Editing Talk:Data-Sora

{{GS|time=02:52, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=Since the virtual Sora is technically his own character, I decided that he should probably have his own article.  Does anyone agree/disagree?}}
{{NitrousX|text=I've never even heard of this character.}}
{{GS|time=03:08, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=From coded.}}
{{DTN|time=03:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=@NitrousX: As of yet, the real Sora hasn't appeared in ''coded''. Instead, a virtual Sora is what the player takes control of, as it is the project of the journal's contents being coded. The virtual Sora goes through Sora's previous adventures, so as to find the mystery of Jiminy's Journal's mysterious new entry.

@GS: If nobody is going to write anything, I'll try to whip up something that is descriptive of the virtual Sora's character and role in ''coded''.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Hmmm...True enough that it's not the real Sora, but a virtual Sora. But Sora is still Sora, no matter what, right? Do as you see fit. I won't stop you.}}

Data Sora is basically the same as the real Sora. Whats the point of making a seperate character? So you're gonna make every character in Kingdom Hearts coded in a seperate article called data in their title like Data Alice or Data Phil it doesn't make any sense. You should delete Data Sora and just use the real one. Cococrash11
{{Maggosh|text=But it's not Sora himself in coded, now, is it? How can we put something on Sora's page for something he never did? That's like merging Roxas' page with Sora's. I do believe this warrants its own article.}}

Hello? How do you explain the data world inhabitants like Cloud are you going to make an article called Data Cloud? It just watse space for the data people. Also King Mickey, the Journal, and others called him Sora not data Sora. They are both called Sora not like Roxas his nobody or Xion a replica. The only diffrence is that, one is real and one is data. It is the same concept in KHII there is a simulated Twilight Town like data Hayner, and etc. You know what it dosen't matter as long you don't change other article or anything else I'm okay with this article. Cococrash11
::Data Cloud, etc., are all products of the Journal. Data Sora is created by Mickey, though. Similar to Chain of Memories, in which all the surrounding characters are merely products of Sora's memory. So, the Data characters could be covered within the Journal article, and the Memory characters would be covered within CoM or Sora article.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:03, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
::I'd say we place the Data Riku and Data Sora in the Journal's article under "Products of the Journal" or something, along with an image of each and a brief role description. I don't really think that the Memory Characters would fit in EITHER of your selections though, Kryten, despite your riveting explanation. - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 21:07, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

{{NitrousX|text=I think he should have his own article. He's seperate from Sora and wasn't created by the Journal. Plus, isn't Data Riku the Journal itself?}}

== A data kairi and Riku(Naminépower) ==

--[[User:Naminépower|Naminépower]] 02:05, December 14, 2009 (UTC)I think we should also make articles for Data Riku because he/it is also another form for Jiminy's journal and possibly a Data Kairi.[[User:Naminépower|Naminépower]] 02:05, December 14, 2009 (UTC)(Naminépower)

{{Maggosh|text=We don't need them. The Journal page already has that, and Kairi doesn't hold as big a role in coded as she did in KH.}}

== Proof ==

Right now theres proof and its a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCMwuSG3zI&feature=player_embedded that Data Sora is just called Sora. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 04:52, January 30, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:Yes, and? The "Data" is simply there to distinguish this guy from the real Sora.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 12:12, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

== What should we call "it" ==

{{17m|text= Should we refer Data Sora to "It" or "He"? I know his gender is male (obviously) but since he's made of data, should we call him "it"?}}

{{Pea14733|time=13:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=In game, they use "he" to call him. Similar to Xion being called "she"}}

{{17m|text= does the same term apply to Jiminy's journal?}}

== Official name? ==

{{LA|Vtext=The Official NA site for re:coded has Data Sora named as "Sora (Data)". SShould the name be changed to fit the site?}}
{{DTN|time=01:08, December 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=If that's the official term, we should change ''this'' article. However, using "Sora (Data)" in prose I think would create awkward phrasing and general confusion, as compared to using Data Sora. We could wait to see screenshots/cutscenes of how characters refer to the Sora made out of data, or use something like <nowiki>[[Sora (Data)|Data Sora]]</nowiki>.}}

Or "data Sora".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:59, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
:That too would be fine with me. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 02:16, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
:I'm in favor of either "data Sora" or "Sora (Data)", since Tron Sora from ''KHII'' is also referred to as "Data Sora". {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=2:26am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{LA|Vtext=I was referring to the title of the article, not the name used to refer the character. I agree "Sora (Data)" would sound awkward when referenced in articles, and Kryten's idea sounds fine.}}

