Editing Talk:Eraqus

==Cyan?==
This guys might remind people of Cyan. Probably in due to his Samurai theme and his hair and facial hair

==Name==
{{Template:ST|time=16:24, October 14, 2009 (UTC)|text=Now I have to ask, is Erauqs his confirmed name or is it speculation?}}

find someone not lazy to translate famitsu.

..Wow. And I thought Yen Sid was bad... at least that sounds kind of like a mystical name. This is just awful. [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 16:45, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

{{NeutraVega|Speculation.  And I think this shit really needs to end...}}
{{TNE|time=00:27, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=@NeutraVega : We can always '''move''' the article accordingly if we need to. One thing's for sure : for now, this thing ain't moving, because we '''are''' having that character in BBS.}}
{{NeutraVega|I never said that.  I just said there's not enough to go on for the time being.  The page is a space waster filled with brainless speculation.}}

{{TNE|time=02:27, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=Believe me, we didn't have enough on Master Xehanort's apprentice at one time. You'd have called it a space waster too. But why the hell am I dealing with you ? I think I should just leave it to Kryten to do as he sees fit. He's the admin anyway, and he knows a lot better.}}

==Wha?==
Why remove the reference. It's true D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 17:11, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
:According to who? We have the stuff about Reno on Axel's page because Nomura has outright confirmed it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:32, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay? Someone else left the Terra-to-Zack reference and no one seems to mind about that. Matter of fact, he's not the only one. There's also Vexen-to-Hojo as well so might as well remove those too. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 17:45, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
:Will do.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Only there is another other problem: the Final Fantasy wiki acknowledges these comparisons and keeps them in the articles. With the resemblances being painfully obvious, why would you need to remove them? This series is part Square-Enix after all. So while actual FF cameos aren't making any appearances, new characters modeled after FF ones are showing up. So why the remove just because of a lack of confirmation? We don't need to have a confirmation to know how blatantly obvious it is.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 18:03, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
:The problem is that while it's clear he has FF influence, it is also clear that we don't exactly know what that influence is, exactly. It's blatant enough from his name that he's some kind of FF guy, let's leave it at that for now. We really shouldn't be ''encouraging'' speculation.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:32, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

So you wanted the reference removed just because you didn't know even though someone else did? |:/ [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 01:00, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
::Remember your Riku example? Especially since we don't know anything about this guy besides appearance, it's ''really'' iffy to be claiming any basis right now.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:29, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

....Go straight to the Final Fantasy wiki and start lookin' up characters BEFORE FFVII. It seems pretty evident that nearly no one on here has actually played any FF games prior to VII. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 01:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:Um, ''I'' have, no need for the tone. And how is he like Cyan, exactly, given what we know at the moment? They're both samurai, and...um...gee. They are ''so'' alike, my god.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 01:40, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Similar build and facial features. It's not that hard at all. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 02:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

== Okay...Yeah.  Delete his page... ==

{{NeutraVega|Where to start...  First off, his name....BULLSHIT!  It's a friggin guessing game since his name hasn't even been romanized; hell, there are countless more SENSIBLE ways to romanize it.  That said...why do I get the feeling the current romanization is just some bullshit fanboy fanatasy JUST to get a "square" anagram out of his name?  And lastly...there's just NOT ENOUGH crap on the guy to create a concrete page.  I think this page is in need of an epic deletion until we have more LOGICAL information...}}
{{TNE|time=00:24, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=We're '''not''' removing it; that thing would've already been romanised in the guidebook. We'll just wait for the cue from GS or from Xion4ever or even Xiggie. Now sneck up !}}
{{NeutraVega|This is nonsense. It's a free invitation for the most retarded forms of fanboy speculation.}}
{{TNE|time=00:30, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm pretty sure you'd have said the same thing about Terra, or Aqua, or even Ven, when it was first written.}}
{{KrytenKoro|...He has a parallel role to Yen Sid, he's the penultimate Square character, he has "Master" as part of his title...every other character with "Master" has an anagram for a name. It's ''retardedly'' obvious what his name is.}}
{{TNE|time=00:32, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=<big><big><big>'''HAHA ! SEE ! SEE !'''</big></big></big>

