00:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=I don't know if this was in anyone's thoughts but... Why is there a few timelines about Sephiroth when there are important things that could go along with it such as Tron and the MCP, to name one. They're just as important to the story as Sephiroth is if not more. This is just my opinion though.}}

== Days in Days ==

{{LOMI|Ghost=Should we create an entry for each day, or just one for the major events?}}
:Every day with any storyline on it. Missions with story especially. If stuff needs to be trimmed after that, then we can deal with it then.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:07, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

{{LOMI|Burn=OK, hopefully I'll get a rough detailing of each day and the missions it includes up on here soon. Then we can work on having the other game timelines correspond with those dates, and I suppose Roxas/Namine's birth might have to serve as our Zero Date}}

Because the CoM events happen while Roxas is sleeping, maybe it's possible to squeeze the [http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/khiifm-ultimania-timeline-for-com CoM-Timeline] in there too. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 23:43, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Out of sheer boredom, i actually did construct a timeline lining up the events of 358 days, and COM rikus and soras stories, it details events that only MUST have occured in chronological order. i can post it if anyone would like. it basically lines everything up the way birth by sleep does it, that is, by character and by time it occurs, so basically its a little easier to eyeball, and it follows all the criteria in the above list. [[User:yoshiyuki17|yoshiyuki17]] 11/17/10
:Yes, I think we all would like to see this. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 22:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

==Update?==
{{Uxie|time=05:09, 19 July 2011 (EDT)|zoe=The list above us looks good. All we need to do is correct the spelling, update the list to enclude BbS's main plot, and maybe put in pre- stuff, such as the begining of the worlds (remember that fairytale [[Kairi's Grandma|Grandma]] told Kairi?). I have plenty of knowledge of the main plot, so maybe I can help create this list...}}
{{KrytenKoro|We need to do a lot more than that. For example, we need to add the day number to all of the Days plot, as well as any of the plot it overlaps (CoM and KHII). We need to get dates on this thing.}}
Shard has the  days ultimania, which details the calendar of the days, including the overlap.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 11:00, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

{{Uxie|time=05:13, 20 July 2011 (EDT)|text=Yeah, an Ultimania is really needed, but I don't have and KH Ultimanias. I'm able to give out lots of info for KHII and BbS, however.

Let's see: not many Disney worlds have major cannon in the plot (other than Agrabah, Never Land, Beast's Castle, Space Paranoids and, [[Terra|in some ways]], [[Enchanted Dominion]].) All of the Original worlds have a major plot in the storyline. Maybe we should make a draft somewhere?}}
{{KrytenKoro|Olympus Coliseum is the only one with a major Cannon. The rest of the cannons are all quite small.}}
Stop that.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 12:37, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
:''fine''....hmpph.
:All plots in all worlds, using the FM versions as the final canonicity, should be covered, though we might need to compress some of the sidequests with something like "Sora revisits the worlds, preparing for his final battle," -- stuff like Kurt Zisa and the Hades Cup are canon to the storyline, but are pretty much undateable with any kind of precision.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 14:13, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

{{Uxie|time=14:26, 20 July 2011 (EDT)|zoe=You are right, but I would no longer include Deep Jungle, since it's no longer part of the series, and is considered non-cannon in the overal plot.

Cannon for each Disney World (Ranks are: C for minor/no cannon, B for neutral cannon, A for serious cannon, and S for major cannon):

*KH1
**Wonderland - B
**Olympus Coliseum - C
**<s>Deep Jungle</s> - <s>C</s>
**Agrabah - B
**Monstro - C
**Atlantica - C
**Halloween Town - C
**Never Land - A
**100 Acre Wood - C

*KHII
**Land of Dragons - B
**Beast's Castle - A
**Olympus Coliseum - B
**Disney Castle - B
**Timeless River - B
**Port Royal - B
**Agrabah - C
**Halloween Town - C
**Pride Lands - C
**Space Paranoids - A
**100 Acre Wood - C

