Editing Talk:Keyblade

=="Fake" Keyblades==

I'm a little curious to know who came up with this theory and from where. - [[User:~Wings of Destati~|~Wings of Destati~]] 11:23, 8 September 2007 (PTC)

This may be an old post - but it's not cannon. It's speculation made by some editors. [[User:Oh,how the sea calls|Oh,how the sea calls]] 01:34, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

==Naming==
Keyblade or Keyblade'''s'''?--[[user:NeloAngelo|N/A]]
:I thought the [[KHWiki:Manual of Style|MoS]] addressed that. Maintain singular for all article titles. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 15:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Keyblade is the singular and Keyblades is the plural. - [[User:~Wings of Destati~|~Wings of Destati~]]

I don't understand why they didn't name Xehanort's and Eraqus's keyblades in BBS--[[User:Logginglocos75|Jose Enrique Felix]] 00:16, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

== Keyblade vs. other weapons ==

If the Keyblade is supposed to be a weapon capable of dispatching Heartless and Nobodies, what difference is there between a Keyblade and normal weapons (i.e. those used by Cloud, Leon, Yuffie, etc.)? [[User:Edenfire|Edenfire]] 16:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Keyblades have the ability to open and close spiritual hearts. Wether they be a planet's heart or a person's heart. They can also open and close doorways to other worlds. [[User:Netherith|Netherith]] 05:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the difference is that a when a regular weapon (gunblade, Goofy's shield, Donald's magic, etc.) defeats a heartless, the released heart just goes somewhere else and makes a new heartless. But when a keyblade defeats a heartless, it is truly released and can begin forming kingdom hearts.[[User: The light in darkness|The light in darkness]] 19:54, 13 December 2008

==Original Owner==
This page, Sora's page, and Riku's page all say that Riku was the intended wielder, but Sora got it instead because Riku had surrendered to the darkness.  I guess this makes sense, since Riku is able to steal the keyblade later at Hollow Bastion, but is it ever explicitly stated that Riku was the intended owner?  If so, could anyone tell me where/when?  Thanks --[[User:Zephyrus11|Zephyrus11]] 05:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:You just said it yourself. It was in that scene, just listen to the dialogue and put the pieces together. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 15:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

{{TNE|blahtext=Also, the journal entry for Riku in his dark suit (immediately after finishing him for the first time) says that Riku was intended to be the original master of the Keyblade. I'm not sure whether Donald's and Goofy's entries say the same...}}

==way to the dawn==

is there any proof that way to the dawn is a keyblade of the realm of light? i don't remenber anyone saying that it is. my theory is that it is the keyblade of the realm of in between as it shows both light and dark elements and it's name is based on the road to the dawn the path in between the road to the light and the road to the dark not to mention the fact that riku has gone on a journy of both light and dark ([[User:Myself 123|Myself 123]] 16:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)).

{{TNE|text=For proof that the Way to the Dawn is a Keyblade of Light, go see [[Director's Secret Report XIII]].}}
{{CLD|text= I assumed it was a keyblade of dawn. Sora's light and mickey's darkness. Oh, and roxas' were of twilight...}}

== Genie ==

Should this section really be included? It isn't a real keyblade and doesn't mean anything to the plot.[[Special:Contributions/75.129.247.170|75.129.247.170]] 00:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand it either--[[User:Logginglocos75|Jose Enrique Felix]] 00:17, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

==Redirecting==

As Dark Keyblade redirects here, shouldn't someone write something about it here ? [[User:-Alarielle-|Alarielle]]

== light and darkness ==

i was under the impression that the keyblade went to sora because of the strength of his heart not his alignment

{{Summon:WALL•E|text=Remember the crossroads? A motif thats been in several games. Its in Chain of Memories and the Birth by Sleep trailer. Each path represents a realm, light, darkness, nothingness, and twilight. Sora got the Kingdom Key, on representing light. Mickey got the opposing dark one, and Riku got the twilight one. All 3 of those characters had strong hearts, and got a key because of it. Not necessarily because of their alignment.}}

again it's not dark vs light that picks a keyblade but the quality of the heart. in kingdom hearts when you find riku there is a key scene. sora actually says that he can go on without the keyblade, that he doesn't rely on it (it's really stupid in that incident all he has is a wooden sword but...) and that all he needs is heart. whereas Riku says "Your Heart? What can that weak thing do for you?" when Riku rejects the heart and sora accepts it '''THAT''' is what gets you your keyblade back not the "Dark vs Light" issue.(Dark all the way)

I'm in agreement with Wall-E, it's been explained in "Another Report" that the Keyblades are only Light or Dark Alignment and there are many ways to weild one with "Strength of Heart" being the only known one at the moment. The only way a "Twilight" blade can be present is with a mixed alignment of Light Exterior/Dark Interior (as per Another Report) or vice-versa. - [[User:SnoweyShadow|SnoweyShadow]] 15:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=If you must, go see [[Director's Secret Report XIII]] - that should do a great deal of explaining.}}