Pardon me for being so painfully cruel, but I'm in the midst of smashing 'im up.}}
[http://marunao2.blog120.fc2.com/ The Japanese fansites are going to the trouble of spelling it out]. To be fair though, they think that an X fits in there somehow, turning it from a Yen Sid analogue to something of an Organization precursor. Then again...we know Xemnas is descended from this group, it would make sense for him to get the idea somewhere. I just don't see how they fit the x there, it sounds like coughing.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:Oh well, We're getting multiple hits for Erauqxs from several Japanese news-sites. Move?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:36, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|time=00:40, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|text=Aw hell naw. Stay with Erauqs, please.}}
Not sure if I'll go with the move just yet. Is there more than one site which suggests this spelling ? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 00:39, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Let's wait a little bit, okay? See what happens...--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=0jE&q=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A5%E3%82%B9+erauqxs&aq=f&oq=&aqi= 21, in fact]. Only [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A5%E3%82%B9+erauqs&aq=f&oq=&aqi= 4 english sites] claim Erauqs.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:43, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:we were wrong about unbirths y'know.
::So we should not present any information until the game is translated?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:47, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, you win. Look, I was able to translate this part, "''The "Erakuusu" named, KH and conscious Nobody anagram series, square (square) read backward, or in addition to X "erauqXs"''". Not very good, but...--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:46, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Wikipedia translated his name as Master Erauqxs. For now, we can go with that.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:49, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:Erauqxs is it, though I'm gonna be tongue-tied pronouncing it. It's just as bad as Troisdsifhsodfuvtashobgvh. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 00:53, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Okay.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:53, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:And another reminder to all : '''no more aggression on speculation'''. If this happens, I'll not hesitate to slap a warning. Seriously, with that language... '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 00:58, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
::The um, wikipedia one was me, since there were sources for it and not for Erauqs.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Then, I won't question your judgement. I believe in you.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 01:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
{{NeutraVega|Good fucking lord there's so much fail speculation in here...  Kryten, you don't know anything.  NONE of us do, so don't start jumping to retarded conclusion.  ALL of you.  Especially you Kryten, you're admin.  Shame on you.  This is SPECULATION.  ALL of it.  The details in the scan were so scarce it's not even funny.  Stop pretending like everything is clear as mud.  Time will give us details; PRETENDING to know the details does not.}}
{{NitrousX|text=Calm down! I trust Kryten, NinjaSheik, and TNE to know what they're talking about. They even have sources! So just calm down, NeutraVega!}}
{{NeutraVega|Sources now?  Well, if you and any one of them can link me to an actual scan, article, or anything else of the sort that showcases the PROPER way to write his name in English, and ISN'T a fan-translated interpretation, please, share.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=You're the one who does not anything, NeutraVega. I can assure you my sources are fool-proof. Don't get an attitude because you don't know anything. Leave Sir Kryten alone, please.}}
{{TNE|time=02:16, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|angrytext=<big><big><big>'''THAT'S ENOUGH !'''</big></big></big>}}
{{NitrousX|text=I agree, with Trois.}}
{{NinjaSheik|sad=...I'm sorry...Please, don't be mad...}}
{{TNE|time=02:21, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|angrytext=Push has come to shove, Helen. I'm going to leave Kryten to do as he sees fit. I've already done what I had to do. I won't condone foul language and agression over a speculation dispute, and I bet the rest of the Wiki also follows suit.}}
{{NinjaSheik|sad=...Are you mad at me...?}}
{{TNE|time=02:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|angrytext=You know who I'm mad at... keep your lips sealed...}}
Really, no.  This is hilarious.  Jumping a guy, then adding in INCORRECT information on a wiki.  You guys really are special.  Oh, one last thing:  http://heartstation.org/gallery/birth-by-sleep/birth-by-sleep-scans/Japan127.jpg.php?z&p=full-image  Yeah.  Terra's keyblade DOES a have a keychain.  So, now that you know, you can keep on adding that he doesn't.  Keep it up you guys!  Doing great so far...--[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 02:33, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
{{NinjaSheik|angry=What the heck is your problem!?! You don't have to be so mean to us! Everybody makes mistakes! Why am I even talking to you!? I can't believe I thought you were a good asset to this wiki! Apparently, I was wrong!}}
{{TNE|time=02:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|angrytext=You know, I wouldn't jump on you for any other reason but your misconduct. About our mistakes, and the speculation, you could've approached us in a more civilised manner like what Kaihedgie did in the above section. If you're gonna diss the whole KHW and its editors, had I been an admin, I wouldn't even leave a place for you here. Maybe everyone else is more forgiving, but I've given you enough chances.   
''Hors de ma vue''.}}

I don't care about me.  Just fix the page.  There's bigger crap to work over than dealing with me.  Like cleaning up the mess, for example. --[[User:NeutraVega|NeutraVega]] 02:35, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Just to summarize:
#We ''do'' know that this character is the "Master" of the original, Square-Enix-based characters of the series, so he has ties to Square-Enix.
#Every available Japanese romanization uses "Master Erauqxs", which provides both a parallel to Master Yen Sid (who trained the leaders of the Disney characters) as well as context for Xehanort's anagram name. Every original name in this series is ''rife'' with meaning, and it's silly to suggest otherwise. (Pence, Olette, and Hayner are the closest in the series to "just names". Every single other character has some kind of meaning or theme to their names.)
#We have information on this character, and we need to have an article for the info. We are ''not'' going to wait for the game to come out in America to start providing information on it. '''Unless you can demonstrate a more accurate translation''', NeutraVega, all you are doing is annoying the other editors. The point of a wiki is to ''improve'' information, not to wipe it away.
#Everyone, please. This is a hobby for all of us, and it has no lasting value or meaning. We are doing this to inform fans who were bewildered by the franchise's storyline, not to cure cancer or anything, so we need neither vitriol nor adoration here.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:@Everyone: All caps and large bold letters isn't going to sway opinions, so I suggest next time to keep hands away from the caps lock button and the shift button, hmhm? I'm also contemplating a request to Wikia to list "<nowiki><big></big></nowiki>" inside the spam filter, because, really. Because as KK puts it, this is a hobby, and we shouldn't be so worked up on it. Now if you're annoyed, take time out and relax. And remember, edit-wars and vandals are a no-no.
:Oh yeah, Master Erauqs! Wow.... and of course X should be in there! If they're not gonna name him Xine Erauqs at least they'd hint an "Enix" in his name with that X, hahaha... so, yeah.... '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 10:20, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

==We're done for the day here.==
Yeah, you know what?  We're just going to stop this right here while I sort some stuff out.

