Editing Talk:Cloud

== Cloud ''Strife'' ==
His name ''is'' Cloud Strife, isn't it? Why was it moved?
[[User:Durza|Durza]] - January 21st - 10:57 PM
*The page it originally redirected too was a redlink at the time. I didn't really "move" it, I just replaced the redirect with a page. I didn't use the last name because it didn't seem important, and because most of the characters are just known by their first names (like [[Vivi]], [[Setzer]] and even [[Leon]] - he'd sound pretty dumb as "Leon Leonheart"). '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott</font>]][[User talk:Scottch|<font color=#ff9900>ch</font>]]''''' 22:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
*His name isn't Leon Leonheart anyway. It's Squall Leonheart. He is called Squall once of the 1st kingdom hearts. Besides thats off topic. Is Strife really that important?




== I think this part should be changed ==
Sorry for bothering who ever is reading this but I strongly beleve we should remove/re-write this part

"Although Cloud is a much weaker boss than Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts, the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II implies that he wasn't fighting as hard as he could against Sora."

This sounds really unprofessional and like it was writen by a cloud crazed fan boy. Yeah Cloud is a cool guy but I think stuff like this messes up the artical.

Also "the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II". The fact? its a scene made for enertainment.

'''AGAIN,''' who did this post without signing ? There's more to the scene between Cloud and Sephiroth than just mere entertainment. The battle between Cloud and Sephiroth was instrumental in KH Final Mix and KHII because Cloud wanted to get rid of the darkness inside him.

True, that line sounds rather unprofessional and methinks it might have to be removed, but come to think of it - I do have to agree that Cloud wasn't fighting as hard as he could against Sora. Most of us, if not all of us, can defeat him with melee attacks, and rather effortlessly, too ! [[User:Troisnyxetienne|Troisnyxetienne]], 2009.01.11

== ANY official evidence for 'First Tsurugi? ==

Well, Kaihedgie, any evidence for the 'First Tsurugi' name? Especially something that contradicts that there is no name for the swords other than Fusion Sword/s?

I presume that with your constant revision of the entry that you have SOMETHING to support the name as more than a fan name. I mean, you're not simply changing it back based only on your say so, RIGHT?[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The [[w:c:finalfantasy|Final Fantasy Wiki]] clearly states in their [[w:c:finalfantasy:First_Tsurugi|article]] that First Tsurugi is a mistranslation. If we can't verify it, it is [[Help:Editing#Guidelines_for_Articles_.26_Pages|not allowed]] in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Please knock off the edits Kaihedgie; I don't want to lock such an important article, nor ban you. [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The term 'fusion sword' is used as a general term. First Tsurugi/Ken should be used to refer to the weapon itself. Regardless, First Tsurugi/Ken is used universally instead of 'fusion sword'.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Kaihedgie, while it may have been a mistranslation, it has become the undisputed name for it since it has no official name, so the First Tsurugi has stayed as it's name, It's similar to Nazo, an image of a Blue Super Sonic in an early Sonic X preview, the name has stayed dispite him never appearing, as has Asura, a glitch in Sonic 2 that turned Sonic green
And the Kingdom Hearts has had situations where a nick-name become universally known before confirmation of actual names, such as Roxas being "BHK", and if Roxas had never gotten an actual name? I suspect BHK would have stayed, yes?
First Tsurugi is much closer to an official name than "A type of fusion sword" is [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]]

Not when 'Fusion sword' is what the makers called it, and said they called in the official Reunion Files.[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 20:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Regardless, it's still called First Tsurugi universally. FF wiki KNOWS it's a mistranslation, but they still use 'First Tsurugi' as a universal term so why should this be any different. And for that matter, why still insist on callin' it so when the fusion aspect isn't even used in the game? [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

"The film's creative designer Takayuki Takaya has stated the individual swords have no names, and no other names for them have been put forth by the creators other than "fusion swords" which was used during development."
It was a prototype/development name, like the Gamecube was called the Dolphin, how many people call the gamecube a dolphin? [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]]