== Final Form ==

In the status screen (It's in the pause menu under "Status") the discription for Final Form describes it as
"a form that unleashes the keyblades true power"
== Anyone Notice This? ==

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|text=In the first kingdom hearts in Hollow Bastion. It's in the scene before the second battle with Riku. He's in that dark form. See the keyblade he is using? What exactly is that? The <u>black and red keyblade</u> Riku (Ansem) is using during the scene I would guess the fight too. Has anyone ever thought about what that is and why normal Riku doesn't seem to use it after that?
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:That keyblade vanished when Sora took his own heart with it. It was made from the hearts of the princesses of heart. As for its name - I don't know

Why can't ansem use the keyblade? Roxas can & isn't the heartless' main goal to take control of the keyblade?[[User:TheTrueRoxas|TheTrueRoxas]] 18:21, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


{{TNE|text=Many people aptly call it the Dark Keyblade, though we haven't found an official name for it.}}

Listen here you huys: First the keyblade don't received a name, thought it is called by it's type, a Keyblade Of People Hearts. Second, Roxas can use the Keyblade because he have part of Ventus Heart that was inside Sora. Third, Ansem can't use the keyblade because he's a Heartless, and like Riku in the first game, the Darkness stops him from using a Keyblade, so he can only use a keyblade while possesing a true Keyblade Wielder (Riku coudn't use the Keyblade because of the Darkness in his Heart. Amsem coudn't use the keyblade because the Darkness around his Heart, as a Heatless. So while possessing Riku, there were no Darkness on him, apart from the little Darkness on everyone's Heart. Fouth, I would explain what that Keyblade is, but just read the article about it on this wikia. By snetonobre.

==Why considered false?==
It rather irks me as to how Terra's, Ven's and Aqua's Keyblades are rumored to be false because they lack keychains. Ever considered that they may actually either a special brand of Keyblade or even a prototype?

They aren't fake and only appeared without Keychains on the secret ending of Kingdom Hearts II. By snetonobre

{{Maggosh|flint=This is a year old.}}

== Another Report ==

Info that needs to be aded (this is quotes):
V - There is still a lot of mystery about the Keyblades I think. The “Light side, Heart of Worlds Keyblade” that Sora wields, the “Keyblade of People’s Hearts” made from the Seven Princesses’ hearts for Riku, and the “Dark side, Heart of Worlds Keyblade” that the King obtained in the realm of darkness; presently these 3 types can be confirmed. Could you please explain things a little further?

Keyblades have 2 different constitutions, either from the Light side or the Dark side. This is merely the exterior key. The inner key can act from either side and its abilities won’t change. There is no clear division between Good and Evil. Usually the door to each world is closed and the Keyhole itself is not visible. By bringing a Keyblade nearby, the Keyhole appears. But the lock is not actually closed itself. Indeed, the Heartless were able to find the door, easily open it and in this way steal hearts. In the previous game, Sora turned the locks and closed these doors. Furthermore, about the opened door of the integrated heart of worlds “Kingdom Hearts” itself, to prevent the outflow of the Darkness within hearts, the intent and reasons were different so the Keyblade was used for a different purpose. In order to work, the door needs to be closed from both the Dark side and the Light side and both a Dark and Light realm Keyblade are needed. The King needed a Keyblade opposite from the realm of Light Keyblade that Sora had, so he went to the realm of Darkness to obtain one.

The Keyblade constructed from the Seven Princesses’ hearts that Riku obtained in the previous game allowed for the Keyhole in Hollow Bastion to appear. For the plan to cause Darkness to overflow from hearts, the special hearts held by the Princesses were used to artificially make this Keyblade, so it is different from a proper Keyblade. There are further suggestions that this Keyblade is artficial as well.

VI - Could you please give an explanation for the new Keyblade “Way to the Dawn” that Riku obtained and the Keyblade Kairi has, as well as what the conditions for using a Keyblade are?

There isn’t necessarily one Keyblade for the Dark side and one for the Light side, just as many as there exist people with qualified hearts. Concerning the conditions to wield one, at this stage, “Those with strong hearts” is the only obvious one. However, less obvious conditions still exist and there are still plans for an opportunity to reveal those. Riku’s “Way to the Dawn” and Kairi’s Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora’s. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater’s transfer and occurence (Riku: Nomura previously confirmed that Soul Eater changed into Way to the Dawn), as well as Riku’s handing it to Kairi. When there isn’t a normal process of acquisition, I think it’s ok to think there is some deeper meaning there.

