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Kairi does not have a Keyblade. She can wield one, due to the semi-ceremony, but the Destiny Place isn't her's. Plus, it's just a keychain, apparently created by her influence, like Jungle King is made by Deep Jungle. At least according to the Another Report, it is Riku's Keyblade, which he is Synching and lending to her. It cannot be Aqua's, either, since Xemnas had possession of that in the Chamber of Repose.
Kairi does not have a Keyblade. She can wield one, due to the semi-ceremony, but the Destiny Place isn't her's. Plus, it's just a keychain, apparently created by her influence, like Jungle King is made by Deep Jungle. At least according to the Another Report, it is Riku's Keyblade, which he is Synching and lending to her. It cannot be Aqua's, either, since Xemnas had possession of that in the Chamber of Repose.


If you want the honest part of it, though? This whole thing's a mess, and Nomura isn't very good at writing coherent stories. KH1 was extremely clear about Sora's Keyblade being the one destined for Riku, but he lost his qualification. The Kingdom Key D was also a Keyblade found in the Realm of Darkness by Mickey. KH2, along with Nomura's interviews at the time, then add in three other Keyblades (Roxas/Sora's 2, Riku's 1, Riku's 2), and Nomura explicitly says that Riku's Soul Eater became his Way to the Dawn, and the Destiny Place was his. He also says that Roxas's Keyblade is "what Sora lost in Castle Oblivion". Days/coded then says that Roxas had the Keyblade before the Castle Oblivion incident, and gives Mickey another Keyblade. Finally, BBS tries to say that Keyblades would be passed down, which might indicate that Sora has Terra and Ventus's Keyblades, but then that leaves Riku unexplained - it is ''possible'', though never covered and in fact evidenced against, that a Keyblade can decide against its destined user due to darkness (what then of Xehanort's Keyblade? Or hell, Vanitas's? He was already dark when he got it.) It ALSO explicitly shows Terra's Keyblade going to the LS, physically, and then later appearing to save Aqua (and then it goes back? what?) Then, even if you argue that Sora has Terra+Ventus, and Riku has Xehanort+Aqua, the interviews indicate that Xehanort still has his Keyblade, he simply can't summon it, and Riku still uses the Way to the Dawn even after the Encoder erases Xehanort from his heart completely. You also have the problem of how Mickey "found" the Kingdom Key D, if you have to inherit it. Also, you have the problem of Vanitas - he has part of the heart of a Keyblade wielder, but he is a separate person, not a Nobody of Ventus - in fact, he is more than Ventus, since Ventus almost died without him. Basically, it was almost coherent, if fan-fic quality, at the end of KH2, and still possible with Days, but BBS and it's interviews make it fully contradictory.
If you want the honest part of it, though? This whole thing's a mess, and Nomura isn't very good at writing coherent stories. KH1 was extremely clear about Sora's Keyblade being the one destined for Terra, but he lost his qualification. The Kingdom Key D was also a Keyblade found in the Realm of Darkness by Mickey. KH2, along with Nomura's interviews at the time, then add in three other Keyblades (Roxas/Sora's 2, Riku's 1, Riku's 2), and Nomura explicitly says that Riku's Soul Eater became his Way to the Dawn, and the Destiny Place was his. He also says that Roxas's Keyblade is "what Sora lost in Castle Oblivion". Days/coded then says that Roxas had the Keyblade before the Castle Oblivion incident, and gives Mickey another Keyblade. Finally, BBS tries to say that Keyblades would be passed down, which might indicate that Sora has Terra and Ventus's Keyblades, but then that leaves Riku unexplained - it is ''possible'', though never covered and in fact evidenced against, that a Keyblade can decide against its destined user due to darkness (what then of Xehanort's Keyblade? Or hell, Vanitas's? He was already dark when he got it.) It ALSO explicitly shows Terra's Keyblade going to the LS, physically, and then later appearing to save Aqua (and then it goes back? what?) Then, even if you argue that Sora has Terra+Ventus, and Riku has Xehanort+Aqua, the interviews indicate that Xehanort still has his Keyblade, he simply can't summon it, and Riku still uses the Way to the Dawn even after the Encoder erases Xehanort from his heart completely. You also have the problem of how Mickey "found" the Kingdom Key D, if you have to inherit it. Also, you have the problem of Vanitas - he has part of the heart of a Keyblade wielder, but he is a separate person, not a Nobody of Ventus - in fact, he is more than Ventus, since Ventus almost died without him. Basically, it was almost coherent, if fan-fic quality, at the end of KH2, and still possible with Days, but BBS and it's interviews make it fully contradictory.
