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==Untitled==
I went to KH13.com and one of the information said it like this: - Lea (Axel) and Sia (Saix) appear as children. They are speaking with Ven (in what looks like Radiant Garden?) They look to be about the same age. Axel looks similar to Hayner and is wearing a scarf-like thing. Saix is wearing clothes that have a moon symbol on them. Lea: “It’s because we’re friends. Got it memorized?” thats probably the name of Saix's orginal self. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:16, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11
I went to KH13.com and one of the information said it like this: - Lea (Axel) and Sia (Saix) appear as children. They are speaking with Ven (in what looks like Radiant Garden?) They look to be about the same age. Axel looks similar to Hayner and is wearing a scarf-like thing. Saix is wearing clothes that have a moon symbol on them. Lea: “It’s because we’re friends. Got it memorized?” thats probably the name of Saix's orginal self. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:16, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11
{{Maggosh|text=But it's not confirmed.}}
{{Maggosh|text=But it's not confirmed.}}
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"And here is an interesting bit of info: apparently in the KHMobile intro movie for Avatar Kingdom there is an avatar wearing a Saix costume that is named "SIA". Perhaps this shows his human name?"}}
"And here is an interesting bit of info: apparently in the KHMobile intro movie for Avatar Kingdom there is an avatar wearing a Saix costume that is named "SIA". Perhaps this shows his human name?"}}
{{maggosh|text=KHMobile ≠ BbS.}}
{{maggosh|text=KHMobile ≠ BbS.}}
{{DTN|time=19:55, December 20, 2009 (UTC)|text="This article is about a game or album that has yet to be released. As such, some of the information might be inaccurate or likely to change. Perhaps you should refrain from putting rumors and speculation on this article."
We have the Unreleased template for a reason. If we don't have any official confirmation, then we don't put up what we assume or conclude based on other information. Period. It doesn't matter if KHMobile offers the name "Sia", because this is still just speculation. Did that trailer specifically state "this is Saïx's complete being, named Sia?" No. Plus, in Saïx's name, you should notice that the third letter of his name is an /i/ with a diaeresis. "Sia" is not spelled with a diaeresis, and "Sia" is supposedly the official translated information. Stop arguing about the official name of Saïx's complete being; if this is just going to turn into speculation, then please go to the [[Forum:Twilight Town Library|<span style="color:aqua;">Twilight Town Library</span>]] to make your predictions.}}
{{Venkix|text= Its best not to make any assumptions. I mean c'mon, we'll know his true name hopefully once the game comes out. Simple as that. Because if his name is not SIA then what? All this pointless talking will be worth ''nothing''.}}
{{KrytenKoro|I'm not sure exactly which Mobile movie you're talking about, but if it's anything like the BBS Mirage Arena snapshots, then we certainly can't use it as evidence, or we would have to call Terra, Aqua, and Ventus, "King", "Dom", and "Hearts". Especially because it's a multiplayer game, the names chosen for your character (Even in official videos and snapshots) have no weight to them.
