Editing Talk:Ienzo

{{ST|time=02:30, November 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=So who hopes that Ienzo looks different then Zexion like Dilan, or exactly the same like Aeleus and Even}}
{{NitrousX|text=I hope he looks different.}}
{{BfD|time=23:41, November 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=We need a pictuuure of hiiiim. ;_;}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Be paitent. Scans will come out sooner or later. I perfer sooner, but...I don't have a say in the release.}}

== Guard or Scientist ==

{{Template:ST|time=17:56, November 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Although I find it painstakingly obvious, do u think Ienzo will be a guard like Aeleus, Braig, and Dilan, or a scientist like Even and Xehanort?}}
{{Maggosh|text=He fought with a book, a book, for crying out loud, and you wonder whether or not he's a scientist?}}

{{Template:ST|time=19:50, November 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Did you miss the part where i mentioned it was painstakingly obvious?}}

{{NinjaSheik|text=Okay, break it up. My guess is that Ienzo will be a scientist. Why? First thing, Ienzo takes more of apperance of a scientist than a guard. He should be a lot younger in this game. Remember, it is said that Zexion is the second youngest member in Organization XIII. Plus, I'm thinking he'll be a little too small to actually be a guard.}}

{{ShadowXemnas|text=I'm certain Ienzo will be a scientist. After all, since Braig, Dilan, and Aeleus are guards, Ienzo will be a scientist with Xehanort and Even to keep it even (3-3). Also, It has been noted in the games that Ienzo was the one who told Ansem the Wise to build a basement laboratory. Would a guard offer scientific advice?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I dunno. Maybe.}}
{{NitrousX|text=What? I thought there were 6 ''apprentices'', not 3 guards and 3 scientists.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Maybe they switch duties from time to time.}}
{{NitrousX|text=I hope so, those three just being a guard doesn't sound right to me, since their are numerous references to the six of them preforming experiments together.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah.}}
{{Template:ST|time=02:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't know, I can't Imagine Aeleus doin test tubes}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I think I can.}}
:"Damn it Aeleus! That's the third test tube today!" "...." My randomness knows no bounds! :P Aaaanyway, yeah, Ienzo will probably be a scientist type in this. Maybe Aeleus, Braig and Dilan are more 'field researchers', with guards being a minor job while nothing is going on. Guess we'll find out as more news comes, and when the game comes out.[[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:56, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
{{Roxas13khw|text=He will surely be a Sciencist, not a guard. I think that as a Nobody his title "Cloacked Schemer",his weapon,the Lexicon ,and that part of his personality of never dirtying his own hands are enough to make it sure, he'll probably be seen with that gown Xehanort and Even wear. }}

{{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah, I guess so.}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:36, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Still, how is it that he became to LIKE the lab?? Why not make Dilan a lab guy and put Ienzo as field Duty instead??}}

== How Old will Ienzo be? ==

ok, so BbS is suposed to be 10 years before KH1 right?

we know that the events of the game will take place before the six aprentances banish ansem to the relm of nothingness.

i know Zexions age is never said, but to me personaly he seems about the ages of 16-19.

that would possably make him possably 6 to 9 years old in BbS, far too early for him to be a scientist.

chances are in BbS, Ienzo will be a child who dreams of becoming a scientist to serv under Ansem, wouch could make sence. and as a child he could carry around a book, a dictonary, to help him learn things quicker, to incresses his chances of becoming a student of ansem

its just a theory of mine but still.

User~Ixbran

I agree with you there. It is said that Zexion is the second youngest member in the Organization. Roxas is 15, so I'm sure Ienzo is at least 19 or so. With BBS taking 10 years before the game, I'm looking forward into seeing a child Ienzo! Kyaa~!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:09, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
:Well, the problem with that is that this would be around the time he became a Nobody and STOPPED aging. So he should be around the same age, otherwise we can assume the others (who look to be in their early 20s by Days/CoM) would be teenagers in BbS, which they clearly aren't from the pics we've seen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:18, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


Yeah. I can't wait to see him!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:06, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

{{Xabryn|time=21:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=but was never confirmed when they become nobodies, right?If they just become nobodies like(for example) 9 years after BbS?After all Braig also seem older as a nobody}}
:Except we've been told they became Nobodies around BbS. Whatever Braig looks like could be caused ingame, or due to the experiments. We know they became Nobodies at least 9 years before KH though. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 21:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Well also take into account, his Aprentase Xehanort has yet to make an appearance, all we know is that Braig, Dilin, Even, Lexeaus and Ienzo are suposed to appear in game, but no info on xehanort being in the game.

also take into account, their physical apearances. in KH2 Xigbar looks as old as Even, while in BBS Braig looks about the age of terra.

i think the events of BBS take place before Xehanort becomes Ansems aprentace; ergo before they dabbled in darkness and became nobodys.