This argument (yes, '''argument''', not discussion) is literally going nowhere.  Therefore, the discussion will resume at a time when hopefully we can all behave in a more civilized fashion. [[User:BebopKate|<span style="color:indigo;">'''Bebop'''</span>]][[User talk:BebopKate|<span style="color:plum;">'''Kate'''</span>]] 02:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

{{GS|time=03:25, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|text=This was all completely ridiculous.

"This article is about a game that has yet to be released.
'''As such, some of the information might be inaccurate or likely to change.''' Perhaps you should
refrain from putting rumors and speculation on this article."

It says right at the top of the article that information might be inaccurate.  That's exactly why we have that template.  

Of course we don't have an official translation of the Master's name yet, so atm, it doesn't really matter if the name is wrong or right.  Most of the North American sites are using "Master Erauqs," so I suggest keeping it that way until we get anything official.  Even if it's wrong, this is what most of the North American fans are going to know him as, since all of the main North American sites are calling him by that name.  Leave it alone, time will tell his true name.}}
::In regards to naming the article "Master Erauqs", instead of just Erauqs (trust me, this would be relevant whatever the actual spelling is), nearly every source, including the games themselves, generally calls Mickey "The King". If we're going purely by the published title, that's what we'd have to use. The standard wiki format, though, is to use the character's full name, and include titles in the lead.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:13, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

{{GS|time=17:23, October 15, 2009 (UTC)|text=If it calls Mickey "The King" in the journal entries, then that's probably what it should be changed to.}}

We don't use their full names here. Hence Leon, etc. [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 03:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
:There's a huge difference between aliases and titles, and the reasons for choosing between them. If we're going by journal entry, however, we have a bit of discussion to do about Mickey and Donald.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:45, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Correct, but the point stands. You just said we use their "full name" including titles. We don't use Squall's full name. Either way, calling him "The King" for the article title seems ridiculous to me--and the journal says Mickey Mouse, to my recollection, while his dialogue title is The King. I could be wrong, though. [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 03:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not what I said. I said that the standard wiki format is to use the full name as the article name, and then include titles such as "King" in the article lead (first paragraph). <s>"Leon" is his only given name in KH</s>*, so it would be his full name as an article lead, since this is KH, not FF8. However, "Mickey Mouse" is mentioned within the games, even if it's not what the journal's call him, so we name his article "Mickey Mouse".
:"The King" is what he's called in the CoM journal, on the CoM cards, and on the TCG cards. Its also what all famitsu etc. articles use. Days uses "The King" as well, for the few times it mentions his name. KH1 uses "Mickey Mouse", while KH2 uses "King Mickey".
:* The journal does say that Leon's full name is "Squall Leonhart", at least in KH2. As such, it should be moved as well, and possibly use nickname format (Squall "Leon" Leonhart), or just mention the alias in the lead.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:54, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

== Origin ==

{{Xemwath|text=Since Final Fantasy characters are from Radiant Garden in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series, can we assume Master Eruaqs is from Radiant Garden?  We can also assume he explains the [[Unversed]] to Terra, Ven and Aqua because Yen Sid gave a brief explanation about the Nobodies to Sora, Donald and Goofy.}}
{{EO|time=09:46, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=No, we can't. Erauqs just LOOKS LIKE the FF creator. Just because someone appears similar to an FF, it doesn't make them a KH. Master Eraups debuts in KH, after all.}}
{{Xemwath|text=Given the undeniable hints, it's hard to resist.  Perhaps you're right.  Maybe we should wait for further information on this particular character.}}
Square Enix wouldn make a kingdom hearts character that is SOMEHOW a final fantasy.In other words Master Erauq(x?)s is a kingdom hearts character we cant really assume anything from thin air so we have to wait for future scans and THEN we can add more to him plus it seems his origin may be from The Land of Departure. Keep the page up trust me he is not a waste of space even though he barely has anything....hes reminds me of Cyan from ff6 SO much tough (was my first thought of him). [[User:D.Dark.|D.Dark.]] 01:01, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

== Xine? ==

{{CLD|text= just wondering but is his name just Erauqs? There's Master Yen Sid. Is it possible his name could be Master Xine Erauqs?}}
{{Maggosh|text= We don't know yet. It's possible, but not confirmed yet.}}
{{TNE|time=11:21, October 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Xine. ^_^ I just hope...}}
i agree with it even though i guess this falls under the speculation section. BUT that would clear up some of the stuff up ther from earlier guessing that he was an organization precurser or...however u spell that word...whatever...basicly thats where the 'X' would be in his name.

            -mr.xeroxero p.s. i want a speech bubble D: