Editing Talk:Keyblade Graveyard

The name of this page should be changed to the Crossroads:
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/zaqkie/CrssRds.png

:No, it should stay Sunset Horizons, as that is it's official name. Those pictures aren't, to anyone's knowledge, the same spot, those two locations look the same to symbolize the paths the characters can take, the path of Light, the path of Darkness, the path of In Between, and (most likely) the path of Nothingness. [[User:Xnaminex|Xnaminex]] 20:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

No it isn't. 'Sunset Horrizons' is the name of the song that is playing in the background and it is the last track of the KHII OST. The name of this location has yet be revealed, unless it has been stated in an interview?

{{TNE
|text=As far as I know, Sunset Horizons refers to the soundtrack played in the clip entitled "The Gathering". There's a world which is currently known as Sunset Horizons, but that refers to the place where The Lingering Sentiment (perhaps Terra) fought Sora. That rocky, barren area.

Methinks it should be changed to The Crossroads. And for all you know, the same crossroads might have been used by Sora, Terra, Aqua and Ven.
}}
{{Xiggie|text=I think that this is the same Sunset Horizons as where Terra confronted MX and fought the Apprentice. As we've seen in [[Birth By Sleep]] (video), MX can alter the terrain... or perhaps this is just another place in that "world".}}

I think it's a hidden part of Twilight Town. [[User:Veroso|Veroso]] 17:55, 10 March, 2009

== This is NOT The Correct Name ==

Subsequent hacking and room mods in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix via Action Replay have shown that this area/world is called "The Gathering Place." Whether this is the official/final name is not known, but this ought to be changed to be represented as closely as possible, instead of using baseless, and groundless speculative "fan"-names."

Here is the video as proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKWfWTdyOQk

{{Guardian Soul|text=Sunset Horizons isn't a baseless name, it's the name of the music played in the area.}}

Dude; "Sacred Moon" is the music that plays in WTNW, yet, is that the name of the world?

{{Guardian Soul|text=I'm not saying that Sunset Horizons is the name of the world, all I'm saying is that the name isn't based off of nothing.}}

{{TNE|blahtext=Dude, thanks for telling us it's "The Gathering Place", but seriously, stop your ''ad hominem'' attack on us.

@GS : Shall I proceed with the move ?}}

Sorry if I sounded condescending; I just recalled seeing a whiiiiile ago, and was surprised the info wasn't up-to-date.

Hey, what's happened to the change/move? :< --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 07:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
{{TNE|happytext=Oops ! I'll get it done now. ^_^

EDIT : Done.}}

So is the Keyblade Graveyard an actual world or just an area, because the actual graveyard part is only in one part, I think? Other than that I think it's all a baron wasteland. I'm confused.


I didn't get it also too by the start--[[User:Logginglocos75|Jose Enrique Felix]] 00:29, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

== A forgotten World? ==

{{Xiggie|time=20:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I was just watching the [[Deep Dive]] video, and I noticed something. in on of the texts that appear as the video progresses, the text reads: 

[[:File:DeepDiveScreenshot.png|''A world between = A forgotten world<br>The gathering'']]

I think that this message is regarding '''this''' world (the Gathering Place), sounds likely, ya?
so, I think that this suggest that this world is a forgotten world (possibly due to some memory-loss thing, like happened to [[Xehanort]]) in the [[Realm of In Between]]...

what do you guys think?}}

{{DTN|text=Nice catch! But, it might just mean The World That Never Was, which was the <u>gathering</u> place of Organization XIII. Still, though, I can see how your interpretation could also be correct.}}

i think the the gathering place means twtnw too [[User:Ghostboy3000|Ghostboy3000]] 20:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== It may be part of Land of Departure ==

i mean after if gets all dead and stuff it could be possiable--[[User:Joekeybladeaura|joekeybladeaura]] 07:38, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
The K, second E, G and second D in the world logo are stylized after Terra, Ventus, Aqua and Sora's Keyblades, respectively.

Cool, it's true nice catch.--[[User:Masgrande|Masgrande]] 03:28, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Gallery ==
This page needs a gallery, its too empty.--[[User:Masgrande|Masgrande]] 03:28, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ok I took care of it, hope someone can upload better images.--[[User:Masgrande|Masgrande]] 04:40, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Ventus's homeworld ==

[[File:Ventus's_Piller.png|thumb]]

