Editing Talk:Behemoth

==Artificial==
What the heck!?  The game itself says that the Behemoth is artificial!  Emblem is exactly the same as artificial, hence it should stay in the Artificial category!--[[User:Dreyfus2006|Dreyfus]] 20:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

==Easy==
Am i the only person who thought they were easy? [[User:Myself 123|'''<font color="scarlet">Myself 123</font>''']] 13:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Even '''I''' thought Behemoths were easy. Even their counterparts, the Destroyed Behemoths and the Arch Behemoths, were no different.}}

==A few points to ponder==
{{TNE|text=Are you guys sure it's '''Arc''' Behemoth and not '''Arch''' Behemoth ? (The "arch" in this case is pronounced "arc").

Also, shouldn't we be using the English version of the Journal category i.e. Jiminy's Journal, rather than Jiminy Memo ?}}

{{KrytenKoro|Where is this name coming from? The only appearance of this Heartless' name in Japanese materials is this game, which hasn't been translated. The name is meant to refer to its frozen appearance (Arc-tic), as attested to by [http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~radical/kh/kh-hl.htm multiple Japanese fansites]. "Arc" is also a valid translation of the katakana:

* アーク  (n) (1) arc; (2) arch-;


For the Jiminy Memo bit - I thought that was what it's called, but looking at my game, it should be Journal. I'll change it.}}

{{TNE|text=Thankies ^_^

Meanwhile, most of us English-speakers might end up with the second translation of アーク (as you've seen in previous versions of the page ; I wasn't the one who started it) as it is meant to be the most powerful of the Behemoth variants. It doesn't look frozen, does it ? It's got blue flames...

Ya know, I think we'd better call in [[User:BebopKate|our friendly neighbourhood sysop]]. She might know better.}}
{{KrytenKoro|It has the least HP of all of them, though. Destroyed is the one that supposedly is more powerful than a regular Behemoth.

To me, those look like frost, not blue flames.}}

{{TNE|text=Strange. But then again, if that's the case, then how is Destroyed linked to flames ? Destroyed can be linked to any element, for that matter.}}
{{KrytenKoro|It could be an explosion, something linked to Hell, those fires you always get once someplace is destroyed, I guess. But the ice-blue coloration of the Behemoth and the frigid look of End of the World make more sense than using "Arch" for the weakest ones of the set, who even appear more often than the others.}}

{{TNE|text=Mmmm. I see. Thanks for clearing things out. ^_^}}

== Changes ==

{{KrytenKoro|
#Each type of Behemoth has different stats, appearance locations, and rewards. The information placed into each infobox is no more redundant than any random two Heartless. Furthermore, the way you have it set up, the images overlap the section headers, causing the page to pile up.
#I'm getting the Jiminy image fixed, but the Journal templates categorize the character by appearance, and list the appearance info neatly. Look at [[Xigbar]]'s journal section, and compare it to [[Pinocchio#Journal]]. If getting stuff converted is a problem, I will do it all myself.
#There is no reason for removing the header for the violet Behemoth section.
#The strategies, though, are the same for all of them, and should not be in just one section.}}

{{TNE|text=Yep, there's a slight conversion problem..... I also noticed that for the violet Behemoth, when the journal template was created. Think we can rectify it ? o.O}}

== What a mess. ==

{{Guardian Soul|text=I really think merging all of the Behemoth articles was a bad idea.  This page is always such a mess now.  I think we should either put them back to separate pages and just add more detail, or do...  Something else.}}

{{TNE|text=Separate pages would be worse. Destroyed Behemoth and Arch Behemoth on their own already had so few details. We'd be having two extra stubs !

The mess comes from the infoboxes, right ? o.O}}
{{Guardian Soul|text=In my opinion, since some of those Behemoths get journal entries, they should technically be on seperate articles.  I could easily add more information to the pages.  If that isn't an option though, I'll try figure something out to make it look nicer.}}
{{TNE|text=Okay, fair enough. But what about the rest of the Final Mix+ enemies ? Since they've got the Merge template (or, they have already been merged, I don't know), shouldn't they all be separated because they have their own journal entries ? All we do need now is someone to translate the journal entries for us.}}
{{Guardian Soul|text=Actually, I think quite a few of them are already seperated.  I'll have to go over them.}}
{{TNE|text=Until and unless we can get the translation of the Jiminy Memo entries (which, honestly, I'm bad at, and my PS2 is under lockdown), this thing seems like a no-go.....}}