:There's also the fact that even in KH, it is known that Keyblade wielders can be evil and/or full of darkness, and Riku, while evil, gets the Keyblade in Hollow Bastion, so then how could the Kingdom Key "decline" Riku? Is it simply because Sora got to it first? Had his heart somehow gotten very weak during that one episode?
:There's also the fact that even in KH, it is known that Keyblade wielders can be evil and/or full of darkness, and Riku, while evil, gets the Keyblade in Hollow Bastion, so then how could the Kingdom Key "decline" Riku? Is it simply because Sora got to it first? Had his heart somehow gotten very weak during that one episode?


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Is it just my impression or the battle stance of Terra is used by Riku(only in DI) and Aqua's is used by Kairi (in the world that never was the only time she hold a <s>keyblade</s> weapon)--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 00:24, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
Is it just my impression or the battle stance of Terra is used by Riku(only in DI) and Aqua's is used by Kairi (in the world that never was the only time she hold a <s>keyblade</s> weapon)--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 00:24, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
{{RN867|time=9:44,Sept,03/10|ven= umm i dont think so riku's stance is like vantias's and kairi's looks similar to master eraqus stance (you have to really look to find kairi's stance)}}
{{RN867|time=9:44,Sept,03/10|ven= umm i dont think so riku's stance is like vantias's and kairi's looks similar to master eraqus stance (you have to really look to find kairi's stance)}}
{{Xabryn|text=In the battle against Riku in Destiny Islands he doesn't use the same battle stance as he usually does, it is more similar to Terra's and when Riku defend he defense is just like Terra's}}
{{RN867|time=10:45,Sept,03/10|ven= but in the flashbacks in RE:COM when riku is a kid he is using his usual stance it probably looked liked terra's because riku was only a boss in kh1 and th battle stance made him look more taunting}}
{{Xabryn|text=Don' forget that this wasn't a real memory namine created, Riku already used that battle stance in Castle Oblivion so Namine just used it in the memory instead of using the one he used by that time, also look at this:{{#widget:YouTube|id=1us0KFcrCYM}} around 2:20 it shows Sora and Riku fighting and his usual battle stance isn't showed. And about Kairi thing: Eraqus uses is keyblade with both hands and Kairi only use one hand in other words Kairi and Eraqus battle stances are not alike}}
{{RN867|time=11:12pm|ven= true namine did change the memories but namine's power is to manipulate them based on what actually happened, namine placed that memory before she met riku and she used memories that she saw of riku in sora. and riku's stance in kh1 isnt a technically a stance but more of a pose to taunt sora when he is fighting him}}
{{Xabryn|text=Maybe she didn't met the real Riku bu by that time she probaby met Riku Replica and he uses the same batle stance as Riku. Look at when Riku defends in any battle and how Terra defends they're very alike only Terra's defense is pointing his Keyblade down and Riku is pointing it to the side, that's what made me think about it so I noticed that Riku in DI seems to use a battle stance similar to Terra's in that time}}
{{RN867|time=11:29pm|ven= the blocking thing isnt part of the battle stance its a block, riku blocks downwards cause its quicker, and same with terra, im sure people have noticed the change in battle stance but dismissed it because of the change in khCoM}}
{{Xabryn|text=You're probably right. My theories always end up being wrong so there is no point on argue about it}}


== Ven is not the reason Sora can use the keyblade. ==
== Ven is not the reason Sora can use the keyblade. ==
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Sora gained a keyblade because his heart was stronger than Riku not because of Ven or some ceremony.
Sora gained a keyblade because his heart was stronger than Riku not because of Ven or some ceremony.
