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| Play through the first part of Kingdom Hearts, switch to 1st person view, then look up (as long as you're on one of the pillars). It makes you have an uneasy feeling! | | Play through the first part of Kingdom Hearts, switch to 1st person view, then look up (as long as you're on one of the pillars). It makes you have an uneasy feeling! |
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| {{CanadianSpence|text=Well, Sora already had his Dive into the Heart at the start of Kingdom Hearts. That would explain why we didn't get one in CoM. As for Days, Roxas doesn't have his Dive until the third day of Kingdom Hearts II.}}
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| {{unbirthtalk|text=Since BBS was announced, I always thought that that voice was Ven's. We do know that he's got some link with Sora, and that Xemnas was looking for the '''room of awakening''', where '''another friend''' is, since Aqua is in the room of sleep. There's other things I could say, but I have to sleep (it's 4:30 AM where I am)}} | | {{unbirthtalk|text=Since BBS was announced, I always thought that that voice was Ven's. We do know that he's got some link with Sora, and that Xemnas was looking for the '''room of awakening''', where '''another friend''' is, since Aqua is in the room of sleep. There's other things I could say, but I have to sleep (it's 4:30 AM where I am)}} |
| {{KrytenKoro|It could have "easily" been a lot of characters, if we assume that they act completely out of character and differently than they do in every other appearance. However, the only character that the voice acts ''like'' is Mickey, as seen with Riku's pseudo-"Dive into the Heart".
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| It's Walt Disney voice from beyond the grave! Spooky!
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| {{NitrousX|xmastext=It can't be Ven anymore... He has his own awakening. I always thought it was one of these things:
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| *Kingdom Hearts (I always thought those two "worlds" had deep ties to each other, and I'm pretty sure Kingdom Hearts can think and has some sort of mind...
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| But, the Awakening is one of the most unexplained aspects of KH. Who know's if this question will be revealed.
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| EDIT:Another theory is that the Awakening is in the Heart, so maybe the Heart is speaking to you, or your sub-consience.}}
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| It's more likely that it's Kingdom Hearts, he chooses who will have the keyblade so maybe it teaches the wilder how to use it to, right? The Voice isn't heard because KH talk directly to the wilder heart, cause KH is connected to every hearts in tthe Universe. Well, that's my theory.
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| {{NitrousX|xmastext=Yeah, I agree that Kingdom Hearts has a mind of his/her own ("it" maybe?) and that when he/she/it wants to Kingdom Hearts can speak to the strong hearted ones through the Awakening.}}
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| Well, in Sora's awakening the voice is from Ventus and in Ventus awakening the voice is from Sora.[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 05:17, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| Where does "Awakening" come from? I ask because ''Ultimania'' explicitly calls it "Dive to Heart". In Latin letters, even. [[User:Interobangu|Interobangu]] 06:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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| And the Official English BradyGames Strategy Guide calls it "Dive to '''the''' Heart". Currently, that's a redirect to this page.--[[User:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:navy ;">'''Door'''</span>]][[User:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:dimgray ;">'''To'''</span>]][[User talk:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:darkslategray ;">'''Nothing'''</span>]] 06:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I'll check one more time to be absolutely sure, but:
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| ::You know how in KH1, when you save, it lists what world you're in? The mandatory save in the tutorial world lists it as "Awakening".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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| :Okay, also, after the save circle appears on Aurora's station, you can finally access your menu. It lists the room as "Awakening" as well. Now, both of these are in text, rather than logo, so it's probably the dub name, though the first KH2 Puzzle, which respresents the tutorial area, is named "Awakening" (Mezame), and a section of Roxas's tutorial, the one where you also fight him during the vision in TWTNW, is called "''Station'' of Awakening".