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless, Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that’s the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion, Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time, Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora’s keyblade? Within the Organization, I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the Keyblade that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, they both can wield two Keyblades, which, in fact, has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort’s memories, but this point can’t be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization’s expectations differed. By changing Sora’s and Roxas’ movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

Yes! I'm not the only one posting crap on the Director's Secret report any more! I'm so happy I could Kill Something!
By the way to avoid unnesesary argument 
http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-28-29/#ar

== Ansem Reports ==

More sources:

It was a visitor from another world who cured my grief-stricken heart.
A small king named "Mickey" carried the legendary key in his hand.
Yes, it was the "Keyblade" which was said to have brought chaos and prosperity 
to the world a long time ago.


The "Hero" who holds a different Keyblade to the King has passed through many 
worlds, closed the doors' "Keyholes" and defeated the Heartless.

On the other hand, having plunged into the world of darkness, the King worked 
together with the Keyblade Master to close the door between the worlds of light 
and darkness, Kingdom Hearts, removing the threat of the great darkness.


I believe that Naminé was born as a unique Nobody when Sora turned the Keyblade 
on his own body and Sora and Kairi's "hearts" departed his body at the same tme.
Naminé was born as Kairi's Nobody.
But to become a Nobody, Sora's body and soul were used as an intermediary...


We talked for countless hours, but one story in particular caught my interest: that of a key called the “Keyblade.” The Keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power.

One legend says its wielder saved the world, while another says that he wrought chaos and ruin upon it. I must know what this Keyblade is. A key opens doors. It must be connected to the door I have opened.


If the door has been closed by the key known as the Keyblade, you probably cannot reach that world's heart again. Before the one with the Keyblade appears in this world, I must take measures to do something.

Supposing that there is a close relationship between the Princesses and the Keyblade, it seems likely that they will resonate with each other...

== Theory About Keychains ==

I know everyone has been talking about the Keychains recently with BBS, but a thought that comes to mind is one I'm not sure people have thought of.
In the current Kingdom Hearts series so far, Sora uses Keychains to change the Kingdom Key to other types of Keyblades. This is explained in the first game when he starts to recieve them, especially when he recieves the Keychain from Leon (the name escapes me right now).

The part where this starts to change is in Kingdom Hearts II where Roxas physically holds two independent Keyblades (Oathkeeper and Oblivion), and when Sora is given Star Seeker. At this point people forget that Keychains were what allowed Sora to change the Kingdom Key to any of the other Keyblades at his disposal, even the menus used to change weapons doesn't say "Would you like to use -insert keychain name here- to change the Kingdom Key to -insert keyblade name here-?"

The entire process of changing your Keyblade was forgotten during and after the original Kingdom Hearts. I know it's non-cannon, but even the battle with Lingering Sentiment (Terra) explains how he can change his Keyblade (Enigma) into all those different forms. He's simply changing the Keychain (if there is one visible in KHII:FM+).

Beyond that Master Xehanort can change his Keyblade's form at will and it has a chain, perhaps that's the explaination to the entire thing? Just my two cents.

--[[User:SnoweyShadow|SnoweyShadow]] 15:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

==Trivia section==
{{TNE|text=In the trivia section, two pieces of information are related to the Kingdom Key. Should I proceed to move them, or should I leave them here ?}}

== Fragile? ==

In the secret ending for BBS when Ven was frozen and thrown off of a cliff, his keyblade shattered when it made impact to the rocks, right? Does that mean that even the keyblades Sora and co. use can be broken too? Or does it have something to do with the lack of keychains?--[[User:Tatsujun|Tatsujun]] 11:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)Tatsujun

or the way ven was frozen "and thrown off a cliff"
:It's possible that the metal of the blade was left very brittle by suddenly being cooled to an extremely low temperature.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 00:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

"and thrown off a cliff"

{{TNE|blahtext=Freezing something and throwing it off a cliff makes it weaker. Common sense, guys.}}

how many times have you been thrown off a cliff this morning.Me=42

{{TNE|blahtext=If you're talking about my emotions, '''seventy-seven times'''. Not to mention '''frozen, thrown and shattered'''.}}

Good times,Good times...

{{TNE|blahtext=Count your lucky stars for those good times. Because today is Mother's Day and it's the first Mother's Day I'm celebrating without mom. It's a pity Yuffie doesn't really have a sad face - 'else I'd be bawling by now.}}

so that means in normal circumstances the keyblades are indestructible?

{{TNE|text=Well, after the harsh treatment of the Kingdom Key during the fight with Sora and Roxas, yes.}}

I know it may be for cinematic effects, but if Ven was frozen solid and rendered unable to fight, wouldn't his keyblade be dismissed? That would save them the trouble of having a broken keyblade.--[[Special:Contributions/121.54.92.102|121.54.92.102]] 10:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Stolen ==

{{KrytenKoro|We need to mention how the initial Keyblade can be taken or given to another wielder. Removed from article, needs to be put in such a section:

; and when Sora and Riku fight the final battle against Xemnas, Riku lends his Way to the Dawn to Sora for the killing strokes.