--[[Special:Contributions/24.7.239.218|24.7.239.218]] 00:53, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
--[[Special:Contributions/24.7.239.218|24.7.239.218]] 00:53, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
{{ShardofTruth|time=09:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)|talk=Most of this explanation is right, except Nomura clearly stated why Sora could use a keyblade at the beginning of KH in the KH Ultimania:<br>
'''Question:''' Even though Riku was the rightful owner of the Keyblade, then why did Sora obtain the Keyblade in the beginning?<br>
'''Nomura:''' Even though I would like to keep that obscure, there is a scene in Destiny islands where Riku is being swallowed by darkness, a light appears, and Sora first obtains the keyblade. With the setting I created, the darkness that surrounds them is Riku’s heart’s darkness. At that moment, Sora enters the darkness, and the light he sees inside is Riku’s heart’s light. Sora, who was squirming in the darkness to save Riku, touched the light and temporarily obtained the Keyblade from Riku.<br>
So let's rewrite the passage.}}
{{KrytenKoro|So Sora ''did'' steal the Keyblade from Riku. Why then do the Journal profiles say Riku lost it because it rejected his darkness (Master Xehanort and Vanitas, though?), and why can't Riku keep it when he takes it back?}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=21:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)|talk=Maybe these are the part that are still "obsucre". Riku could be unable to hold Sora's keyblade because he uses the Soul Eater at this point and we don't know how keyblades from the Realm of Darkness behave (if Master Xehnaort's Keyblade and Vanitas's Void Gear are of this type). Anyway Sora can use two keyblades because of Ventus but did not obtain his own keyblade because of him.}}
{{LightRoxas|ven=I think there's a difference between where one's Keyblade comes from and where their ability to wield a Keyblade comes from. It is my understanding that Sora gets his Keyblade from Riku but the ability from Ventus. Although if you guys think I'm wrong, we can change things.}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=20:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)|talk=Hmm, I really don't know. You mean even if Captain Jack Sparrow could grab Sora's keyblade he wouldn't be able to use it unless his heart is stronger than Sora's or he has another keyblade wielder's heart inside him? That seem's too complicated too me.}}
:Actually, yes, that's exactly what I mean. You need the weapon and the ability; one or the other doesn't get you anywhere. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
::Regarding the post in the Forum: This seems to explain how Sora ''got'' the Keyblade, not ''why he can wield one''. The game journals themselves also say that Riku lost the Keyblade to Sora "when he chose darkness over light"...so either the journal is being incredibly disingenuous, or the Nomura interview was not translated totally correctly. (Or, Nomura is contradicting his own damn self and shouldn't be trusted).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:::We also have to take into consideration that the interview from the KH Ultimania is from 2002. So maybe the ingame information is more correct at this point than Nomura's answers about matters that did become more and more complicated with each game. We also don't know what makes a heart weaker (or stronger for this matter), or do we?--[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Honestly, I think Nomura just didn't plan ahead that well. He probably didn't think KH would catch on as much as it has. I'd say we should trust in-game info. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 23:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
== Squall (Leon) ==
What, exactly, is this glow? Squall held Sora's keyblade in KH1. So is now he a candidate also? Might be interesting to see a Final Fantasy Keyblae wielder. [[User:Netherith|Netherith]] 03:17, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
{{RN867|time:11:20pm|ven= not everyone who touches a keyblade is capable of becoming a keyblade wielder one must be qualified and must have a strong enough heart, as such Squall/Leon doesn't meet qualifications.}}
== Aqua-Kairi ==
{{ST|text=i just thought of something, where does it say that aqua accidentally preformed the ceremony on kairi? sure she touched the keyblade, but so what? as mentioned above tons of people have touched a keyblade before, doesn't mean that they're suddenly inheritance candidates}}
{{RN867|time=6:09|ven= well im guessing because kairi is a princess of heart she met the qualifications to wield a keyblade so aqua maybe did accidentally preform the ceremony.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=It's confirmed by Nomura.}}
May I see a link of the confirmation of that?--[[User:KRoNoS|KRoNoS]] 04:42, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
The keyblade has to accept the person that touches it. The keyblade accepted Kairi, but not the other people that have touched a keyblade
:It accepted Riku. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 05:22, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
== Inheritance??? ==
I know this hasn't been shown, but can the Keyblade be handed down to more than one person, or just one?  --[[User:ThomasFanAC|ThomasFanAC]] 20:02, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
{{RoxasXIIILK|time=20:31, February 4, 2011 (UTC)|roxastalk= No I'm pretty sure only one person can recieve a keyblade from a single weilder (techniquely master.) It seems to be a very formal ceremony not to mention keyblade don't seem to be take common... but I supposed that's just my oppinion.}}
I'm sorry, i had to use your template or my post would be kinda hard to see.