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| :Wait, thinking back, did the KH1 save list the world or the room? It could be possible that the "world" is "Dive to (the) Heart", and the Station of Awakening is just named "Awakening" in KH1. Interrobang, does the Ultimania call it "Dive to Heart" as just a name, or as a logo? Also, since KH2 ''does'' display the world name and logo when saving, can either of you check real quick what happens when you save or pause at the Awakening in KH2? I can check tomorrow evening, when I go back home, if you guys can't.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Nah, not a logo. Just plain Latin letters. The section header for Dive to Heart isn't in the same format as the others. (Disney Castle gets a section, and it is in the regular format, with a logo and all.) I could check the games, but everything's downstairs and I don't really want to wake up my roommates at so late. [[User:Interobangu|Interobangu]] 07:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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| :Okay. I'll check it tomorrow night, then (well, tonight really). Damn, I may have buggered everything buy telling everyone it was the Awakening for so long.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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| :KH2 lists it as part of Twilight Town. Since the KH1 save system lists only the room, it would be a fair compromise to all sources to say that "Awakening" is the room, and "Dive to the Heart" is the dubbed world name. Interobangu, could you provide the name in kana, so we can use the nihongo template?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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| {{GS|time=20:16, September 28, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm unable to find a direct source, but lately numerous people have been saying that it is indeed Mickey's voice in the Awakening. Someone posted this on KHInsider:
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| "Originally Posted by Ultimania<br>
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| It’s the King calling to Sora here. In the Dive To Heart, the King guides Sora through his dream, explaining the intentions of the adventure.
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| When Sora acquires the Keyblade for the first time after this (p.95) and just before passing through the last door of The End of The World (p.139), Sora hears a voice reverberate in him that sounds like the King’s. It seems so that those around him understand without hearing, the King speaks to Sora’s heart directly."
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| There's no doubt in my mind that this is true, but we should find a good source to use as a reference and implement this into the article.}}
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| A lot of people has been saying that, but because it's changed a lot recently since BBS came out.
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| One thing they have been saying is that the Voice is Ven. Because supposely Sora is the voice in Ven's Awakening, so I guess it's vice versa? But that's one of the characters that can be the voices, that and Mickey.
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| Who knows? Maybe we'll learn one day who is the voice, or maybe not.
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| :WE NEED TO CONFIRM THIS GUYS.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:35, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
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| I was wondering maybe the Awakening is a type of world. Cococrash11
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| :I'd probably call it another ''dimension''...... becasue the Awakening doesn't have a link to the World Map, let alone Twilight Town or TWTNW. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#FF1493">je t'♥</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF">mélancolie !</font>]]'''</sub> 12:17, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
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| I'd say it's a world within people's hearts, hence the "Dive into the Heart".--{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 15:59, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
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| Maybe it should be put in both place and world. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 07:59, December 13, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11
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| I've found it interesting that, in the journal entry for Ven's final battle with Vanitas, it says it took place inside Ven's "own heart" [[Special:Contributions/24.224.114.168|24.224.114.168]] 04:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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| :It's literally a dive to the player character's heart, yes.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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| {{Xienzo|time=00:36, December 14, 2009 (UTC)|text=Did Riku ever go through the Awakening? Cause he was the original chosen one... Don't you need to go through the Awakening to use the keyblade?}}
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| He may have gone through the awakening but it was never shown cause it was not necessery.
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| {{Maggosh|text=Sign your posts, please.}}
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| Don't want to sound rude but why sign?[[son of a submariner]] 23:18, December 13, 2009.
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| {{Maggosh|text=We need to keep tabs on everyone who posts on the Talk page. Or something like that.}}
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| So, not even you now the "why"? right?. Thats OK I don't judge. And don't worry. I won't say anything anymore until Wednesday [[son of a submariner]] 23:26, December 13, 2009
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| == The ''Keyblade's'' Heart, perhaps? ==
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| {{LOMI|Ghost=What if the Awakening is, in fact, the heart of the keyblade? It's so far connected to all the Keyblade Masters (Ventus, Sora and Roxas), so what if it were the heart of the Keyblade, connecting with the Keyblade Master somehow?}}
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| {{Givox|text=Are Sora and Roxas considered Keyblade Masters?}}
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| {{Xabryn|text=No, and neither is Ventus, but the I believe that the first definition of Keyblade Master in the KH series is someone is the master of the keyblade in other words Keyblade wielders}}
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| {{ST|text=people call sora the keyblade master simply because he wields it, however only master xehanort, master eraqus, and aqua are the only known official keyblade masters with yen sid being a keyblade master sometime in the past}}
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| == BbS: Two Objects ==
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| Does anyone else recognize the two objects shown when the Awakening platform shatters?