*BbS
**Enchanted Dominion - A
**Castle of Dreams - C
**Dwarf Woodlands - C
**Disney Town - B
**Olympus Coliseum - C
**Deep Space - C
**Never Land - A

Correct me if I'm wrong. I marked Enchanted Dominion as "A" because of what Terra was forced to do to Aurora that would haunt him for the rest of the game. Space Paranoids is also marked as "A" due to it's part with the [[Battle of the 1000 Heartless]], but would be a "B" ranked world otherwise. All non-Disney worlds are ranked "S". Please note that I only did the worlds in the games I have (and play).}}

===Deep Jungle Argument: Cannon or Not?===
'''CANON. NOT CANNON.''' Please stop giving Kryten fodder.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 14:34, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry. I'm just trying to help finish a page. No need to be a wuss. [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 15:09, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
::Deep Jungle is not at all non-canon, and ranking the worlds by "general impact" really doesn't matter. Everything needs to be on the timeline.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 15:19, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
:It was withdrawn from the cannon following the pulling of the Tarzan franchice prior to 2004. It's not even in the Manga, and some of us agree it's no longer cannon. If we are going to argue on this, let's put it in a seperet forum. [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 15:25, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

{{neumannz|time=17:07, 20 July 2011 (EDT)|text=Nothing was withdrawn from '''''canon'''''. It just can't be used anymore. And why wouldn't a full level/world be significant enough to be included in a timeline?

Nearly everything can be put into some order, although only the events of/surrounding KHD can be put in terms of units of time. The most difficult one to account for, aside from the optional missions/minigames, is KH2, which has a less linear progression of worlds than KH.

Also, that's not what "wuss" means.}}
:(Deep Jungle was never a [[Jumbo Cannon|cannon]]...){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:33, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
::Kryten, maybe we better take this seriously. No time for jokes.

::It was (and will be) only cannon to the first game's story (yes, it's cannon for KH1, but only for KH1), but not the overal cannon. When Jafar mentioned that Sora found a Keyhole in one of the dreams Roxas experianced, the shown Keyhole was in Agrabah. But the only way for Deep Jungle to return is for Disney to pay at least £100 Billion (estimated). (I'm suprised they even let that world's Keyblade be in RE:Coded without a lawsuit happening...) [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 02:17, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

Omitting a cutscene is not the same thing as retconning. Otherwise they would have chose a world about as early as Deep Jungle was. Unless there is an obvious indication that the events at Deep Jungle never happened, it remains canon.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:10, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
:Uxie:
#I'll stop picking on it once you take the hint and learn how to spell the word.
#Canonicity has nothing to do with "license to have the setting reappear in future works".
#The EWB estate owns the title, the characters specifically from the original work, and probably any setting overtly based on Tarzan. The Jungle King is a completely original thing that SE made, and EWB has no claim on it. It's ludicrous to claim that they could have been sued "£100 Billion" for putting it in Re:coded.
#As I understand it, SE would still be perfectly able to reference that Sora went to "Deep Jungle", and use broad strokes to summarize what happened there. They just can't depict the actual scenes (as they would be based on copyrighted work) or use EWB-Tarzan-based names. So, there's nothing forbidding it from ever being mentioned again.
#All quests and sidequests remain canon until explicitly said by SE to be otherwise. Even the Mirage Arena battles are canon -- Nomura's misinterpreted line actually means that he designed the two Master bosses as Replica Data in order to avoid them causing a plot hole. Every time someone says "this obviously isn't canon, it's a side quest", later games prove them wrong, so how about we stay with the reliable view of "if it's published in the games, it's canon until proven otherwise"?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 11:00, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
::I understand. I still think that Deep Jungle is no longer '''canon''' (there; I've spelled it correctly). I just wish we can send e-mails to gather infomation on the canon for everything.

::I also wish there '''was''' a way to get that world back. I'd pay about between £20 million - £40 million just to let us mention that world if I owned Disney, y'know. [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 11:10, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

:::EDIT: Dammit, I did it again! [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 11:13, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

==Questions==
First off, why is this page still incomplete?

