Editing Talk:Birth by Sleep (video)

==Original Discussion==
I know it looks bare, but I'm about to add images once I'm done expanding.  Ideas for categories would also be appreciated ^_^  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 00:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
*I think the videos category might actually be a good idea. Do we have articles on Deep Dive and Another Side, Another Story? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
**No, but I'm hoping we will soon.  I've linked to [[Sunset Horizons]] in this and a couple of other articles, if there's enough material for separate articles there could be enough for a category I suppose.  It'd only have a few members, but these articles do need categories, so...  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 00:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

==Incorrect==
I joined specifically to change this: Aqua is not the only one of the three to use magic in the video. Ven shoots lightning at the 'Guardian', forcing it to flee upon the storm of keyblades. I will make edits to accord with this information. [[User:Gandalan|Gandalan]] 04:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

==Weirdness== 

In the first trailer that came with the english game, terra's cape is black, ven's is white, and auqa's is blue, plus the hazy figure walking twords them at the end has his arms out next to him, walking normaly, with HUGE bracelets on his wrists...

Then, when the trailer from the KH2FM+ video kicks in all three of the keybalde knights have white capes and the figure walking at them now has his arms crossed behind his back, and, unless they're now invisable, does not have HUGE bracelets on... wtf?  -I do not exist, and therefore, do not need an account.

== Terra and article split(s) ==

Terra (the eldest of the three guys) is sort of more important than the other two due to his appearance as a secret boss.  I'm tempted to split a good deal of his info into a new article, but that would set a precedent for making the other characters have their own article, and I'm just not sure they'll have enough material (articles that minor could easily become crammed with badly-written fancruft if left unchecked).  On the other hand, as more info on those characters appears, they may warrant separate articles... but who knows how long that's going to take?  So, any particular input from anyone?  I'll hold off on writing about Terra's appearance in Final mix for now.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 00:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

==New video==
Someone who knows how to do this needs to replace the video. The user who added it has taken it off. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I reverted to the one I originally put up... a shame, the one Fractyl2 put up was much better lighting-wise.  If anyone finds one better, feel free to replace.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 20:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

==About the Old Guy...==
I disagree with the part about the old man's features (orange eyes and pointed ears) being completely unique. Every single Organization XIII member has pointed ears and about half of them have orange eyes.
:Are you sure?  I took a look at some of the pictures just now - Xemnas and Saïx are the only ones who seem to have yellow eyes (Axel in particular has vividly green eyes).  Also, it doesn't look to me like any of their ears are pointed.  Can you give a specific example?  We have pics in each one of the members' articles for reference.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 20:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::Just as a follow-up, Xigbar also had yellow eyes, but most of the Organization does not.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 13:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

==Title==
I've moved the page back for a few reasons.  For one thing, the title of a video is a proper noun and should be capitalized.  [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=EaO&q=%22birth+by+sleep%22&btnG=Search Googling "birth by sleep"] turns it up capitalized everywhere (though "by" is sometimes lowercase") except in cases where the "birth by sleep" is in the context of the video caption ("It all began... with birth by sleep").  It's only lowercase there because it's words in the middle of a sentence, not because of it being a title or not.

Additionally, it's not necessary to have quote marks in a title.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 13:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Even regardless of the official capitilization, "by" should not be capitalized in titles.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 06:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Master Xehanort ==

I noticed that Master Xehanort was the only person in the video Birth By Sleep to have a keyblade that actually had a chain dangling from it.  Should that be noted, or left be?

[[User:Bane1190|Bane1190]] 02:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
{{NeloAngelo|text=This ain't a wikipedia, go ahead.}}

== Aqua, Terra and Ven = Kairi, Riku and Sora ==

Okay, well, I looked at how people are saying "Oh, Terra must be Sora" and all that, and I figured "Sora=Sky Ventus=Air" Doy! Also, think about it: Ven looks like Roxas, which is technically Sora! So, I think that Riku is Terra because Riku=Land Terra=Land! And obviously Kairi is Aqua. Also, going back to a post a bit down, I think maybe they're right. Maybe, as indicated by the title "Birth by Sleep", they all were adults, and changed back into children by the power of their hearts and sleep. Then, by some event, they were put into Hallow Bastion (Kairi) and Destiny Islands (Sora and Riku) after that, maybe, Kairi came to the Destiny Islands, and Kingdom Hearts 1, CoM, and 2 happened. Now these wonderful new games! Something to speculate on, ne? [[User:HarukaHeart13|HarukaHeart13]] 03:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I was reading the background history on Kairi, the fact she hailed from Hollow bastion where the original Ansem came from and the fact she was one of the 7 princesses.
I noticed the fact she can weild a Keyblade.