}}

Any Keyblade Wielder can pass it's Keyblade to another Keyblade Wielder. Thought only some very well trained Keyblade Wielders can use more than one Keyblade at the same time. By snetonobre.

== Keyblade Master ==

Throughout the games they mention that Sora is the chosen Keyblade Master, but ten years prior to the first game (Birth By Sleep), Terra, Ven, Aqua, King Mickey each use a Keyblade. So is Sora just chosen for the Kingdom Key or what?

It means Sora is the chosen wielder of the Keyblade from the Realm of Light. [[User:JudgmentDay95|JudgmentDay95]] 19:56 13 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=But then that would bring to mind where the other Keyblades come from and what purpose they have. If Sora's Keyblade is the Keyblade of Light, then why do Terra, Ven, and Aqua have Keyblades and for what realms are they? Come to think of it, how did King Mickey get a Keyblade before the events of KH1?}}

Well, we know that Kairi's Keyblade and Riku's Way to the Dawn are Light-aligned Keyblades, along with Sora's. A Keyblade from the Realm of Light can open and close the Door to Light. At least, I think. I may be wrong, of course.

The Keyblades of Terra, Ven, and Aqua will be mentioned in Birth By Sleep. I suggest patience till then.

As for Mickey, he sensed the darkness as a threat and left to fight it. He acquired his Keyblade from the Realm of Darkness while Sora, Donald, and Goofy were fighting the Heartless and closing Keyholes. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 13:23 21 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=Except that a preview for BBS shows King Mickey with a Star Seeker Keyblade, and BBS is supposed to be before the events of KH1. Where did he get that one?}}

During BBS, Mickey was still an apprentice of Yen Sid, so at this point, the only Keyblade he presumably had was the Star Seeker.

When the Heartless started to become a universal threat, Mickey left to find answers. During this time, I presume he went to the Realm of Darkness and got the Kingdom Key D. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 18:52 23 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=And as to where either he or Yen Sid got it is probably for revealing in BBS. MAN, I'm starting to get anxious for these games!}}

I'm definitely buying Days, and I'm saving up for BBS. As for coded, who knows? We pretty much know squat about coded, other than the fact that someone named "Them" shows up. Whoever Them is, I have no clue, but he (or she) must be pretty important. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 19:20 23 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=I'm going to get both games if it kills me getting the money. Personally, though, I don't think I'll bother with Coded, even if it comes over to the US, which I doubt, considering they didn't do it for the old KH V-Cast. Besides, if I need to string anything together, I can always find it here.}}

{{TNE|time=01:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=They didn't do it for V-Cast = they actually didn't do it. It wasn't a Square-Enix production, and you know that. Coded would be much different - we all know how entertaining SE can be.}}

I've been looking for a reason to buy a PSP, and with Birth By Sleep, now's a good time for me to buy one. If Squeenix does decide to release Coded to the States, it most likely will be up as a download on PSN, XBLA, or WiiWare. I think it might have to do with the fact that Japanese phones are more sophisticated than American phones.

Whatever system KH3 comes out on, I would like one thing to be included: the chance to take on other Final Fantasy villains besides Sephiroth. I personally want to take on Kefka. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 20:41 23 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=I was wrong, KH V-Cast did come out in America, but TNE was right, it wasn't by SE. Regardless on whether Coded comes over here, though, I'm probably not going to get it. Neither my phone nor any of my gaming consoles get internet besides Wii. And though I've never played any FF games except FF3 and FF4 for DS, I agree with JudgementDay; more FF bosses might spice things up a bit more.}}

Don't get me wrong, fighting against Sephiroth is excellent by itself. However, there certainly are a lot more villains that Squeenix can and definitely could use.

Hopefully whenever KH3 decides to land, there won't be any differences between versions (i.e. America gets same content as Japan w/o the need for a KH3FM). [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 20:57 23 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=I personally would be willing to wait longer if SE would give the Americans the same extra material they give to the Japanese in the Final Mix series. But this has gotten off topic, think we should move this to a forum?}}

Good idea. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 14:14 24 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Keyblader|text=Better yet, why don't we move it to my talk page? I get almost zero traffic there, and it would be nice to have an excuse to check up on it once in a while.}}


== Keychains ==

Hey I just noticed that in the image of Terra fighting Experiment 221 (Sparky) that you can see the Keychain of his Key blade ? http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:Terra%26221.jpg  Most of you have probably noticed this but I just wanted to point it out. Does it mean he gains it at some point or that it was there all along. I guess well just have to wait and see :(.[[Ximodnic|Ximodnic]] 16:14 04 October 2009 (UTC)

== does not belong here ==


*The negative space in the teeth of the [[Kingdom Key]] is identical to the necklace that Sora wears and the keychain on [[Oblivion]]. 