Secondly, do we write a gist of the story in point form, do we write a short paragraph for each story, or what? Until and unless I know how this page is going to be structured, this page is going to remain under construction for the rest of the year. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 11:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:Either way, we better get this list done soon. There is an example of a timeline list on Bulbapedia for both the games and it's anime. Wikipedia's got many timeline lists that might give us ideas for our own.

:Kryten also said earlier that we must put everything that happened on it, since even the Mirage Arenas and Deep Jungle are '''canon''' (I've spelt it correctly again) at this point (though I still doubt that for the latter). [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 11:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
I would agree with Kryten for Deep Jungle — as much as it didn't appear in the rest of the series, the hints in that world are integral to the rest of the story of KH1: Hollow Bastion (the castle), the process of becoming a Heartless (Clayton lost his heart, ASOD discarded his body according to the Ansem Reports), the definition of friends, the second of three tensions between Sora, Donald and Goofy. It's only fitting that after this split comes the major split in Hollow Bastion. If it weren't canon, it'd have the same effect as, say, the Kingdom Hearts manga whereby Vexen creates several dozen replicas of himself, and they kill another OXIII member — that doesn't even happen in-game.

Bulbapedia might help, yes. Please link me to the best of them, and I'll try and see if we can come up with something similar. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 12:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:Of course. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world Here's the games'] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Timeline_of_events_in_the_anime here's the anime's]. (Please note that the movies in the anime, along with some episdoes, try to make Ash Ketchum and his Pikachu sound as legendary and needed as some of the protagonists in our series). [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|<font color="red">1994</font>]] 12:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Following the game timeline. Gonna see if we can come up with something similar. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 16:03, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