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| I'm 95% sure that they're the Kingdom Key (on left, with the 'teeth' end pointing down) and Soul Eater on the right.
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| Why that would be, I'm not sure. Just like I'm not sure that that's what the two objects are.
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| Another question: are the two objects there before the shattering, or do they only appear when Ven does?
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| [[Special:Contributions/128.118.40.79|128.118.40.79]] 18:53, December 21, 2009 (UTC) TBJ
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| == Can I upload this? ==
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| I think you can.--Zach 20:08, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Randomnessity|text=I wouldn't see why it would be a problem.}}
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| I don't mean to be a spoiler or anything but I think this could be helpful too, [http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/NikkieJay/Kingdom%20Hearts/?action=view¤t=Untitled.jpg] or this [http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/NikkieJay/Kingdom%20Hearts/?action=view¤t=gif.gif]. I'd upload it, but I'm not good at that stuff.--[[User:NikkieJay]]
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| I also found this it could be of some use [http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/NikkieJay/Kingdom%20Hearts/?action=view¤t=hchc.jpg]--[[User:NikkieJay|NikkieJay]] 00:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| In Roxas's Awakening Sora's eyes are closed, showing that he is asleep, while Kairi and Riku's are open, showing that they are awake; strangely, Donald and Goofy's eyes are still open, even though they are asleep as well.
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| If Goofy and Donald's eyes are still open, then doesn't it just counter the fact that Sora'seyes are closed because he's asleep? It might be just some artistic thing...Should we remove the point?--[[User:RyuuseiSoul|RyuuseiSoul]] 00:24, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::The symbolism seems to have been preserved for the first game, and it actually makes sense that Goofy and Donald would be "awake", since Sora was the one still being operated on - Goofy and Donald were "done".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| It would seem that the Awakening Station corresponds to the heart of a Keyblade Wielder (or a future one) and the connections it relates to.
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| *Roxas' Awakening had the form of Sora because he was Sora's other half.
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| It's an interesting theory and it actually makes sense. I think this should be mentioned on the article if everyone agrees.[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 01:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Theories, '''no''', a thousand times no, unless they've been certified. We don't want the pages to be flooded with speculation. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 02:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| OK Trois, aren't you overreacting a little? But the theory is quite good, you have to admit.[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 02:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| :I'm not overreacting, it's the Wiki guideline. The theory is substantially good, but until and unless it's proven, we can't put it in. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 02:23, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Agreed, which is why I wrote my theory on the talkpage. This fact has not been speculated, so it can't be published.--[[User:Charmed-Jay|Charmed-Jay]] 07:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{LA|Varmor=I found this. I posted it, but it was taken down. Is this no good?}}
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| {{Xabryn|time=[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 00:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=it seem good to me. The trivia say that the reason of Sora's eyes aare closeds is cuz of he in asleep, that don't make sense since every character's eye is closed in the awakening}}
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| {{TNE|time=01:39, January 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=This is almost the exact image, except that I remember that the sky doesn't fade out to yellow in the actual pillar. But it's good, I guess it can be put in.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|Sorry, I reverted the edit because it messed with the formatting, I didn't notice the image had changed.}}
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| {{R&D|time=02:16, January 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=Isn't the image with Ventus and Vanitas technically a spoiler?}}
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| {{TNE|time=02:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=Yes, and you know, I seriously don't get it. On one hand they're saying ''put in the spoilers'', and on the other, they're asking for spoilers to be removed. I know the official Wiki stance is to put in the spoilers...}}
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| {{R&D|time=02:26, January 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=As long as I remember, the primary reason for Wikis to exist is for people who can't play the games to know what happens and be able to connect the dots (that's what I'm doing, I don't have a PSP) and those who forgot remember, so spoilers are necessary. As long there is a Spoiler Warning it's OK. People are so confusing.}}
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| {{TNE|time=02:44, January 18, 2010 (UTC)|blahtext=Tell me about it.}}
