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And King Mickey disappeared for all that time because he was searching for the Kingdom Key D. Try actually, um, I dunno, making sure you've done your research before even saying something that ridiculous with complete conviction? [[User:Tony Richards|Tony Richards]] 04:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
And King Mickey disappeared for all that time because he was searching for the Kingdom Key D. Try actually, um, I dunno, making sure you've done your research before even saying something that ridiculous with complete conviction? [[User:Tony Richards|Tony Richards]] 04:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
TNE, it is YOU who is wrong! XD
Seriously, two keyblades that serve a function unique to the X-blade would have to be made from it. They shouldn't have to spell it out for us by showing the damn thing breaking in half; when has Nomura EVER been that clear on ANYTHING?! Mickey did not have the Kingdom Key D in BBS, he found it in 1 and used it from then on; determining its location was his purpose for going there, as he knew the X-blade and the X-blade alone could close the door should it open. Finding Riku was just a happy accident. The link between the two keys could even explain how you can randomly summon Mickey in KH2 upon Sora's defeat; the X-blade is calling out to its other half! And what was your argument again, that this is impossible because of a palette swap?! Are you serious?
Moreover, the reason Sora got the Kingdom Key over Riku is simple. The X-blade is made from pure hearts of light and darkness. Theoretically, the KK an KKD would be made from the respective heart, meaning that the KK would have been made from Ventus' heart! Since Sora currently owns it, he would theoretically have a natural affinity for the blade.[[Special:Contributions/24.215.77.122|24.215.77.122]] 01:35, December 19, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin


== More Info ==
== More Info ==
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{{R&D|time=15:42, January 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=The X-blade would unlock KH and that would make the worlds be taken by Darkness or it would unlock the DTD causing KH to be devoured by Darkness and then causing the other worlds to be devoured by Darkness?}}
{{R&D|time=15:42, January 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=The X-blade would unlock KH and that would make the worlds be taken by Darkness or it would unlock the DTD causing KH to be devoured by Darkness and then causing the other worlds to be devoured by Darkness?}}


...uh...I heard somewhere...mabey on the wiki...I dont know for sure though...so...if anything just count this as speculation, I heard it unlocks "the door to heaven" AKA door to light or kingdom hearts which would make sense on why people are fighting over it. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:16, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
...uh...I heard somewhere...mabey on the wiki...I dont know for sure though...so...if anything just count this as speculation, I heard it unlocks "the door to heaven" AKA door to light or kingdom hearts which would make sense on why people are fighting over it. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:16, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


Door to heaven? I don't think so...[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 02:19, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Door to heaven? I don't think so...[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 02:19, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
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The KH was on the sky not on the realm of darkness so i'm nor sure that it would open the DTD--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:25, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
The KH was on the sky not on the realm of darkness so i'm nor sure that it would open the DTD--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:25, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


yeah the door to heaven didnt sound right to me either. Ill find out where I found it, sorry. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
yeah the door to heaven didnt sound right to me either. Ill find out where I found it, sorry. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


bottom of the page in triva I read it wrong though my mistake. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/%CE%A7-Blade [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:35, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
bottom of the page in triva I read it wrong though my mistake. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/%CE%A7-Blade [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:35, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


