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And King Mickey disappeared for all that time because he was searching for the Kingdom Key D. Try actually, um, I dunno, making sure you've done your research before even saying something that ridiculous with complete conviction? [[User:Tony Richards|Tony Richards]] 04:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
And King Mickey disappeared for all that time because he was searching for the Kingdom Key D. Try actually, um, I dunno, making sure you've done your research before even saying something that ridiculous with complete conviction? [[User:Tony Richards|Tony Richards]] 04:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
TNE, it is YOU who is wrong! XD
Seriously, two keyblades that serve a function unique to the X-blade would have to be made from it. They shouldn't have to spell it out for us by showing the damn thing breaking in half; when has Nomura EVER been that clear on ANYTHING?! Mickey did not have the Kingdom Key D in BBS, he found it in 1 and used it from then on; determining its location was his purpose for going there, as he knew the X-blade and the X-blade alone could close the door should it open. Finding Riku was just a happy accident. The link between the two keys could even explain how you can randomly summon Mickey in KH2 upon Sora's defeat; the X-blade is calling out to its other half! And what was your argument again, that this is impossible because of a palette swap?! Are you serious?
Moreover, the reason Sora got the Kingdom Key over Riku is simple. The X-blade is made from pure hearts of light and darkness. Theoretically, the KK an KKD would be made from the respective heart, meaning that the KK would have been made from Ventus' heart! Since Sora currently owns it, he would theoretically have a natural affinity for the blade.[[Special:Contributions/24.215.77.122|24.215.77.122]] 01:35, December 19, 2010 (UTC)Xabrin


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{{R&D|time=15:42, January 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=The X-blade would unlock KH and that would make the worlds be taken by Darkness or it would unlock the DTD causing KH to be devoured by Darkness and then causing the other worlds to be devoured by Darkness?}}
{{R&D|time=15:42, January 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=The X-blade would unlock KH and that would make the worlds be taken by Darkness or it would unlock the DTD causing KH to be devoured by Darkness and then causing the other worlds to be devoured by Darkness?}}


...uh...I heard somewhere...mabey on the wiki...I dont know for sure though...so...if anything just count this as speculation, I heard it unlocks "the door to heaven" AKA door to light or kingdom hearts which would make sense on why people are fighting over it. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:16, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
...uh...I heard somewhere...mabey on the wiki...I dont know for sure though...so...if anything just count this as speculation, I heard it unlocks "the door to heaven" AKA door to light or kingdom hearts which would make sense on why people are fighting over it. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:16, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


Door to heaven? I don't think so...[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 02:19, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Door to heaven? I don't think so...[[User:Redeemer & Destroyer|Redeemer & Destroyer]] 02:19, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
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The KH was on the sky not on the realm of darkness so i'm nor sure that it would open the DTD--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:25, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
The KH was on the sky not on the realm of darkness so i'm nor sure that it would open the DTD--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:25, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


yeah the door to heaven didnt sound right to me either. Ill find out where I found it, sorry. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
yeah the door to heaven didnt sound right to me either. Ill find out where I found it, sorry. [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


bottom of the page in triva I read it wrong though my mistake. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/%CE%A7-Blade [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:35, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
bottom of the page in triva I read it wrong though my mistake. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/%CE%A7-Blade [[Special:Contributions/75.162.72.60|75.162.72.60]] 02:35, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


it was not talking abou the X-blade, it is talking about the two crossed keys meaning--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:38, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
it was not talking abou the X-blade, it is talking about the two crossed keys meaning--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 02:38, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
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{{Xabryn|text=The fusion isn't complete it just look complete outside, you can notice this because when Aqua defeat Vanitas the X-blade takes its real form before being destroyed}}
{{Xabryn|text=The fusion isn't complete it just look complete outside, you can notice this because when Aqua defeat Vanitas the X-blade takes its real form before being destroyed}}
also to quote xehanort; at the time of it's forging all the worlds will be automatically joined, a perfect kingdom hearts will be made, which did'nt happen. also let me explain the fake kingdom hearts that's seen; according to xehanort in his reports, there is'nt a kingdom hearts so the worlds hearts need to be brought together to make kingdom hearts which can then have it's door opened and the worlds will be rejoined. the fake kingdom hearts could be seen glowing through the clouds of the keyblade graveyard, which it took xehanort a second to part before the x-blade had been forged, throughout the entire game which would make nooo sense if that were the real kingdom hearts. ([[Special:Contributions/188.141.109.209|188.141.109.209]] 11:30, October 5, 2010 (UTC))
The Keyblade Graveyard is a mysterious place that could be the real KH or a kind of portal to it that could only be opened by the X-Blade also if you look at Kairi's Grandma story
<br>''Long ago, people lived in peace, bathed in the warmth of light.
Everyone loved the light.
Then people began to fight over it.
They wanted the light for themselves.
And darkness was born in their hearts.
The darkness spread, swallowing the light and many people's hearts.
It covered everything, and the world disappeared.''
I believe that it is talking about the Keyblade War that happened in the Keyblade Graveyard and if what MX talked is true they were fighting for KH if so maybe KH was in the KG originaly but after the X-Blade was destroyed it went to the realm of Darkness--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 20:16, October 5, 2010 (UTC)