Soooo.... Evidence you say? How about the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania? http://uk.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html

"Takeyuki Takeya (the monster and mechanical art designer for the film) designed Cloud's First Tsurugi sword set used in the film. He says that he doesn't know what the individual names of the swords are, nor what their specific attributes are. "First Tsurugi" is, apparently, the name for the entire set and the completed sword (as most people thought, I believe), and the swords were just called "the fusion swords" during development because they weren't given proper names." [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]]

:That's not in the actual Ultimania itself. There was no Ultimania out at the time that Faq was written that included AC, only the Reunion files. Outside of adding the name First Tsurugi, Ryu Kaze was simply repeating the words from that book, which do not use First Tsurugi. He concluded the fan name was official based on no evidence whatsoever.[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 20:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

New suggestions:
*1) Wait until Dissidia comes out and see if it gets an official name then, as suggested by the FF wiki (who, I notice, was having a very similar discussion involving some of the folks here. Hmmm...)
*2) Call up Takayuki Takaya and ask him personally. Anyone got his number?
*3) Stop arguing over something so silly. We can all agree it resembles his sword from ''Advent Children'', right? So, let's refer to it that way until something more solid comes along. No mistranslations, "offical fandom", or any other weird stuff involved, okay?

Besides, I notice no one is fighting over which exact shuriken [[Yuffie]] has. Poor Yuffie...where's the love? [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 21:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, hey, everyone. The sword that Cloud uses in KHII is the Fusion Sword, not, the First... whatever.[[User:Innosense|Innosense]] 06:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

== Orgin ==

Did Cloud originate from Hollow Bastion along with the other final fantasy characters? - Orpheus_of_the_Lyre

Unknown, but presublibly, I'd bet my biscuts on it. But don't get your hopes up.[[User:Clarkmaster|CLARKMASTER!]] 00:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Cloud come from hollow bastion (or radiant garden), he fled the city like the other when Maleficent take the city with her heartless and go to the olympus coliseum.--[[User:Hotdragon 295|Hotdragon 295]] 14:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Cloud came from his own world that's unknown. I know the fight between him and Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts II is just for entertainment, but after he and Sephiroth disappeared, Sora, Donald and Goofy (I don't remember who said it) said that they went back to their own world. I think that might've stated that he came from his own world, but was still associated with the other Final Fantasy characters. '''''OR''''' he really did orinate from Hollow Bastion and fled like [[User:Hotdragon 295|Hotdragon 295]] said.  [[User:Yukima|Yukima]] 03:45, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Did anyone else stop to this about this... ==
{{PrincessAndie|serious= It says that Cloud was looking for his memories in CoM, maybe Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, and King Mickey weren't the only ones exploring the castle...}}
{{JudgmentDay95|time=12:44 26 September 2009 (UTC)|text=It's either that or:

1. Squeenix got lazy in terms of writing.

2. The result of Namine's memeory manipulation.

3. Some other third option.}}
:Keep in mind, most world subplots where slightly redone to be about memories (Cloud's looking for memories, not a person; the Queen of Hearts is out to get a memory thief, not someone who made an attempt on her heart; Finklestein's making a memory potion, not a heart, et cetera)...don't think about it so hard.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 21:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah. Duh.--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|Ifyoucanreadthisyoumustbeasmessedupasmecanisuggustyouadoctor?]] 23:45, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

==Speculation?==
Has anyone even looked at Final Fantasy VII? I'm pretty sure these attacks were also named in his sleights in Chain of Memories [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 16:18, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, from what I can see, his only slights are Omnislash and Cross-slash, all his other moves are basic attacks. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 17:02, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Cloud's wing ==

Where should it be noted that he seemed to have a bat wing on his right shoulder? I mean, it wasn't even in KHII, so I think the unexplained part needs to be mentioned. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] 15:57, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text="Protruding from his back is one large demonic wing..."