it was not talking abou the X-blade, it is talking about the two crossed keys meaning--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:38, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
it was not talking abou the X-blade, it is talking about the two crossed keys meaning--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:38, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
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"My own heart is darkness" is a metaphor, Eraqus realizing the wrong of his decision to "lift his Keyblade" against Terra and Ven; he's saying his heart might as well be of darkness. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 15:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
"My own heart is darkness" is a metaphor, Eraqus realizing the wrong of his decision to "lift his Keyblade" against Terra and Ven; he's saying his heart might as well be of darkness. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 15:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, this argument is about how Aqua could be used to make the X-blade if she doesn't have a pure heart of light, and that she can't have a heart of pure light if she isn't a princess of heart. But can we be sure she isn't a princess. BBS is ten years before KH from what I heard so one or more princesses may not be the same between the two games. I'm not saying Aqua is a princess of heart, I'm just pointing out that since only four princesses are known to appear in BBS, we can't be sure the other three are the same ones from KH. Alice, for one, looks young enough to have been born during the ten year interim. [[User:Tzion|Tzion]] 05:30, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm, can someone bring up the quotes, Xehanort Reports, etc. that state what is needed to forge the X-Blade? It may just be me, but depending on the wording, maybe it isn't 1 heart that is pure-darkness and 1 heart that is pure-light, but instead 2 PURE hearts (which would likely be used to mean very strong hearts) one more balanced toward Light, and another that leans more to Darkness. [[User:Twilightning|Twilightning]] 08:28, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
As is stated at the very beginning of this section, [[Xehanort Report]] # VII.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}08:54, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