However, the Japanese name does ''not'' have the diaeresis, so it is possible that his Japanese name is Sia. In that case, the English name would have the diaeresis, though. Or, it could just be a representation of the a and i being pronounced as separate syllables in Japanese, converse to how SAix's name would be pronounced in English.}}
==Somebody==
I'm sorry for the incomin' tangent, but are we really gonna rename it 'Somebody'? [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 08:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
{{Venkix|text= So like, I was on KH-VIDS.NET and I saw FAN ART of what axel and saix look like. Just wanted to show you guys. If there is any point to this....<!--[[File:File.jpeg]]-->}}
{{Template:ST|time=17:19, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=This is fanart based on the description of Lea and Saïx's Whole Being provided by KHInsider.com}}
== Kirk Thornton ==
{{NeutraVega|Look, I know it's pretty much 100% that he's doing....whatever Saix's original name is.  But the fact is, the source himself never specified who or what he's doing, hence anything we put here, no matter how likely or true, still falls as speculation.  Anyone here remember the Snow drama on the FF wiki?  It's a given that he's voiced by Troy Baker...even Baker himself stated that he's "working on FFXIII", but because he never specified...the poor bastard who edited it was destroyed.  So...even though we know....''we know'', there's nothing official that confirms the actual role.}}
{{HOO|time=[[User:HeartOfOblivion|HeartOfOblivion]] 05:42, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=[http://www.majhost.com/gallery/maggosh/Stuff/thornton_confirm.jpg] Here is the facebook comment where he confirms it. He cannot tell the name because he signed a contract but he clearly states he is voicing the role.}}
{{NeutraVega|No, he doesn't.  He states he's working on it, ''but does not specify the role.''}}
{{HOO|time=05:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=So the sentence "I am playing the role in the upcoming game." means nothing at all, right?}}
{{DTN|time=06:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=You also can see [[User talk:NeutraVega#Source|<span style="color:aqua;">here</span>]] and [[User talk:DoorToNothing#Re: Source|<span style="color:aqua;">here</span>]] for NeutraVega and I's argument on the subject. Rather than repeat all my points against NeutraVega's view, I'll just provide links.}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= Jessie McCartney never specified the role he was playing on his [http://twitter.com/JesseMcCartney/status/6211849278 Twitter post], yet we still say he's confirmed as Ven on the relevant articles.}}
{{Venkix|text= You have a point harpie. Jessey McCartney ''never'' said what role he was playing either. But its '''IMPLIED'''. Think about it, why would kirk thorton play Ven or aqua? or even Lea? It's pretty much obvious. '''Jessey McCartney'''= ''Roxas'' and ''Ven'', '''Quinton Flynn'''= ''Axel/lea'', '''Kirk thorton''' = ''Saix'' and ''Saix complete being''. why would they play any other characters?}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= True. And I don't doubt that he'll be playing Ven. But it's a bit like the Dissidia issue over at the FFWiki. It was obvious to anyone that had ears that Cloud was being voiced by Steve Burton again in that game due to his fairly distinct sounding voice. Yet we couldn't say it until we got an official confirmation that it was in fact Burton. Likewise, it's obvious that McCartney is voicing Ven, but that little detail hasn't ''technically'' been confirmed yet, so it ''technically'' falls under speculation. So what should we do about it? }}
{{Venkix|text= Well true. Then only thing to do is to edit out the voice acting that hasn't been confirmed. that goes for Saix and ven. Since technically it's never been confirmed. We can only be sure of Lea.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Hold on a minute. Look at the message again. He said he was playing '''the''' role, not '''A''' role, when he answer Maggosh-kun. If he was working on it, but didn't know who he was voicing, shouldn't it say "a role" instead of "the role"? This proves it. Kikr Thornton is voicing Isa.}}
==Image==
{{Thomaskh2|text=We could write in trivia that the image is a FanArt drawn by people who have seen the trailer and that a better image will follow. No ?}}
{{Maggosh|text=NO. We have a strict no fanart/fanfiction policy here. Unless it was officially released, we don't put it up.}}
{{Thomaskh2|text=Ah ! Okay ! Sorry, I didn't know.}}
== True Name from Famitsu (DO NOT EDIT YET) ==
{{maggosh|text=Sol's post on [http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/141150-sa-x-s-true-name-revealed.html#post4704346 KHInsider] reveals his true name to be Isa from the recent Famitsu. However, I don't think anything should be edited yet until we have the scans and are absolutely sure.}}
{{Venkix|text=I always thought his name was Isa anyway. Doesn't Isa mean moon in another language?}}
Yes.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{maggosh|text=And it's Sanskrit for "Lord" or "Master".}}
Someone's having a war with us. Someone please make him stop.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:48, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Venkix|text= Who's having a war with us? Who's ''HIM''?}}
Xemwath.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{maggosh|text=I have sent him a message.}}
{{Venkix|text= Wow! I didn't know it was ''that'' serious!}}
You said that once before. Now, the name is decided for now. If it's wrong, we can change it. And when you put the "I" make sure they have the dots above it. Good thing I know where to get that kind of "I".--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Xemwath|text=Thanks Charmed-Jay.  It's sad some people on this wiki wanna act like smart bitches and act like they know everything when clearly, they don't.}}
EXUCSE ME!?! WATCH YOUR MOUTH!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{maggosh|text=Please, Xemwath, don't start with me, I just had an incident with NeutraVega and I don't want history to repeat itself...