==Official Material considering the timeline==
Let's collect it here:
*[[:File:Trinity_Timeline.png|KH BbS]]
*[http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/khiifm-ultimania-timeline-for-com/ KHCOM]
*[http://heartstation.org/archives/2249 KH Days]
--[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 15:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
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 {{OotL|text= Are you okay NinjaShiek? O_o;}}
 this is from what i understand to be the correct timeline
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 Doesn't 358/2 days' event happen BEFORE CoM? - [[User:Sencilia|Sencilia]] 09:58, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 ::Per the argument I've put forth at [[Heartless]], I don't believe the Ansem Reports can be taken as absolute truth. Both writers have known reputations for dishonesty. To an extent, a similar matter goes with Jiminy's Journal, as there is ample evidence within the journal that he is explaining the information he has, and that it may not be right. (See the changing articles on Riku/Ansem in KH2 for an example) I would suggest that if we cover any "Pre-game" stuff here, that it is either straight from Nomura or from cutscenes, and that anything that we have to take on a character's say-so is explicitly explained to be unconfirmed.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
-[[User:Jkls39|Jkls39]] ([[User talk:Jkls39|talk]]) 13:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC) Can we just be a team and help improve this page better? We need teamwork and cooperation. If anyone's willing to help me out, please let me know. Let's make this a better page for other users to see. I'm actually willing to help but I also need someone to help me out. I can't do this alone. :)
-::I have approximately zero time to work on this, I'm just outlining initial concerns so we can make sure his starts on the right track.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:37, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 == Separation by Game Really Necessary? ==
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 So, for KH, we would need to pinpoint first the ''shown'' event which is the furthest down in the past, as far as I know that would either be Eraqus and Master Xehanort discussing the Keyblade War or when MX forced Ventus against the neoshadows, or have we an actual ''shown'' event before it? After that we'd need the most recent event, which is most likely the scene with Sora on the papou tree holding Mickey's letter and deciding to go out rescuing the others.
 Between these two ''anchor-points'' we would need to fill in all occured Events in chronological order.}}
-User: Xhemel----As a long time player since I was 4 and got my hands on the original Kingdom Hearts I have been with the series since, we can all agree the story can be confusing, and most importantly the insane ability for Donald to heal. That one over played joke aside if you are new to the series I recommend just starting from the order that the games originally released in. I think it would turn off a lot of new players trying to enter the community if we tell them to start with Union Cross since that's the true origin or even Birth by Sleep. Start with Kingdom Hearts 1, then Chained Memories, then Kingdom Hearts 2, that will make the story flow so much better without jumping from past to present all the time like in the technical "spin offs". The next true installment I would recommend is Birth by Sleep or 365/2 Days, both are worth playing and are both canon to the main story. Re:coded can be skipped in my opinion, the gameplay was lack luster and the story is a bunch of fluff and really unnecessary to the point where I don't even see it as canon. After birth by sleep and 365/2 you can jump right into Dream Drop Distance which are the events right after KH2 and will lead you to KH2.9 aka Birth by Sleep 0.2 and that into KH3.
-That is just the order that would be the most fun and would make the most sense to me. Doesn't make sense to try and explain the entire story to a new player (First of all if your confused and haven't attempted to play the games that's on you) or to try the games in a different order as you WILL run into spoilers even if you think you haven't.
-This is easier than ever with the collections of all the games coming out for PlayStation 4 which will save you a lot of money and time and they include the final mix versions which in my opinion makes late game in KH1 and 2 amazing.
-(I didn't mention Union X or X or whatever that BS is, because it really doesn't relate to the main story at all until much later and you'll waste hours of your life going thru over 1000 lvls for 2 pieces of plot information :/ ) I recommend watching the movie that comes with 0.2 instead as you don't really need any more info to enjoy to plot
-Hope this helps, just found this forum and I was bored so I figured I'd give my input on the order of the games to someone that has never touched the series. :){{unsigned|70.92.4.188}}
 == Draft ==
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 ==Days==
 Days, at least, is perfectly made for a timeline. Why don't we start by adding the days and events, and we can build the article around that.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:58, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
-Yeah...seems good.[[User:Lightning Samurai Larxene|Lightning Samurai Larxene]] 22:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)Lightning Samurai Larxene
 == A few things... ==
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 *[http://heartstation.org/archives/2249 KH Days]