Using the Final Mix enemies video on youtube, this is what I have so far for Destroyed Behemoth:

<blockquote>
:ベヒーモスの上位種。
:その名が示す通り、????
:でもベヒーモスをしのぐ
:?
:?
:ベヒーモスと同じそうだ。
</blockquote>

Something like

<blockquote>
:A higher rank of Behemoth.
:This name denotes that it has exceeded ????
:But it has surpassed the Behemoth
:?
:?
:Some say it looks the same as a Behemoth.
</blockquote>

{{TNE|happytext=OMG ! Please try and get the full journal entries. We'd be glad !}}
:If anyone has the actual game and could get screenshots, that would be great. Right now, I'm having to stare at a a grainy youtube video, and at least five kanji are completely invisible because of the Behemoth in front.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.230.49|98.223.230.49]] 03:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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 {{TNE|happytext=OMG ! Please try and get the full journal entries. We'd be glad !}}
 :If anyone has the actual game and could get screenshots, that would be great. Right now, I'm having to stare at a a grainy youtube video, and at least five kanji are completely invisible because of the Behemoth in front.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.230.49|98.223.230.49]] 03:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
-{{TNE|text=I have the actual game, but I'm not sure how to get screenshots, and as I might've said earlier, my PS2 is under lockdown. Any way to play it on the PC ?}}
-==Separating==
-{{Guardian Soul|text=So I'm going to separate the three Behemoths once more.  My reasoning has to do with the fact that each Behemoth has been given it's own entry, showing that they aren't just variants.  For example, even though they went with original Behemoths in the original KH, if you look at FM without the original KH in mind, you would look at them as separate Heartless.  This is similar to the Red Nocturnes, Blue Rhapsodys, ect.  They look the same, but the creators considered them different.  I think that every variant that actually has a journal entry should be considered different,  especially since that bit of translation posted above even states that Destroyed Behemoths are of a higher rank.
-At least for now we can have it this way so that the original Behemoth article doesn't look so blank and messed up.  Either way, I'm going to start improving all of the Final Mix articles, so I'll try my best to give the other two Behemoths as much information as I possibly can.  I'll also try to get those journal entries somehow, so hopefully this works out alright.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|Could you please at least allow discussion before undoing all of this? You guys keep on asking me to work on drafts before making drastic changes, and I've been doing so - could you give the courtesy of doing the same?
-The translation above also indicated that destroyed Behemoth's were still considered a type of Behemoth, just one of the stronger ranks.}}
-{{Guardian Soul|text=Look above, I've already brought this up...
-And the fact that it has another entry besides the original Behemoth pretty much shows that it's considered a different enemy.}}
-== Pronounciation ==
-How Do You Pronounce It's Name Anyway?
-{{DTN|text=Bee-hee-muth.}}
-== Recolors ==
-{{KrytenKoro|Okay, Red Armor and Sneak Army were legitimately in the original game, they just had incorrect names.
-Arc and Destroyed Behemoth, however, did not appear in their colors in the original game, but ''are'' basically the same enemy in Final Mix as in the original, just with different colors and the correct name.
-Do we want to treat the Hollow Bastion Behemoth like it's the only "real" Behemoth, for the purposes of this page, and just note the Final Mix corrections in the trivia here and on the other two Behemoth pages; or do we want to keep it like it is now?
-Personally, I would prefer the former.}}
-== difficulty ==
-{{ghostboy3000|text= i didn't have any problem defeating the Behemoth}}
-== Behemoth Problem ==
-Maybe we should not merge the pages because in Final Mix they have diffrent journal entries.
-== Released Hearts ==
-When the Behemoths are defeated they release many small hearts instead of one big heart it is the only Heartless to do so should we mention that in the article --[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 01:03, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
-==Jiminy's Journal anomaly==
-{{TNE|time=17:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)|text=Remember the anomaly introduced in KHFM where the Behemoth in Hollow Bastion is the only one we encounter, and we repeatedly encounter Destroyed and Arch Behemoths after this point....... but there is still a ''counter'' for the number of standard Behemoths we have defeated, which permanently stays at 1? I always found that bit strange and unnecessary, but that's just me.}}