I am not RoxasXIIILK I am Guest.
Now, i think this is all rubbish, first of all there is absolutely no way that two keyblades can be in different places at the same time.
Xion's keyblade is a copy of Sora's, but it's not a sham. it is as real as any other keyblades, there are as many keys as there are weilders, i believe this, but i hate Nomura for making the series so messed up! i am considering believing the "Xion's keyblade is memories" theory though, since that would make sense due to her acctually having taken on the appearance of leaked memories....
Second of all, sora's keyblade is not terra's. in fact i completely disagree with the "All keyblades come from others" theory. that's bullpoop. HOWEVER Ventus's keyblade IS sora's second keyblade. and Roxas's second keyblade is also ventus's hence explainging the fact that sora can only weild two AFTER Roxas comes back to him.
Ven's heart stayed in roxas when sora turned to a heartless. wich explains his feelings and appearance.
Sora: Has his own keyblade. uses Ventu's keyblade as extra in synch blade.
Roxas: has his own keyblade wich technically has the same keychain as sora's because he is sora's nobody. uses Ventus's keyblade is synch blade.
Xion: The most explainable theory is that: Her appearance is due to leaked memories about kairi, but everyone veiws her differently, Xemnas and Xigbar veiw her as Ven becaue Braig and esspecially both of Xemnas's somebodies: MX and Terra both had strong bonds with him, MX being his former master and Terra being his best friend.
And because Sora is related to ventus, granting the complete access to the Ventus appearance.
Xion will only reaveal the Kairi with black hair appearance to friends. Roxas having bonds to sora who obviously knows kairi, it would be obvious for him to see her like that but Axel...i dunno, posisibly because Lea had connections to Ventus who had connections to sora who had connections to kairi...
Xion's keyblade is most likely, as said before, memories of Sora's keyblade.
Xemnas: now Xemnas is an exceptinal being, being th Nobody of two somebodies: MX and Terra, he has both their memories AND the memories of Xehanort (i mean the gray haired terra Xehanort, y'know. Terranort if you want) so really he's the Nobody of three people. that's why he's one of my favorite characters in the series. he is exceptional indeed.
BTW, The only way Sora could supposedly save Terra, would be to separate the Terranort back into terra and MX but then Sora might have MX to take care of. wich intrigues me of an idea to KH3.
So that about explains it. the inheritance to others theory is a farce. there are as many keyblades as there are weilders.
P.S. Again, i am sorry for using your template RoxasXIIILK
{{Dark-EnigmaXIII|time=00:52, February 5, 2011 (UTC)|dragon=Nice, but take these theories to the forum, please. Also, I dont mean to be rude, but your post could have been seen without the need of Roxas's Template. That is kinda like stealing, but I let him decide.}}
Xemnas does not see Xion as Ven. He explicitly says he sees her as Sora.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:34, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
Okay.... I guess that makes sense.  But just so all of us can be on the same page, maybe I need to rephrase my question.  Can a Keyblade Master choose more than one successor, or only one?  In other words, is there more than one or two ways to become a Keyblade wielder than what was shown?  --[[Special:Contributions/68.52.70.92|68.52.70.92]] 03:11, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
{{RoxasXIIILK|time=03:17, February 5, 2011 (UTC)|roxastalk= A master can only choose one successor. The only way to become a keyblade weilder (techniqualy speaking) is to inherit it by the ceremony as Riku and (inadvertantly) Kairi did. However Sora, Roxas, and Xion are exceptions to this as Sora got his Keyblade from Ventus when their hearts where merged together, Roxas got his keyblade(s) by being Sora's Nobody, and Xion got her's due to the fact that she was created by the leaked memories of sora.}}
==Glow==
The glow only appears in the original Japanese version, it doesn't appear in neither the NA or FM versions... {{User:Erry/Sig}} 06:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
Don't we consider the FM version to be the canon version when it's released?{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}13:47, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
Can someone tell me what is this glow of light cuz I can't see it even in the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-wsWVhuODw Japanese version].--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 18:09, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:In the original Japanese release of KHBBS, there was a brief glow when the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony was performed. This is how we know that Kairi unintentionally received the Keyblade from Aqua.