Please, read the article first.}}

::D'OH! My apologies... [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] 16:13, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Remember that Cloud design in KH1 is a design similar to Vincent Valentine of FF7, because both Cloud and Vincent was supose to be in the game but they change for Cloud alone and the "bat wing" like you says is a wing of chaos. You know (if you play to FF7 Dirge of Cerberus) the monster Named Chaos that Vincent can transform himself sometimes in the game.--[[User:Hotdragon 295|Hotdragon 295]] 14:52, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember where, probably here or in the Final Fantasy wiki, but it said that Cloud's demonic wing was supposed to be in contribution to Sephiroth's more angelic wing. Not sure how but it says that in one of the two wikis [[User:Yukima|Yukima]] 03:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Home World ==

{{Organization 13|time=[[User:Organization 13|Organization 13]] 11:22, May 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=How come it said Cloud's home world is Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden when he returns to his world after fighting Sephiroth in KH2 and Cloud says "I dont care about the affairs of this world" in KH2?}}
:...he doesn't return to his world after Sephiroth. He leaves again.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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 *The page it originally redirected too was a redlink at the time. I didn't really "move" it, I just replaced the redirect with a page. I didn't use the last name because it didn't seem important, and because most of the characters are just known by their first names (like [[Vivi]], [[Setzer]] and even [[Leon]] - he'd sound pretty dumb as "Leon Leonheart"). '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott</font>]][[User talk:Scottch|<font color=#ff9900>ch</font>]]''''' 22:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 *His name isn't Leon Leonheart anyway. It's Squall Leonheart. He is called Squall once of the 1st kingdom hearts. Besides thats off topic. Is Strife really that important?
 == I think this part should be changed ==
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 I presume that with your constant revision of the entry that you have SOMETHING to support the name as more than a fan name. I mean, you're not simply changing it back based only on your say so, RIGHT?[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
-The [[finalfantasy:|Final Fantasy Wiki]] clearly states in their [[finalfantasy:First_Tsurugi|article]] that First Tsurugi is a mistranslation. If we can't verify it, it is [[Help:Editing#Guidelines_for_Articles_.26_Pages|not allowed]] in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Please knock off the edits Kaihedgie; I don't want to lock such an important article, nor ban you. [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
+The [[w:c:finalfantasy|Final Fantasy Wiki]] clearly states in their [[w:c:finalfantasy:First_Tsurugi|article]] that First Tsurugi is a mistranslation. If we can't verify it, it is [[Help:Editing#Guidelines_for_Articles_.26_Pages|not allowed]] in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Please knock off the edits Kaihedgie; I don't want to lock such an important article, nor ban you. [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 The term 'fusion sword' is used as a general term. First Tsurugi/Ken should be used to refer to the weapon itself. Regardless, First Tsurugi/Ken is used universally instead of 'fusion sword'.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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 I think that Cloud came from his own world that's unknown. I know the fight between him and Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts II is just for entertainment, but after he and Sephiroth disappeared, Sora, Donald and Goofy (I don't remember who said it) said that they went back to their own world. I think that might've stated that he came from his own world, but was still associated with the other Final Fantasy characters. '''''OR''''' he really did orinate from Hollow Bastion and fled like [[User:Hotdragon 295|Hotdragon 295]] said.  [[User:Yukima|Yukima]] 03:45, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
-:He's shown with the other RG characters in the epilogue, indicating that he was part of them.
-:I always thought (even before Auron) that Cloud had died when the darkness overtook Radiant Garden, and that's why Hades was able to control him and his memories. Then, somehow, he escapes from OC.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:04, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
-I dom't think so, and I also don't think that Cloud is from RG after all he goes back to his real world in KH2 with Sepiroth right?--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 04:07, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 == Did anyone else stop to this about this... ==