but again this is all speculation on my part. Ienzo might very well be an aprentace of Ansems, while at the same time if eel he will be too young.

or he could end up being a child genious and having been accepted as an aprentace at an early age, wont know till we actualy see him now wont we

~Ixbran

{{NitrousX|text=I think he'll be around 20 in the game, because after you become a Nobody, you stop aging.}}

:Ixbran, did you ever play KHII? Xehanort was in that. The event where he appears is not long before he and the other apprentices take on their Nobody forms. Xehanort doesn't seem to have aged since that event, which we can take to be about a year after BbS. We can assume that BbS will show us the reason behind Xehanort's amnesia, so we can assume this is the time he turns up in Radiant Garden, so the apprentices will not age much. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:37, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

{{NitrousX|text=In a recent scan, Ienzo was shown to be younger than Ven.}}

{{NinjaSheik|text=Ven is about 15 or so. Ienzo only appears that of a young child, between the ages of 6-8. Zexion, the Nobody we all know and love, is the second youngest member of Organization XIII. He looks about 18 or so.}}

{{NitrousX|text=Yeah, Zexion looks around 18 or 19. Here's a theory: Maybe the other apprentices waited to turn him into a Nobody until he was older...}}

{{Maggosh|text=It's possible that Ienzo is something of an intern; maybe he is a child genius.

Or maybe he's just Even's son and it's "Take Your Kid To Work Day" in Radiant Garden.}}
{{NitrousX|text="Even's son"?!? GROSS! Don't make me puke, Maggosh.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Relax, it was a joke. Yet speculation at the same time.

It was jokulation.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Is that even a word?}}
{{Maggosh|text=It is now. Jokulation will be the new Frindle.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Uh-huh...}}
{{Maggosh|text=Look, let's just get back on topic, alright? I just realized my new word is disgusting.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Whatever.}}
{{BebopKate|time=04:47, November 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Thank you, Maggosh.  I now have club soda all over my monitor from "Take Your Kid to Work Day". ^_^

I'm sure all will be explained, though I'm not sure how much logic applies in a game about magic, living darkness, and people whapping everything in sight with giant keys.}}

== Picture ==

{{Template:ST|time=17:36, November 25, 2009 (UTC)|text=Oh my gosh! He's a shrimp! he cant be older than 8 years old! Maybe Nobodies do age.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=That wasn't very nice. It took ten years before the game and who knows long the Organization been around. I can't wait to see him!}}
{{Template:ST|time=17:43, November 25, 2009 (UTC)|text=He's half the height of Even. he's a frikkin shrimp!}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Well, he's a kid. He's suppose to be a shirmp.}}
{{Template:ST|time=17:50, November 25, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm only freaking out about it because he wasnt exactly a shrimp in COM or 358.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Aww, c'mon! He's so cute!}}
:Images of Xehanort haven't appeared for BbS yet have they (Xehanort, Ansem's Apprentice)? If they haven't, then we can assume that BbS revolves around his origins and lack of memory. If this is the case then it can't be more than a year or 2 before he and the other apprentices become the Organisation. If we consider the example of Sora from KH and his growth to KHII, which took less than a year, then we can assume growth rates in the KH universe are rather exaggerated. So Ienzo could grow a lot in this time, we can't know until the game comes out. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:57, November 25, 2009 (UTC) (My computer is acting up, it's logged me out of everything today ¬_¬)
{{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:50, November 25, 2009 (UTC)|text=He's the whole being of ZEXION, he's not supposed to be cute.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I think Zexion's cute! To my research, Zexion is the thrid cutest guy out of Organization XIII.}}
:Ienzo's cuteness seems to be a silly thing to argue about. So he hasn't gone through a growth spurt yet, who cares? :P [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 18:57, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
{{NitrousX|text=@NinjaSheik:Who's in second and first place?

@Adam: A growth spurt that big is pretty extreme}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Who else? Axel and Roxas, silly!}}

{{Dan da Man36|text=Wow, don't you think he looks a bit older in the latest picture? To me he looks taller than before.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Take into consideration that in ''Days'' [[Zexion|he]] was taller than Roxas.

Yeah.}}
{{NitrousX|text=@Ninja Sheik:Ha ha ha! I should've known.

@Everyone else: I guess we'll just have to wait until BBS comes out... Ugh.}}

"Hahahahaha, i knew it i knew it i KNEW it, he IS a child in KS BbS.

X 3

phooy on all those who doubted my theory.

~ Ixbran"
{{Maggosh|text=You had a theory?}}

"yes, i was the one who started the 'How Old will Ienzo be?' topic.

i figured that since BbS took place 10 years before the origonal KH, i submited the theory that Ienzo might be a child in BbS. some agreed with my theory, most did not

X 3

but i was right, Yay for me.

im almost alwase wrong when it comes to this sort of thing, its nice finnaly having guessed the right thing for once.

