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{{Venkix|text= So like, I was on KH-VIDS.NET and I saw FAN ART of what axel and saix look like. Just wanted to show you guys. If there is any point to this....<!--[[File:File.jpeg]]-->}}
{{Venkix|text= So like, I was on KH-VIDS.NET and I saw FAN ART of what axel and saix look like. Just wanted to show you guys. If there is any point to this....[[File:File.jpeg]]}}


{{Template:ST|time=17:19, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=This is fanart based on the description of Lea and Saïx's Whole Being provided by KHInsider.com}}
{{Template:ST|time=17:19, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=This is fanart based on the description of Lea and Saïx's Whole Being provided by KHInsider.com}}
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{{Morghman|Has anyone else noticed how Isa and Riku kinda look like eachother. Besides the obvious differences, their faces kinda look similar, and notice how Isa's zipper on his jumpsuit stops a few inches before his hip, if I recall Riku's KHII zipper does the same.}}
{{Morghman|Has anyone else noticed how Isa and Riku kinda look like eachother. Besides the obvious differences, their faces kinda look similar, and notice how Isa's zipper on his jumpsuit stops a few inches before his hip, if I recall Riku's KHII zipper does the same.}}


{{Maggosh|text=[[File:Riku KHII.png|200px]]
{{Maggosh|text=[[Image:Riku KHII.png|200px]]
Sorry, no dice.}}
Sorry, no dice.}}


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyeNBKTLtQ Happens a short time before Lea and the others wake up. Isa's in the background with the rest of them, so it was almost certainly him in KH3D (just being ''called'' Saix for whatever reason by the journal), not a version of Saix from the past. Ties in with a line from the 3D Ultimania too (p. 429): ''"...perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up."'' [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 10:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyeNBKTLtQ Happens a short time before Lea and the others wake up. Isa's in the background with the rest of them, so it was almost certainly him in KH3D (just being ''called'' Saix for whatever reason by the journal), not a version of Saix from the past. Ties in with a line from the 3D Ultimania too (p. 429): ''"...perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up."'' [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 10:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
:Perhaps, but note that in the secret ending, Braig and Young Xehanort are speaking. However, the character seen in ''Dream Drop Distance'' is not Braig, it's Xigbar. I personally believe Braig and Isa have returned, but their nobodies are also back through time travel. I thought all four (the restored personas and their Nobodies) had become a part of the Organization, but now I'm not sure whether that's true, because the ending puts into question what Braig has decided to do. What's true from the video is that both Braig and Xigbar exist at the same time, one thanks to time travel. So, there's a chance the same is true for Isa and Saïx, no? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 15:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. That's very clearly Braig in the SE, while Xigbar is in DDD. We still don't know what the visual cue is between Isa and Saix, but considering the appearance of the one in DDD, I would still say that one is Saix, and the one on the floor here is Isa.
Also, why would the journal just "call" him Saix if he wasn't Saix?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
::It's also possible that Xigbar and Saïx have been created once more by turning Braig/Isa in a Heartless and Nobody (again). {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
:::I Believe so. [[User:Byzantinefire|Byzantinefire]] ([[User talk:Byzantinefire|talk]]) 17:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Revived Isa is in both the coded secret ending ''and'' DDD, as per the Memorial Ultimania ([http://i.imgur.com/Why3k1a.jpg original], [http://www.mediafire.com/?vf01a910fdv9xo4 translation], [http://heijikudou.tumblr.com/post/99399757598/once-again-i-must-apologize-for-my-sub-par-editing source]). Near the bottom of the "Young Xehanort" column. Unless someone here who knows Japanese reviews the page and comes to a different conclusion/new info comes out, I think it's fair to edit the article to reflect this (until further notice). Also confirms that his scar and the sigil being the same shape probably isn't a coincidence, but that's been self-evident for some time now. [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 14:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
:So we can't put this to rest. A translation of a different page of the same Ultimania, translated [http://kh13.com/news/information-from-the-kingdom-hearts-series-memorial-ultimania-translated here, under Update 2], says it's Saïx, not Isa, who's a part of Organization XIII. Unless their translation is wrong. Anyone? It's supposed to be Page 9, for those with the Ultimania. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 16:11, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
::[http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/keywords_04.png Page 9 does call him Saix], that's true. But the original Japanese from the "[http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/chart_xehanort.png Xehanort Experience Record]" (“真のXIII機関”の一員として、アイザを回収。) specifically calls him by his human name. So now the book is contradicting itself or something??? (I have my theories as to why it wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction, but with the plot being convoluted as it is...) [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 21:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
::Copying this from my talk page, sorry for the repetitive edits: "Just a bit further down, it actually calls him by both names! The way it's written seems to imply just the one being, rather than two from differing time periods." [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 21:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
:::So, what your saying is that Square Enix doesnt know its own <small><small><small>confusing-mess-of-a</small></small></small> story? Square pls. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 21:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
::::Any chance you could upload the image to the wiki, or central wikia? I can't see the imgur from here.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Bump. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::The ''entire point'' of the Org is to have other people's bodies with Xehanort's heart. This is what had happened in the original Organization for Saix and Xigbar, and is why they had yellow eyes. Isa is, by definition, a person that has Isa's body and Isa's heart, so it wouldn't make any sense for it to be Isa again -- Saix and Xigbar are the only confirmed members of the original organization to be successful "vessels".
:::::The line that mentions Isa says "To be a member of the true Organization XIII, Isa was collected." That doesn't preclude that he was collected before the others woke up, then ''turned back into Saix''.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::Currently, the Braig article references him being a vessel of Xehanort in the Story and Personality sections. It also notes that Braig's eyes turned yellow by the end of BBS, when he faced Terra, Ventus and Aqua at the Keyblade Graveyard. And considering that Sora was influenced when he hosted Ventus' heart and that Terra's heart is presumably still lurking there in Terra-Xehanort somewhere, it's very possible that whole people with their own hearts can still take on a piece of Xehanort's heart and become a whole vessel. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Braig (and presumably Isa) aren't Seekers of Darkness, Xigbar (and presumably Saix) are Seekers of Darkness instead (because of time travel), then in KH3, wouldn't we have to defeat all 13 Seekers of Darkness ''plus'' Braig and Isa to truly get rid of Xehanort? Since Braig and Isa both still have pieces of Xehanort inside of them as well (telling by Braigs yellow eyes and pointy ears), then Xehanort wouldn't truly be gone until we defeat Braig and Isa as well, right? Unless Braig and Isa ''are'' Seekers of Darkness of course (Which I think they could very well be since Young Xehanort took Isa in the 2.5 secret ending). --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
:Huh? I don't think you phrased that properly. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Braig was the one we saw in the 2.5 secret ending correct? And Xigbar was the one seen in DDD? I'm just thinking that ''if'' Braig and Isa are not Seekers of Darkness and it's Xigbar and Saix instead, then wouldn't we have to defeat Braig and Isa as well, even if they're not Seekers of Darkness? They have pieces of Xehanort inside of themselves as well, so Xehanort wouldn't truly be gone for good if we don't defeat them as well, right? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 06:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
:Ah, yes. Yes, that is correct. Thank you for rephrasing that. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 19:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
::No problem. It would be interesting if Braig and Isa ended up not being Seekers of Darkness. Xehanort could have them hiding the entire time and not let Sora and the others know about them, and once they defeat all the Seekers of Darkness, Xehanort unveils Braig and Isa. They probably are Seekers of Darkness though, we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:48, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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