Regardless, I am unsure about adding the diaeresis to the I. Sol on KHInsider said: "The diaeresis won't be in there since it has no need. The only reason they put it in Saïx's name is to make it sound like "Say-ax" instead of "Sykes"."}}
We'll wait until scans come out. See how they spell it, deal?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:03, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Deal.}}
Good. Any news from Dilan's voice actor?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:07, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
::I have reverted the move, as KHInsider itself says to take it with a grain of salt. There is no reason to move this before getting an actual scan.
::As for the diaeresis, it would not appear in the Japanese name, and there's no need for it to appear in the English.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:15, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Okay.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:17, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Morghman|Shouldn't we wait just a tad bit before renaming the entire article after what we THINK Saix's Somebody's name is? (Say that 3 times real fast). I'm just sayin, we've all been wrong about one of these sort of things before, I just think it'd be more sensible to just wait, the game is practically about to come out, then we can confirm everything. Also, I'd like to point out that every Organization member we've learned of their Somebodies so far have had their exact letters make up their names, and since the I in Saix's name has the dots, and the I in Isa does not, they're two different letters, therefore, the I in Isa must obviously have the two dots to make both their names equivalent.}}
{{Maggosh|text=...Didn't I say not to edit anything until we have the scans, yet someone did anyway? :/}}
{{Xemwath|text=FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, Kirk Thornton IS NOT CONFIRMED TO DO ISA'S VOICE.}}
YES HE IS!! SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW HIM PROOF!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Gladly.
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/maggosh/Stuff/thornton_confirm.jpg}}
::Xemwath, you're about to be blocked for misconduct. Act like an adult.
::The grammar Thornton uses is clearly phrased to answer the question without violating his non-disclosure. He's as confirmed as he needs to be until the game comes out.
::The dots will not be in the original name. They are not present in the Japanese, and are not needed in the English.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:52, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
His name is Isa, then?
I F*CKING KNEW IT! THANK GOD!
--oddishh 21:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Xemwath|text= Where did he say, "Yes, I'm going to do Isa's voice in the upcoming Kingdom Hearts game.  NO WHERE!  How do we know this is his official facebook profile?  For all we know, he can be doing Master Xehanort's voice.}}
{{maggosh|text=For the ''last time'', he didn't specify with a name because of the non-disclosure agreement.}}
{{Xemwath|text=And yet, you all are jumping into conclusions and have him as the voice of young Isa?}}
But when he answered you, Maggosh-kun, he said he was playing '''the''' role, not '''a''' role. If he was working on it, but didn't know who he was voicing, shouldn't it say "a role" instead of "the role"? This proves it. Kirk Thornton is voicing Isa.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|How about this: I personally dislike abusing sources. If the source will get in trouble for revealing something, I don't like acting like, well, some journalist who only cares about the story. Why don't we remove the VA until we get something that ''isn't'' "I'm totally going to get in trouble for this."}}
It's not like they told us anything from the plot. They just told us that who they're voicing for. That's all. It's not a crime.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:27, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
{{Veroso|text=You know, Isa is not only a word in Sanskrit, it is also the word used in the Qur'an for Jesus.}}
{{NitrousX|xmastext=NNNOOOO!!!! I was '''so''' hoping it would be Ias!!}}
{{Maggosh|text=So was I. But, it's as close to Ias as it can get, so I can't complain.}}
I gotta say, I prefer Ais, but Isa means 'Moon' in Sanskrit so that was my second choice. Except now I'm going to think of that stupid iguana from Dora the Explorer. >.>
--oddishh 03:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
==Isa confirmed==
{{Maggosh|text=Confirmed FTW!