~Ixbran"

{{Morghman|Awwww, Ienzo is a little kid, haha. That's funny. My guess, he's a 10 year old. Even though the timeline isn't really complete, I'm guessing it'll be a couple more years before Ienzo suggests the secret lab, and then about another year for them to become Nobodies, making his appearance as Zexion sensible.}}

== How to pronounce his name ==

How do you pronounce Ienzo's name? '''<font face=Trebuchet MS color=indigo>—</font>[[User:Ghostboy3000|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=darkmagenta>Ghost</font>]][[User talk:Ghostboy3000|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=mediumvioletred>boy</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ghostboy3000|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=deeppink>3000</font>]]</sup>''' 18:59, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
{{Template:ST|time=19:00, November 25, 2009 (UTC)|text=I think its ee-enz-oh}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=I've always thought that's how you pronounce it, too.}}
:Good question... um... well, I pronounce it EE-en-Zo. But it'll probably be something like Yen-Zo or Yent-so. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 19:02, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

{{Dan da Man36|text=I would have thought it's pronounced Yen-zoh (Like the Japaneese currency Yen)}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Wait for the game to come out and we'll see.}}
{{NitrousX|text=I pronounce it I-en-zo. Just like it's spelled.}}

It actually is i-en-zo.
{{NitrousX|text=Yes! I got it right!}}
It's (just like the katakana say...) "ee-en-tso". Italian-style Z.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 06:44, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
{{JFHavoc|normal=I'm almost positive it's like (ee-en-so)}}
No, it IS i-en-zo. I'm sure I didn't make it up. Yay Goofy referance.
== is it me? ==

Or does Ienzo look like a kid he almost looks younger then me and i'm 12...............Firaga44 00:52, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

We'll see his actual age soon. But yes, he does look pretty young...

{{NitrousX|xmastext=Extremely young. I can't wait to see what his deal is!}}
{{Xhurtemob|time=15:42, February 2, 2010 (UTC)|text=Sooooooo young!! Even younger than 11!!!}}

==Re: Picture==

{{NinjaSheik|text=A higher quility picture of Ienzo and Vexen have surface. If possible, use [http://www.khinsider.com/images/NewScreens/Fam14.jpg this] and replace the picture.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Would someone mind telling me where we get these high quality screenshots that were from magazine scans?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=KHInsider.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Are you sure "Obvious" isn't your middle name? What I'm asking is how the scans go from...well, scans, to high quality screens}}
{{NinjaSheik|angry=How am I suppose to know!?! YOU don't have to insult me, you jerk!}}

Yeah, just leave her alone. She knows what she's doing. I bet you can't find a better one! Xienzo
{{Maggosh|text=I didn't mean to be rude. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, and I am willing to send you a $100+ gift basket if I did so.

@Xienzo: Read above.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Thanks, Xien. You know, it's kinda funny. You share the name of my alter ego's Nobody. 

As for you Moggosh, if you didn't mean to sound rude, don't put that kind of comment on here!}}
{{Maggosh|text=...so, gift basket, then?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Stop joking. Can we please get on the subject here/ Also, they pot HQ pictures on Famistu main website to answer your question from eariler.}}
{{Maggosh|text=There you go. Now wasn't that simple? And the image has been replaced, as per your request.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Thank you!}}
{{KKD|time=06:00, January 19, 2010 (UTC)|zexy=when did we go back to the crappy image of Ienzo? And more importantly, why?}}
{{KrytenKoro|The cropped image seemed low-quality enough, and combined with not being a full scan, I replaced it with this. While this is also low-quality, it's a full image.}}

== Aging ==

{{Xiggie|time=13:39, November 29, 2009 (UTC)|text=Here comes a little theory of mine:

Since Dilan, Even and Aeleus don't seem to be any different from when they turn from humans into Nobodies, I think we can safely assume that Nobodies don't age! And since they don't change at all, it seems clear that they were the first to turn into give in to the Darkness.

Now, both Braig and Ienzo change appearance. Braig grows some hair and gets some facial scars and an eye injury. Ienzo grows up a few years! From that, we can assume that Braig turned into a Nobody after Dilan, Even and Aeleus had done so, and I guess it was his "final battle" that caused his scars and facial injury. I think it was his battle with Terra, but who knows :P

Now, Ienzo seems to be around Ven's age (or perhaps even younger!) when Ven and Aqua see him, so we can assume that some years passed before he became a nobody, as Zexion seems to be around 20 years old. So, we can assume that Ienzo didn't give in to the darkness as quickly as the others did. we can only wonder why...