Isn't Ventus's homeworld Keyblade Graveyard? I mean his awakeing's back ground is the Keyblade Graveyard. Beside Ventus just met Terra, and Aqua after Master Xehanort created Vanitas. So Land of Departure isn't Ventus's homeworld but the Keyblade Graveyard. I mean look at Ventus's Awakening it even shows the grave yard. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:14, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:Why does it being in his stained glass make it his homeworld? Something significant happened to him there is all. And you can easily live anywhere and not meet two people...—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:50, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Both Sora, Princess of Hearts, and Destiny Island's hearts had the scenary of the homeworld how do you explained that? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 01:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:What are you talking about? We never see the Princesses' Awakenings, and there's no indication that they have one.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:19, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

The one in KHI with the 7 Princess. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 01:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:That's not their Awakenings, it's Sora's.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:11, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? it could be the pricesses's, after all Sora is connected to all hearts he could go to others awakening if they are the hearts of people--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 20:20, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
:...yes, it's his awakening, because he's the one diving to the heart. Roxas has his own Awakening, even if the pillar's depict Sora. The pillars may depict the hearts connected to the waker (even those of worlds), but it's still the waker's Awakening.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:57, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

== World image? ==

{{DrK|text=Do we have a world image for the Graveyard? All I see are pictures of the logo.}}
:Well, we pulled the other planet-ish images from the Birth by Sleep website, but the Keyblade Graveyard isn't there. Seeing as the logo seems to have been ripped from the game without problems, I'm hoping we can get the world image too...—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 21:41, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Story ==

Moved from page. This needs to be integrated with Terra's story so that it is in chronological order. We didn't divide the story into "x's story" for any other game, and doing so only makes the chronology more confusing.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:49, February 13, 2010 (UTC)



Ventus meets up with Terra and Aqua at the Keyblade Graveyard, helping them to battle Master Xehanort and Vanitas. Frozen and dropped from a cliff by Xehanort, Aqua came to his aid before being forced to battle Braig. After Vanitas ambushed her, Aqua's great anger towards the enigma allowed him to stand and face him.

Vanitas then stated his body was fading, which would allow him to merge with Ventus. He summoned several Unversed to hold Ventus down, stating that the creatures were the negative emotions created when he and Ventus were separated. He then explained that by spreading them throughout the worlds, he hoped he'd lead Ventus and his friends on a little journey, and everything went according to plan, Vanitas viewing the trio's increased strength as a bonus. He then proceeded to fuse with Ventus, transporting him to the [[Awakening]].

Vanitas appeared before Ventus, stating their fusion had been incomplete, hence only an incomplete version of the X-Blade had been created. When Ventus challenged him, Vanitas told him that tne destruction of the X-Blade would also destroy Ventus's heart, as he was a part of it. Ventus then exclaimed he didn't care, and that he had friends to protect. He then had his final battle with Vanitas, both he and the X-Blade fading out of existence along with him.

Aqua meets up with Terra and Ventus in the Keyblade Graveyard, and participates in the battle against Master Xehanort and Vanitas. Aiding a frozen Ventus, she is interrupted by [[Braig]], who wishes to stall her long enough that she is prevented from helping Terra as he fights Master Xehanort. Braig is defeated, fleeing. As Aqua heads back to Ventus's side, she is attacked by Vanitas from above.

Eventually rescued by King Mickey, Aqua awoke desperately calling out for Ventus. Seeing the boy thawed out and standing in a far corner, she ran to his side and attempted to converse with him. Ventus didn't respond, striking out at her with the completed X-Blade. King Mickey comes to her aid, siding with her as Ventus becomes possessed by Vanitas and battles her. Under Vanitas's influence, Ventus battles Aqua. When Ventus falls, Aqua does all in her power to destroy the X-Blade.

== Unversed ==

Should we add Unversed section in the article???[[User:P456|P456]] 20:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Characters ==

{{DTN|time=00:20, April 7, 2010 (UTC)|text={{Spoiler}}

I was trying to discuss this on the IRC Channel, but the other end of the conversation left abruptly.<!--GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH--> Not all of the characters listed in the "Characters" section belong there. In truth, the only character that we know premanently resides in the Keyblade Graveyard is the Lingering Sentiment. Vanitas and Xehanort were created here, though neither of them permanently reside in the world. Vanitas roams around the worlds to impact the story and further Master Xehanort's plans, and Xehanort hardly is in the Keyblade Graveyard at all. However, if "home world" is defined as the world a character is born in, this is where they should be placed. However, it simply doesn't seem appropriate to leave the "Characters" section with just Vanitas, Xehanort, and the Lingering Sentiment, or just the Lingering Sentiment alone.

{{Spoilerend}}}}
{{KrytenKoro|I really don't think we can put any character who has visited in the character's section - I mean, the whole thing people are looking for when they read it is "So who am I going to meet here?"

That's the reasoning behind removing "Sora, Donald, Goofy!" from every world's character page, and I think it applies here as well.