http://i49.tinypic.com/2u8xuec.jpg}}
He also looks freaking awesome, though it's less of a jumpsuit, more of a jacket. :P [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 15:01, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=AND Isa is his confirmed name. From the looks of the kana, it's pronounced Aiza.}}
:Shweet. Can't wait to see what Lea looks like. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 15:04, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=Wait no longer. http://i46.tinypic.com/2iqjy13.jpg}}
:Inorite? XD He looks amazing. Lea has horizontal hair :P [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 15:10, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{unbirthtalk|text=We should rename it '''Ïsa''', even if there is no umlaut on the picture. Saïx is written without it too on the Days japanese website.}}
{{LevL|text=There is no proof that his name is Ïsa. No need to rename the page until we know for sure that it's Ïsa instead of Isa.}}
{{Maggosh|text=And besides, the diaeresis is only used in the pronunciation of Saïx's name, so it's pronounced Sai-ecks instead of Saiks.}}
== Eye color ==
Is it worth mentioning in the appearance section that Isa has a different eye color than Saix?--[[User:Randomnessity|Randomnessity]] 16:30, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Thomaskh2|surpris=Oh ! It's right. Isa has blue/green eyes, but Saïx, orange...}}
Ok good. I did see that right.--[[User:Randomnessity|Randomnessity]] 16:37, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{Ataradesu|time=11:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text= He also doesn't have pointy ears.}}
Thats true too. I didn't notice that before.--[[User:Randomnessity|Randomnessity]] 16:47, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{unbirthtalk|text=That's the same for Xehanort, he's got brown eyes instead of yellowish, but Braig already has.}}
{{Ataradesu|time=11:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text=[http://e.imagehost.org/0582/xemnas.jpg] Doesn't look really pointy, does it ?}}
{{unbirthtalk|text=I wasn't talking about the ears, just the eyes.}}
{{Morghman|Has anyone else noticed how Isa and Riku kinda look like eachother. Besides the obvious differences, their faces kinda look similar, and notice how Isa's zipper on his jumpsuit stops a few inches before his hip, if I recall Riku's KHII zipper does the same.}}
{{Maggosh|text=[[File:Riku KHII.png|200px]]
Sorry, no dice.}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text=His ''zipper''? That's grasping at straws if I ever saw it. The only character Isa resembles is ''Saix'' for obvious reasons.}}
{{EO|time=23:37, December 23, 2009 (UTC)|Lea=It's possible that the amber eyes and pointy ears are morphs of the darkness, as Braig also has this problem.}}
==Age==
{{EO|time=23:37, December 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=We all know that Isa and Lea are a tad older than Ven, and this is about 11 years before KH2. That would make Axel a reasonable 20-ish even though Nobodies don't age, but what about Isa? Saïx doesn't look 20-ish...}}
They grew up together. They are the same age. In the novels, it said that Axel is 10 years older than Roxas. Roxas is 15, making Axel 25. Saix is likely the same.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:41, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 23:43, December 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=Both Lea and Isa look around 17 to me.}}
{{EO|time=23:46, December 23, 2009 (UTC)|Lea=Well then, the years have NOT been good to poor Isa. It's possible that what happened to Saïx is the same as what happened to Ienzo, if his "growth spurt" is ever explained to us...}}
Ienzo is like seven! He's probably like 17 when the Organization was created. A lot can happen in ten years.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
{{unbirthtalk|text=The strange thing is that Leon (or somebody else) said in KH1 that Radiant Garden was invaded by Maleficent 9 years prior the events of the game, so the Organization must have been created soon after BBS...