this is not a theory, really, but... it's something :P}}
{{LevL|text=Sounds like a plausible theory.}}

hmmmm,well,like you said,it's a theory,it's possible,but I thought that they became nobodies at about the same time,I think that when Ienzo became a nobody,he got a bit taller,but maybe 6 months or so past since the beginning of birth by sleep also making him little taller,as for Braig,he probably did get those scars from Terra.

well,maybe Ienzo's just small? user:Iownedsephorothatlvl5


As far as we know the Nobody doesn't have to look exactly like his human form (Sora = Roxas), maybe Ienzo phisical age as a Nobody is a reflection
of his mental age as human. He is inteligent enough to be Ansen's aprendice right?
{{LevL|text=That also sounds possible.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=But you're all missing something; When did they become Nobodies? It was ten years ago! A lot can happen in 10 years, inculding experiments that ruin their wholes! Until we know when the experiments took place, everything we have is just speculation.}}
:We know that Maleficent turned up in Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH, by which time we can assume all of them had become Heartless and Nobodies and formed the Organisation by this time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 18:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC) (My damned computer logged me out again :( )

{{NinjaSheik|text=I guess so...Hmm...}}
{{Maggosh|text=Perhaps there was an experiment that caused Ienzo to age a few years.}}

... Xienzo
{{Malevolence Crystalised|time=--[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 08:10, November 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=Im pretty lost here oh and we Made This the #1 User Hot Spot..... for today good going Guys...}}
{{Xiggie|time=12:23, November 30, 2009 (UTC)|talk=hmm... Like Adam pointed out, Ienzo is extremely young and extremely intelligent! so I find that "his nobody's appearance reflecting on his mental age" thing very plausible. But although Nobodies can change appearance (e.g. Sora→Roxas) they still to be around the same age... it just seems so weird to have a Nobody that is some years older than his somebody...

Anyway, although BBS takes place 10 years prior to the events of KHI, Maleficent rules Radiant Garden for 9 years, so the apprentices have less than a year to "move out". That is really too little time for Ienzo to grow that old, don't you think? but those experiments that caused their Nobody-ness must have happened shortly after the events of BBS, or even During those events... Am I remembering wrong, or was the castle abandoned when Maleficent arrived? I mean, she didn't throw anyone out of there... she just came with her Heartless army and overtook the world and renamed it Hollow Bastion...

On another subject, have you noticed how only Ienzo, Even and [[Xehanort]] seem to be scientific apprentices of Ansem the Wise? Braig, Dilan and Aeleus seem to be more like Ansem's "guardians"... and it looks like Braig is their leader... only they have been seen with weapons... I wonder why that is... and I also wonder why Ansem's "guardians" are considered apprentices...}}

{{Lvl5|text=well,all those theories seem plausible,bu really,I think that Ienzo just small,although Xiggie and Adam have points,it might have bee a experiment,but also remember,they still had there underground lab somewhere. }}

{{Xabryn|time=19:58, November 30, 2009 (UTC)|text=This thing of they just have a year to leave make sense but Xehanort was hurt when Ansem find him and it said that he was at the brink of the dead. If Xehanort is really Terra or Vanitas the time in BbS should take some months, how could Xehanot becured do fast make a lab with the others apprentices in less than a year?}}
{{KrytenKoro|Either the Ansem Reports aren't totally reliable, or Nomura isn't paying attention to what he's already put out there time-date wise.}}
{{Xiggie|time=13:26, December 1, 2009 (UTC)|text=If I remember correctly, Ansem took Xehanort "under his wing" right away, and immediately sensed that he possessed great intelligence, and therefore made him his apprentice. If we say that the main storyline of BBS takes about a month or two, then I'd say that Xehanort has more than enough time to do some experiments with Ansem and the others, than betray him, and finally turning into a Heartless/Nobody. Then Maleficent showed up when they were all gone... or something like that.}}
:Remember that it is 'about a year' before. We know from 358/2 Days that Sora was sleeping for less than a year, because all we had to go on was the 'about a year' thing. So Xehanort turning up, recovering and turning against Ansem could take over a year, because we know that BbS takes place, 'about 10 years' before KHI. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:28, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

{{Xabryn|time=17:51, December 1, 2009 (UTC)|text=i think exact words was: "The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death's door some years ago. 
He had lost all his memories at the time, but later showed remarkable intellectual curiosity and readily absorbed my teachings, gaining deep wisdom. Any mental immaturity is surely due to his young age." And i emphasize the part were he said "some years ago"}}

