Editing Talk:Isa

I went to KH13.com and one of the information said it like this: - Lea (Axel) and Sia (Saix) appear as children. They are speaking with Ven (in what looks like Radiant Garden?) They look to be about the same age. Axel looks similar to Hayner and is wearing a scarf-like thing. Saix is wearing clothes that have a moon symbol on them. Lea: “It’s because we’re friends. Got it memorized?” thats probably the name of Saix's orginal self. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:16, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11
{{Maggosh|text=But it's not confirmed.}}
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 18:19, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=You can't just go around to every article in the wiki changing "Saix's Complete Being" to "Sia" because you ''think'' that might be his name.}}
{{Dornob|time=18:20, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=Heh, even as children, Axel was saying his catchphrase.
But yeah, it isn't comfirmed yet. Like Maggosh said.}}

Well what do you guys usulllay do when you don't know the offical name of something? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:23, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 18:24, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=Well we know it's Saix's Complete Being. So that sounds like a fitting title to me.}}
{{Maggosh|text=We had Vanitas' page named "Master Xehanort's Apprentice" a while back. That was enough for us.}}
{{Dornob|time=18:26, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=Isa may be the name for release, due to it meaning Moon in Sanskrit.}}
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 18:27, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=I think it'll be Isa too, but since we don't know we can't use that as the name yet.}}

Are you going to move Sia to Saix's Complete Being? I already search the name and you guys haven't even made a article called Saix's Complete Being --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:45, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Coccorash11
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 18:46, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=It hasn't been moved yet.}}

{{Venkix|text= I think Doornob is right about saix's original name, but we'll know for sure once the game comes out.}}

Fine do whatever you think is right but what if Sia is his real name what will you guys do? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 22:36, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

{{Maggosh|text=Then we'll rename it. But ONLY then. For now it has to be renamed Saïx's Complete Being.}}
{{BebopKate|time=22:56, December 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=I wish folks could wait until we get a confirmation on this...a screenshot or a release article, or something similar?  I know it seems a little over cautious, but I really don't think we should spread what may be an incorrect rumor than try to get the "scoop" on a new character.

I have gone ahead and moved "Sia" here.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Thank you, Miss Kate. *kisses hand*}}

You know, what really surprises me is the fact that although [[Lea]] and Saïx's Complete Being are about the same age as Ven in BBS, in KHII, only about 11 years later, they look a lot older. I mean [[Axel]], his look I understand. But [[Saïx]] loks more like he's 40, or more. 22:53, 19, December, 2009 [[User:Veroso]]

{{LapisScarab|time=05:01, December 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Hopefully that and why Ienzo is also much younger than Zexion will be explained in the game.}}

{{ITA|text=Actually, it ''has'' been approved. Lissar, khinsider.com's official translator has reported that on the KH Mobile Intro mvie for Avatar Kingdom, there is an Avatar with the name SIA in a Saix costume. Here is the original post. 

"And here is an interesting bit of info: apparently in the KHMobile intro movie for Avatar Kingdom there is an avatar wearing a Saix costume that is named "SIA". Perhaps this shows his human name?"}}
{{maggosh|text=KHMobile ≠ BbS.}}
{{DTN|time=19:55, December 20, 2009 (UTC)|text="This article is about a game or album that has yet to be released. As such, some of the information might be inaccurate or likely to change. Perhaps you should refrain from putting rumors and speculation on this article."

We have the Unreleased template for a reason. If we don't have any official confirmation, then we don't put up what we assume or conclude based on other information. Period. It doesn't matter if KHMobile offers the name "Sia", because this is still just speculation. Did that trailer specifically state "this is Saïx's complete being, named Sia?" No. Plus, in Saïx's name, you should notice that the third letter of his name is an /i/ with a diaeresis. "Sia" is not spelled with a diaeresis, and "Sia" is supposedly the official translated information. Stop arguing about the official name of Saïx's complete being; if this is just going to turn into speculation, then please go to the [[Forum:Twilight Town Library|<span style="color:aqua;">Twilight Town Library</span>]] to make your predictions.}}