Or maybe they just ignored that point.}}
{{EO|time=00:03, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Well, Organization XIII would've been created when Xehanort persuaded the Apprentices to betray Ansem and turn themselves into Heartless. When the Heartless took over Radiant Garden, hence Hollow Bastion, it's possible that Lea and Isa were caught in the mix. My point is that Isa is so young in comparison to Saïx. Then again, it could just be Square's art style screwing up common sense again.}}
{{Ataradesu|time=12:30, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=It seems kinda obvious they do age now, with Lea Ienzo and Isa ! As I stated on another talk, Nomura's style is very simple in KH, there is not much to change between 20 and 30 years old. Even the "old ones" still have a perfect skin, they just drew them some wrinkles. Drawing them on a 30 years old would make him look 50 in that game. So I think it's normal we don't see Xemnas nor Lexaeus nor Vexen age much. But we do see that with children (Ienzo) and teenagers (lea isa, possibly demyx). I mean it's still more plausible than a growth spurt right ? :P }}
{{Thomaskh2|text=Well ! Recap ! ^^ Roxas is 14, because Sora has lost his heart in KH, at the age of 14. So, Axel is 24. And, I think that Lea and Isa have really the same age but it's their style who do the difference, no ?}}
{{EO|time=15:32, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|Lea=Exactly. Point is, Axel looks like he should be 20-ish. Saïx doesn't. Nobodies (minus Roxas and Naminé due to their strange births) don't age. However, Nomura did say that Xemnas was about 30, which would be Xehanort (and possibly Terra if there's a connection)'s age. If Xemnas can look that old and be 30, then I guess Saïx can, too.}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= The scan apparently says that Isa is "about two years older than Lea" So if Lea is 14 or 15, then that makes Isa 16 or 17.
And come on guys, despite what Square Enix seems to think, 30 isn't that old.}}
{{Ataradesu|time=11:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text= Where has it been stated exactly that the nobodies don't age ? Then, Terra looks 20, not 30... but indeed, 20 + 10 gives... 30. Roxas in KH 2 doesn't look 14. He's exactly like Ven, so I don't think Sora's age is revelant. If "Ven" materialize in some way (and he did, Roxas' appearance can't just be a coincidence right ?) I think Roxas has his age, not Sora's. I'm sorry but with Ienzo Lea Isa and Terra, it seems fair to say they aged.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Nomura outright stated it. Nobodies don't age.}}
{{Venkix|text= NinjaShiek is right.}}
{{Ataradesu|time=11:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)|text= So it hasn't been stated anywhere within the games. It wouldn't be the first Nomura changed his mind, would it ? Maybe he decided to make them younger (and thus, aging) so they could be like Ven, who was Roxas'age.}}
{{HarpieSirenTalk|text= No it wouldn't. It was just a comment in an interview. I think the games themselves give precedent when it comes to canon, so we'll have to wait and see if BBS clears it up.}}
{{Lvl5|text=hey,sorry if kinda change the subject,but,if nobodies don't age,then that means if nobody kills them,they would live forever?right?or don't get really sick}}
{{Ataradesu|text= Well, Xemnas seemed to think he was eternal. But Sora and Riku answered that by the negative. But Nomura said Xemnas was probably a special nobody too. Actually, he said very weird things, he said that once a heartless is defeated, the heart goes back to his owner. Then he said that, if a nobody is destroyed while his heart has been set free, he might be able to go back to his original form... So I don't quite know. I think the nobodies do age now (even if it wasn't intended at first), because that simple fact can't be contradicted within the games, while the opposite now is because of Lea Isa Ienzo and Terra who appear way younger than their Nobodies.}}
Wait, wait Terra has a nobody ? - Jurrak
{{Ataradesu|text= Whoops, sorry. I was thinking too much of the "Terra will become Xehanort" thing. :P}}
Maybe when a Nobody joins the Organization, they hit a mega growth spurt. That would explain Xigbar being an old man, and Zexion, Axel, and Saix being older than their original beings.--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 22:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=That's possible.}}
another possibility is that some of the members look older because of (physiological) stress, also I think that Xemna's statement was a delusion of grandure--[[User:Foutlet|Foutlet]] 01:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