Well, maybe Maleficent took Radiant Garden less then 9 years ago, remember the people who said that were the same people who believed Xehanort was Ansem, also it is possible the heartless attacked Radiant Garden 9 years ago because of Xehanort and everybody assume it was Maleficent because she also uses heartless. Oh yeah, there might be a possibiility that Xehanort isn't Vanitas, Terra or Master Xehanort and is already living in Radiant Garden by the time Bbs begins, who knows maybe he is the reason MX disappear.--[[User:Masgrande|Masgrande]] 13:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
:The people who said that have never, anywhere, said that they believe Xehanort was Ansem. First off, they never actually encounter Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) to tell Sora "Yep that's him", and they probably just assumed the Ansem Reports were written by Ansem the Wise. Bare in mind that while they know about them, they never actually READ them themselves. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:21, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

{{Morghman|This may really freak you all out, but here's a thought... how bout... now don't go all crazy on me when I explain this long theory, but... how bout we just wait for it to come out? I know it seems pretty silly, but I think I'm right...}}

{{Ataradesu|time=00:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Silly, indeed... :P Thanks to Lea and Isa, we do know they age. Actually, Nomura's KH style is very simple, I think it's normal that we can't see some of them "aging", since between 20 and 30, there isn't much to change. If they draw them wrinkles, they'll look 50 ! So the teenagers Isa and Lea, and the child Ienzo, will grow up while being nobodies.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=23:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just realized that Ienzo looks a lot like Zexion does in the [[File:Dawn (Art).png|Dawn artwork]].}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:50, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe the Organization was founded about 3 years BEFORE ''KH 1'', and thet explains Braig and Xigbar's and Ienzo and Zexion's age differences...}}

==Voice==

I got something that might interest you guys. I got in touch with Zexion's voice actor. I don't have any accounts on photobucket or imageshack, but I will copy and past my little chat here with him.


'''Hey Helen,'''
Thx for the email. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but I'm hoping I do get to come back.
All the best
Vince


On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Helen HoDoan wrote:


Hello. I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan and I know you voice for the cute and cool Zexion from Kingdom Hearts. Are you going to voice Ienzo, Zexio's Othe half, in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep?

The message goes from the bottom up. Enjoy. He doesn't know about Ienzo, so I got nothing about it. I'm still talking to him. I'm trying to get an interview with him. Any questions you want me to ask him, better start now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

{{maggosh|text=I got a similar message:

 http://www.majhost.com/gallery/maggosh/Stuff/corazza_upintheair.jpg 

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to take down the fanart on Lea and SCB's pages.}}

{{Ataradesu|time=00:14, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=It's weird enough Lea and Isa got the same voice actors while being so young (I mean, it's OK for Lea but I fear for Isa since he had a huge voice as Saix), but it seems very unlikely that a 6 - 8 years old Zexion will have the same VA.}}

{{NitrousX|text=You possess the email adress of Vincent Corazza?!?}}
{{Maggosh|text=After raiding the lost ark, I better.}}
:Ienzo is probably fine, actually. In Japanese, anyway. Akira Ishida has done children before.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 20:11, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ienzo don't have voice he doesn't talka word in the game--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 16:15, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

{{Rai|time=17:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC)|text= Well, if he doesn't say a word in Japanese, I don't see wy he should say anything in English either. So why is it still TBA?}}

{{Xabryn|time=[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 05:09, January 13, 2010 (UTC)|text=well the answer is very simple: i forgot. beside if you see something like that you can correct it}}

==Relationship to Ansem The Wise==

{{KKD|time=22:27, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|xemnas=(slight)SPOILER ALERT!!!I think this might be pretty important. I was watching the secret video for the end of bbs, and in a part of it, Ansem the Wise and Ienzo come in, eating sea-salt ice cream and holding hands. Is it possible that Ienzo is ATW's son?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Of course not. I saw it, too, and find it so cute. Ienzo's just a little boy, Master Ansem is probably just looking after him.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=22:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=He's very likely a father-figure to Ienzo, but they don't look a thing a like. There is zero chance he is Ansem the Wise's actual son.}}
{{KKD|time=22:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Well, you never know, unless somebody here can understand Japanese. He could be a foster son, or something like that. Plus, the fact that Ienzo is holding ATW's hand also makes me think that Ienzo is younger than 8. But this may be important. something in KHII said that ATW loved sea-salt ice cream. What could make you love it more than sharing it with your (possibly foster) son? Although I even think this is highly unlikely, it is plausible until proven wrong.}}

[[File:Ansem ienzo icecream.jpg]] awwwwwww :) -[[User:nhigirl]] 23:05,January 9, 2010 (UTC)


I think he's neither a foster son, nor a real son. I think, ATW is just being a father-figure for Ienzo, because Ienzo doesn't look older than 8. Put yourself in his place. --Rei. 16:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
{{KKD|time=02:14, January 15, 2010 (UTC)|demyx=I SO TOTALLY CALLED IT! IENZO IS ATW'S ADOPTED SON!!! YESSSSSSSS!!}}{{SLM|time=06:43, January 16, 2010 (UTC)|textSoraS=Definitly adopted son.}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:41, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|happy=He still looks like a baby to ME...}}

== Impressionable? ==

Everyone knows that children are extremely impressionable, it's a documented fact. Does anyone think that due to Ienzo's young age, Xehanort may have led Ienzo down the wrong path, and by the time Ienzo learned the difference, it was too late for apprenticeshim to change who he had become?

