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His name ''is'' Cloud Strife, isn't it? Why was it moved? | His name ''is'' Cloud Strife, isn't it? Why was it moved? | ||
[[User:Durza|Durza]] - January 21st - 10:57 PM | [[User:Durza|Durza]] - January 21st - 10:57 PM | ||
*The page it originally redirected too was a redlink at the time. I didn't really "move" it, I just replaced the redirect with a page. I didn't use the last name because it didn't seem important, and because most of the characters are just known by their first names (like [[Vivi]], [[Setzer]] and even [[Leon]] - he'd sound pretty dumb as "Leon Leonheart"). '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott</font> | *The page it originally redirected too was a redlink at the time. I didn't really "move" it, I just replaced the redirect with a page. I didn't use the last name because it didn't seem important, and because most of the characters are just known by their first names (like [[Vivi]], [[Setzer]] and even [[Leon]] - he'd sound pretty dumb as "Leon Leonheart"). '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott]]</font>[[User talk:Scottch|<font color=#ff9900>ch]]'''''</font> 22:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
*His name isn't Leon Leonheart anyway. It's Squall Leonheart. He is called Squall once of the 1st kingdom hearts. Besides thats off topic. Is Strife really that important? | *His name isn't Leon Leonheart anyway. It's Squall Leonheart. He is called Squall once of the 1st kingdom hearts. Besides thats off topic. Is Strife really that important? | ||
== I think this part should be changed == | == I think this part should be changed == | ||
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"Although Cloud is a much weaker boss than Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts, the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II implies that he wasn't fighting as hard as he could against Sora." | "Although Cloud is a much weaker boss than Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts, the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II implies that he wasn't fighting as hard as he could against Sora." | ||
This sounds really unprofessional and like it was writen by a cloud crazed fan boy. Yeah Cloud is a cool guy but I think stuff like this messes up the artical. | This sounds really unprofessional and like it was writen by a cloud crazed fan boy. Yeah Cloud is a cool guy but I think stuff like this messes up the artical. | ||
Also "the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II". The fact? its a scene made for enertainment. | Also "the fact he was able to go head-to-head with him in Kingdom Hearts II". The fact? its a scene made for enertainment. | ||
'''AGAIN,''' who did this post without signing ? There's more to the scene between Cloud and Sephiroth than just mere entertainment. The battle between Cloud and Sephiroth was instrumental in KH Final Mix and KHII because Cloud wanted to get rid of the darkness inside him. | '''AGAIN,''' who did this post without signing ? There's more to the scene between Cloud and Sephiroth than just mere entertainment. The battle between Cloud and Sephiroth was instrumental in KH Final Mix and KHII because Cloud wanted to get rid of the darkness inside him. | ||
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I presume that with your constant revision of the entry that you have SOMETHING to support the name as more than a fan name. I mean, you're not simply changing it back based only on your say so, RIGHT?[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | I presume that with your constant revision of the entry that you have SOMETHING to support the name as more than a fan name. I mean, you're not simply changing it back based only on your say so, RIGHT?[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
The [[finalfantasy | The [[w:c:finalfantasy|Final Fantasy Wiki]] clearly states in their [[w:c:finalfantasy:First_Tsurugi|article]] that First Tsurugi is a mistranslation. If we can't verify it, it is [[Help:Editing#Guidelines_for_Articles_.26_Pages|not allowed]] in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Please knock off the edits Kaihedgie; I don't want to lock such an important article, nor ban you. [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
The term 'fusion sword' is used as a general term. First Tsurugi/Ken should be used to refer to the weapon itself. Regardless, First Tsurugi/Ken is used universally instead of 'fusion sword'.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | The term 'fusion sword' is used as a general term. First Tsurugi/Ken should be used to refer to the weapon itself. Regardless, First Tsurugi/Ken is used universally instead of 'fusion sword'.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I'm going to agree with Kaihedgie, while it may have been a mistranslation, it has become the undisputed name for it since it has no official name, so the First Tsurugi has stayed as it's name, It's similar to Nazo, an image of a Blue Super Sonic in an early Sonic X preview, the name has stayed dispite him never appearing, as has Asura, a glitch in Sonic 2 that turned Sonic green | I'm going to agree with Kaihedgie, while it may have been a mistranslation, it has become the undisputed name for it since it has no official name, so the First Tsurugi has stayed as it's name, It's similar to Nazo, an image of a Blue Super Sonic in an early Sonic X preview, the name has stayed dispite him never appearing, as has Asura, a glitch in Sonic 2 that turned Sonic green | ||