*Likewise, the negative space in Riku's [[Keyblade of People's Hearts]] resembles a heart. 
*Fans argue whether the Keyblade of People's Hearts was a true keyblade, those in favor basing their opinions on speculated theories. However, when Sora talks with [[Leon]] at [[Traverse Town]] after his first trip to [[Hollow Bastion]], Leon explains that the Keyblade of People's Hearts was not a true Keyblade, as it was forged out of six of the seven princesses of heart's hearts, and, like Hollow Bastion's keyhole, would remain incomplete without the heart of the seventh princess, Kairi. Since Sora's use of the Keyblade of People's Hearts was a heroic sacrifice, instead of a malicious intention of use, the Keyblade of People's Hearts unraveled back to the six hearts of the princesses, which returned to their bodies.

*In the ''Kingdom Hearts'' manga, Sora holds his Keyblade to his back with his belt when not in use, as opposed to calling it from and returning it to "{{w|Magic satchel|hammerspace}}" as he does in the games.
 However, it could be argued that both keychains returned in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' because both are fan favorites, and both represent Sora's friendship with Kairi and Riku respectively. Also, Oathkeeper had to return due to [[Sora]]'s promise to [[Kairi]] that he would return to her with Riku.

== Keychains and masters ==

We know that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are apprentices, not yet full fledged masters. Their Keyblades have no keychains.

But Master Xehanort has a keychain, as does his apprentice. So my question is, is a keychain something that a Keyblade wielder attains when they become a master? And does the fact that there are no Keyblade wielders in the timeline of the present Kingdom Hearts mean that the Keyblade had no choice but to grant Sora, Riku, and Kairi mastery?
[[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 03:53, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

So many incult people in the same talk page. Seriosly guys, and you consider your self fans of kingdom hearts. Terra, Aqua and Ven HAVE keychains in their keyblades. They just don't appeared in the secret ending of kingdom hearts II. Sora can use the Keyblade because it's heart is connected to Ventus heart, and Riku was covered in Darkness. Riku can use the Keyblade because Terra chose him as his sucessor. Kairi can use the Keyblade because she acidentally touched Aqua's Keyblade. By snetonobre.

== Keychains...Again ==

{{CLD|text=Just wondering but does a keychain mean the keyblade belongs to a realm? It sorta makes sense(in my imaginary head...)}}

Where do keyblades go when the owner dies. Like if Sora dies where would the kingdom key go?

I think that if Sora died in a fight with.. lets say Sepiroth I think the Keyblade would see him worthy and Sepiroth would become it's new master

not really Sephiroth didn't knew that he only thought it depends if the keyblade master chose a succesor the keyblade go to it<SPOILER>like with Aqua and Eraqus<SPOILER> if not i think that it just disappear until the keyblade choose a new master but this is only what I think--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 19:41, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Chainsaw-like weapon? ==

The original idea was going to be a chainsaw-like weapon? That's crazy! Are there any photos of this?
:Yes. It was also back when Sora was part lion.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps changing both the weapon and Sora's appearance was for the best. I doubt either would have been as appealing. Besides, the Keyblade is far more symbolic than a chainsaw, no? [[User:MezzoDragon|MezzoDragon]] 14:26, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
{{Template:ST|time=22:30, November 8, 2009 (UTC)|text=I found this on KHInsider in a forum claiming it to be Sora's original design [[File:Sora (Early Concept) 1 (Art).png]]Disclaimer: Keyword being 'claiming'. this image may not be authentic}}
:::I hope not. This 'weapon' is nowhere as cool as the Keyblade. Plus, Sora's design is horrible. [[User:MezzoDragon|MezzoDragon]] 22:34, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
{{NitrousX|text=I believe it is. This Sora is both part-lion '''and''' weilds a chainsaw.}}
{{Template:ST|time=22:42, November 8, 2009 (UTC)|text=Good thng it's horrible, too, otherwise we would all be sad that it didnt make it, although i have to admit the chain-saw is pretty cool}}
{{Maggosh|text=Was he supposed to be Cloud and Leon's bastard child or something? Really, the only cool-looking chainsaw-like weapon is Broad Legged from .hack. That doesn't even LOOK like a chainsaw! It's more like a conveyor belt! But then again, if Nomura really drew this, he gets an A for effort - that and being Nomura in the first place.}}

And if Mickey was going to be the original protagionist, imagine Mickey running around with a chainsaw! Anyhoo... Thank GOD this isn't the real design for Sora. We all like Sora the way he is, and not some lion chainsaw dude.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 00:26, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sora's early design remind me of Dingodille from Crash Bandicoot - [[User:YoshiFan10]]

yeah thats symbolic of freeing peoples hearts a lion dude with chain saw[[User:Durrf9|Durrf9]] 02:14, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

== of hearts and heartless  ==

anyone want to put how in ''days'' the keyblade is the only weapon that can release hearts to kingdom hearts?
{{Maggosh|text=Isn't that already established before Days?}}