It would probably be a good idea, though, (and I think it's already in place for some characters) to relax the criterion from "birthplace" to "living places" - so, Xehanort would appear on both Keyblade Graveyard and Radiant Garden, and Kairi would appear on Radiant Garden and Destiny Islands. The journals certainly claim that she's from Destiny Islands, so it's not contradictory to the games, either.

If we do that, though, do we want to include characters who are "most definitely not from here, but they're waiting here on a mission" like Merlin, the Fairy Godmothers, and the Fairy Godmother? (:P) For example, the Mysterious Tower IS Yen Sid's place. It's all about him. But for a short while, the Fairy Godmothers reside there in order to help out. (Where ''did'' they go?)}}
{{DTN|time=13:28, April 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=In the case of characters like Flora, Fauna, and Merrywheather, I would identify them as a characters on their home world Enchanted Dominion and Mysterious Tower, since they appear in each one in for the duration of at least one full game. They may have been there longer than just during ''Kingdom Hearts II'', but we cannot assume that they randomly popped in just a short amount of time before Sora did at Yen Sid's Tower.

What I am saying is if a charactter has a full-game residence in a world, than they should be classified as a character there.}}

== Keyblade Graveyard Logo/Trivia ==

I was going to add an extra section to the Trivia for this, but I was unsure, so I thought I'd just point it out and be sure.

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, but on the underside of Keyblade Graveyard's logo (I'm not sure if it can be seen in-game, but I noticed it on the logo on the Article), I managed to spot Oathkeeper, Oblivion, Fenrir, Follow The Wind and what appears to be the teeth of Lionheart/Sleeping Lion. I'm not sure if it counts as Trivia, but I'd be more than happy to add it to the Trivia if it is relevant.

==Gallery question==
Why is it that when you click on the picture of Ven looking at a crater, it comes up as Aqua looking at a crater?--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 21:31, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
{{ErryTalk|text=Ahh, I forgot about this, it's because back then, Wikia had problems with image uploading, but I'm sure you know that now.}}

==Not a Hidden Mickey==
[[File:For Friendship 02 KHBBS.png|200px]]
{{ST|text=i just wanted to explain to all who are wondering why this is not a hidden mickey. Hidden Mickey's are three circles that make up a near perfect silhouette of mickey's head when facing you. as you can see, this is nowhere near perfect as the circle on our right is considerably smaller then the one on the left. 3 connected circles ≠ Hidden Mickey}}
{{WS|time=00:23, October 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=I thought so too. When I first saw this I thought "That's supposed to be a Hidden Mickey?"}}
{{Chitalian8|time=00:38, October 9, 2010 (UTC)|text= Just because they are not perfect, symmetrical circles doesn't mean it's not a Hidden Mickey. It definitely resembles one greatly.}}
{{WS|time=00:45, October 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=We know that. But the fact that they ''aren't'' symetrical doesn't make it a Hidden Mickey.}}

{{ErryTalk|text=And I assume that Cubist artists that make a face so square it looks more like a robot's face than a human's? Sure, it might ''look'' like that but that doesn't mean it isn't one. Same applies here, it ''looks'' like it's messed up but it still resembles one, greatly.}}

{{WS|time=21:35, October 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yes it resembles one greatly, but still. They're not symetrical so it's not a hidden Mickey. It looks kinda like one, but not close enough to actually be one.}}

{{AxelLivesOn|time=22:01, October 11, 2010 (UTC)|scary= I have recently talked to some Cast Members at the Disneyland Resort about Hidden Mickeys. Almost 1/4th of them actually look this way in real life. If it has three circles and two are slightly larger than the others, than it is considered a Mickey; hidden or not. Take this picture in the Indiana Jones Adventure: Temple of the Forbidden Eye for example...
http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m410/skrich72/Disneyland8.jpg
See the Mickey?
If not, look closely near his mouth...
The oval depression in his mouth and the rounds of his nostrils is considered a "Hidden" mickey. (there are ''tons'' more.

So, do you see my point?}}

==The Setting section needs to be changed.==

Can somebody add a better description of the world, please?