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 {{Organization 13|time=[[User:Organization 13|Organization 13]] 11:22, May 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=How come it said Cloud's home world is Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden when he returns to his world after fighting Sephiroth in KH2 and Cloud says "I dont care about the affairs of this world" in KH2?}}
 :...he doesn't return to his world after Sephiroth. He leaves again.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::Goofy said "Do ya think [Cloud and Sephiroth] went back to their own world?" (at least, that's what the jist of the line was), which would imply that Radiant Garden was NOT Cloud's homeworld. [[User:Weedle McHairybug|Weedle McHairybug]] 04:10, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
-"Goofy: Where'd they go? Do ya think they made it back to their own world?
-Sora: They went somewhere else... Cloud went to fight a great battle---to defeat the darkness inside him."
-So, Sora is telling Goofy "No".
-:::The KH1 epilogue also shows that Aerith and the others are familiar with Cloud, and may have been looking for him. So, that also indicates he is from RG.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
-== Guilt ==
-{{ST|text=so, cloud seems to carry around much of the same guilt he did in advent children, so waddya think he feels guilty about, cuz it obviously isn't the same thing as in ac}}
-== Hmmm.... ==
-Okay.  So what if it just so happened that the person he was looking for was not sephiroth, but tifa?  Or perhaps Zack?  Just a thought... ([[User:Soraxas154|Soraxas154]] 23:49, September 16, 2010 (UTC))
-in KH1 it's confirmed in the credits the person he was looking for is Aerith as they met in Hollow Bastion. In KHII he clearly said the name Sephiroth. Also, Zack is supposed to be dead by KH1, except Nomura wants to bend FFVII's story and made him return in the future series [[User:17master|17master]] 13:45, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
-The person he is looking for IS Sephiroth NOT Aerith. 100% proved by reliable resources and by this article itself...CloudStrifeACC 17:51, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-in KHI he said "I'm looking for my light" or something. And it's (obviously) impossible that Sephiroth is his light. And on KHII, well, I answered it already. {{User:17master/Sign}} 17:55, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-Exact dialogue from KH2:
-Sephiroth: I see you've been looking for me.
-Cloud: Shut up.
-{{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 18:03, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-Also, he says "looking for [his] light" in KH, which is a thing. Then in KH2, he is looking for some''one'', who is explicitly stated to be Sephiroth. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 18:21, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-== Dissidia ==
-I'm unsure if an image of Cloud's KH attire for Dissidia 012 is needed or wanted, but if so - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cloud_KH_Dissidia_Outfit.png. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku]] [[User talk:Drake Clawfang|Kuroofangu]] 17:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
-== Cloud In-game Quotes.... ==
-Need Cloud's in-game quotes from KH2. The quotes that pop up when you press triangle near him...
-Example: "Sephiroth...I know you're here."
-CloudStrifeACC 17:46, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-== Not interested ==
-Just curious, when did Cloud say this quote? It's been a while since I played KH1, is it from that game? {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 01:58, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
-"Not Interested."-Cloud to Sora in Kingdom Hearts Chain/Re:chain Memories when Sora invites him to join the party.
-CloudStrifeACC 17:45, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
-== "Not Interested" in Dissidia?? ==
-{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=11:59, 2 July 2011 (EDT)|dickens=so I was playing ''Dissidia'' yesterday (the old one, not 012) and while reading the character info for Cloud, it says, and I quote: 'All he does is worry and mope around... "Not interested"? More like not interesting, if you ask me.' Reference to Kingdom Hearts? :O}}
-==Nojima Interview==
-I give up on trying to find the this interview. Using the link that was posted back on KH2.uk.co on online forums, all I got from the Wayback Machine was Nomura-sensei's [https://web.archive.org/web/20090217205908/http://www.kh2.co.uk/?page=NI/KH2U interview]. I won't be able to credit the translator or use a source if a link doesn't exist.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
-==Grammar==
-This sentence makes no sense: “After their battle, Cloud is either defeated, or comes out victorious, but refrains from defeating Sora.” If Cloud “came out victorious” that means that he already “defeated” his opponent. What he *did* was refrain from ''killing'' Sora. Is this bizarre wording the result of some content policy preventing the use of the word “kill”? [[Special:Contributions/64.237.239.147|64.237.239.147]] 18:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)