If this is the case, it would mean that Ienzo has one of the more tragic fates of all. Led down the wrong path, led into betraying his stepfather, and then losing his heart, and any chances of repairing the damage done. Zexion-Ienzo- probably grew up without a heart, and thus has even fewer memories to draw off of.




Of course, growing up without a heart meant that while he knew he didn't have a heart, it was easier to form a personality, for him to feel pseudo emotions, and for him to learn to emulate the other apprentices. He also grew up unable to feel guilt, happiness, sadness, or anything that could have led him down the correct path. He didn't even have motivation, and had no desire to leave the organization or change his habits. As a result, Ienzo -Zexion- probably turned out the way he did because he was led astray as a child, and then lost the ability to be led back.

Thoughts on this? [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 17:45, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

{{Randomnessity|isa=I don't think it was because of Xehanort that Ienzo became "bad". He looks a lot smarter than his age would imply in my opinion.

I really don't think Ienzo/Zexion was really ment to be a tragic character in any way.}}

even the smartest kid is still impressionable. I know everyone has different opinions, I'm just throwing mine out there. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 17:54, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
{{Randomnessity|isa=I know. I just don't think he was considered to be a tragic character. He just isn't quite made in that style.}}

== "Ienzo With his Adoptive Father, Ansem the Wise" ==

{{EO|time=19:53, February 18, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Where's the bloody proof? Do we have subtitles, or was this added by someone who can read Japanese, or was this mentioned at all in the Xehanort Reports, or even the Ansem Reports?}}Yes I have proof. I translated the conversation myself. He is in fact Ansem's adopted son and NOT Even's. I don't know why people keep changing his page to say that.

== Even ==

{{EO|time=10:25, March 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Subtitled scenes have revealed that Even (pronounced Eh-ven) was and is in charge of raising Ienzo, after his parents had passed away.

http://www.youtube.com/user/strwbrymilk#p/c/1E33DFB3B1C0441B/4/HeVpcdbg-vc

Skip to '''6:58'''. If anything, Even is Ienzo's adoptive father, ''not'' Ansem.}}

^^
I told this people about 2 weeks ago and no one believed me!Eveb cleary states that he is in charge of raising Ienzo.But no one listened to me D:[[User:Kaialone|Kaialone]] 13:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Just hold on a moment. Maybe he is ATW's adoptive son, but maybe Even was in charge of looking after him. You know "babysitting".--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:34, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
::We have more proof of him being Even's, and it should remain as such until we get an official English source, rather than make loose, inferred and unsourced claims. - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 22:37, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

All right.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:46, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

!!!! He is Ansem the Wise's adopted son. I translated the conversation myself. Even has nothing to do with it. - GaaraxShukakuIScute !!!!!!

==Full Render==
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Hey, guys! [http://heartstation.org/gallery/birth-by-sleep/ultimania/bbsu%20042.png.php Look]! This sure made my happy on my birthday!}}

== Voice Actor ==

Do we really need the voice acting section? I mean he doesen't have one, so why we have it?

It's probably part of the template, which is why we put N/A there instead. Also, sign you comments with four tildes, like this: <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> --'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 21:24, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Can I add the Christmas mobile Ienzo onto the gallery??? {{User:ANX219/Sig}}
23:53, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's not an official avatar, it's a fan made thing. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 00:07, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Ultimania Picture ==