 --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 15:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
-== Potential Dating System Substitute ==
-One of the main reasons the timeline on this talk page seems messy and cluttered (to me, at least) is because it lacks an obvious indicator of when any particular event takes place relative to other events (other than those directly preceding and following it). Translation: It needs dates.
-It sounds simple in theory, but the reality is far from it. We have no way of knowing how much time our heroes spend in any given World, and even if we did, Riku and Joshua's discussion in Dream Drop Distance indicates it wouldn't matter anyway; time flows differently in every World. Furthermore, concrete measures of time are rarely used with much specificity by characters nor in Reports, aside from Roxas's conveniently labeled year of existence. All this makes everything sort of difficult to measure (and don't even get me started on Xehanort's time travel shenanigans), but I think I've come up with a potential solution, or at least the beginnings of one.
-The idea actually came to me while re-watching Blank Points. I suggest we separate the current timeline into three sections, or eras: 0, 1, and 2. Each would use the beginning of its corresponding game (Birth by Sleep, KH1, and KH2) as the beginning of its own dating system, and would continue through subsequent games and events until reaching the start of the next era. Thus, we would have Era 0 lasting from Sora's birth all the way through to Sora, Riku, and Kairi starting work on their raft. We could then further separate this era into up to 10 (or potentially more if it proves necessary) sub-eras based on related events. We could then number the events that occur in each sub-era in sequence. The same formula could be applied to eras 1, 2, and potentially 3 as well. Here's a bare-bones example timeline I've come up with.
-Era 0
-:0.0.00 Sora is born. Master Xehanort takes Ventus to the Destiny Islands. Sora's new heart joins with Ventus's fractured one, restoring it.
-:0.0.01 Master Xehanort brings Ventus to the Land of Departure.
-:0.0.02 Terra, Ventus, and Aqua grow up together and become inseparable. Aqua begins crafting the Wayfinders.
-:0.0.03 There is a meteor shower the night before Terra and Aqua' Mark of Mastery exam. Aqua presents her friends with the Wayfinders.
-:0.0.04 Eraqus names Aqua a Keyblade Master, but Terra does not pass his Mark of Mastery due to interference from Master Xehanort. Ventus and Vanitas meet. Master Yen Sid warns of monsters called Unversed threatening the Worlds. Master Xehanort is nowhere to be found. Terra, Ventus, and Aqua begin their adventures.
-:0.1.01 Xehanort arrives in the Enchanted Dominion. He teaches Maleficent about the Seven Princesses of Heart and of the existence of other Worlds.
-:0.1.02 Terra arrives in the Enchanted Dominion seeking Master Xehanort. Maleficent ends up using him to steal Princess Aurora's heart.
-:0.1.03 Terra arrives in the Dwarf Woodlands.
-And so on. Anything taking place before Sora's birth could either be classified as simply "Pre-0" and not use the era system, or it could be the Negative Era or something, and labeled with negative numbers.
-The idea is that since the majority of the series doesn't bother specifying the time periods between different events, we shouldn't either. Note that I do think time periods should be noted where they are given. It's just that they're given so sparingly it's impossible to base a chronology off of that.
-Anyway, to finish us off, here's how I would see the general layout of eras and sub-eras going if this idea were to take hold, excluding the Pre-0/Negative Era.
-Era 0 (Birth by Sleep)
-:0.0 Sora's birth through Aqua's departure from the Land of Departure
-:0.1 Xehanort's arrival in the Enchanted Dominion through Aqua's departure from the Enchanted Dominion
-:0.2 Terra's arrival at the Mysterious Tower through Ventus's departure from Radiant Garden
-:0.3 Terra's arrival in Disney Town through Aqua's departure from Never Land
-:0.4 Ventus's arrival at the Mysterious Tower through Aqua's arrival in the Realm of Darkness
-:0.5 Ansem the Wise's initial heart experiments through King Mickey's departure from Disney Castle (Note: This sub-era covers about a decade of events, but the vast majority of these events are not directly witnessed by us, the players. This sub-era has the potential to span across more sub-eras should additional information arise)
-Era 1 (Kingdom Hearts, Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days)
-:1.0 Sora's Awakening through his first departure from Traverse Town
-:1.1 Sora's arrival in Wonderland through his second departure from Traverse Town
-:1.2 Sora's arrival in Agrabah through his transformation into a Heartless
-:1.3 Roxas's 1st day through the locking of Ansem's Door to Darkness
-:1.4 Roxas's 20th day (roughly) through his 49th day (Note: Includes the entirety of Chain of Memories. Could possibly span two sub-eras.)
-:1.5 Roxas's 50th day through his 148th day
-:1.6 Roxas's 149th day through his 254th day
-:1.7 Roxas's 255th day through his 351st day
-:1.8 Roxas's 352nd day through his placement in the Simulated Twilight Town
-Era 2 (Kingdom Hearts II, Coded, Dream Drop Distance)
-:2.0 The first day of Roxas's simulated "summer vacation" through Sora's departure from Hollow Bastion
-:2.1 Sora's arrival in the Land of Dragons through his departure from Pride Land
-:2.2 Sora's return to Twilight Town through his escape from Hollow Bastion
-:2.3 Sora's return Land of Dragons through his second departure from Pride Land