There is a very short scene near the end of KH2 game were Riku ( still looking like Xehanorts/Ansem heartless) gave her a keyblade inable to help out fight the Nobodies.

Fact remains only Sora should be able to weild the keyblade
Also Kairi's name has the same meaning as " The Sea" in which Aqua who can hold a keyblade in Birth By Sleep her name holds for water. There may be a strong impression that Aqua and kairi have a strong connection

Ansem the Wise and Riku come Kingdom hearts 2 had glwing gold eyes.  One character "Mickey" I think said " The eyes cannot lie" 
Terra the older of the BBS trio eyes changes upon the end of the Birth By Sleep preview and the fact tetsuya noted he has a big impact on the game story plot has the same equivalent as Riku's in the KH 1 and 2 series.

Ven the youngest and smallest of the group, withe the same blue eyes as Sora already hints that he may have a deeper rel between Sora.
The fact that this is 10 years before the incidents in KH1 and 2 means Kairi, Sora and Riku were around 4-5 years of age

5 years old perfect for the Time Kairi was still a resident of Radiant Garden.
The idea that the 3 Aqua/Terra/Ven could be Incarnations of Kairi/ Riku/Sora may be a possible chance or perhaps they were reverted to as children will be a great theory after the events of Birth by Sleep.

The fact of the history of The keyblade war means keyblades where normal weapons that before Sora could ONLY handle and perhaps the BBS storyline will explain why Sora was the chosen one
:I like how you really go out of your way to really really overcomplicate the relationship between the characters, with them being "incarnations" and other farfetched theories. Why not just go really really simple? As in, they are their parents or siblings, which is by far more likely? --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 21:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Well my speculations is that Sora,Riku and Kiair desendants of Ven,Teraa and Aqua.

....Erm, is this even worth discussing about? Does it even matter? Does anyone actually care?

i care. Like i think Terra is Sora's dad. And that Aqua and Ven or Terra and Aqua are love interests. Now, before this gets deleted, continue this on the actual Kingdom Hearts birth by sleep page. =)

Dood, those guys look a little TOO young to be anyone's parents D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 05:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:Haha now its between Terra's the uncle or Aqua got some teenage pregnancy. Good point there =)--Zack fair 007 06:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== COOL ==

THAT VIDEO IS AWESOME!  I DON'T HAVE A PSP MYSELF BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE A FUN GAME.  I HAVE A DS.  I'M GONG TO GET 358/2 DAYS BUT I DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE SO I'M NOT GETTING CODED.
:wow, pause here, Mickey here is a big turn-off though. but oh well, I'm looking forward for this game.--[[user:NeloAngelo|N/A]]


== Vens keyblade ==

i would like to mention that vens keyblade isn't the jungle king, the handle is different and it seems to be completly black, there's a picture of it here on the gamplay images subcatergory. ([[User:Myself 123|Myself 123]] 17:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC))

I thought "Coded" was on the PS3... Besides, isn't "Birth by Sleep on PS3, Wii, AND PSP?
I think There all at least on PSP or PS3. Ace Shadow 04:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

==A theory==
{{Zolo6|text=A funny theroy what if Master Xehanort's apprentice is the Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts I, he forgot everything before Ansem the Wise found him forgeting everything he started thinking he was Xehanort.

Example:like how Cloud thought he was Zack.}}

I may not have a fancy speech bubble but I think this is right, beause when ansem/xhenort/xhenort's heartless/if this theroy is true we still don't know his real name took Riku as his apprentice Riku wore an identical outfit to the "Guardian"

I made that theory NO JOKE check out my [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kingdomheartsfreek#Kingdom_Hearts_BBS| home page]] all that is in that theory is at my home page.