{{Venkix|text= Its best not to make any assumptions. I mean c'mon, we'll know his true name hopefully once the game comes out. Simple as that. Because if his name is not SIA then what? All this pointless talking will be worth ''nothing''.}}
{{KrytenKoro|I'm not sure exactly which Mobile movie you're talking about, but if it's anything like the BBS Mirage Arena snapshots, then we certainly can't use it as evidence, or we would have to call Terra, Aqua, and Ventus, "King", "Dom", and "Hearts". Especially because it's a multiplayer game, the names chosen for your character (Even in official videos and snapshots) have no weight to them.

However, the Japanese name does ''not'' have the diaeresis, so it is possible that his Japanese name is Sia. In that case, the English name would have the diaeresis, though. Or, it could just be a representation of the a and i being pronounced as separate syllables in Japanese, converse to how SAix's name would be pronounced in English.}}

==Somebody==
I'm sorry for the incomin' tangent, but are we really gonna rename it 'Somebody'? [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


{{Venkix|text= So like, I was on KH-VIDS.NET and I saw FAN ART of what axel and saix look like. Just wanted to show you guys. If there is any point to this....[[File:File.jpeg]]}}

{{Template:ST|time=17:19, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=This is fanart based on the description of Lea and Saïx's Whole Being provided by KHInsider.com}}

== Kirk Thornton ==

{{NeutraVega|Look, I know it's pretty much 100% that he's doing....whatever Saix's original name is.  But the fact is, the source himself never specified who or what he's doing, hence anything we put here, no matter how likely or true, still falls as speculation.  Anyone here remember the Snow drama on the FF wiki?  It's a given that he's voiced by Troy Baker...even Baker himself stated that he's "working on FFXIII", but because he never specified...the poor bastard who edited it was destroyed.  So...even though we know....''we know'', there's nothing official that confirms the actual role.}}
{{HOO|time=[[User:HeartOfOblivion|HeartOfOblivion]] 05:42, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=[http://www.majhost.com/gallery/maggosh/Stuff/thornton_confirm.jpg] Here is the facebook comment where he confirms it. He cannot tell the name because he signed a contract but he clearly states he is voicing the role.}}
{{NeutraVega|No, he doesn't.  He states he's working on it, ''but does not specify the role.''}}
{{HOO|time=05:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=So the sentence "I am playing the role in the upcoming game." means nothing at all, right?}}
{{DTN|time=06:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=You also can see [[User talk:NeutraVega#Source|<span style="color:aqua;">here</span>]] and [[User talk:DoorToNothing#Re: Source|<span style="color:aqua;">here</span>]] for NeutraVega and I's argument on the subject. Rather than repeat all my points against NeutraVega's view, I'll just provide links.}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= Jessie McCartney never specified the role he was playing on his [http://twitter.com/JesseMcCartney/status/6211849278 Twitter post], yet we still say he's confirmed as Ven on the relevant articles.}}

{{Venkix|text= You have a point harpie. Jessey McCartney ''never'' said what role he was playing either. But its '''IMPLIED'''. Think about it, why would kirk thorton play Ven or aqua? or even Lea? It's pretty much obvious. '''Jessey McCartney'''= ''Roxas'' and ''Ven'', '''Quinton Flynn'''= ''Axel/lea'', '''Kirk thorton''' = ''Saix'' and ''Saix complete being''. why would they play any other characters?}}

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= True. And I don't doubt that he'll be playing Ven. But it's a bit like the Dissidia issue over at the FFWiki. It was obvious to anyone that had ears that Cloud was being voiced by Steve Burton again in that game due to his fairly distinct sounding voice. Yet we couldn't say it until we got an official confirmation that it was in fact Burton. Likewise, it's obvious that McCartney is voicing Ven, but that little detail hasn't ''technically'' been confirmed yet, so it ''technically'' falls under speculation. So what should we do about it? }}