-:2.4 Sora's fourth arrival in Hollow Bastion through Axel's sacrifice in Betwixt and Between
-:2.5 Sora's arrival at the World That Never Was through his return to the Destiny Islands
-:2.6 Jiminy's discovery of the mysterious message in his journal through Sora and Riku's departure from the Destiny Islands (Note: Contains all of Coded.)
-:2.7 Sora and Riku's arrival at the Mysterious Tower through their departure from the Symphony of Sound
-:2.8 Sora and Riku's arrival at the World That Never Was through Kairi's arrival at the Mysterious Tower
-Era 3 (Kingdom Hearts III)
-Something like that anyway. The system is in no way perfect, but it's an idea. Thoughts? [[User:Fabala011|Fabala011]] ([[User talk:Fabala011|talk]]) 20:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
-:I think this is actually a really good idea. What I also like to see is which events occurs in which game, meaning there could be a colored heart (or something like that) before the number that indicates the game, like it's done with the game template. But what about events we were only told about (King Mickey's adventures in the Realm of Darkness, the first Keyblade War etc.), when we have such a concrete timeline it may be difficult to insert these events. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] ([[User talk:ShardofTruth|talk]]) 20:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
-::A few comments:
-*I don't think we should actually call these "Era X" in the headers, since we could raise up a hullabaloo similar to the somebody fuss. Instead, The headers should probably state some important, definitive event, probably the ones that start off each game; "The eve of Terra and Aqua's Mark of Mastery exam", "The morning Sora undergoes his Dive to the Heart", "Roxas's birth", "Sora's reawakening".
-*On a very banal note, I'm going to say we have to assume that the events in each world generally take a day or two, if only because we usually don't see the sun rising or setting during a world's episode. When we do, we can obviously adjust that. Furthermore, there's not much hint that each journey lasts more than about a month, so I don't think we should assume the Lanes Between take too much time either. In regards to Riku and Joshua's discussion, if that's the one at the beginning, isn't he just implying that the Sleeping Worlds can have copies within a visitor's dreams?
-*Most of the prologue stuff is actually fairly well nailed down, if we just work systematically. Ventus's fracture would have to be fourteen years before KH1, for example, while Maleficent attacking Radiant Garden would be one year after the start of BbS (nine years before KH1).
-::I definitely like this idea, though. For sub-headers, I think just indented the bullets would work, though I think we can come up with a system to provide approximate dates for the events, especially with the help of the Ultimanias and the official timeline that was printed somewhere (I think Neumannz posted a link). If we need to denote explicit dates from assumed, we can.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 21:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
-:::*Ah, good point.
-:::*It takes less than a day from that World's perspective, but from another World's perspective it could take more or less time. I was referring to the conversation Riku and Joshua have during Riku's second visit to Traverse Town, when Joshua reveals that when Shiki crossed over to Sora's Traverse Town, the timer on her hand had more time left than her partner Neku's, and when Rhyme crossed over to Riku's Traverse Town, the timer on her hand had less time left than her partner Beat's. This indicates that time moves more quickly in Sora's Traverse Town than it does in Riku's. Riku argued that since they were different Worlds that was normal, but Joshua pointed out that it meant they couldn't be parallel Worlds like they'd first thought. So, yeah. An entire day in Radiant Garden could be half that in Twilight Town. And that brings another point. Who can say if a day has passed if the sun is continually setting? And if we think too much about the precise number of days that a journey takes we start to ask how long a day would be from Sora's perspective. Would he measure days based on how long they were on the Destiny Islands? Would he just say it had been a day once he felt sleepy? In the end, I've decided it doesn't really matter, which is why I came up with the numbering system seen above to make it easier to reference specific events and when they happened without relying on terms like days and years which are unreliable and variant in this series.
-:::*The issue I have with that is that there's no reference point other than "the start of X game." If we want to use dates at all we need to decide on an event to use as a reference point and get a system going. We could use that for the headers too, if we wanted. Instead of "Era 1" or "That day when Sora takes a nap and Riku throws a log at him," for the header, we could have "14 years since Sora's birth" or "9 years after Kairi's arrival on Destiny Islands." We could alternatively come up with a year system like, as an example, BA (Before Awakening) and AA (After Awakening) and measure events from the start of KH1 like that.
-:::*I guess I just take issue with the idea of giving some of the events valid "this many days exactly" dates while giving most of the non-prologue stuff "kind of this many days ish" dates. It's unavoidable, I know, but I loves me some consistency. (My opinion is still that since the games don't bother with specific dates we shouldn't either, but I'm a vocal minority in that department, I think.) [[User:Fabala011|Fabala011]] ([[User talk:Fabala011|talk]]) 00:11, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