== "???" Area ==

So, will we never know the true name of the area where the final battle takes place?  Ya know, the one called "???" before you enter it?  Should we just refer to it as "The Gathering Place" or "The Crossroads", since that's what people called the world when they first saw the secret movie of KH2?  [[User:Key of Destiny|Key of Destiny]] 22:23, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

That's not how it works here. We don't just make up names and say they're official. Technically the area has no official name (unless the guide calls it something other than ???).{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}22:26, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, no it is known as "Keyblade Graveyard" if you spawn to that map. The Keyblades are actually images, not part of the area. So it's just a land mass with a far away edge that moves along with you, like inside the Magic Mirror. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:44, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

== Twister Trench ==

Is it possible to evade the cyclones, or you just have to go through them? And there is this bit ''"It leads into the Twister Trench, where Vanitas's raging emotions have manifested as literal storms of Unversed"'' comes from? Last question, what is the name of the area, where you first fight with Vanitas in Ventus's storyline? <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 20:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

It is possible, you need all types of transport on max level though. With Ventus it is better to use Superglide, with Terra Air Slide+Sonic Impact and with Aqua Air Slide+Cartwheel. As for the quote, I've no idea. The name of the area with the first fight between Ventus and Vanitas is set in "''Badlands''". {{User:Erry/Sig}} 20:52, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Is it called like that in the game files? And what about locations where you fight with Ventus-Vanitas and with MX? Also, that quote still troubles me. I mean I'm itchy to delete it, but how else could I explain that those little storms have Unversed in them? <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 16:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

:It ''is'' called that in the game files, although you can't see it until the Vanitas Remnant battle becomes available, since it takes place in the same location. While I'm not sure, I think the locations where you fight Ventus-Vanitas and MX are just called "the Keyblade Graveyard". And you don't ''really'' need to explain why those storms are there, just that they ''are'' there.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 16:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I guess you're right. Don't know why I suddenly became all indecisive. Anyways, added. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 17:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
:Why did we remove the bit about the twisters? That's literally what they are, we know how Unversed are created. It sounds dinkier this way, I think.
:Also, we still need to know what the name of the "within the twister" area is.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

The previous description sounded like Vanitas made some kind of (sub)conscious effort to create specifically ''storms'' of Unversed, while we don't know that for sure. They could be self-organized for all we know. Besides, I still don't get the exact nature of those storms - before I read the article, I thought it was some kind of teleport to another dimension, like those orbs at the End of the World. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 14:29, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
:The Unversed are not self-organized, and he did make a conscious effort to create them. Vanitas and Nomura explicitly explain that all Unversed are his conscious creations, manifestations of his negative emotions.
:We still need that note about getting the name of the "inside the tornado" rooms.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:47, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I remember that quote, and I wasn't arguing with that. I'm not that stupid to argue with canon. :) What I meant was we don't know if Vanitas gathered them together to form ''storms''. ''The storms'' could be self-organized; the quote doesn't state that he directly controls every movement of an Unversed. I personally think it is mighty uncomfortable. Although, considering that Vanitas is hardly human, he just might pull it off.

Also, as I said, those storms could be of a completely different nature. Something like those orbs, really. *Sigh* Exact name of the location might really help here. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 19:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

==Realm Between?==
How do we know Keyblade Graveyard is a part of the Realm Between? I mean, I did not find a source about that, so I prefer to be sure ^^ [[User:Lady Junky|Lady Junky]] ([[User talk:Lady Junky|talk]]) 15:30, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
:I removed it, as far as I know there is no source that talks about the realm status of the Keyblade Graveyard. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 15:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
:I mean, I think the fact that it's described as "beyond both light and dark" would seem to make it fairly clear. [[User:Unnoun|Unnoun]] ([[User talk:Unnoun|talk]]) 15:12, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

"Beyond both light and dark he dwells; where war was waged upon the fells" -The Magic Mirror, when asked by Terra where Xehanort is.

When Terra finds Xehanort, he's at the Keyblade Graveyard. Which is indeed where a war was waged, upon the fells or otherwise. Since Xehanort's location is described as beyond light and dark as well, and Xehanort's location is the Keyblade Graveyard, that means the Keyblade Graveyard is "beyond both light and dark". [[User:Unnoun|Unnoun]] ([[User talk:Unnoun|talk]]) 13:24, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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 == Ventus's homeworld ==
-<!--[[File:Ventus's_Piller.png|thumb]]-->
+[[File:Ventus's_Piller.png|thumb]]
 Isn't Ventus's homeworld Keyblade Graveyard? I mean his awakeing's back ground is the Keyblade Graveyard. Beside Ventus just met Terra, and Aqua after Master Xehanort created Vanitas. So Land of Departure isn't Ventus's homeworld but the Keyblade Graveyard. I mean look at Ventus's Awakening it even shows the grave yard. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:14, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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 When Terra finds Xehanort, he's at the Keyblade Graveyard. Which is indeed where a war was waged, upon the fells or otherwise. Since Xehanort's location is described as beyond light and dark as well, and Xehanort's location is the Keyblade Graveyard, that means the Keyblade Graveyard is "beyond both light and dark". [[User:Unnoun|Unnoun]] ([[User talk:Unnoun|talk]]) 13:24, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
-== The Keyblade Graveyard ==
-MoM calls it "The Keyblade Graveyard". {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 10:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)