Editing Talk:Faith

 {{Galexgan|time=01:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=This page needs to be fixed... alot... I'm not sure where to start on it though so anybody else willing to give a crack at this?}}

{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=01:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hmm... It does look like it needs help. Not sure where to start. I guess I'll put in a reference to the Final Fantasy series.}}

{{WheelyRampage|time=[[User:WheelyRampage|WheelyRampage]] 02:26, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Should I add that it is a sleight from Chain Of Memories, maybe have the image of the sleight too?}}

{{Galexgan|time=02:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text= I'm really not sure. :/}}

{{WheelyRampage|time=[[User:WheelyRampage|WheelyRampage]] 02:35, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text= Well, we should probably add that it's a sleight, and provide the info about it. Probably not the picture though. Then again, I'm new to this editing business, so I have no clue xD I'll just add that it's a sleight in that first line so far}}

== Good Work! ==

Great job everybody! someone made this page without adding anything, so i brought some life to it so it would not have to be deleted, thanks for making it great! oh and great job on adding the Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories thing that i missed WR! i know it really is not anything yet but you guys still did a great job!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 21:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

{{Galexgan|time=22:04, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text= Haha, I agree that it was a decent turnout. I didn't do anything but add a comma and period so I credit it to everyone else... I'm going to have to click "random page" more often... maybe I'll find more articles like this one. Good job you guys and gals. }}

{{WheelyRampage|time=[[User:WheelyRampage|WheelyRampage]] 03:04, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=I've been trying to find an image for us, but haven't been successful. Once I gather more information though (AKA Die and summon Mickey xD) I'll fill in a section on Mickey's Holy ^_^

Edit: Haha, oops! I just realised I'm getting Pearl mixed up with Holy XDXDXD His Holy(Holy Blast) is in Birth By Sleep. I'll get that up soon}}
{{KrytenKoro|I guess you guys didn't notice, but the "AddDisambig" template that was on the page means that this page needs to be a disambig to the various characters's abilities sections, and not a semi-article like it is now. There should still be a need for a "Holy (ability)" article to cover the Sleight and the Deck Command, but it would need to be formatted using the standard, like [[Lucky Lucky]].}}

{{WheelyRampage|time=[[User:WheelyRampage|WheelyRampage]] 03:49, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=Ahhh, sorry, no I didn't notice. Ummm, I'm not sure how to format it to that style, but if there's instructions I'd be glad to do it}}
{{KrytenKoro|You just write it using the same format, that's all. Well, hmmm...[[Zantetsuken]] might be a better template for [[Holy (ability)]], and I can do the disambig once you guys have that working.

By the way, "Pearl" is just one of the dub names for Holy.}}
{{WheelyRampage|time=[[User:WheelyRampage|WheelyRampage]] 04:02, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text= Ah, kay, cool cool. I'm about to go to class now, but once I get time and get home, I'll see what I can do.

Ohhh, it is? XD No wonder I was confused. *is an idiot*}}

{{WheelyRampage|time=[[User:WheelyRampage|WheelyRampage]] 06:53, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=This any better? I wasn't sure about the Minnie using Holy/Pearl, or about Sora using it in Ursela's Revenge, so I left those bits out for now}}

{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=21:43, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hey does anyone think 'Etymology' is the wrong heading for where Holy came from? 'Cause I looked it up and it means what language it came from. I'm gonna change it to 'Reference' like I first put. If someone disagrees just change it back.}}

== Faith ==

Please merge this info, as appropriate.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:11, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

During the time where the player has to protect Queen Minnie from the [[Heartless]] that have infested [[Disney Castle]], more specifically, the '''Throne Room''', the player will have access to use Faith. The Reaction Command appears if you stay with Minnie for a little while. It is especially effective as one or two blasts can destroy large numbers of Heartless, and, although it appears to be a spell, it consumes no MP. It is presumably of the light attribute, though this is not made especially clear.

Faith takes the form of a large blast of pink and white light, and is able to vanquish all Heartless in the immediate area, though it does not prevent more from spawning. Sora jumps in the air, raises his Keyblade, and says "Let's go!". Minnie ascends a few feet and a column of swirling white light appears around her, she then says "Light!". There is a huge white explosion and a white shock wave is sent out from the base of the column.
:Thanks for "notifying" about the merge ''after'' it was done. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 16:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
::The hell? It's been up for discussion for weeks. They shouldn't have even had separate pages in the first place.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, I saw the discussion [[Talk:Faith|at the talk page.]] Thanks! '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 16:58, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Mickey's Attacks. ==

I think Mickey's attack such as D-Pearl or his sleight on Re:CoM Reverse/Rebirth mode can be considered Holy element? And when he cures Sora using the power of Light, should that be considered Cure spell or Holy spell? [[User:17master|17master]] 16:15, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Bloody hell ==

Fine, I'll go through point by point and explain why I reverted that edit:

#This article has pretty much all-needed info besides the recipes for BBS. See [[Lucky Lucky]] for what a completed ability article should look like. The lead could be touched up some, and we need to verify exactly what Mickey and Minnie's orbs are called, but the rest of this is unnecessary right from the get go.
#The Angel Star section is completely irrelevant to the actual Holy ''ability''.
#The CoM section should be part of the description at the beginning.
#THERE ARE TWO COM SECTIONS. AND THEY CONSIST ALMOST ENTIRELY OF WAFFLING.
#The KHII section should go in the lead, as with the CoM. The pearls - it needs to be verified what their name is. If it's not called Holy, just Holy, IT DOESN'T GO ON THIS PAGE.
#The Days section is empty.
#The Etymology from the Germanic language is not at all what we want here. We want where the name of '''''this''''' ability came from, the '''immediate''' history of the word - it came from Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy wiki can deal with the Germanic bit if they want to.
#The Trivia is on the whole idiotic. Holy is a first-level spell, like Fire - and that trivia bit is the worst worded pile of nonsense I've seen. Holy is ''absolutely not'' the only spell to have multiple renderings. Several things have had different translations throughout the series. The Faith bit is completely irrelevant to this page. Roxas's ability is called "Event Horizon" and "Magic Hour", not Holy - yes, it looks somewhat like Holy, BECAUSE IT'S MADE OF LIGHT.