-::::Twilight Town still has night, it's just the sun apparently never gets too far up above the horizon. That's normal for a planet if the town is at an extreme latitude. For the day thing, that's getting into issues of "universal time", which doesn't exist in the real world either. If the sun rises and sets on whatever world he's on, that's a day.
-::::I really, really don't want this to be subdivided into a false date numbering system like "BA" or "AA". We should stick to what is actually shown in the games. Pulling headers based on significant events only is also going to make it difficult to represent the events leading up to them, since they would naturally go slightly before it. I think the best bet is to organize them roughly before the start of a game, where the known events start happening.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
-== Update based on Official Site ==
-This is the first time I've done anything to help on this site, so please tell me if I'm doing something wrong. So I was looking for something related to Kingdom Hearts (I can't remember what anymore) and I came across the new portal for the Kingdom Hearts page in Japan. So I was thinking, what if we modeled the timeline article based on that. The new portal has a chronology section. I think all we need to do is translate and use that for the timeline here. I couldn't find the North America portal, so I don't think there is an official translation. The site is here: [http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/chronology/index.html KINGDOM HEARTS| KINGDOM HEARTS PORTAL SITE| SQUARE ENIX] Any thoughts?
-:That seems like a good starting point, but we need someone who knows Japanese to decipher it first *cough* Pea *cough*. PS. You need to sign your posts with four <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 23:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
-:Ok, well, I kind of stopped trying, but last night I found a picture of the chronology page, just translated. Now, this isn't an official translation, but it's the same page, just translated (and it personally makes more sense than Google Translate's version). I just don't know how to upload it yet. By the way, thanks TheFifteenthMember for the help. [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 22:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
-:Ok, The link is [http://sqex.info/2012/02/kingdom-hearts-timeline/ here]. What do you guys think?[[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 20:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
-== Timeline needs more detail ==
-I don't know about you guys, but I think that under the Timeline, that there should be a story, or even better: make a story page. The one in [[Kingdom Hearts (series)]] is a bit... un-chronological/doesn't have enough detail. Can I have permission to do this? [[User:Neku&#39;s Nobody|Neku&#39;s Nobody]] ([[User talk:Neku&#39;s Nobody|talk]]) 00:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
-:See the above sections, we're trying to have it done correctly.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
-== Rebirth ==
-{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=08:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)|default2=Okay, it's been over a year since I first tried to help with this page, and since then, it basically died. So, I venture in a desperate CPR-like fashion to bring it back to life.
-I've started a new draft for it in my [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab|Gadget Lab]]. Anyone can contribute, especially for Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Re:coded, and 3D: Dream Drop Distance. Basically, I'm just listing major events that affect the plot of the whole saga/series, and highliting game beginnings and endings rather than dividing by game. I think those events serve the timeline well, and if anyone wants more detail, they can go to the individual games and/or worlds' pages. Any additional ideas are welcome.
-Hopefully, we can give this article a new birth!}}
-[[User:Maggosh/Timeline|Pssh.]] [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 18:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
-{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)|text=Ok, if you're going to brag, why is it that the timeline article is still just sitting in shambles?}}
-{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)|default=I don't have much of an opinion on the timeline article but I don't think we sure include when character's are born and make sure that the info is in-universe (no getting timeframes from the Disney films/FF games).}}
-==Days timeline (taken from Days Ultimania)==
-I do not mean to start a new conversation on this topic, just posting [http://www.khinsider.com/358-2-days/interviews/kingdom-hearts-358-2-days-ultimania---timeline this] as a future reference/source. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 01:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
-==1.5 Timeline thing for reference==
-[[:File:KHHD Timeline 01.png]] {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 08:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
-==The χ Problem==