{{Xhurtemob|time=21:17, February 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Still, how do we know the reason for aging?? I mean... 10 years is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of time... Plus, how come Ienzo doesn't have any lines?? (sorry for the change of subject ;-) )}}
== Um.... ==
{{DOH|text= I don't know if this was discussed yet... but why does it say Saix's "complete being"? Shouldn't it just say his nobody? And for Lea?}}
{{Maggosh|text=No, Saïx is the Nobody, Isa's the complete being.}}
{{DOH|text=Oh...I read that wrong.}}
== Radiant Garden ==
{{Template:ST|time=03:29, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=And of course, Lea And Isa are from Radiant Garden, making at least 8 out of 13 members from the same world.}}
{{Maggosh|text=AND consider that Roxas was created when Sora turned the KoPH on himself while he was in Hollow Bastion. So a technical nine. Wow.}}
{{Template:ST|time=04:07, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Very good point.}}
== Isa's Face Mark ==
{{LOMI|Ghost=Has anyone noticed that, as opposed to Saix's X-mark, Isa has a white almost-crescent over his eyebrows?}}
{{Shixoh|time=08:42, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= I noticed that on the picture that's on his page, but it doesn't really show up as much in the game. It might just be the lighting. I'm not sure.}}
==Diaeresis==
{{LapisScarab|time=07:37, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=Since Isa's name is pronounced ''eye-zah'' instead of ''ee-zah'' in Japanese, would that not mean that his name would be spelled with a diaeresis over th "I" in English? Saix's name uses it, and ''eye-zah'' would be the pronunciation produced if it were spelled that way.}}
{{Shixoh|time=08:47, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= I think you're right. When Saïx is spelled out in Japanese it doesn't have the diaeresis. I would imagine that it would be Ïsa when the game comes out in English. }}
{{Template:Lightblade
|text = I just want to  know how he got that giant, X shaped scar on his face. It doesn't look like ''Birth by Sleep'' will expand on this.
}}
== English Pronounciation? ==
Ok so you know how Japanese says LEA (LEA-UH) and in English it's LEA (LEE). Is it possible that ISA (EYE-ZUH) is pronounced ISA (E-SAH) in english?
I always imagined it to be ISA (EYE-SAH) ShadowsTwilight 18:35, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
== Ears. ==
It says in the Appearance section of the article that his ears aren't pointed like Saix's, but if you look at the Ultimania picture of him, they look pretty pointed to me. [[User:Axel&#39;s Sentiment|Axel&#39;s Sentiment]] 07:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
:True. Wonder if they did the same for the render... {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 11:11, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
== The 'other'? ==
Why must I always find gripes? XD
Okay, why are we calling them 'others' all of a sudden when it's not even an official term? The only person who uses it is Roxas and it's only once, and used through his point of view. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 05:24, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
:Because we don't have any "Official Terms", by your definition, so we are using the closest approximate based on the games.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:37, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
Used by only one person, a term that wasn't even capitalized, and used from a specific point of view....Why not just call them what they really are: Human XD[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 07:32, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
And what do we call other complete beings that aren't human? Simba for example. There's already been a big discussion about this [[Category talk:Somebody|here]].{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}07:37, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
Call 'em 'Non-human' It's going to sound really stupid to label every single 'complete being' as 'other' or 'somebody' on account of the Nobodies and not...you know, Heartless. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 18:37, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
::So, Humans. And Nobodies and Heartless are not Humans, since we're treating that as a separate category. Meaning that "Non-human" is a completely useless and undefinable category. Never mind that full-humans are a small minority among the original characters in the series, much less the Disney ones. And also ignoring that "Human" is a fan-designation.