If you're gonna use lowercase "data", then it should be "'''the''' data Sora". "Data Sora" is a (nick)name, which is why the "D" is capitalized, but if you use "data" simply as a description/qualifier, then it should be lowercase. </nitpicking>  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:14, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'm all for that; referring to him as "the data Sora" in common text, and "Sora (Data)" for the article title. I'm assuming, though, that the "Data Sora" page would redirect to "Sora (Data)" and not his Tron-Data-Form-Thingy, right? {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=6:18am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}

:Data Form =/= Data Sora. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 06:27, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

::Except... we call it that in every Drive Form article as well as the Data Form article, and I believe it's called that in the journal, too. {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=6:29am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}

There will be a notice saying: "Data Sora redirects here. For Sora's Space Paranoids form, see [[Data Form]]." Or something along those lines.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:31, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

:Or "This article is about the character. You may have been looking for the form"? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 06:33, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

:Or both. It happens  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:36, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

::So, don't bother with it at all, then. Good. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 06:37, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

So, can we go ahead with the move? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 05:11, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
:Eh. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 05:13, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
::<s>I'm not answering that. "Eh" isn't a valid response.</s> What's that supposed to mean? ._. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 05:22, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm just partial to calling him Data Sora, y'know? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 05:23, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
::::...as am I. :| I guess the real question here is "Should we consider the NA site naming of Data Sora to be official?", since everything simply ''has'' to be official here, 'n' all. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 05:27, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