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| It seems that the Station are actually Hearts. Ventus even commented that his heart is shattered and this prooves that the station with a missing piece kind of prooves that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUj9_Gbbzdo What do you think? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:33, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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| :I'malways reluctant to put things up that isn't confirmed, so I'd suggest holding off at least until the English-language release so more of us can know what's going on, but from the playthroughs I've seen that seems quite likely.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 06:51, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| It seemed that the voice in KHI, KHII, and BBS are Sora's Heart. Since Sora is too young to and even didn't recognize the voice is his own. It seemed that the voice is Sora's inner Heart. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:36, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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| :Hmm, seems plausible, but it's also quite vague. It isn't confirmed or obvious enough to be certain, so I don't think it should go in the article.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 03:49, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| Everyone said its Sora's Awakening. The one in KHII is more likey Sora's true awakening. This awakeing is more likely Destiny Island's heart. It had the Paopu fruit, mushroom, raft, and etc. The back ground even had the island, ocean, and tropical sea. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:22, February 27, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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| ::Why would Destiny Islands need an Awakening? It already had Master Xehanort wake up a long time ago. And Sora didn't have an awakening in KHII.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:31, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| I think Cococrash is talking about the Awakening Station with Sora in it that Roxas came to in KHII. Regardless, I don't think it's Destiny Islands' Awakening.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 03:37, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :...The Destiny Islands themed Station appears during Sora's first Awakening. That's all there is to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| The Note/Reference regarding the "voice" (number 3) needs to be rewritten or removed, since it does not make much sense, especially with the new information from BBS. The "voice" in Ven's Awakening is Sora, and the one in Data Sora's Awakening is Mickey, but there is no way to know or guess whether the one from Sora's and Roxas's Awakenings is anyone we know, or even anyone at all. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 07:07, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| :While BBS implies that the voice can be any connected heart, I think the point still stands, because of the Final Mix bit:
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| *"In Final Mix, Riku encounters a similar voice after his body is taken by Ansem, and he identifies it as belonging to Mickey"
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| :It may be a different voice in KH2 (possibly Sora's), which the note needs to make clear, but for the original game, I think the note works. However, it's a bit spurious, so if others agree that they want it gone, we can get rid of it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:09, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Rucario|time='''12:59, March 12, 2010 (UTC)'''|text=I think it should stay, but that's just my opinion}}
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| == Due to recent revelations....(spoilers) ==
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| Now that it is confirmed that Ven and Sora's hearts have indeed fused together, is it not a good idea to assume that Ventus was the mysterious voice that spoke to Sora during certain points of the first game? And if we do indeed assume that, should we edit the page accordingly? [[Special:Contributions/173.212.116.22|173.212.116.22]] 20:40, March 25, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin
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| {{neumannz|time=20:51, March 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=Assuming is almost never a good idea.}}
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| == Music from BBS ==
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| {{ErryTalk|text=I've got the music from BBS, I could cut them short to 30 seconds and add them onto here.
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| *Field Theme = Dive into the Heart ~ Destati
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| *Battle Theme = Vanitas Final Battle
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| == Dive to the Heart ==
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| Why the sudden name change? I didn't see the talk page saying why. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 04:42, June 22, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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| Seriuously someone answer my question. Why change it? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 14:55, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
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| == "Fun Fact" ==
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| <blockquote>Fun fact: Donald and Goofy having their eyes open could be explained in the short "How to Haunt a House", in wich a ghost Goofy tries to spook Donald. Donald learned how to sleep with his eyes open, while Goofy... well, is a ghost and therefore can't sleep, or at least in the conventional way.</blockquote>
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| ...should we have this in the article?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:08, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Maggosh|text=Depends, really. When was How to Haunt a House released? Oh, and don't include "Fun Fact". That just looks tacky.}}
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| No, I don't think it should. --[[User:Gr8champ|<font color="green">''If I had a hairbrush,''</font>]] [[User talk:Gr8champ|<font color="purple">'''that would be amazing!'''</font>]] [[User:Gr8champ/Dissidia:Kingdom's_Fantasy|<font color="blue"><small>'''Pregnancy?'''</small></font>]] 06:13, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Logo ==
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| |sig=Look who's on top of the deck!
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| |time=Don't squander your time!
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| |text= Can someone please remove the "World Logo" tab, as all it has is a big "X"? That, or add a logo, but off the top of my head, I don't remember there being one, so if there is, it's in a Final Mix or BbS.
