Editing Talk:Another side, Another story...

Hey, i was wondering why we have 3 pages with basically the same name(2 with the exact) and the exact information?  Couldn't we change one of these to be the Deep Dive version?

hi i was watching a video on youtube (here's the link)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCY_gG-uZE&feature=related and i stopped on 2:07 and i saw the words the gathering and i thought of the gathering as in the secret kingdom hearts 2 ending and i thought wow! [[User:Darksoldier|Darksoldier]] 12:21, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

==Quotes==
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=09:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
|text=I was thinking we could identify the points where the quotes are actually used, i.e. bearing in mind the fact that they were retroactively inserted into KHII. These are the ones I can remember singular instances for:


*"''The door to the light''"
::Multiple mentions
*"''This time I'll fight''"
::Kairi, when Riku gives her a Keyblade in the WTNW
*"''Your highness... but why?''"
::?
*"''Behind the Darkness''"
::?
*"''This is the world in its true form''"
::?
*"''We have come for you. My Liege''"
::Dusk, to Roxas during the Photograph Theft incident
*"''You are the source of all heartless''"
::Xemnas to Ansem before the KH Encoder blows up
*"''Maybe our journey meant nothing after all''"
::Sora after Saïx tells him about the Organization's plan
*"''Who is Nobody you ask? They are the non-existent ones''" 
::?
*"''His voice... I don't hear it any more''" 
::Kairi to Selphie, on the subject of Sora
*"''Can we do it? Against That''"
::I ''think'' this is Sora, possibly to Riku in the WTNW, but I can't remember...
*"''Sora... Why?''"
::?
*"''Is this the answer you've been looking for?''" 
::?
*"''What is this place?''" 
::?
*"''What took you so long, Kairi?''" 
::Axel to Kairi in Twilight Town (I never understood quite what he meant by this, tbh)
*"''It's not over yet''" 
::?
*"''Sora''"
::Multiple instances, duh
*"''Paradise''"
::?
*"''We'll go together''"
::Sora to Riku at the end, also paraphrased as "We will go together" by Xemnas to Sora


There's also:
*"''He looks just like you''"
::Sort of retconned to "He looks a lot like you" in KHII


Worth adding?
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{{Xaity|blah=The "He looks just like you is what [[Xemnas]] says to Sora after the battle in [[Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix]]}}

"It's not over yet" is after the final boss fight when Sora and Riku are surrounded by Dusks. BTW, Riku is the one who said it.[[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 19:10, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
:"Who is Nobody you ask? They are the non-existent ones," sounds like Yen Sid. It was probably cleaned up to deal with the inconsistent grammar in the English version.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 01:27, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
"Your highness... but why?" is in the final Twilight Town visit when Sora asks Mickey why he can't say where Riku is. [[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 20:22, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

== keyblades ==

Hey, I saw that Roxas was holding the Kingdom Key and Oathkeeper in his hands after he threw Oblivion to Riku. [[Special:Contributions/68.205.18.41|68.205.18.14]]

{{Xaity | angry=This is a talk page where you suppose to use talking bubbles so we know who you are!
2nd-No, He's holding Oathkeeper and Oblivion at the begining and after that he's throwing Oblivion at Riku, but isted of getting hitted he catched it.}}

Xaity, Either way, he does mention something intresting, throwing or trying to hit riku or not.
Original poster, you should '''sign your signatures'''. Xaity, it doesn't nescasarilly have to be chat boxes. He can just sign his signature. EDIT: Checked the history logs: the Original poster was [[Special:Contributions/68.205.18.41|68.205.18.14]]. Appropriate, i guess. Added link to his Special:Contributions page.[[Special:Contributions/124.121.224.43|124.121.224.43]] 09:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

== "He looks just like you/He looks a lot like you" ==

{{Xemwath|text=He looks just like you/He looks a lot like you".  Me personally, I don't see much of a resemblance between Sora and Roxas.  Do you think he was comparing Roxas' physical appearance to Vens?  Please note that Xenmas called Aqua's armor "friend" so he obviously knew them.}}