:And, may I say, Google Chrome is awesome. So glad I switched. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 03:24, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
== Possible reason Lea might have a keyblade in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance ==
While skimming through this article it just came to me, is it possible the reason Lea can wield a keybalde in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance is because Lea has touched Ven's keyblade when going to Radiant Garden making it a Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony --[[User:Kh2cool|Kh2cool]] ([[User talk:Kh2cool|talk]]) 00:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
:That Keyblade was wooden...the reason behind Lea's ability to wield has been explained already. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 02:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh yeah, that didn't slip my mind for a minute. --[[User:Kh2cool|Kh2cool]] ([[User talk:Kh2cool|talk]]) 18:00, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
==Name==
Did BBS give provide this English name? KH3D calls it the "Bequeathing".  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Where did we get "Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony" from? Because I don't remember it in any game so the "Bequeathing" seems to be the only name we got from an official source. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
::FifteenthMember-san, Neumz-senpai started the same topic above. ^^; I don't know who came up with the name either, but I'm all for it to change it to be "Bequeathing". If that is what the game used, then we should use it, too. Any objections?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
:::I'm all for using what the games use, as well! - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 02:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::I'm all for changing it too. Though I would suggest keeping the word Keyblade in the title, calling it the "Keyblade Bequeathing", just so other readers understand immediately what we're talking about. Just a suggestion. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 06:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Keep in mind we can create a redirect of keyblade inheritance ceremony for the new page. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 11:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::::"Keyblade" isn't part of the name used in KH3D, though. If we're changing the title to reflect the official name, then we should use the official name.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Well, I only put that for the sake of 'Bequeathing what?' But if I must I'll remove that part of the name from the suggestion prompt. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 17:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
::::Looking back in the history, the person who first created the page was a user called Rjilano. So, yeah, the name is unofficial. I tried looking for interviews, too, thinking that may be where the name came from, but I got nothing. I already said this when the topic was brought up, but I'm up for moving it, too. By the way, I also mentioned that Neumz-senpai asked the same question above, so it is okay to combine it, because having two sections with the same topic is just redundant.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I'm for moving. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::Enough time has passed, and everyone here is in agreement about the move, so I'm going to move it now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
==Master-level==
I know that if you're on the level of a Master, then you can Bequeath someone, but where was this stated? Was it in a Nomura interview or something? I can't find the source. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 15:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
:''-- The Keyblade succession can only be performed by a Keyblade Master, but we see Terra performing this rite with Riku - does this mean we can consider Terra a Keyblade Master?''
::''Nomura: No. Terra was not awarded that title by his Master Eraqus, so no matter how Master Xehanort flatters him he is not a Keyblade Master. But that's just a matter of whether or not he's achieved the official title. Even Eraqus recognised that Terra possessed suitable power to be a Master, which is why he was able to perform the rite for Riku.''
:http://forums.khinsider.com/birth-sleep/147009-bbs-ultimania-plot-mysteries-nomura-interview.html
::Thank you! --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 19:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
=="power to wield a Keyblade"==
What's the source for the Bequeathing giving someone the power to wield a Keyblade or actually doing anything at all? I've seen so many people say this, and I've even said it as well many times before, but after looking into it, I can't find a source. As far as we know, the Bequeathing is just a tradition like the Mark of Mastery is and doesn't actually do anything. As far as we know, all you need in order to wield a Keyblade is to have a strong heart. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 02:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
:Well, we know that when a person with a strong heart touches a Keyblade, they can wield one, as seen in BBS by Kairi, so maybe the Bequeathing is just a formal way of letting someone touch your Keyblade, and thereby passing on the Keyblade-wielding ability. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
::"Through the "Bequeathing," they choose the next generation of Keyblade wielders" / "He decided to bequeath the power of the Keyblade to this little boy, who reminded him so much of himself."{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you! The "He decided to bequeath the power of the Keyblade to this little boy, who reminded him so much of himself" is the concrete proof I needed! --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 03:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
::::So, doesn't that mean that the question "How does Sora have the ability to wield a Keyblade?" is currently unanswered? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 03:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Yes, it does. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::It's a combination of Sora having Ventus's heart within him, and forging Riku's Keyblade from his heart during that scene on Destiny Islands.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, according to Nomura, aside from the ability to use Synch Blade, Sora "hasn't actually inherited much from Ventus". Remember, the Master of Masters was the first Keyblade wielder, so he couldn't have had the Bequeathing performed on him. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:28, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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