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| {{KrytenKoro|The tab is automatic from the template. That's why it's being filled with an X.}}
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| == Spoilers ==
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| |text= I am just pointing out that the pic for Vanitas in the "enemies" section should be changed, as it is after the spolier tag has ended and it shows him unmasked.
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| {{ShardofTruth|time=12:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)|talk=I think that's a problem all over the site. The unmasked Vanitas, possessed Ventus and Terra-Xehanort images should be censored outside of their articles as long as the BBS spoiler policy is in order.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|I moved the spoiler tag down.}}
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| == um, the bit about mickey... ==
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| {{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 06:46, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text= the bit that says mickey could be the voice of dive to the heart's stations, well, despite that making sense, isn't that STILL speculation? No matter how much something makes sense, if it's speculation, it should have no place on the article. That's my thought anyway. Besides, how do we know it isn't that Keyblade Master of Legend? The one talked about from the Master Xehanort reports? Wasn't he the very first keyblade master? Basically, I think it's speculative and if I don't receive any objections in the next few days, I'm gonna take it as a sign that it can go bye bye.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|It's right there on the edge, but those characters have been demonstrated to do narration like that, so I think it's just within the necessary bounds. However, we don't know anything about the Keyblade Master of Legend, so ''that'' would be absolute speculation.}}
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| {{LapisScarab|time=07:00, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=It should most definitely be removed, it's blatant speculation. If it's not, it needs to be sourced and reworded. EDIT: Looks okay now.}}
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| {{LyingMemories|time=[[User:Lying Memories|Lying Memories]] 07:17, July 21, 2010 (UTC)|text= that's what I thought. on a completely unrelated note, I need more talk bubbles. I need angry bubbles and confused bubbles.}}
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| == Conception and Design ==
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| {{Lt.Haven|text=Alright, I've seen a lot of stuff regarding Chain of Memories (The GBA original), and not once have I ever seen Square Enix say they have planned to put "The Awakening/Dive to the Heart" as a world in the game. The picture showing can be easily be made with sprites in Photoshop or some other photo editing program, so unless someone finds proof that Square planned to put it in, I think this part of the article should be deleted. If somebody does find a source, it should at least be moved towards a "Trivia" section at the bottom, as it has little to do with the conception and design for "The Awakening/Dive to the Heart" in the original title.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|KH2.co.uk scanned it directly from the early magazines.
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| What they planned to do with it IS Design and Conception.}}
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| {{Lt.Haven|text=KH2.co.uk is not a community run by Square Enix, but beyond that; which magazine did they scan it from?
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| It's still not the level design for the Kingdom Hearts (the original game), which is what I'm trying to get at. We should have concept art for the original title, considering that the level showed up in that game first.}}
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| :Any and all development info is relevant for that section. Otherwise, where would we put the development info for all the games after KH1?
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| :Kh2.co.uk said they got it from the articles in magazines, I believe them. I can e-mail them and ask if I must, but they have proven to be 100% reliable on such things.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:32, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Lt.Haven|text=Not necessary. I'll do the research myself. I apologize for the skepticism.}}
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| == Ven's voice ==
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| I don't think it could be Ven's voice. If it was, wouldn't Roxas reconize it since he has the same voice? We shouldn't put speculation in the trivia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:29, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| '''Removed''' and that isn't Trivia it's note and references list--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 16:46, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Diff. between KH and KH Re:Coded.... ==
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| {{WB|VenArmor=I noticed the difference between Sora's and Data Sora's Awakening:<br>
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| According to KH, Sora got the dream weapons in the Snow White Pillar. After that the pillar shatters and Sora falls of. then he fought some heartless in the Cinderella pillar. after that, darkness consumed him.(i don't what the right term is but i'll used consumed instead) Then he was taken to Kairi, Alice and Jasmine's pillar.
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| According to Re:coded, Data Sora got the dream weapons in the Snow White pillar. He then saw he Unknown. The unknown summoned stairways leading to the next area. Then Data Sora fought some Heartless on Kairi, Alice and Jasmine's pillar.