{{Chihuahuaman|time=03:20, January 5, 2011 (UTC)|text=I think we should move it to Sora (Data). And to the people saying that they like Data Sora better, do you want to start the Vanitas Remnant argument again? I say we should move, but my opinon might not matter because i am a simple (non-Mod/Admin) user.}}
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 @GS: If nobody is going to write anything, I'll try to whip up something that is descriptive of the virtual Sora's character and role in ''coded''.}}
 {{NinjaSheik|text=Hmmm...True enough that it's not the real Sora, but a virtual Sora. But Sora is still Sora, no matter what, right? Do as you see fit. I won't stop you.}}
 Data Sora is basically the same as the real Sora. Whats the point of making a seperate character? So you're gonna make every character in Kingdom Hearts coded in a seperate article called data in their title like Data Alice or Data Phil it doesn't make any sense. You should delete Data Sora and just use the real one. Cococrash11
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 ::Except... we call it that in every Drive Form article as well as the Data Form article, and I believe it's called that in the journal, too. {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=6:29am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}
-There will be a notice saying: "Data Sora redirects here. For Sora's Space Paranoids form, see [[Sora (Space Paranoids version)|Data Form]]." Or something along those lines.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:31, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
+There will be a notice saying: "Data Sora redirects here. For Sora's Space Paranoids form, see [[Data Form]]." Or something along those lines.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 06:31, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
 :Or "This article is about the character. You may have been looking for the form"? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 06:33, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
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 {{Chihuahuaman|time=03:20, January 5, 2011 (UTC)|text=I think we should move it to Sora (Data). And to the people saying that they like Data Sora better, do you want to start the Vanitas Remnant argument again? I say we should move, but my opinon might not matter because i am a simple (non-Mod/Admin) user.}}
-{{LA|Vtext=Thanks for your opinion, Chihuahuaman. It means a lot.}}
-{{Keyblade0|time=03:44, January 5, 2011 (UTC)|text=You can't argue with Offical things, like when everyone heard Aqua's voice actor for the first time. The deed had already been done, so let's move on.}}
-==Data Characters==
-I notice that only a few characters have individual Data pages and instead their information from Re:Coded is added to their regular character pages. Should this not be rectified? They're technically not the same characters. At the very least I would suggest maybe creating a "Data" section on character pages (maybe similarly to the Nightmare Armor section on Sora's Page?) because the character interactions between the Data does not pertain to the character's own interactions. This could even apply toward characters in RE:Chain of Memories, as it was again Data pulled from Memories which appeared rather than physical iterations of the characters. I would even suggest moving the information from Data-Sora, Data-Roxas, Data-Riku, and Data-Namine into a tab under the main articles as well. I know this would be a large project, but I feel it is necessary.
-([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 13:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC))
-:The problem is that if we do that, we have to do it for CoM (memory characters), coded (Data characters), DDD (Dream characters), and KHUX (again data characters). So we only have separate pages for the characters that are called "Data-" in the journal, because they are considered separate characters. Data-Hercules is considered the same character as Hercules, but Data-Sora isn't the same as Sora, for example. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:09, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
-:::Understandable, I would argue however that there would only need to be sections for Dream and Data, since Memory is treated the same way that Data is in RE:CoM and further throughout the series, that way you could keep any references to Data from Re:CoM, KHII, Re:Coded, KHX, and KHUX together in the Data section. Not only would this allow for a little plot expansion on pages because it would reduce the overall sizes of the pages, but it would help organize the information better. I understand that the Journal only refers to plot-relevant Data characters as such, but that doesn't mean that the others are not Data stil.  Honestly with the most recent update in KHUX it's a little hazy as to the differences between Data and Dreams anyway, as the world outside where the Dandelions dwell is presently glitching like Data, however it is meant to be a world made of Dreams as Ava stated in KHX: Back Cover. It just seems odd to me that's all. Especially when the layout already essentially exists with characters who already have branching pages, and the content that would be intended for these sections is for the most part already found on the pages as is. While on the topic as well, I would like to suggest splitting the Chirithy page to make it more organized, with the branching page being dedicated to Nightmare Chirithy. Both Chirithy and Nightmare Chirithy are major characters in KHX and really do deserve to be recognized separately (not to mention it would help control the information on the page a little better.[[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 14:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC))
-May I just suggest that we still follow through with diverging the pages? The only branch needed is for "Data" Characters. The umbrella covers everything - Memories, Dreams (which are just the by product of Memories) and straightforward Data. And many of the proposed pages for these characters appear in many of these different formats in KHRe:CoM, KHRe:Coded, KHDDD KHX, and KHUX. The Data that appears is just that, rather than interacting with the actual characters and I believe we would be better off separating them on that basis. This is why those titles have different character interactions in the first place, because of unique situations in which the raw Data is used, thus leading to diverging interactions. I just want to create branching pages for all of this information regarding Data because, fundamentally, suggesting that they are the same as their origin is false. ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 22:30, 8 March 2019 (UTC))
-== Re Mind ==
-Should we really count the Sora in the Limitcut episode as Data-Sora? He's not specifically called that (unlike Re:coded), and he's not really a separate character (again, unlike Re:coded). {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:55, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
-:I also have some agreements with your statement because despite some work I did earlier, I mainly had some hesitation which is why I avoided updating the Re Mind page and template because of it, along with stating it as a similar character since these are two separate characters. If necessary one option is to give the info its own page with a good enough name. -[[User:Adv193|Adv193]] ([[User talk:Adv193|talk]]) 00:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
-::We could also list him here under "Other appearances" for the time being, so it's not implied it's the same or another character with the same name. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 10:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
-:::Hades and Data-Hades are not the same, but go on the same page, ain't this kinda similar? --[[Special:Contributions/84.203.3.164|84.203.3.164]] 14:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
-::::Technically yes but going with this logic this data version of Sora should appear on the normal Sora page. Almost all characters in coded are data as almost all characters in CoM are memories, or at least created from memories, and most of the characters in DDD are some sort of cycling dream thingies, and almost all characters from KHUX are projection or even data of projections. Yet we treat them all as the same characters. Why? Because that's how they are treated by their respective games and journals: They don't make a difference. The data versions of Sora, Riku, Namine and Roxas are different though, here the game makes the distinctions because it's important for the story, that's why we have these pages.
-::::That's not really logical or satisfying but it works without having duplicate character pages everywhere and it follows the game "logic". That's why TSH is right, if the game (or an interview) doesn't call him Data-Sora, he isn't Data-Sora, just a Data-Sora. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 17:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
-::::In that case, I'd agree that putting the KHIII Data-Sora in an "Other appearances" section would probably be the best course of action at present. --[[Special:Contributions/84.203.3.164|84.203.3.164]] 18:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
-:::::I will also commit to this idea as well. -[[User:Adv193|Adv193]] ([[User talk:Adv193|talk]]) 00:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
-::::::An other appearance section on the Sora page or the Data-Sora page? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:33, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
-:::::::I say the Sora page as the character you play in limit cut has nothing to do with Data-Sora. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 12:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
-::::::::Seems like we're all in agreement, then. I'll go ahead and make the changes. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
-Maybe it should be on Data-Sora's page rather than Sora's. The area where the OrgXIII data battles takes place is called the Datascape in the trophies. --[[Special:Contributions/84.203.0.65|84.203.0.65]] 18:03, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
-:But it’s not the character Data-Sora. It’s a data version of Sora from KH3. It’s also not the same datascape. KH3 introduces that any data world is a datascape. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 19:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
-::Indeed it's not '''the Data-Sora''' but it is '''a data Sora''', it's the same kind of entity as Data-Sora - with the same makeup as him, so it would be better suited to go on the Other appearances section of his page rather the real Sora's. --[[Special:Contributions/84.203.0.65|84.203.0.65]] 22:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
-:::Read Shard of Truth's comment above. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 01:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)