==Justification==
==Justification==
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{{17m|text= if the two hearts need to be equally powerful, then it makes sense for MX to use Vanitas as Ven, as Vanitas is born from Ventus's Heart so they're pretty much equal. As for one of the Princesses of Hearts, their light might just be too powerful for Vanitas.}}
{{17m|text= if the two hearts need to be equally powerful, then it makes sense for MX to use Vanitas as Ven, as Vanitas is born from Ventus's Heart so they're pretty much equal. As for one of the Princesses of Hearts, their light might just be too powerful for Vanitas.}}
{{WarMonger89|text=your right about that, mate. HOWEVER, it said in the Xehanort Reports that originally Master Xehanort was planing to use Aqua (as Light) and Ventus (as Darkness) to forge the X-Blade. so, i think the whole creating-Vanitas and nearly killing Ven thing was all just a back up plan!!}}
{{WarMonger89|text=your right about that, mate. HOWEVER, it said in the Xehanort Reports that originally Master Xehanort was planing to use Aqua (as Light) and Ventus (as Darkness) to forge the X-Blade. so, i think the whole creating-Vanitas and nearly killing Ven thing was all just a back up plan!!}}
{{TalkSephiroth0812|text= Yup, WarMonger89, you're right on this one. MX originally planned to raise Ven as a warrior of darkness, but he realized that Ven is just too benign and kind-hearted to become a dark keybearer...therefore Xehanort resorted to force Ven to use his inner darkness by pitting him against that pack of Neoshadows in the flashback we witness in BBS. But bad luck for our x-blade-obsessed old man, even then Ven refused to use his darkness and would rather die...now that really pissed MX off. His patience spent and angry about his apprentice failing to live up to his plans he cracked Ven's heart and created Vanitas.}}
== Design ==
{{Xemnas8|text=Since the X-blade was made by a pure light heart and a pure dark heart, shouldn’t one "Kingdom Key" be normal and the other one a Kingdom Key D to represent the light and darkness? I guess it’s too late for them to change it now but you think Nomura would’ve thought of that?}}
== Moving ==
{{Sac|time=16:14, February 8, 2011 (UTC)|hades=Shouldn't we move this page to X-Blade, but then the Chi on the place of the X?}}
{{KrytenKoro|That's what's already been done.}}
{{Sac|time=17:14, February 8, 2011 (UTC)|hades=No, I mean like this: χ-blade.}}
{{KrytenKoro|That's what's already been done.}}
{{maggosh|nathan=Sac, you DO know all articles are forced capitalized, right?}}
{{Sac|time=15:24, February 9, 2011 (UTC)|hades=Yes, I know that, but I thought as this is a special letter it could be placed there.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=That's what's already been done.}}
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=19:38, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
|text=Okay, let's clarify: a capital chi, Χ, looks exactly like a capital X. I presume that's the root of this confusion.
However, it is possible to remedy it. Although the actual article title does have to be capitalised, if we put <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:&chi;-Blade}}</nowiki> on the article, the page title should show up with a lowercase chi. At least, I think so... the variable only works to change whether the first letter is displayed as lowercase – you can't use it to show a totally different title to the actual one – so I don't know if it will necessarily work for a special character >_>
|category=Article title
}}
== A Keyblade?.. ==
Is the x-blade actually a Keyblade? There is this little quote (from Xehanort's Report VII):
<blockquote>''"I have uncovered the Keyblade's ultimate mystery. You see, besides the three families of Keyblades, there is another "Key Blade." While it may sound the same when spoken, it is notated uniquely: "χ-blade." And make no mistake, while it resembles a normal Keyblade, it is '''something altogether different'''. <br>Keyblades are said to be '''man-made counterparts''' to Kingdom Hearts. The χ-blade, '''however, coexists with Kingdom Hearts'''."''</blockquote>
Besides, in his previous report, Xehanort states that there is only three kinds of Keyblades: light, darkness, and heart. The x-blade is obviously not one of the former two (it is made of equal parts darkness and light), and is unlikely to be the latter. There are two quotes to prove it:
#''"Only by gathering seven hearts of pure light--hearts completely devoid of darkness--may one forge a Keyblade of heart"'', which is different from how x-blade is made;
#''"The third type of key, the Keyblade of heart, came into existence when the World was reorganized after the Keyblade War."''. Looks like x-blade existed before that: Xehanort speculates about x-blade as ''"Surely it was over this that the ancient Keyblade War was fought."'', and we know that the war was the ''cause'' of world's separation.
''<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Flia|Flia]] ([[User talk:Flia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Flia|contribs]])</small>''
You're right of course, it's a χ-blade not a Keyblade. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 11:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, it is just the first sentence that is misleading: ''"The χ-blade (χブレード Kīburēdo?) is a legendary Keyblade introduced in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep."'' Guess I'll just fix it. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 12:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
== Observation ==
Is it even possible to use this thing? Sure, Vanitas successfully wielded it for all of about 10 minutes. But consider this: The X-Blade ultimately broke at least in part because he and Ventus were not properly fused. The two hearts have to "clash" in order to make it. So it stands to reason that they will not like each other. This suggests that any time the X-Blade is forged, it will be incomplete.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 05:32, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:All you really need to do is make it, which will bring Kingdom Hearts to you. While the X-blade is intact, you take over Kingdom Hearts. So while Master Xehanort was operating under a short time-window, which he was probably aware of, if he hadn't wasted time getting a new vessel instead of becoming a god then he probably could have won.
:There's also that it's not just that the hearts clash, it's that the heart that ''desperately wanted to be unjoined'' won the clash. If Vanitas had won, it's highly likely that the X-blade would have become complete, and the two villains would have all the time in the world to tie up loose ends before becoming omnidei.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 14:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
==Chi==