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| Should we put this in?}}
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| :I'd prefer it if you just covered the positive info in the coded section.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 13:57, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Somebody?==
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| {{Superdog1123|time=03:56, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=I noticed that Vanitas has been considered a "somebody" enemy on this page. Has it been decided that he's a Somebody or Unversed? If he's an unversed, then should that heading be changed?}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|Well, an Unversed by definition is an emotion given form in a poor semblance of life, and Vanitas is a lovely little imbroglio of emotion'''s''' who can imitate life pretty well. I'd say that if he's not a complete persona, then he's a sentient Pureblood Heartless.}}
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| {{Superdog1123|time=03:56, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=Okay, I can live with that idea. If that's the case, should we put him under "Heartless" enemies? Or is he merely a purely dark Somebody, as we have? I feel like the distinction is small...}}
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| == May wanna add this lil' trivia piece ==
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| It seems that, with the exception of Xion, each and everyone 'derivative' of Sora and Ven has had their Awakening seen onscreen. Hm....y'know, if this isn't exclusive to them, it woulda been interestin' to see Xehanort's Awakening. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 00:33, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| Problem is, with the recent trivia purge, trivias have to have no exceptions. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 00:37, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Name issue ==
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| Hey I am just reading the piggyback official guide for Kh1 (UK) and it calls this place "Dive into the heart" as opposed to "Dive to the heart" throughout the book. Just wondering if this should be mentioned in trivia or something as it doesnt look like a simple typo? Also where does its current name actually come from seeing as its not mentioned in game anywhere? [[Special:Contributions/86.17.30.102|86.17.30.102]] 22:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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| :In the light of KH3D this may not be important because I think we have to decide if "Dive to the Heart" is a world name at all. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 23:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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| == KH1 voice ==
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| It's Mickey. The ''Ultimania α'' has a section indicating such on page 087. See the translation [http://kh-info-block.tumblr.com/tagged/KH1NIA here]. [[User:Pink Agaricus|Pink Agaricus]] ([[User talk:Pink Agaricus|talk]]) 21:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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| :Woot! I win!{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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| ::I never heard of a Nomura interview in the Ultimania Alpha, so this is more like one of the Ultimania's "uncovering secret boxes" I guess, is it? The linked Info Box interview section is indeed wrong, as the normal Ultimania actually starts with the second question (as seen [http://kh-ultimania.livejournal.com/ here]). --[[Special:Contributions/77.186.171.4|77.186.171.4]] 00:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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| :::It's not an interview. [http://i.imgur.com/8CCPtvN.jpg] [[User:Pink Agaricus|Pink Agaricus]] ([[User talk:Pink Agaricus|talk]]) 02:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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| == Stained Glass ==
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| While they're not any part of an actual "Dive to the Heart", the [http://www.khunchainedx.com/wiki/Stained_Glass stained glass medals] from Union χ do bear significance to the pillars. Should we at least have the stained glass medals in the gallery? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 22:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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| :We have [[Memorial Stained Glass Clock]]. Perhaps we can just add the page as an additional link at the bottom of the Dive to the Heart page? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 01:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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| ::I agree with KSM. The Stained Glass medals are a reference to the clocks, which are designed as references to the DttH.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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| ::Agreed.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:43, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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| == The Final World ==
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| KH3 SPOILERS AHEAD!
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| So in The Final World, Chirithy says Sora has been there before in his sleep. Does that mean the Dive to the Heart is the Final World? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :The exact line is "You've wondered here more than once before on your visits to the Station of Awakening // The edges of sleep and death touch, and one can't help the occasional crossover." It certainly sounds like Dive to the Heart and The Final World are one and the same. Merge? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 20:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::"The edges of sleep and death touch, and one can't help the occasional crossover." This line, right here, screams "keep the pages separate," at least to me. They are separate "realms" that exist very close together on the same plane. I think of it like the Visible World, Valhalla, and the Unseen Realm from ''FFXIII''. Valhalla = Station of Awakening, a "middle-ground" between life (Realm of Light/Darkness/Sleep) and death (Final World). Or is it that Final World is the next step between life, sleep, and death? I remmeber reading it's a purgatory realm, but either way, "sleep" is a separate place. I guess the order would be Life (Realms) -> Sleep (Station) -> Purgatory (Final World) -> Death. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 23:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::My understanding is that the crossover ''only'' includes the portions where Sora is on his way to the Dive to the Heart, and the surroundings look somewhat like the final world -- basically, the bits with birds and water. The Dive would still be its own thing.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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| == DDD ==
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| Shouldn't it be Data-Ansem, Data-Xion, and Data-Ventus, instead of Xion and Ansem?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :The people Riku talks to you mean? I don't think those are from Ansem's data, I think those are representations of the actual hearts within Sora, just in sort of a state of limbo where their interactions are limited. After all, they are the three who we know from KH3 have hearts inside Sora. Ansem should definitely be Data-Ansem though. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 17:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ::I was under the belief that they were the locks on the data ''about'' the people they represent that Ansem had placed on the data he found.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :::See, that does kinda make sense, but I believe what Ansem says is that talking to them was the final step to waking Sora up. I don't think he references them in connection to the data, though he does say the data was what he found from while Sora was sleeping, so maybe they *are* connected that way? {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 17:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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| == Opening bit ==
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| So nearly everyone from past games appears in the opening as memories on mirror for Sora, so does that count as a "appearances" in KH3? Not a full appearances, per say. But should it be handle like on the [[Possessor#Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days|Possessor page for 358]]? {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 05:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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| :If you want to take the time to go through and confirm each one, I'm fine with it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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| ==Power of Waking in KHIII==
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| I added the images from Re:Mind of Aqua, Terra, Riku, and Roxas's Dive to the Hearts to the Kingdom Hearts III sections, but I was wondering about the Stations used when Sora retrieves the Hearts of the Guardians of Light, if there was anyone who had images of those (they were simply Stations that depicted the artwork of the World, shrouded in Darkness). On that note, I would like to ask about the Power of Waking as well, as it is stated within the article that Sora used the Power of Waking to access these stations, however in Re:Mind Chirithy specifies that Sora hadn't used the Power of Waking, which is meant to awaken a sleeping heart, but rather he'd traversed hearts and revived his friends through the alteration of time and fate (or something along those lines). Thus, I was just wondering if the verbiage in the KHIII section shouldn't be altered because of this. ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 15:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC))
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| Watch the scene again. It wasn't that he wasn't using the power of waking, it was that he was '''mis'''using the power of waking. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 01:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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| ==Corona Station==
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| In other news, for reasons that I suspect aren't gonna make sense to anyone else, I found myself paying unusual attention to those particular stations on my last playthrough, and discovered a discrepancy. Anyone care to inform me why the image of the Corona station here is (almost) completely different from the one in-game? [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 01:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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| == KH3D station image is wrong ==
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| There was at least one stained glass Dive to the Heart Station floor mural in Dream Drop Distance, and it didn't look quite like the one from KH2 that is shown just above the KH3D text section of this article, because the trees and waves and clouds in the background looked more like the ones in Sora's station from Birth by Sleep. If I had a copy of KHHD2.8 for the PC, I'd rip and post the station(s) myself, but I don't. Is it possible that someone who does could please rip and upload the station(s) here to fix that mistake? --[[User:Wikipirate|Wikipirate]] ([[User talk:Wikipirate|talk]]) 23:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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| == Roxas' Station ==
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| Does anyone have a render of Roxas' station in Re Mind, when it's still missing Xion? https://youtu.be/QwH4NUW9P0I?list=PL80kj0SJp-UoLHBgjD1DsFHmAWT8A7Y4b&t=5153 --[[User:Mikoto|Mikoto]] ([[User talk:Mikoto|talk]]) 02:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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| ::Adding to this, we're also missing Riku's new Station of Awakening from Re Mind, where his hand with the cards has been changed, and the card symbols around the edge have been replaced with hearts: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhZc2CVWsAE1Hm7?format=jpg&name=large --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 08:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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| :::All other ReMind stations besides Roxas's are not objects in the game, they are only part of the video sequences, so we can't get a texture for them. Roxas's station without Xion is there but I can't seem to apply (or even export) the glass effect to it, so it [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n_dnoPKPyEEVMzquhNMXwqNXZ215NEtm/view?usp=share_link looks very different from the official one]. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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| :::: Huh, weird. And having that version of Roxas' station is better than nothing. Do you have it with a transparent background? --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 02:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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| == Roxas' Station in KH2 ==
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| Is it confirmed that Roxas enters his own station in II? I think I always thought it was Sora's, considering it's him on it and appears in games afterwards for him. Roxas has a different one in Re:Mind as well. --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 05:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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