==Pics==
{{Template:ST|time=00:39, November 9, 2009 (UTC)|text=What happened to the pics of terrea and aqua's keyblades on their respective pages? i thought they were genuine.}}
{{KrytenKoro|They were geniune, but not accurate the Keyblade's of the actual characters; instead, they were the Keyblades of the Lingering Sentiment and the Aqua corpse.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Of course! [/M. Bison]}}

== Keychains yet again. ==

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= Okay, the section on Keychains is mostly out of date speculation based on the fact that the prototype Keyblades for Terra, Aqua and Ven had no keychains. We all know that's not the case anymore. And we really need to clean up that section. So what information should we keep about keychains?}}

== What if..... ==

What if a Keyblade was equiped with a Keychain and that Keychain was taken off with being replaced? Would that change its form at all? Just a thought.

Ookami Hitomatome 22:36, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

and what if you put multiple keychains on a keyblade would you get a bizzare fusion of them?

==About Riku==
Shouldn't we mention that he had the strength of heart to wield a Keyblade back in the first KH, when he just held the Keyblade without it disappearing from his hands ? Maleficent sought that strength of heart. And also, the episode where Riku temporarily takes the Keyblade from Sora is not mentioned.

I seriously believe these should be given mention, at least a brief mention, because the rest of it is going to be covered on Riku's page. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 02:18, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

== Cursed [[Medallion]] ==

It should be mentioned somewhere that Sora was never cursed while holding the Medallions, not even because of the Follow the Wind. Especially because of the manner in which he took Medallions from the Grim Reaper, this appears to be a quality of the Keyblade.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:03, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
:Should we mention this in the Trivia section ? <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 06:04, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

No. I think it was almost explicitly stated that they were spared the curse because they weren't from that World (Port Royal). Either way, Donald and Goofy were spared it as well, as they can pick up the gold while running over stray pieces, and they don't possess a Keyblade. The only things shown to be affected were Jack, and the other pirates of that World. The Grim Reaper was likely only powered by them because it was a Heartless created BECAUSE of the gold.[[Special:Contributions/203.105.95.93|203.105.95.93]] 10:37, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, property of the Keyblade, or property of people not originating from Port Royal ? <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 11:56, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think the easiest conclusion is that the rules of a given world are only fixed if you come from that world, and mutable if you don't. Or I may be completely wrong about that. Raven's wing 12:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
:Well, you still have Halloween Town and Atlantica, to begin with. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 12:06, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
:: Except that Mutable means the rules can be bent, not that they can be ignored, in this case for the sake of dramatic convenience. Raven's wing 13:57, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
:Port Royal is the only place where the rules have been bent. An explanation, please ? <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 13:59, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
and I was pretty sure the rule, for the movie at least was "anyone who takes a medalion from the chest and doesn't put the piece back and repay the blood is cursed" not "anyone who touches a medalion is cursed", othewise Will and Elizabeth who both carry a piece for most of the scenario would be in trouble.however the issue with the second visit was different with that grim reaper heartless channeling the medalion curse through itself, in order to curse the greedy.or something.goddamnit nomura.[[Special:Contributions/71.54.128.73|71.54.128.73]] 00:48, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Should be deleted ==

{{R&D|time=19:00, January 21, 2010 (UTC)|squall=Why do we have the Theories About Keychains section in the article. It's pure speculation and we do not add speculation on the Wiki. This should be on a forum.}}

== Birth By Sleep Keyblades ==

So all of the keyblades listed on the wiki for Birth By sleep, are all the usable ones in the game, or are there more that remain unlisted? Because it does not seem like alot... [[Special:Contributions/75.165.255.74|75.165.255.74]] 19:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

==Keyblade War Theory==
The keyblade war happened between the keyblade warriors from the realm of darkness, light and the between realm maybe this somehow created the realm' keyblades(kingdom key, kingdom key D and way to dawn) at the center of the world--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 23:42, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

==Differing Lengths==
So this isn't news, but all of the keyblades shared by Terra, Ventus, and Aqua in BBS have different lengths depending on who's wielding them. I'm just bringing this to light because all of the BBS keyblade pages only list a single length for all three characters, when this clearly isn't the case. I made this point on the Sweetstack page before realizing it was across the board; Terra has almost all long keyblades, Ventus short, and Aqua medium. There are definitely exceptions and probably cases of "extra" long or short, but I don't know if there's a verifiable way to go through all of them and determine the "official" length for each character. --[[user:tendo64|tendo64]] [[Special:Contributions/70.188.152.9|70.188.152.9]] 23:27, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
:The length listed is a modifier, just like the crit rate and crit boost. Each character has a default "length", and then this stacks on top of it. So, on the whole, "Long" Keyblades are longer than "Short" Keyblades.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 00:55, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Inheritance Ceremony ==

So, Nomura stated that only Keyblade Masters can do the ceremony, but yet Terra does it. Do we have an interview/source for Nomura saying this? And if so, how can we say that Terra performed it despite all this? The way it's written now, it implies that Terra is a Master. {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=5:52am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}

:Terra is at the ''level'' of a Master, which would allow him to do as such. Of course, that's my opinion. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 05:56, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

::Not just in your opinion. If I remember correctly, in the interview where Nomura talked about the ceremony, he said that Terra was a Master in all but name. So he has the skill and ability level of a Master, just not the title (unless you count Xehanort's promotion...).  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:22, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

:::But isn't the title technically what would make him able to procure the ceremony? And if not, could we say something like:
::::''It is shown in ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep'' that someone of Keyblade mastery level can choose a person as their successor, if they have the main qualities that allow them to hold a Keyblade, seen when Terra chose Riku to be his successor.''
:::{{User:Soxra/Sig|t=6:25am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}

== It's ALIVE ==

is it jsut me or does the Keyblade have a form of sentinace? For one it choses its master, not the otherway around. And it gives its power to it's weilder. It seems that the keyblade has a mind of its own (Rejecting Riku and moved to sora)although who ever is connected to it will continue to be connected to that chosen one unless they forget how to use it. Feedback? - [[User:Clarkmaster|CLARKMASTER!]] 04:21, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

== Overclock Tree ==
{{17m|text= Since I can't think of a better place to put it and this is something about Keyblades in RCO in general, I'll just put it in here.

Shouldn't we use [[File:OFinish2RCO.png]] for Template:F instead of [[File:OFinish1RCO.png]]? Since it's the second one that marks the end of Overclock Tree while the first one's more like an icon for MAX Overclock Finisher (can't explain that one). Here's a screenshot for that:

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/the17master/OFinish.png

And here's a result of changing the second icon to the first one:

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp117/the17master/OverclockTree.png
}}
== Merge with [[Keychain]]==
{{LA|Vtext=No.

I think Keychain has enough information to be a sentient article, especially with the additions of the token images. In fact, if there wasn't a ton of stuff missing from that page, I'd nominate it for Featured Article.}}

== History ==

New parts of the Keyblade's history were revealed in 3D, Yen Sid mentions that people forged them to conquer the Light during the Keyblade War.[[Special:Contributions/76.108.148.206|76.108.148.206]] 20:16, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

== A few questions ==

Hey, I've got a question but I need to ask some other questions to clear some things up first. Is that ok? And is it ok if i do it here?(those are some of the "other questions" I mentioned). [[Special:Contributions/97.81.45.56|97.81.45.56]] 19:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

Well, that depends on the type of questions. The talk page is usually use to discuss things relating to the article itself, to help improve it, for example. If you're just confused about something, the you can head to the forums.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, actually, I can't go to the forums, whenever I try to it says "WEBSITE BLOCKED BY NETGEAR FIREWALL". It's because of my web browser, so to get my questions answered it has to be on a talk page. Now, for my next question: the pictures of Keyblades in the infoboxes are renders from the games they appear in, right? and each one is accompanied by a picture of the Keychain token, right? Oh, and I just want some answers so, sorry. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.45.56|97.81.45.56]] 00:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

:They are renders from the games, yes.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

But the Keyblades from KH3D are pictures from KHInsider and lack a picture of the Keychain token, right? [[Special:Contributions/97.81.45.56|97.81.45.56]] 17:53, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
:You're right, the original source of the images is the Ultimania though. Currently 3DS games can't be decrypted so model and image rips are out of question. {{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 20:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

What? Really? aw man. My last question was gonna be "How long until we have renders and pics of the tokens?" but if that's the case... Oh well. Thanks to all of you guys anyways, I know these questions had nothing to do with helping the article but you three answered them anyways. Next time I'll make sure to help the article. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.45.56|97.81.45.56]] 20:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

== World's hearts ==

Whatever citation we use for that, it needs to be one that uses the name, and we need to grab the nihongo from it. Other than that, no preferences.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
:from the Director's Secret Report XIII (section V): [http://megalomanialive.blog73.fc2.com/blog-entry-14.html original], [http://www.khinsider.com/news/A-Look-Back-Director-s-Secret-Report-XIII-4883 newest translation]
:光側、世界の心のキーブレード aka Keyblades of the hearts of worlds of light
:闇側、世界の心のキーブレード aka Keyblades of the hearts of worlds of darkness
:人の心のキーブレード aka Keyblades of people's hearts aka Keyblade of heart
:The 6th Xehanort Report ([http://wikiwiki.jp/kh_series/?%A5%EC%A5%DD%A1%BC%A5%C8%2F%A1%DA%A5%BC%A5%A2%A5%CE%A1%BC%A5%C8%A5%EC%A5%DD%A1%BC%A5%C86%A1%DB original], [[Xehanort_Report#Xehanort.27s_Report_VI|translation]]) calls them like these:
:光の世界のキーブレード translated to Keyblade of light
:闇の世界のキーブレード translated to Keyblade of darkness --[[Special:Contributions/62.159.63.34|62.159.63.34]] 14:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks!{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:28, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

== prominent wielders ==

I don't think this section is necessary, as it's basically a summary of an existing page (which should probably be a see also). Does anyone have a compelling reason we should keep it?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the point of keeping that section, too. As long as there's still a link that redirects to the List of Keyblade wielders article, then it's enough, isn't it?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm all for removing it. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Enough has passed since Kryten brought it up, so final call: Any objections?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:25, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

{{OpenTalk}}

== Disney Infinity ==

" There is also an alternate skin for Mickey in ''Disney Infinity 3.0'' which resembles his ''Kingdom Hearts II'' outfit. However, the disc that would unlock the outfit was only given away to attendees of the 2015 D23 Expo, and wasn't sold anywhere else, which sparked some controversy from fans. "

This needs to be moved to the appropriate page, rewritten without "however" language (exclusive DLC is perfectly normal), and we need a source for there being controversy beyond the person who posted this.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:34, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

== Arby's Ad ==

{{ST|text=I don't know how often this happens in advertisement so I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but I noticed Arby's had this on their FB page: https://www.facebook.com/arbys/photos/a.403194711811.180375.51500251811/10154592036801812/?type=3&theater Is this something we would mention somewhere?}}
:Yeah, probably.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

https://imgur.com/80ZVP12 {{unsigned|KrytenKoro}}

Lol! XD That's cute. When did Arby's teamed up with SE to do this for ''Kingdom Hearts''? I didn't hear an announcement about it. Uh..it is legal, isn't it? I heard Arby's gotten into some legal issues in the past.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

== Memorial Ultimania ==

The Memorial Ultimania lists the Keyblades as:

;Significant relation to the main story Keyblades
*Kingdom Key
*Oathkeeper
*Oblivion
*Way to the Dawn
*Kingdom Key D
*Star Seeker
*Two Become One
*Earthshaker
*Ends of the Earth
*Chaos Ripper
*Wayward Wind
*Lost Memory
*Rainfell
*Destiny's Embrace
*Stormfall
*Brightcrest
;World Motif Keyblades
*Wonderland: Lady Luck
*Deep Jungle: Jungle King
*Olympus Coliseum: Olympia, Hero's Crest, Mark of a Hero, Fatal Crest (Underworld)
*Agrabah: Three Wishes, Wishing Lamp
*Monstro: Wishing Star
*Atlantica: Crabclaw, Mysterious Abyss
*Halloween Town: Pumpkinhead, Decisive Pumpkin
*Neverland: Fairy Harp, Pixie Petal
*Hollow Bastion: Divine Rose
*The Land of Dragons: Hidden Dragon
*Beast's Castle: Rumbling Rose
*Timeless River: Monocrhome
*Port Royal: Follow the Wind
*Pride Lands: Circle of Life
*Space Paranoids: Photon Debugger
*100 Acre Wood: Sweet Memories
*Enchanted Dominion: Fairy Stars
*Dwarf Woodlands: Treasure Trove
*Castle of Dreams: Stroke of Midnight
*Disney Town: Victory Line
*Deep Space: Hyperdrive
*Dataspace: Zero/One
*Traverse Town: Skull Noise (The World Ends With You), Knockout Punch (Hockomonkey)
*La Cite des Cloches: Guardian Bell
*The Grid: Dual Disc
*Prankster's Paradise: Ferries Gear, Ocean's Rage (Monstro)
*Country of the Musketeers: All for One
*Symphony of Sorcery: Counterpoint
*Combined Keyblade
;Entry Character Motif Keyblades
*Merlin: Spellbinder
*Cloud: Metal Chocobo, Fenrir
*Sephiroth: One-Winged Angel
*Leon: Lionheart, Sleeping Lion
*YRP: Gullwing
*Auron: Guardian Soul
*Axel: Bond of Flame
*Lea: Frolic Flame
*Vanitas: Void Gear
*Eraqus: Master's Defender
*Young Xehanort: No Name
*Lea's Keyblade
;Minigame Prize, etc. Keyblades
*Ultima Weapon
*Diamond Dust
*Winner's Proof
*Darkgnaw
*Sweetstack
*Royal Radiance
*Sweet Dreams
*Divewing
*End of Pain
*Unbound
;''KH Days''-related Keyblades
*That whole list
;Keyblades used by dark forces
*Keyblade of heart
*Vanitas's Keyblade (specifically not called Void Gear)
*Master Xehanort's Keyblade (specifically not called No Name)
*χ-blade
*Young Xehanort's Keyblade