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Where was Aqua's heart ever stated to be "pure" light. I have yet to see an exact quote regarding that.[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 01:06, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Where was Aqua's heart ever stated to be "pure" light. I have yet to see an exact quote regarding that.[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 01:06, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


In fact, given how in her story, both Hades ''and'' Maleficent tried to tempt her with darkness, I'd think that would indicate she wasn't. (Although both their temptations failed, both of them can apparently sense darkness, and would have known better than to try it in the first place if they couldn't sense any they could use.)[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 01:11, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
In fact, given how in her story, both Hades ''and'' Maleficent tried to tempt her with drakness, I'd think that would indicate she wasn't. (Although both their temptations failed, both of them can apparently sense darkness, and would have known better than to try it in the first place if they couldn't sense any they could use.)[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 01:11, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
:....dude. Both Nomura and the reports say it requires a heart of pure light, and that Aqua was to be used if Ventus could not be. That means she has a heart of pure light. You provided one of the quotes yourself. All this "oh they tried to tempt her" is entirely your own speculation, and does not turn over the stated canon at all.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 01:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
Now, this is also just speculation, but the fact of using Aqua as Plan B doesn't necessarily make her heart pure of light. If Xehanort could split Ventus, wouldn't it make him able to split Aqua as well and just discard the extra?  Unless you feel that it'd be too much work getting rid of "Aquitas". [[Special:Contributions/67.252.191.193|67.252.191.193]] 16:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
:He was going to combine Aqua with Vanitas.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 17:59, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
And which quote was that?[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 03:04, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
I was pretty sure that the whole "There is darkness in every heart" thing had been established since the first game, with  the Princessess as the only exception (Even SORA became a heartless after all,) that and in this interview http://www.khinsider.com/khinsider/birth-by-sleep-plot-mysteries-interview.html nothing is noted of Aqua's "Purity".[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 23:09, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
:....so Ventus doesn't have a pure heart, then? Despite what Nomura and the game itself says over and over?
:Seriously, guys, you're using snippets from hearsay in much earlier games to claim a plot contradiction within a single game. look at it responsibly: the game says Ventus has a heart of pure light; it says that a heart of pure light is necessary to forge the X-blade; both Xehanort and Vanitas say Aqua would have been an acceptable substitute for Ventus. Ergo, she has the necessary heart of pure light.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 23:17, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
That's what you call logic? X=X, because X=X, because X=X? The game contradicts itself in several other ways as well, for example; ''"Years before, Master Xehanort had tried to draw the darkness out of Ven, intending to pit the boy against one of Master Eraqus's students of light and create the X-Blade"'', (and I '''could''' ask how that would have made poor Ven a heart of pure darkness, but for now I'll let that slide,) ''"but the boy was too benign for his own good."'', ''"I would remove the darkness in his heart and split him in two."''(In one statement, making Vanitas was a lucky break, in another it was the plan the whole time.) Secondly, while in Ven's story, his pureness was a common theme, with the good fairies even commenting on how he was like Aurora but in Aqua's story to quote Hades, "But you, my little bluebird, why not demonstrate some real courage by coming over to the winning team." or Maleficent, "Yes, Now, my dear, would you like to assist me as well?"[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 23:42, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
Now that I think about it, considering how obsessed Maleficent and Xehanort were with "Pure Hearts filled with Light" It seems strange that the only reference to Aqua's "Purity" is ''Vanitas'', and that as only a passing reference to using her as a "plan b".(And I notice you didn't comment with any quotes to my interview. And I kinda wish you'd be less of a patronising jerk.)
And as for Ventus, he has just as much darkness in his heart as anyone else, it just got taken out. (And in response to your "hearsay" argument, 1: Yen-freaking-Sid said that in the second game, and 2: I think it's been established that Xehanort is freaking insane.)[[Special:Contributions/76.4.4.167|76.4.4.167]] 00:33, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
::In no way has he been established as insane. Everything he has claimed, without being a baldfaced lie, has proven true. In fact, Mickey has actually come round to Xehanort's beliefs that light and dark should be in balance. He is an evil bastard, but he is absolutely not an idiot.
:He was going to convince Ventus to become a being of darkness, like Maleficent and himself did, or like he did to Terra, enough to possess his body.
:He planned to turn Ventus into what Vanitas was at first. That didn't work. He decided to just remove Vanitas. That worked. The lucky break was that Ventus survived when he thought he would die, allowing him to use the sure thing (Ventus), instead of hoping that Eraqus's students remained pure (Aqua or Terra). Terra did not remain pure. Aqua did. Nomura has explicitly said in the BBS Ultimania that Xehanort would have used Aqua. IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE PLOT MYSTERIES, because it's not a loose thread, it's something that Nomura explicitly explained.
:Maleficent tries to convince Ventus of Terra's darkness too, and urges BOTH of them to follow in his footsteps. Ventus runs away, Aqua stays behind, and Maleficent tries again.
:What the hell are you talking about? The site you linked says it very clearly:
<blockquote>When Vanitas calls Aqua a "spare", is he talking about raw materials for making a χ-blade?
 