And the Kingdom Hearts has had situations where a nick-name become universally known before confirmation of actual names, such as Roxas being "BHK", and if Roxas had never gotten an actual name? I suspect BHK would have stayed, yes? | And the Kingdom Hearts has had situations where a nick-name become universally known before confirmation of actual names, such as Roxas being "BHK", and if Roxas had never gotten an actual name? I suspect BHK would have stayed, yes? | ||
First Tsurugi is much closer to an official name than "A type of fusion sword" is [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]] | First Tsurugi is much closer to an official name than "A type of fusion sword" is [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]] | ||
Not when 'Fusion sword' is what the makers called it, and said they called in the official Reunion Files.[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 20:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | Not when 'Fusion sword' is what the makers called it, and said they called in the official Reunion Files.[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 20:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Soooo.... Evidence you say? How about the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania? http://uk.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html | Soooo.... Evidence you say? How about the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania? http://uk.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html | ||
"Takeyuki Takeya (the monster and mechanical art designer for the film) designed Cloud's First Tsurugi sword set used in the film. He says that he doesn't know what the individual names of the swords are, nor what their specific attributes are. "First Tsurugi" is, apparently, the name for the entire set and the completed sword (as most people thought, I believe), and the swords were just called "the fusion swords" during development because they weren't given proper names." [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]] | "Takeyuki Takeya (the monster and mechanical art designer for the film) designed Cloud's First Tsurugi sword set used in the film. He says that he doesn't know what the individual names of the swords are, nor what their specific attributes are. "First Tsurugi" is, apparently, the name for the entire set and the completed sword (as most people thought, I believe), and the swords were just called "the fusion swords" during development because they weren't given proper names." [[User:Dark Paladin Danny|Dark Paladin Danny]] | ||
:That's not in the actual Ultimania itself. There was no Ultimania out at the time that Faq was written that included AC, only the Reunion files. Outside of adding the name First Tsurugi, Ryu Kaze was simply repeating the words from that book, which do not use First Tsurugi. He concluded the fan name was official based on no evidence whatsoever.[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 20:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | :That's not in the actual Ultimania itself. There was no Ultimania out at the time that Faq was written that included AC, only the Reunion files. Outside of adding the name First Tsurugi, Ryu Kaze was simply repeating the words from that book, which do not use First Tsurugi. He concluded the fan name was official based on no evidence whatsoever.[[User:Ryushikaze|Ryushikaze]] 20:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
New suggestions: | New suggestions: | ||
*1) Wait until Dissidia comes out and see if it gets an official name then, as suggested by the FF wiki (who, I notice, was having a very similar discussion involving some of the folks here. Hmmm...) | *1) Wait until Dissidia comes out and see if it gets an official name then, as suggested by the FF wiki (who, I notice, was having a very similar discussion involving some of the folks here. Hmmm...) | ||
*2) Call up Takayuki Takaya and ask him personally. Anyone got his number? | *2) Call up Takayuki Takaya and ask him personally. Anyone got his number? | ||
*3) Stop arguing over something so silly. We can all agree it resembles his sword from ''Advent Children'', right? So, let's refer to it that way until something more solid comes along. No mistranslations, "offical fandom", or any other weird stuff involved, okay? | *3) Stop arguing over something so silly. We can all agree it resembles his sword from ''Advent Children'', right? So, let's refer to it that way until something more solid comes along. No mistranslations, "offical fandom", or any other weird stuff involved, okay? | ||
Besides, I notice no one is fighting over which exact shuriken [[Yuffie]] has. Poor Yuffie...where's the love? [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 21:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Orgin == | == Orgin == | ||
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Unknown, but presublibly, I'd bet my biscuts on it. But don't get your hopes up.[[User:Clarkmaster|CLARKMASTER!]] 00:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | Unknown, but presublibly, I'd bet my biscuts on it. But don't get your hopes up.[[User:Clarkmaster|CLARKMASTER!]] 00:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Did anyone else stop to this about this... == | == Did anyone else stop to this about this... == | ||
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3. Some other third option.}} | 3. Some other third option.}} | ||