::Honestly, why do people prefer fan-designations that completely fail in the purpose we need them for, as opposed to terms used in the game for EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:41, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
Xaldin indicates at one point that Nobodies aren't human (using the word human) in ''Days''. I'll need to go back and check for details though.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}19:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
== Him not Saix ==
— Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others?
Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn’t you? For them to have been with Xehanort and the others, perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up. You could say the same for the members of Organisation XIII that didn’t appear in this title, however… I’d rather everyone use their imaginations.
Isa is in DDD not Saix.
:Argh, stop it. The reports call him Saix, Nomura refers to him as Saix, he is Saix but is an entelechy, as is Xigbar. They stuck to their Nobody names as they are part-Xehanort, and since you know Xehanort's fetish with the letter X is prevalent, he wouldn't have them return to their normal names. Essentially, they are Nobodies with the heart of Xehanort. So stop trying to fight it. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 09:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::Also, the Ultimania explicitly says it's Saix. I believe the Ultimania, rather than your interpretation of a fan-translation of a deliberately vague interview answer.
::Also also, seeing as this new "Nobodies grow hearts" thing directly contradicts past statements, can everybody stop assuming that whatever Nomura hints at in interviews, where he's ''trying'' to hype the game, is 100% accurate? He's stringing people along, it's what he does.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
== heres a funny fact ==
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)|terra=if you pronounce 'isa' as ''i-sa'' rather then ''is-a'', then Isa means prawns in Bengali.}}
== Does the secret scene from 2.5 mean we can finally put the KH3D debacle to rest now? ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRyeNBKTLtQ Happens a short time before Lea and the others wake up. Isa's in the background with the rest of them, so it was almost certainly him in KH3D (just being ''called'' Saix for whatever reason by the journal), not a version of Saix from the past. Ties in with a line from the 3D Ultimania too (p. 429): ''"...perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up."'' [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 10:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
:Perhaps, but note that in the secret ending, Braig and Young Xehanort are speaking. However, the character seen in ''Dream Drop Distance'' is not Braig, it's Xigbar. I personally believe Braig and Isa have returned, but their nobodies are also back through time travel. I thought all four (the restored personas and their Nobodies) had become a part of the Organization, but now I'm not sure whether that's true, because the ending puts into question what Braig has decided to do. What's true from the video is that both Braig and Xigbar exist at the same time, one thanks to time travel. So, there's a chance the same is true for Isa and Saïx, no? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 15:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. That's very clearly Braig in the SE, while Xigbar is in DDD. We still don't know what the visual cue is between Isa and Saix, but considering the appearance of the one in DDD, I would still say that one is Saix, and the one on the floor here is Isa.