== Neoshadows' Role ==

{{EO|time=04:27, November 3, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=I believe we say the Neoshadows chase after Roxas's Keyblade as he '''flees the Org.''', as the Nobodies are no longer protecting him from them, meaning they spawn due to free will. ''Days'' proves the opposite. The Neoshadows are summoned when Roxas '''RETURNS TO TWTNW TO GET KH AND XION''' to reclaim the Keyblade wielding Nobody. Evidence is that Xemnas requests Saix retrieve Roxas after Xion's fall. It is then safe to assume Saix summons the Neo's to reclaim Roxas. Evidence on the contrary, however... Roxas can destroy the Neo's, and I'm not sure the Org. can control them yet (I think this starts in ''KHII'' w/ the whole Saix ordeal). Anyways, the Neoshadows have a shifted role, either way you slice it or dice it. I'm not sure if this should be mentioned here or not, like in a ''Days'' heading or something, as we know Days's ending is based off of this film clip.}}

If they were going to summon heartless it would have been neo shadows,(they were after hearts...)
{{EO|time=23:46, November 5, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=They didn't want Hearts, though, as the "normal" Org. members can't extract them. Only the Keyblade master can, which is Roxas, since Sora is still asleep, or Xion, but since Xion is dead, Roxas is theo only one left. Whether they can actually summon the Heartless is the question. While I see there are some stupid, obvious answers, really think about what I'm saying. The can't just extract hearts without a Keybearer. Since one's dormant, one's dead, they need to reclaim their traitor. Xemnas himself tells Saix to fetch him Roxas after Xion's death.}}
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=00:08, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
|text=I think we can safely say that this issue is only relevant to 358/2 Days, yes? After all, that's when the event in question occurs. So technically, the answer is that the Neoshadows are there simply because they were seen in this FMV, and it would be a ridiculously painful and stupid retcon to try and remove them in Days.

If this purely pedantic solution does not satisfy you, I offer the following contextual one: we know that Heartless are drawn to the Keybearer, in an attempt to claim his/her heart. The fact that the particular wielder in this case is a Nobody is immaterial; the Keyblade is the homing beacon that the Heartless instinctively target. There's also the issue of Roxas having something that appears very much to be a heart, but that's mostly a separate issue. Anyway, we also know that the World That Never Was is perilously close to the Darkness, and that Neoshadows spawn at Memory's Skyscraper (as any KHII player can confirm). So there's little reason to suppose that anything changed significantly to trigger the assault, with the possible exception of the fact that, yes, the Organization is no longer protecting Roxas. I doubt the Neoshadows were sent by Saïx, as surely he'd send Nobodies instead?

On a tangential note: I am not sure quite what Xemnas hoped to achieve by ordering Saïx to retrieve Roxas. After all, the Luna Diviner had already demonstrated that he is no match for the Key to Destiny. Perhaps Xemnas is punishing Saïx for allowing Roxas to leave by sending him for another ignominious beating? :P
|category=Speculation
}}

== From Sora ==

This is a secret movie in Kingdom Hearts. During a storm, a hooded [[Roxas]] walks through the [[The World That Never Was|Dark City]], located in the [[The World That Never Was]], towards the [[The World That Never Was|Memory's Skyscraper]]. [[Neoshadow]]s rise from the ground, many surrounding Roxas. The camera shifts, it moves towards a blindfolded [[Riku]], in [[Organization XIII]] [[Black Cloak]], and on top of Memory's Skyscraper. To defend himself, Roxas pulls out the [[Oblivion]] and [[Oathkeeper]] [[Keyblade]]s. Riku looks to the sky, where clouds part to reveal a meteor shower. A purple, glowing heart shape surrounds Roxas. Riku takes off his blindfold. Roxas asks a question: ''"Where's Sora?"''

The screen blacks out, and quotes fly by, ending with ''"We'll go together"''. A flash, then the words ''"Kingdom Hearts"'' appears. It fades to a [[Destiny Islands|beach]] where [[Kairi]] looks at a meteor fall.

== From Kairi ==


<!--[[File:Kairi Another-Side-Another-Story.jpg|right|thumb|Kairi in ''"[[Another side, Another story...]]"''.]]-->
This is a secret movie. The screen blacks out, and quotes fly by, ending with ''"We'll go together"''. A flash, then the words ''"Kingdom Hearts"'' appears. It fades to a [[Destiny Islands|beach]] where Kairi looks at a meteor fall.
Her appearance is somewhat different than her usual in this short movie. She is seen wearing a sleeveless white shirt, a red skirt and having long hair.