I vaguely recall there being another picture here, in the gallery section, of Ienzo from the Ultimania. Why was it removed? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 20:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:It was redundant to the main image, so it was moved to a gallery.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
:Ohhhh. But, uh, where's the gallery? It isn't showing up here. --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 13:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
If the image is "redundant" to the page it should be moved to a [[Gallery:Ienzo|gallery page]]. BTW creating a gallery page to only one image is also redundant--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 13:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:No, it's not. The main article should only contain images that are unique, and illustrate the character and its various forms. The Gallery page should include all distinct, official images of the character. So, if you have an image that can only be put on the Gallery page, you've already got two images you can put there.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:So, should I put it back up? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 18:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
::The Ultimania artwork and the render should be in the gallery, along with any other relevant images we have. The render should be the only image on this page, unless we have other images that can be shown to be necessary yet unique.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, ok. Should I put Terra's Ultimania artwork on his gallery? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 19:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Sure, any valid images can go in galleries. Basically, as long as it's not a direct duplicate of another image, it's fine.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, ok. It won't count as plagiarism if I get the images from the Wikia wiki and put them here, or would that count? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 20:11, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
::::You might wanna ask their permission, we've conflicted with them on image-stealing before. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 20:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Do you mean this [[:File:Terra concept art.png|artwork]] by any chance? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 21:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's it. I'm [http://www.khwiki.net/Category:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep_Artwork_Images here], and want to add some artwork to the galleries, but some aren't showing up normally, have a weird icon, and say they don't exist. Also, added the Terra artworks to his Gallery (but it isn't on a separate page). --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 02:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
::Those images have to be on a separate gallery page, because they are redundant to what is already on the page.
::If they're not showing up correctly, just ping me with the specific images, and I'll fix it.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.102.157|98.223.102.157]] 03:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
::I made a blank Gallery page of Terra [http://www.khwiki.net/Gallery:Terra here] Also, what's a "ping"?. --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 04:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:::This conversation is getting out of hands but we generally don't make blank pages here and making an account here solves the "white image issue" (which will solve itself after some time though). --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 10:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
@@ Line 237: / Line 237: @@
 {{Ataradesu|time=00:20, December 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Silly, indeed... :P Thanks to Lea and Isa, we do know they age. Actually, Nomura's KH style is very simple, I think it's normal that we can't see some of them "aging", since between 20 and 30, there isn't much to change. If they draw them wrinkles, they'll look 50 ! So the teenagers Isa and Lea, and the child Ienzo, will grow up while being nobodies.}}
-{{LapisScarab|time=23:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just realized that Ienzo looks a lot like Zexion does in the [[File:Daylight (Art).png|Dawn artwork]].}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:50, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe the Organization was founded about 3 years BEFORE ''KH 1'', and thet explains Braig and Xigbar's and Ienzo and Zexion's age differences...}}
+{{LapisScarab|time=23:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I just realized that Ienzo looks a lot like Zexion does in the [[File:Dawn (Art).png|Dawn artwork]].}}{{Xhurtemob|time=19:50, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe the Organization was founded about 3 years BEFORE ''KH 1'', and thet explains Braig and Xigbar's and Ienzo and Zexion's age differences...}}
 ==Voice==
@@ Line 244: / Line 244: @@
-'''Hey NinjaSheik,'''
+'''Hey Helen,'''
 Thx for the email. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but I'm hoping I do get to come back.
 All the best
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-On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:57 PM, NinjaSheik wrote:
+On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Helen HoDoan wrote:
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 {{KKD|time=22:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Well, you never know, unless somebody here can understand Japanese. He could be a foster son, or something like that. Plus, the fact that Ienzo is holding ATW's hand also makes me think that Ienzo is younger than 8. But this may be important. something in KHII said that ATW loved sea-salt ice cream. What could make you love it more than sharing it with your (possibly foster) son? Although I even think this is highly unlikely, it is plausible until proven wrong.}}
-[[File:Blank Points 05 KHBBS.png|right|100px]] awwwwwww :) -[[User:nhigirl]] 23:05,January 9, 2010 (UTC)
+[[File:Ansem ienzo icecream.jpg]] awwwwwww :) -[[User:nhigirl]] 23:05,January 9, 2010 (UTC)
@@ Line 357: / Line 357: @@
 :::Oh, ok. It won't count as plagiarism if I get the images from the Wikia wiki and put them here, or would that count? --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 20:11, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 ::::You might wanna ask their permission, we've conflicted with them on image-stealing before. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 20:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Do you mean this [[:File:Terra (Art).png|artwork]] by any chance? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 21:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