Also, why would the journal just "call" him Saix if he wasn't Saix?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
::It's also possible that Xigbar and Saïx have been created once more by turning Braig/Isa in a Heartless and Nobody (again). {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
:::I Believe so. [[User:Byzantinefire|Byzantinefire]] ([[User talk:Byzantinefire|talk]]) 17:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Revived Isa is in both the coded secret ending ''and'' DDD, as per the Memorial Ultimania ([http://i.imgur.com/Why3k1a.jpg original], [http://www.mediafire.com/?vf01a910fdv9xo4 translation], [http://heijikudou.tumblr.com/post/99399757598/once-again-i-must-apologize-for-my-sub-par-editing source]). Near the bottom of the "Young Xehanort" column. Unless someone here who knows Japanese reviews the page and comes to a different conclusion/new info comes out, I think it's fair to edit the article to reflect this (until further notice). Also confirms that his scar and the sigil being the same shape probably isn't a coincidence, but that's been self-evident for some time now. [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 14:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
:So we can't put this to rest. A translation of a different page of the same Ultimania, translated [http://kh13.com/news/information-from-the-kingdom-hearts-series-memorial-ultimania-translated here, under Update 2], says it's Saïx, not Isa, who's a part of Organization XIII. Unless their translation is wrong. Anyone? It's supposed to be Page 9, for those with the Ultimania. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 16:11, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
::[http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/keywords_04.png Page 9 does call him Saix], that's true. But the original Japanese from the "[http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/chart_xehanort.png Xehanort Experience Record]" (“真のXIII機関”の一員として、アイザを回収。) specifically calls him by his human name. So now the book is contradicting itself or something??? (I have my theories as to why it wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction, but with the plot being convoluted as it is...) [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 21:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
::Copying this from my talk page, sorry for the repetitive edits: "Just a bit further down, it actually calls him by both names! The way it's written seems to imply just the one being, rather than two from differing time periods." [[User:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#002395 ;">Ultima Spark</span>]] ''[[User talk:Ultima Spark|<span style="color:#007FFF ;">(talk)</span>]]'' [[File:Lofty Fantasy KH3D.png|17px]] 21:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
:::So, what your saying is that Square Enix doesnt know its own <small><small><small>confusing-mess-of-a</small></small></small> story? Square pls. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 21:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
::::Any chance you could upload the image to the wiki, or central wikia? I can't see the imgur from here.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:47, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Bump. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::The ''entire point'' of the Org is to have other people's bodies with Xehanort's heart. This is what had happened in the original Organization for Saix and Xigbar, and is why they had yellow eyes. Isa is, by definition, a person that has Isa's body and Isa's heart, so it wouldn't make any sense for it to be Isa again -- Saix and Xigbar are the only confirmed members of the original organization to be successful "vessels".
:::::The line that mentions Isa says "To be a member of the true Organization XIII, Isa was collected." That doesn't preclude that he was collected before the others woke up, then ''turned back into Saix''.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::Currently, the Braig article references him being a vessel of Xehanort in the Story and Personality sections. It also notes that Braig's eyes turned yellow by the end of BBS, when he faced Terra, Ventus and Aqua at the Keyblade Graveyard. And considering that Sora was influenced when he hosted Ventus' heart and that Terra's heart is presumably still lurking there in Terra-Xehanort somewhere, it's very possible that whole people with their own hearts can still take on a piece of Xehanort's heart and become a whole vessel. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Braig (and presumably Isa) aren't Seekers of Darkness, Xigbar (and presumably Saix) are Seekers of Darkness instead (because of time travel), then in KH3, wouldn't we have to defeat all 13 Seekers of Darkness ''plus'' Braig and Isa to truly get rid of Xehanort? Since Braig and Isa both still have pieces of Xehanort inside of them as well (telling by Braigs yellow eyes and pointy ears), then Xehanort wouldn't truly be gone until we defeat Braig and Isa as well, right? Unless Braig and Isa ''are'' Seekers of Darkness of course (Which I think they could very well be since Young Xehanort took Isa in the 2.5 secret ending). --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
:Huh? I don't think you phrased that properly. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 04:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Braig was the one we saw in the 2.5 secret ending correct? And Xigbar was the one seen in DDD? I'm just thinking that ''if'' Braig and Isa are not Seekers of Darkness and it's Xigbar and Saix instead, then wouldn't we have to defeat Braig and Isa as well, even if they're not Seekers of Darkness? They have pieces of Xehanort inside of themselves as well, so Xehanort wouldn't truly be gone for good if we don't defeat them as well, right? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 06:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
:Ah, yes. Yes, that is correct. Thank you for rephrasing that. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 19:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
::No problem. It would be interesting if Braig and Isa ended up not being Seekers of Darkness. Xehanort could have them hiding the entire time and not let Sora and the others know about them, and once they defeat all the Seekers of Darkness, Xehanort unveils Braig and Isa. They probably are Seekers of Darkness though, we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 22:48, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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