{{Venkix|text= Well true. Then only thing to do is to edit out the voice acting that hasn't been confirmed. that goes for Saix and ven. Since technically it's never been confirmed. We can only be sure of Lea.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Hold on a minute. Look at the message again. He said he was playing '''the''' role, not '''A''' role, when he answer Maggosh-kun. If he was working on it, but didn't know who he was voicing, shouldn't it say "a role" instead of "the role"? This proves it. Kikr Thornton is voicing Isa.}}

==Image==

{{Thomaskh2|text=We could write in trivia that the image is a FanArt drawn by people who have seen the trailer and that a better image will follow. No ?}}
{{Maggosh|text=NO. We have a strict no fanart/fanfiction policy here. Unless it was officially released, we don't put it up.}}
{{Thomaskh2|text=Ah ! Okay ! Sorry, I didn't know.}}

== True Name from Famitsu (DO NOT EDIT YET) ==

{{maggosh|text=Sol's post on [http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/141150-sa-x-s-true-name-revealed.html#post4704346 KHInsider] reveals his true name to be Isa from the recent Famitsu. However, I don't think anything should be edited yet until we have the scans and are absolutely sure.}}

{{Venkix|text=I always thought his name was Isa anyway. Doesn't Isa mean moon in another language?}}

Yes.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{maggosh|text=And it's Sanskrit for "Lord" or "Master".}}

Someone's having a war with us. Someone please make him stop.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:48, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{Venkix|text= Who's having a war with us? Who's ''HIM''?}}

Xemwath.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{maggosh|text=I have sent him a message.}}

{{Venkix|text= Wow! I didn't know it was ''that'' serious!}}

You said that once before. Now, the name is decided for now. If it's wrong, we can change it. And when you put the "I" make sure they have the dots above it. Good thing I know where to get that kind of "I".--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC) 

{{Xemwath|text=Thanks Charmed-Jay.  It's sad some people on this wiki wanna act like smart bitches and act like they know everything when clearly, they don't.}}

EXUCSE ME!?! WATCH YOUR MOUTH!--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{maggosh|text=Please, Xemwath, don't start with me, I just had an incident with NeutraVega and I don't want history to repeat itself...

Regardless, I am unsure about adding the diaeresis to the I. Sol on KHInsider said: "The diaeresis won't be in there since it has no need. The only reason they put it in Saïx's name is to make it sound like "Say-ax" instead of "Sykes"."}}

We'll wait until scans come out. See how they spell it, deal?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:03, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=Deal.}}

Good. Any news from Dilan's voice actor?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:07, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
::I have reverted the move, as KHInsider itself says to take it with a grain of salt. There is no reason to move this before getting an actual scan.
::As for the diaeresis, it would not appear in the Japanese name, and there's no need for it to appear in the English.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:15, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Okay.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:17, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{Morghman|Shouldn't we wait just a tad bit before renaming the entire article after what we THINK Saix's Somebody's name is? (Say that 3 times real fast). I'm just sayin, we've all been wrong about one of these sort of things before, I just think it'd be more sensible to just wait, the game is practically about to come out, then we can confirm everything. Also, I'd like to point out that every Organization member we've learned of their Somebodies so far have had their exact letters make up their names, and since the I in Saix's name has the dots, and the I in Isa does not, they're two different letters, therefore, the I in Isa must obviously have the two dots to make both their names equivalent.}}

{{Maggosh|text=...Didn't I say not to edit anything until we have the scans, yet someone did anyway? :/}}
{{Xemwath|text=FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, Kirk Thornton IS NOT CONFIRMED TO DO ISA'S VOICE.}}

YES HE IS!! SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW HIM PROOF!--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=Gladly.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/maggosh/Stuff/thornton_confirm.jpg}}
::Xemwath, you're about to be blocked for misconduct. Act like an adult.
::The grammar Thornton uses is clearly phrased to answer the question without violating his non-disclosure. He's as confirmed as he needs to be until the game comes out.
::The dots will not be in the original name. They are not present in the Japanese, and are not needed in the English.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:52, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

His name is Isa, then?

I F*CKING KNEW IT! THANK GOD!