Was there any particular reason [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=%CE%A7-blade&diff=682040&oldid=676788 my edit] was undone? I think it is pretty significant that Xehanort's claim of χ meaning "death" and spelling endings is entirely Kingdom Hearts lore. I researched this and found no evidence of it being factual outside of Kingdom Hearts. [[Special:Contributions/81.108.170.242|81.108.170.242]] 20:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Because this is a Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and the Design section is generally not used for citing out-of-universe information unless it is discussing the Etymology of its respective article. Even if there is no factual basis, it's not something we need to mention, since we're referring to "chi" within the context of the KH-verse. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 20:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
::More specifically, the article already states the in-universe meaning. That the meaning is ''only'' in-universe should be assumed by the reader by the fact that we don't mention the theme being taken from some specific numerological belief in the Etymology section. Therefore, it's redundant to say that there isn't something that the article never claims there was.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
==Pronunation==
Is it okay to put "(pronounced key-blade)" into the first paragraph? When I first saw the name I thought it was called the X-Blade (Ex-Blade).[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 07:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, since it was incomplete, would that mean even though the one in the real world looked completed, it was not truly complete (Whatever that means)?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 07:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's kind of already in the lead quote, but we could add an IPA. The one in the real world was not complete, which means it had not fully summoned Kingdom Hearts.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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==Seven Princesses==
"the χ-blade was splintered into seven fragments of pure light, which eventually become the seven princesses' hearts'<br/>
This is untrue.<br/>
In the DDD secret ending, Yen Sid says: "But the light still shining in the hearts of children rebuilt the world that we know today. And the light from the broken χ-blade was then divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world."<br/>
Mickey: "Seven pure lights. They're...the princesses of heart."<br/>
Yen Sid: "Indeed. Those seven pure hearts form the very source of all light in the world. If they are lost, the world will again give way to shadow."<br/>
It says that "the light from the broken χ-blade was then divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world." This means that the Seven Princesses have existed even before the χ-blade shattered, or at least their hearts have. The seven pieces of light from the χ-blade broke off to protect the the Princesses' hearts. (Whatever that means). It's also saying that if the Princesses are destroyed, then the world will fall to darkness, just like how the world fell to darkness in the age of fairy tales when the original Kingdom Hearts fell to darkness? Honestly, how does any of this make sense? How have the Seven Princesses been alive since the age of fairy tales? Isn't that presumably like thousands of years ago? That can't be possible since Kairi was 4 years old in BBS. Also, why would the world fall to darkness again if they're destroyed? Yen Sid is acting as if the Seven Princesses are the original Kingdom Hearts. doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:We also talked about it [[Talk:Princesses_of_Heart#Cite_for_X-blade|here]] Elfdemon, I think the current consensus is to change these paragraphs. Beside that nothing about the princesses really makes sense, I think only some insight from Nomura himself can clear this matter up. Still, at least to Master Xehanort's sixth report the third type of Keyblade, the Keyblade of heart which requires seven ''pure'' hearts of light, came to be after the Keyblade War. So I think that there is at least a possibility that the princesses didn't exist before the war. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 13:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::Kairi was definitely born after the Keyblade War, so there may be different sets of princesses as well.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Yeah. I really hope the Journal in KH3 has some sort of Glossary like in DDD, but extremely in-depth. It would help clear up confusion for old players and new players. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 20:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Maybe it's just 'cause I'm smarter than everyone else, but I just can't wrap my head around how people can misunderstand this stuff.
::::"the χ-blade was splintered into seven fragments of '''pure light''', which eventually become the '''seven princesses' hearts''''"<br/>
::::"But the light still shining in the hearts of children rebuilt the world that we know today. And '''the light''' from the broken χ-blade was then divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world."<br/>
::::Not the '''pure''' light.
::::"Indeed. Those seven pure hearts form the very source of all light in the world. If they are lost, the world will again give way to shadow."<br/>
::::The Princesses' hearts are the key, the gateway, to Kingdom Hearts(which is trapped in the Realm of Darkness). If Kingdom Hearts' conduits disappear, the whole fuse blows. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::"Yen Sid: And the light from the broken Chi-blade was then divided into seven, to protect the number of pure hearts in the world. / Mickey: Seven pure lights. They're...the princesses of heart." Which Yen Sid follows up by saying the princesses can be used as ingredients for a new X-blade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the χ-blade is made with 7 lights and 13 darknesses, we know this. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Right. Mickey and Yen Sid indicate it broke into seven "pure lights" and thirteen darknesses.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 11:07, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I guess we'll have to wait until KH3 to finish this discussion, because the explanation we have is too vague. At least that's how it seems. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:37, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
== "When the χ-blade hits a target, the released symbols are gold and dark blue stars, symbolic of light and darkness." appears to be inaccurate. ==
Is there a source for this? Because in both Birth By Sleep and Kingdom Hearts 3 the released symbols are red stars with black symbols aligning along the points within and joining in the center. This is easily verified by [https://youtu.be/p_Quqy7wZis this video.] [[User:Gilded97|Gilded97]] ([[User talk:Gilded97|talk]]) 05:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah, dark blue stars is definitely wrong, the background star varies from orange to bright red over time in BBS (the effect is not fixed) while it's simply red in KH3, the spiked foreground star is black. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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