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| {{Galexgan|time=01:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=This page needs to be fixed... alot... I'm not sure where to start on it though so anybody else willing to give a crack at this?}} | | {{Galexgan|time=01:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=This page needs to be fixed... alot... I'm not sure where to start on it though so anybody else willing to give a crack at this?}} |
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=01:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hmm... It does look like it needs help. Not sure where to start. I guess I'll put in a reference to the Final Fantasy series.}} | | {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=01:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hmm... It does look like it needs help. Not sure where to start. I guess I'll put in a reference to the Final Fantasy series.}} |
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| I think Mickey's attack such as D-Pearl or his sleight on Re:CoM Reverse/Rebirth mode can be considered Holy element? And when he cures Sora using the power of Light, should that be considered Cure spell or Holy spell? [[User:17master|17master]] 16:15, September 19, 2010 (UTC) | | I think Mickey's attack such as D-Pearl or his sleight on Re:CoM Reverse/Rebirth mode can be considered Holy element? And when he cures Sora using the power of Light, should that be considered Cure spell or Holy spell? [[User:17master|17master]] 16:15, September 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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| == Bloody hell ==
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| Fine, I'll go through point by point and explain why I reverted that edit:
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| #This article has pretty much all-needed info besides the recipes for BBS. See [[Lucky Lucky]] for what a completed ability article should look like. The lead could be touched up some, and we need to verify exactly what Mickey and Minnie's orbs are called, but the rest of this is unnecessary right from the get go.
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| #The Angel Star section is completely irrelevant to the actual Holy ''ability''.
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| #The CoM section should be part of the description at the beginning.
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| #THERE ARE TWO COM SECTIONS. AND THEY CONSIST ALMOST ENTIRELY OF WAFFLING.
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| #The KHII section should go in the lead, as with the CoM. The pearls - it needs to be verified what their name is. If it's not called Holy, just Holy, IT DOESN'T GO ON THIS PAGE.
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| #The Days section is empty.
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| #The Etymology from the Germanic language is not at all what we want here. We want where the name of '''''this''''' ability came from, the '''immediate''' history of the word - it came from Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy wiki can deal with the Germanic bit if they want to.
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| #The Trivia is on the whole idiotic. Holy is a first-level spell, like Fire - and that trivia bit is the worst worded pile of nonsense I've seen. Holy is ''absolutely not'' the only spell to have multiple renderings. Several things have had different translations throughout the series. The Faith bit is completely irrelevant to this page. Roxas's ability is called "Event Horizon" and "Magic Hour", not Holy - yes, it looks somewhat like Holy, BECAUSE IT'S MADE OF LIGHT.
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| [[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:10, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| Wow.... not trying to sound disrespectfull and i know where your coming from but.... Kryten......your kinda sounding like an angry asshole, pardon my language and i am really not trying to insult you in anyway.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 18:05, September 23, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman
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| :...because someone added a gigantic mess to the page ''twice'', then went and complained about me reverting it to another admin. Yes, I'm annoyed, I didn't want to waste my time doing a point-by-point refutal.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:22, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Move ==
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| Shouldn't this be moved to [[Faith]]? It's the name used in the most games. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| :Depends. If we want to go with the name found in the first game it appeared, it would remain [[Holy]]. If we want to go with the majority of games, [[Faith]] would be the name. Taking a look at another article, [[Guard]] is called so in its first appearance but the majority (4 vs 3) uses "Block". I'm not sure what the policy is here. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| ::It should be the term of which it first appeared in. That makes the most sense. Like, say Sora. If they change Sora's name to Blade in the next game, should Sora's name be changed to that too? It would say, "Sora, or Blade in KHIII". {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 16:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| :::That doesn't help the decision between "first game / majority game". If Sora was named Blade in KHII, it would not be the first game and it would not be a majority name. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| Over the IRC, Pea explained to me how it works. The japanese name ホーリー (Hori), the katakana of "Holy". Since "Hori" is used in every game so far, we take "Holy" to be the most stable name and use that for the page name. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| :So, [[Treasure Magnet]] should be moved to [[Draw]] and [[Experience Boost]] to [[EXP Chance]], right? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:23, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| ::I would think, yes. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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| :::It's whichever localization is the most recent, under the principle that, as time goes on, Square Enix improves its localization staff. (If the series was instead something like Digimon, where as time goes on the localization staff ''goes off the deep end'', we'd use the first production name for lineage sake.){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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| ::::So, which is considered the most recent, DDD or 1.5? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 09:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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| :::::Technically, 1.5. This wiki seems to be coated in 1.5 anyway. {{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}}
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| ::::::But since 1.5 is a remake, I'm not sure it counts as the most recent localization. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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| Agreed. 1.5 is a remake, so KH3D counts as the most recent. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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| == Localization ==
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| "Faith, sometimes localized as Holy or Pearl" is inaccurate. It is called "Holy" in all instances of its appearance in the original Japanese, and then it is either translated accurately as "Holy" or localized/censored as "Faith" or "Pearl" depending on the game. --[[Special:Contributions/102.182.230.106|102.182.230.106]] 20:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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| :We use the most recent translation as the standard name, with names in other games mentioned after that. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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| ::I'm aware, but the current description is still misleading and inaccurate. "Faith, originally translated as Holy or sometimes additionally localized as Pearl" or something smoother along those lines is a more fitting description. I also feel like it's worth mentioning in the "Origin" section that "Pearl" is an allusion to Holy's censored name in Final Fantasy VI. --[[Special:Contributions/102.182.230.106|102.182.230.106]] 02:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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| :::That sentence is a bit long. Maybe something like "Faith, also called Holy or Pearl". The infobox on the right already shows that Holy is the literal translation, so we don't have to specifically mention that. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 08:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::I think that would work nicely, though perhaps so. --[[Special:Contributions/102.182.230.106|102.182.230.106]] 10:58, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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