== A Note ==
{{oath|text=I don't know if it's notable or not but Xemnas' Nobody King Throne form thing has a similar appearance to the three knights armor.}}

== The Dark Soldier ==

I just wanted to say that the Dark Soldier's keyblade also has a chain.  It's easily seen at 1:05 right after he uses ice and the full chain can be seen at 1:09 when he flips onto the keyblade whirlwind to dodge Aqua's lightning.  [[User:Clayfair255|Clayfair255]] 09:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Clayfair255

==Keep it focused, folks...==
I've pulled all the info not directly about the ending movie out.  Let's keep this about the movie only from here on out, and not as a news & info article about the game itself. [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 22:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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 ==Incorrect==
 I joined specifically to change this: Aqua is not the only one of the three to use magic in the video. Ven shoots lightning at the 'Guardian', forcing it to flee upon the storm of keyblades. I will make edits to accord with this information. [[User:Gandalan|Gandalan]] 04:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
-Ven also uses the Earth spell at the beginning
-if you're talking about the rising ground, it's Master Xehanort. And the one that shoots lighning is Aqua [[User:17master|17master]] 09:07, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
-Was there really any point to answering something that was written 3 years ago? [[User:BlackSoulBlade|BlackSoulBlade]]
 ==Weirdness==
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 Then, when the trailer from the KH2FM+ video kicks in all three of the keybalde knights have white capes and the figure walking at them now has his arms crossed behind his back, and, unless they're now invisable, does not have HUGE bracelets on... wtf?  -I do not exist, and therefore, do not need an account.
-Not sure if this fits here but does anyone else find it strange how the dark orb in Xeanhort's hand has the pale yellow glow in it? Could it be Ven's heart? Yes Ven is still alive at the end however the pale yellow in the middle and the fact that KINGDOM HEARTS appears when it is cast upward is strange. Also coupled with new trailers it provides insight as to why Ven may want Aqua to "erase" him.
-{{No.i|time=17:40, January 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hey, does anyone know what that big machine behind terra is? the one that disintegrates, because it was not in the game. also, in the game terra, aqua and ventus never picked up sora, riku and mickey's keyblades, anyone know what it means?}}
 == Terra and article split(s) ==
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 == Aqua, Terra and Ven = Kairi, Riku and Sora ==
-Okay, well, I looked at how people are saying "Oh, Terra must be Sora" and all that, and I figured "Sora=Sky Ventus=Air" Doy! Also, think about it: Ven looks like Roxas, which is technically Sora! So, I think that Riku is Terra because Riku=Land Terra=Earth! And Kai=sea Aqua=water. Also, going back to a post a bit down, I think maybe they're right. Maybe, as indicated by the title "Birth by Sleep", they all were adults, and changed back into children by the power of their hearts and sleep. Then, by some event, they were put into Hallow Bastion (Kairi) and Destiny Islands (Sora and Riku) after that, maybe, Kairi came to the Destiny Islands, and Kingdom Hearts 1, CoM, and 2 happened. Now these wonderful new games! Something to speculate on, ne? [[User:HarukaHeart13|HarukaHeart13]] 03:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
+Okay, well, I looked at how people are saying "Oh, Terra must be Sora" and all that, and I figured "Sora=Sky Ventus=Air" Doy! Also, think about it: Ven looks like Roxas, which is technically Sora! So, I think that Riku is Terra because Riku=Land Terra=Land! And obviously Kairi is Aqua. Also, going back to a post a bit down, I think maybe they're right. Maybe, as indicated by the title "Birth by Sleep", they all were adults, and changed back into children by the power of their hearts and sleep. Then, by some event, they were put into Hallow Bastion (Kairi) and Destiny Islands (Sora and Riku) after that, maybe, Kairi came to the Destiny Islands, and Kingdom Hearts 1, CoM, and 2 happened. Now these wonderful new games! Something to speculate on, ne? [[User:HarukaHeart13|HarukaHeart13]] 03:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 I was reading the background history on Kairi, the fact she hailed from Hollow bastion where the original Ansem came from and the fact she was one of the 7 princesses.
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 Dood, those guys look a little TOO young to be anyone's parents D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 05:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 :Haha now its between Terra's the uncle or Aqua got some teenage pregnancy. Good point there =)--Zack fair 007 06:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
-Sean: Not a member. Birth by sleep is a hint (maybe). What if, as Soar is sleeping when his memory is being restored, Ven was aciddently "born".
-:So then he goes back in time ten years so he can star in BBS? >_>—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 08:39, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 == COOL ==