-It appears that the site considers Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] to be a remake of Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]. This however is only partially true. Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]] takes place after Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] has already concluded and is post-Keyblade War. The reason it is a partial remake is because Player relives the events depicted in Kingdom Hearts χ[chi], but there are discrepancies. Quests 501-525 concerning the reckless Keyblade wielder did not take place in Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]. The true new content does not commence until Quest 571 however, and there is no depiction of the finale of Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] through-and-through, simply flashbacks of Player's collapse and the initial battle in the Badlands and the battle against Aced that preceded the initiation of the Keyblade War. This makes the timeline essentially Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] (with Kingdom Hearts χ Back Cover taking place both before and concurrently) then Heart and Key followed by Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] and Dark Footsteps/Unchained 0[zero] - as Dark Footsteps has to follow the introduction of Enchanted Dominion in Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross] but has yet to be addressed within the storyline. Thereby I don't know if you could really argue the inclusion of Kingdom Hearts Union χ in the timeline, but if anyone objects to my decision, please let me know. ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 16:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC))
-== I have an equation... ==
-While I like the idea of keeping a nice and tidy timeline of the series here, as it currently stands, it doesn't really do it justice primarily because you have events that do not run concurrently with the game they're placed in. For example, the meeting with Xehanort and the Master is right at the start of Re Mind, yet takes place which appears to be right after Dark Road. There's also the events of Limitcut, which takes place a whole year after KH3, but can't really be placed anywhere on here. And in-between all the games, we have the "Reconnect" secret endings and parentheses. SO! Rather than just a list of games in canonical chronological order, I strongly suggest we make the timeline a list of '''important events''' in the order they happen. Just very short, quick summaries no more than a sentence or two, with links to the respective games/endings they're from. It's slightly more work than what we currently have, but it's far more robust and generally meaningful. That way, we can even feature the timeline on the front page for newcomers! --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 05:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-:'''BEHOLD!!!''' [[KHWiki:Sandbox|My stuff.]] --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 07:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-::I added a table as experiment to see how it would look. And while it does increase the page length '''a lot''', I find it easier to read than the wall of text above it. Also, images make it look less bland. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-:::Yup! I was actually thinking of ways to make it more ''visual'', and a table is one way to do it! You're brilliant lol! --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 18:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-==Dark Road's Placement in the Timeline?==
-Why is Kingdom Hearts Union χ Dark Road considered the indeterminate years? Xehanort's meeting with the Master of Masters takes place 75 years before Kingdom Hearts III (so 74 BKH), while the time that Xehanort laid flowers on those four graves was 4 years after the main story of Dark Road. I believe both events were mentioned to be around the time of Xehanort and Eraqus's Mark of Mastery, which means that the Upperclassmen went missing 78 BKH. As an aside, if Xehanort was said by Nomura to be around 80 in KHBBS, but Young Xehanort was said to be 18 - 20. This is where you run into issue, as Xehanort was said to have been sent on his journey by Ansem SoD, and those two met before he even got to Scala ad Caelum, which would suggest that he would be 12 rather than 18, but I'm inclined to believe that 80 is more like a rough statement than a definitive age, given that Young Xehanort doesn't appear to be that much younger than Aqua, who is 18, making it more likely that Xehanort was born 92 BKH.
-Thus:
-*92 BKH: Xehanort is born on Destiny Islands.
-*78 BKH: Xehanort encounters his future self's Heartless, who sends him on a mission through time to assemble the Seekers of Darkness in the World That Never Was to greet his future-most self.
-*74 BKH: Xehanort meets the Master of Masters and is guided toward his destiny opposing those who rely on false light and seeking to restore equilibrium.
-*14 BKH: Xehanort cleaves Ventus's Heart in two when he fails to draw upon darkness in order to forge the χ-Blade
-*10 BKH: Xehanort possesses Terra, faces Aqua, and uses No Name to unlock his own Heart, but is returned to the Realm of Light by Aqua's sacrifice.
-*9 BKH: Xehanort undertakes experiments on the Heart and discovers the Heart of Radiant Garden; Xehanort meets Mickey Mouse; Xehanort unlocks his own Heart, as well as the Hearts of Ansem the Wise's apprentices - becoming Ansem SoD and Xemnas; Ansem SoD travels back in time, while Xemnas and the Nobodies of Ansem the Wise's apprentices cast their master into the Realm of Darkness; Xehanort sends Kairi into the Ocean Between via the Life Boat in order to locate the chosen wielder of the Kingdom Key.
-([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 10:36, 14 May 2021 (UTC))
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