== Metamorphosis Trivia ==

Really? Cuz I don't see it. Just Sora, Kairi, and Roxas. [[Special:Contributions/24.205.43.42|24.205.43.42]] 04:56, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

This is the same thing from 358/2 days rite?[[User:Mangakame|Mangakame]] 01:19, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

== ENDLESS ==
{{LA|Vtext=I was watching these videos today, and I couldn't help but notice this one recurring line in both videos... "ENDLESS". I feel we overlooked it. What does it mean?}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=I always figured because "HEARTLESS" follows it immediately after.}}

== Riku or Roxas ==

to me the guy comeing out of the rock in deep dive looks like riku...roxas body looks differant. And also the figure has yellow eyes...like ansems, i think its riku after he turns into ansem

in kingdom hearts II and 358/2 days it shows roxas talking to xemnas on that shore --[[User:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#000000">Shadows</span>''']][[User talk:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#505050">Twilight</span>''']][[File:Χ-blade (Incomplete) KHBBS.png|50px]] 23:17, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought that it was Xemnas before Roxas arrived.  [[User:Bob4894|Bob4894]] 03:58, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Xemnas is sitting on the rocks before Roxas gets there. We know this by cutscenes showing the same scene. {{User:RoxasXIIILK/Sig}} 04:02, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I know that he's sitting on the rocks when Roxas arrives, but Xemnas has to get there some how, doesn't he?  I figured thats him, and then he sits on the rock and then Roxas shows up and they start talking.  [[User:Bob4894|Bob4894]] 00:50, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Xemnas is WAY taller than that. Besides, you can see part of the cloaked figure face, and is clearly Roxas. Xemnas isnt seen at all under his cloak, besides his nose--'''[[User:Dark-EnigmaXIII|<font color=black><big>Dark-En</big>]][[User talk:Dark-EnigmaXIII|<font color=gray><big>igmaXIII</big>]]</font></font> 00:58, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

It still looks like Xemnas too me.  And if you look 28 seconds into the video, right before either Xemnas or Roxas "walks out" of the boulder there doesn't appear to be anybody sitting on the rock where Xemnas is while he is talking to Roxas. [[Special:Contributions/98.216.203.152|98.216.203.152]] 04:32, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, we '''know''' that it is Xemnas who is sitting there and has been sitting there when Roxas appears. This '''is''' with 100% surity Roxas. There is no question about it. There are multiple videos that contain the same scene. There is no question in the matter. Xemnas is so much talker than the figure who comes out of the CoD from the bolder. This also proves said figure is Roxas. {{User:RoxasXIIILK/Sig}} 04:40, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjYCTSPn-E .It will help with your suspicions.--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] 00:24, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

It still doesn't seem like Roxas to me, especially since every time he is shown in either of the videos his hair is coming out from under the hood. The shot right before Mickey appears makes it seem like maybe it was originally intended to be another character since if it was either Roxas, Xemnas, or Riku, it would be showing one of them twice. I know in the scenes at the dark margin Roxas is show entering this way, but I don't think that was the intent when this was being made. [[User:Bob4894|Bob4894]] ([[User talk:Bob4894|talk]]) 06:14, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

It cannot possibly be Roxas and if it isn't Xemnas or Riku it has to be another character. There are too many inconsistencies. First off, the glowing yellow eye. Secondly, the hair is completely different. And third and probably most damning I think is the fact that his shoes are completely different from Roxas' shoes. They're boots more akin to what most of the Org. 13 wear, while Roxas' shoes (shown while running up the building) are more Sora-esque. Back when ASAS:DD was first shown with the release of KH:FM in Japan nobody and I mean nobody ever thought that the so-called Dual-Wielding Unknown, later to be named Roxas, was the same person as the guy who comes out of the rock because they share no similarities. Hell, you can even briefly see the outline of the heartless emblem on the guy's chest when he exits the rock! It has to be Xemnas. [[User:mischitary|mischitary]] ([[User talk:mischitary|talk]]) 20:10, December 14 (UTC)
::It has been confirmed as Roxas when the scene appeared within the games themselves. There is no reason this should be an argument at this time.[[Special:Contributions/72.12.205.35|72.12.205.35]] 23:12, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