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 :wow, pause here, Mickey here is a big turn-off though. but oh well, I'm looking forward for this game.--[[user:NeloAngelo|N/A]]
-coded is only for japan sorry :(--[[User:Kingdomheartsfreek|KHF &quot;fight to win&quot;]] 20:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 == Vens keyblade ==
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 I may not have a fancy speech bubble but I think this is right, beause when ansem/xhenort/xhenort's heartless/if this theroy is true we still don't know his real name took Riku as his apprentice Riku wore an identical outfit to the "Guardian"
-I made that theory NO JOKE check out my [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kingdomheartsfreek#Kingdom_Hearts_BBS| home page] all that is in that theory is at my home page.--[[User:Kingdomheartsfreek|KHF &quot;fight to win&quot;]] 20:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
+I made that theory NO JOKE check out my [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kingdomheartsfreek#Kingdom_Hearts_BBS| home page]] all that is in that theory is at my home page.
 == A Note ==
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 ==Keep it focused, folks...==
 I've pulled all the info not directly about the ending movie out.  Let's keep this about the movie only from here on out, and not as a news & info article about the game itself. [[User:BebopKate|BebopKate]] 22:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
-== Things to note ==
-Hi! Not a member. Thinking about joining. Any way, Why does Ven , Terra and Aqua have the same color eyes (blue) till the blue heart appears? Terra's eyes become ember. Plus, is Master Xehanort the original Xehanort? The apprenntice to Ansem rembered nothing of his time before being with Ansem. Is this a coincidence?-Sean, 9:51.
-{{Brago-77|time=15:07, September 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=*sighs* Ok, first of all, it's 'amber' not ember. Second, nobody knows the answer to these questions, as there is practically no information on the overall plot at this point}}
-== Am I the only one who noticed this? ==
-{{Maggosh|text=In The Gathering, TAV pick up a second Keyblade each. In Birth By Sleep, those Keyblades are gone. They are never seen in the video.
-Why didn't they use them in their fight against Master Xehanort and Vanitas?}}
-== Theory About the Trio's "Keyblades" ==
-I don't believe them to be true Keyblades at all. Instead, I believe them to be actual swords made to look like a Keyblade. The fact that they have no keychains supports this theory. Soul Eater is also a sword made to look like a Keyblade, and the Keyblade Of People's Hearts was just incomplete, and most likely would have taken an entirely different form once completed. My theory is that Keyblades start out as simple weapons, like swords or clubs. Then, when the keychain is attached, it draws out the weapon's true potential, turning it into a Keyblade. I think the Soul Eater was turned into Way to the Dawn through this method. Anyone else think this?--[[User:Brain Golem|Brain Golem]] 15:19, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
-:The three Keyblades have Keychains, just not in the uncanonical Birth by sleep video.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
-Oh... Well in THAT case, that blows my whole theory out of the water... Oh well!--[[User:Brain Golem|Brain Golem]] 23:55, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
-== Birth by Sleep Query ==
-I think it's much more likely when a user searches for Birth by Sleep, that they are looking for Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep and not this video. We should change the redirect link to point at Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep.
-:Just a reminder to use four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or a custom signature to sign your posts on discussion posts and forums. Now, I feel that the user is right, when you think of Birth by Sleep, you think of ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep'', the game, not "Birth by Sleep", the secret video. Good job on redirecting the search query. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 23:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
-::I believe the redirect leads to the disamb page, right? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 02:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
-:::It does now, FM just did that a while after I posted here. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}}02:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
-== English capitalization ==
-It's called "Birth by Sleep" in English now, shouldn't the page be renamed? --[[Special:Contributions/88.74.27.64|88.74.27.64]] 10:34, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
-yes, kh2.5 is the new normal[[Special:Contributions/72.12.205.35|72.12.205.35]] 18:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
-I think so, too. Are there any objections to this before I move it?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:21, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
-==Commentary Section Removal==
-Is it necessary to have that section anymore? It feels redundant to have it since the secret ending video has been out for years.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)