--oddishh 21:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{Xemwath|text= Where did he say, "Yes, I'm going to do Isa's voice in the upcoming Kingdom Hearts game.  NO WHERE!  How do we know this is his official facebook profile?  For all we know, he can be doing Master Xehanort's voice.}}

{{maggosh|text=For the ''last time'', he didn't specify with a name because of the non-disclosure agreement.}}

{{Xemwath|text=And yet, you all are jumping into conclusions and have him as the voice of young Isa?}}

But when he answered you, Maggosh-kun, he said he was playing '''the''' role, not '''a''' role. If he was working on it, but didn't know who he was voicing, shouldn't it say "a role" instead of "the role"? This proves it. Kirk Thornton is voicing Isa.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|How about this: I personally dislike abusing sources. If the source will get in trouble for revealing something, I don't like acting like, well, some journalist who only cares about the story. Why don't we remove the VA until we get something that ''isn't'' "I'm totally going to get in trouble for this."}}

It's not like they told us anything from the plot. They just told us that who they're voicing for. That's all. It's not a crime.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 22:27, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{Veroso|text=You know, Isa is not only a word in Sanskrit, it is also the word used in the Qur'an for Jesus.}}
{{NitrousX|xmastext=NNNOOOO!!!! I was '''so''' hoping it would be Ias!!}}
{{Maggosh|text=So was I. But, it's as close to Ias as it can get, so I can't complain.}}

I gotta say, I prefer Ais, but Isa means 'Moon' in Sanskrit so that was my second choice. Except now I'm going to think of that stupid iguana from Dora the Explorer. >.>

--oddishh 03:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

==Isa confirmed==

{{Maggosh|text=Confirmed FTW!
http://i49.tinypic.com/2u8xuec.jpg}}

He also looks freaking awesome, though it's less of a jumpsuit, more of a jacket. :P [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 15:01, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=AND Isa is his confirmed name. From the looks of the kana, it's pronounced Aiza.}}

:Shweet. Can't wait to see what Lea looks like. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 15:04, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=Wait no longer. http://i46.tinypic.com/2iqjy13.jpg}}

:Inorite? XD He looks amazing. Lea has horizontal hair :P [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 15:10, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{unbirthtalk|text=We should rename it '''Ïsa''', even if there is no umlaut on the picture. Saïx is written without it too on the Days japanese website.}}
{{LevL|text=There is no proof that his name is Ïsa. No need to rename the page until we know for sure that it's Ïsa instead of Isa.}}
{{Maggosh|text=And besides, the diaeresis is only used in the pronunciation of Saïx's name, so it's pronounced Sai-ecks instead of Saiks.}}

== Eye color ==

Is it worth mentioning in the appearance section that Isa has a different eye color than Saix?--[[User:Randomnessity|Randomnessity]] 16:30, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Thomaskh2|surpris=Oh ! It's right. Isa has blue/green eyes, but Saïx, orange...}}
Ok good. I did see that right.--[[User:Randomnessity|Randomnessity]] 16:37, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{Ataradesu|time=11:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text= He also doesn't have pointy ears.}}
Thats true too. I didn't notice that before.--[[User:Randomnessity|Randomnessity]] 16:47, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{unbirthtalk|text=That's the same for Xehanort, he's got brown eyes instead of yellowish, but Braig already has.}}

{{Ataradesu|time=11:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=[http://e.imagehost.org/0582/xemnas.jpg] Doesn't look really pointy, does it ?}}

{{unbirthtalk|text=I wasn't talking about the ears, just the eyes.}}

{{Morghman|Has anyone else noticed how Isa and Riku kinda look like eachother. Besides the obvious differences, their faces kinda look similar, and notice how Isa's zipper on his jumpsuit stops a few inches before his hip, if I recall Riku's KHII zipper does the same.}}

{{Maggosh|text=[[Image:KH2-Riku_cg.jpg|200px]]
Sorry, no dice.}}

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text=His ''zipper''? That's grasping at straws if I ever saw it. The only character Isa resembles is ''Saix'' for obvious reasons.}}