+:::::Do you mean this [[:File:Terra concept art.png|artwork]] by any chance? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 21:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 :::::Yeah, that's it. I'm [http://www.khwiki.net/Category:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep_Artwork_Images here], and want to add some artwork to the galleries, but some aren't showing up normally, have a weird icon, and say they don't exist. Also, added the Terra artworks to his Gallery (but it isn't on a separate page). --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 02:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 ::Those images have to be on a separate gallery page, because they are redundant to what is already on the page.
@@ Line 363: / Line 363: @@
 ::I made a blank Gallery page of Terra [http://www.khwiki.net/Gallery:Terra here] Also, what's a "ping"?. --[[Special:Contributions/68.173.84.100|68.173.84.100]] 04:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 :::This conversation is getting out of hands but we generally don't make blank pages here and making an account here solves the "white image issue" (which will solve itself after some time though). --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 10:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
-== Kana spelling ==
-So, it's come to my attention that the kana of Ienzo's name has been updated from イ'''エ'''ンツォ (''Ientso'') to イ'''ェ'''ンツォ (''Yentso''). Notice how the エ kana is smaller? Now, in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz4INip4Xis this cutscene] from BBS (around the 0:06 mark), the kana clearly reads the original version with the large エ. But in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqmEElmQZwU this video] from 3D (around the 25:03 mark), the kana is comparatively smaller than the rest, especially since Even and Aeleus are mentioned, showing the normal-sized kana. Furthermore, [http://kh13.com/forum/uploads/gallery/album_95/gallery_6_95_1401798347_42539.png these] [http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/chart_character.png two] Ultimania scans show the kana to be smaller. As such, I think we should include both kana versions in the article. [[User:Immblueversion|Immblueversion]] ([[User talk:Immblueversion|talk]]) 17:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
-::Looking at the KHBbS version, the "e" looks smaller in the caption, and doesn't fully stretch to the top, although it's taller than the other half-size kana. The intention seems to have a small "e" there, especially based on the ultimania; it's also what makes sense from the pronunciation. If we need to mention that the BbS version could be read as having a large "e", then I feel it would be most accurate to do a ref note treating it as a typo.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
-== Rough draft ==
-*Remove speculation
-*Avoid piped links -- html is not meant to be a funny workaround of lucid writing
-*Avoid script regurgitation
-*Use correct tenses
-*Avoid purple prose
-*Brevity is the soul of wit
-<pre>
-{{spoiler}}
-Ienzo was given a [[Gummiphone]] by [[Chip]] and [[Dale]], to allow them communication across the worlds. He joins in the first call to [[Sora]]'s Gummiphone. Seeing how confused Sora is to see him, Ienzo tells him that it's been some time since they met at [[Castle That Never Was|the castle]], mistakenly assuming like members of [[Organization XIII|the first Organization]] that Sora has [[Roxas]]'s memories. He tries to get [[Aeleus]] to talk to Sora as well, but fails. He explains that he, Aeleus and [[Dilan]] have returned to being students of the heart; when they cast off their [[heart]]s to become [[Nobodies]], they were being deceived by [[Xehanort]] and [[Xemnas]]. However, because he mentioned them, Sora jumps to the wrong conclusion that they are still bad guys; though Goofy quickly remembers [[Lea|Axel]] is their ally now, ending the hostility. Ienzo goes on to explain that Ansem's Code has revealed that Sora's heart doesn't belong to him alone; Sora explains that its likely due to Roxas's heart residing inside of it. Ienzo states the idea has merit as it was amazing enough Roxas could coexist with his original self; he informs Sora that they will use this hypothesis to further their research into Ansem's Code and ends his call. Shortly afterward, Ienzo gets an alert on the computer that says someone is trying to log on using a different computer. He gives Sora a call, learning about the lab [[Ansem the Wise]] has in [[Twilight Town]]. After helping [[Pence]] set up a link to his computer in [[Radiant Garden]], Ienzo begins working to collect the data on Roxas from the [[Virtual Twilight Town|other Twilight Town]] to begin reconstructing his heart.
-[[King Mickey]] and [[Riku]] later visit him to ask about the possibility of using [[replica]]s as vessels for the hearts of Roxas and [[Namine]]. Ienzo explains that [[Even]] is the only one who would have in-depth knowledge of how to create replicas from his time as [[Vexen]]; however, he's vanished, with Aeleus and Dilan having no luck finding him. Any documents they have are from well before he made significant progress. Riku immediately guesses that the [[Real Organization XIII|new Organization]] may have taken him to use the replicas to fill out their ranks.
-Ienzo later calls Sora, revealing the part of Ansem's Code that they've managed to decipher. Ansem the Wise had discovered that not only does Roxas's heart reside within Sora's heart, but two more hearts as well; having just met [[Vanitas]] at [[Monstropolis]], Sora knows one is [[Ventus]], but remains clueless about the identity of [[Xion|the third heart]].
-Despite the progress in reconstructing Roxas's heart from the Twilight Town data, Ienzo is stumped on how to progress any further as without a vessel to place the data in, they are at a standstill. At that moment, [[Demyx]] arrives from a dark corridor, carrying something wrapped in a sheet. Ienzo is surprised to see his old comrade from the Organization, who informs him that he's on a top secret special mission; since Demyx is so far off everyone's radar, he can make a very special delivery. To Ienzo's shock, his master Ansem the Wise emerges from the dark corridor. Overwhelmed with emotion, Ienzo tells Ansem that the other apprentices withheld the truth about banishing him to the [[Realm of Darkness]] and instead told him that he had gone mad and abandoned them; since he was child, he believed them easily. He apologizes with all his heart, only to be comforted by Ansem, who tells him that so long as he recgonizes his mistake, they can move forward. Demyx interrupts them to reveal that Vexen had given him a blank replica for their use.
-Ienzo places Roxas's data inside the replica and sends it to the [[Keyblade Graveyard]] mere moments before Xemnas can attempt to kill Xion and Lea.
-{{spoilerend}}
-</pre>
-{{unsigned|KrytenKoro}}