[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:10, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wow.... not trying to sound disrespectfull and i know where your coming from but.... Kryten......your kinda sounding like an angry asshole, pardon my language and i am really not trying to insult you in anyway.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 18:05, September 23, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman
:...because someone added a gigantic mess to the page ''twice'', then went and complained about me reverting it to another admin. Yes, I'm annoyed, I didn't want to waste my time doing a point-by-point refutal.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:22, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Move ==

Shouldn't this be moved to [[Faith]]? It's the name used in the most games. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:Depends. If we want to go with the name found in the first game it appeared, it would remain [[Holy]]. If we want to go with the majority of games, [[Faith]] would be the name. Taking a look at another article, [[Guard]] is called so in its first appearance but the majority (4 vs 3) uses "Block". I'm not sure what the policy is here. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::It should be the term of which it first appeared in. That makes the most sense. Like, say Sora. If they change Sora's name to Blade in the next game, should Sora's name be changed to that too? It would say, "Sora, or Blade in KHIII". {{User: Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 16:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::That doesn't help the decision between "first game / majority game". If Sora was named Blade in KHII, it would not be the first game and it would not be a majority name. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Over the IRC, Pea explained to me how it works. The japanese name ホーリー (Hori), the katakana of "Holy". Since "Hori" is used in every game so far, we take "Holy" to be the most stable name and use that for the page name. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:So, [[Treasure Magnet]] should be moved to [[Draw]] and [[Experience Boost]] to [[EXP Chance]], right? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:23, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::I would think, yes. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:::It's whichever localization is the most recent, under the principle that, as time goes on, Square Enix improves its localization staff. (If the series was instead something like Digimon, where as time goes on the localization staff ''goes off the deep end'', we'd use the first production name for lineage sake.){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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-{{Galexgan|time=01:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=This page needs to be fixed... alot... I'm not sure where to start on it though so anybody else willing to give a crack at this?}}
+ {{Galexgan|time=01:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=This page needs to be fixed... alot... I'm not sure where to start on it though so anybody else willing to give a crack at this?}}
 {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=01:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hmm... It does look like it needs help. Not sure where to start. I guess I'll put in a reference to the Final Fantasy series.}}
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 Shouldn't this be moved to [[Faith]]? It's the name used in the most games. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 :Depends. If we want to go with the name found in the first game it appeared, it would remain [[Holy]]. If we want to go with the majority of games, [[Faith]] would be the name. Taking a look at another article, [[Guard]] is called so in its first appearance but the majority (4 vs 3) uses "Block". I'm not sure what the policy is here. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
-::It should be the term of which it first appeared in. That makes the most sense. Like, say Sora. If they change Sora's name to Blade in the next game, should Sora's name be changed to that too? It would say, "Sora, or Blade in KHIII". {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 16:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
+::It should be the term of which it first appeared in. That makes the most sense. Like, say Sora. If they change Sora's name to Blade in the next game, should Sora's name be changed to that too? It would say, "Sora, or Blade in KHIII". {{User: Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 16:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 :::That doesn't help the decision between "first game / majority game". If Sora was named Blade in KHII, it would not be the first game and it would not be a majority name. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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 ::I would think, yes. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 :::It's whichever localization is the most recent, under the principle that, as time goes on, Square Enix improves its localization staff. (If the series was instead something like Digimon, where as time goes on the localization staff ''goes off the deep end'', we'd use the first production name for lineage sake.){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
-::::So, which is considered the most recent, DDD or 1.5? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 09:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
-:::::Technically, 1.5. This wiki seems to be coated in 1.5 anyway. {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}}
-::::::But since 1.5 is a remake, I'm not sure it counts as the most recent localization. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
-Agreed. 1.5 is a remake, so KH3D counts as the most recent. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
-== Localization ==
-"Faith, sometimes localized as Holy or Pearl" is inaccurate. It is called "Holy" in all instances of its appearance in the original Japanese, and then it is either translated accurately as "Holy" or localized/censored as "Faith" or "Pearl" depending on the game. --[[Special:Contributions/102.182.230.106|102.182.230.106]] 20:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-:We use the most recent translation as the standard name, with names in other games mentioned after that. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-::I'm aware, but the current description is still misleading and inaccurate. "Faith, originally translated as Holy or sometimes additionally localized as Pearl" or something smoother along those lines is a more fitting description. I also feel like it's worth mentioning in the "Origin" section that "Pearl" is an allusion to Holy's censored name in Final Fantasy VI. --[[Special:Contributions/102.182.230.106|102.182.230.106]] 02:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
-:::That sentence is a bit long. Maybe something like "Faith, also called Holy or Pearl". The infobox on the right already shows that Holy is the literal translation, so we don't have to specifically mention that. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 08:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
-::::I think that would work nicely, though perhaps so. --[[Special:Contributions/102.182.230.106|102.182.230.106]] 10:58, 24 February 2023 (UTC)