== Roman Numerals ==

Anyone besides me noticed fact that roman numerals appearing in countdown represents members of Organization XIII that were alive at beginning of Kingdom Hearts II (Except of Xemnas whose number is not shown)? Could this info be added to trivia or is simply junk? - Veldirn 19:23 11th October 2012 (UTC)
:there's nothing else in the video to indcate it, after countless iterations and full breakdown of the scene nomura's done nothing to suggest that, and as you said it's not a perfect match.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
::I too think that is coincidental as I think old films and stuff had countdowns like that with specific numbers having roman numerals and 1 not being shown. --{{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== HD 1.5 ReMIX ==

{{TobiasHawk
|time=18:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
|text=Is Another side, Another story... (Deep dive) in HD 1.5 ReMIX's Final Mix?
}}
:Yes. You can't get both at the same time, though. Deep Dive replaces ASAS when you meet the conditions for it. [[User:Pink Agaricus|Pink Agaricus]] ([[User talk:Pink Agaricus|talk]]) 19:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

==Unclear: Unlock in KH1.5==
Can you or can you not unlock Deep Dive on Normal Difficulty in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix? [[Special:Contributions/86.27.8.65|86.27.8.65]] 14:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:You can. Normal is called Final Mix in this version, so you have to complete Jiminy's Journal (yellow Mickey symbols everywhere) to get the deep dive version of the secret ending. Keep in mind that contrary to KHIIFM only one secret movie will play not both of them. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 19:37, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, thank you, pardon my brainfart. [[Special:Contributions/86.27.8.65|86.27.8.65]] 01:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

== That's '''NOT''' Roxas! ''or, a Movie Misconception'' ==

Below is encased the reasoning for the changes I would like to make to the main article, with movie sources.

The lines:


''"A white Heartless emblem appears on a boulder for a split second, before Roxas passes through it. One of his eyes - golden yellow - is briefly shown, and he walks forward."'' 

''"Roxas arrives at the Dark Margin in Another Side, Another Story [deep dive]."''

Should both say '''Xemnas''', '''hooded figure''', or some euphemism along those lines instead of Roxas. Here is why:


–Between 0:26 and 0:28 into the video, before anyone shows up, ''there is nobody seated upon the rock in the Dark Margin.'' Wouldn't Xemnas already be there if it were Roxas?

-The figure who arrives is too tall to be Roxas, and has no hair. Height aside, Roxas' bangs are almost always over his face in both videos. Although--the Dark Margin is the one exception, but even then ''HIS eyes are NEVER shown.''

-Briefly at 0:30 and 0:37 it can be clearly seen that this first figure ''has standard Black Coat boots instead of Roxas' shoes.'' SEVERAL times in the video (1:01, 1:07, 1:14, ''especially'' 1:40), do we get opportunities to see that BHK/Proto-Roxas' shoes are NOT standard Black Coat boots.

-The figure's eye, glimpsed at 0:32, clearly has an Ansem/Xemnas/Xehanort-like shape to it.

-Only later, at 2:15 and 2:36, do we see a shorter figure who '''DOES''' have BHK-like height, unlike the first figure.


The only reason for one to believe that it is Roxas who arrives early in the video is that Roxas shows up with the same camera angle via a Corridor in KH2's intro, and Xemnas is not shown seated in the shot of the Margin prior.

However, the view of the Margin is not a 1:1 match to Another Side, ''so I cannot call this a reliable source.'' In ''Deep Dive'', we always have the same angle shot of the DM to go off.


This used to fool me, it's probably fooled a ton of other people, I refuse to believe it isn't a huge mistake on everyone's part. [[User:ProofOfNonexistence|ProofOfNonexistence]] ([[User talk:ProofOfNonexistence|talk]]) 13:26, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

: It seems like the identity of the figure at 0:30 has been a point of disagreement for some time (see {{h|Riku or Roxas}}). In the context of only "[deep dive]", I'm inclined to agree with you: the figure who emerges from the rocks is clearly different from the figure at the skyscraper who would later become Roxas. However, I think the later games want us to believe that it was actually Roxas, what with showing him teleport in from the rock in the KHII opening, so even though the FMV didn't plan on them being the same character, it was later decided that both would be Roxas. Regardless, since the situation is contradictory – and because, at the end of the day, this is a 7-second clip of a man walking in a conceptual video – I'm comfortable with leaving it as "a cloaked figure", though I would prefer a third opinion. —<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:110%>[[User:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">Aid</span>]][[User talk:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">1043</span>]]</span> 16:16, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
::I agree with using "cloaked figure". It's best to avoid all speculation. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)