Nomura: Yes. She was a "spare" prepared in case Ventus did not survive the fusion process with Vanitas. Aqua was recognized by Eraqus as a legitimate Keyblade Master who viewed light as absolute, and holds a strong heart of light. So if Ventus were to fail she could have been used as material for the χ-blade. </blockquote>
 
:I told you where the quote could be found. I'm not your mother, I don't have to hold your hand just because you're trying to make up plot holes.
 
Your argument, as I understand it, is that Xehanort's Report is wrong (A) because he was going to use Aqua if Ventus couldn't be used (B), and you say Aqua can't have the necessary pure heart (C) because only the seven princesses do (D). Ventus has a pure heart, so (D) is false. Therefore, there is no evidence that (C) is false, therefore there is no evidence that (B) is false, therefore there is no evidence that (A) is false. No matter what Yen Sid said (which, again, is a logical fallacy, because there's no way for him to be 100% certain, and a big part of his character is that, while wise, he is ''never'' certain about things), we have 100% proof-positive that there are others with hearts of pure light. Nomura may have been lying earlier about previous games, big whoop.
 
And as a followup - trying to impugn me by claiming I'm being patronizing does nothing to help your argument, and just makes this whole debacle topic of yours more of a waste of time.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 02:27, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
You keep arguin that someone could have a pure heart outside of the princesses because of Ventus, but you keep forgetting that Ventus's case was completely '''''unnatural'''''! Xehanort '''''forced''''' ventus to have a pure heart, and it would have been his end if it hadn't been for his heart's mergence with Sora's. so no, Aqua can't have a pure heart of light because no one can have a natural pure heart outside of the princesses, and as far as we know, no one ever stripped the darkness out of Aqua and her heart connect with the others. Aqua has darkness in her heart, just like any other, end of story. --ShadowsTwilight 02:41, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
:Nothing about this series is natural (and no, it's quite obvious I never forgot, I keep mentioning it). Again, you're claim that no one can have a pure heart of light outside of the princesses is based on hearsay from previous games, and blatantly disproven by Ventus's existence. Nomura specifically says that Aqua would have been acceptable material for the X-blade because of how Eraqus raised her. That's the end of the story - you can continue to argue with Nomura about his own series if you want, but you're just wasting time.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 04:14, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that you answered this earlier, but where did Nomura ever say that aqua was meant to be used as another means to make the x-blade --ShadowsTwilight 04:35, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
{{neumannz|time=04:41, October 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yeah, he did. Couple times.<br><br>Go [http://www.khinsider.com/khinsider/birth-by-sleep-plot-mysteries-interview.html here], and look for the question: "When Vanitas calls Aqua a "spare", is he talking about raw materials for making a χ-blade?"}}
 
{{ST|text=and Nomura here says that Aqua has a '''strong''' heart of darkness, not a pure one}}
 
You mean light, but otherwise I agree, but besides what do you mean Kryten by "everything in this series is unnatural"? I mean, The princessess have pure hearts and are thought to be cornerstones of the universe, their specialness is brought up time and again, to open the DTD, to create the keyblade of heart, etc. Ventus simply does not hold as an example because, unlike Alice, Aurora, Belle, Cinderella, Kairi, Jasmine and Snow White, he does not naturally have a heart without any darkness in it, but had to have an evil jerk messing with it first. In fact, considering how messed up Ven is, passing out, loosing memories, having to have his heart saved by some random beach kid, It seems clear that Ventus NEEDED the darkness he lost, and almost couldn't live without it. It was a complete fluke he survived, and only because someone elses heart had pity on him and helped him out.[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 13:05, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
:Heartless are not natural. Unversed, Keyblades, Nobodies are not natural. Kingdom Hearts is not natural. Ventus - his heart is restored by Sora's light and heart, and in the end, he is comatose with his heart gone, just like the Princesses were. The ''Princesses'' are not natural, otherwise they wouldn't have mystical significance, and they've had their hearts taken out and put back in too.
:You guys are relying on Yen Sid saying "Every heart has darkness in it." Does he say "If no one fiddles with it?" No, he says "every heart". Birth by Sleep shows us that this is an over-generalization. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. None of the distinctions you guys are dreaming up about Aqua being supposedly tempted any more than Ventus, or only having a "95% heart", or Ventus not counting, etc., are at all relevant, or even present in the sources. You can make one Kingdom Hearts blade by combining a pure heart of light and a pure heart of darkness; you can make another by combining seven pure hearts of light. The series mythology doesn't make any distinction of whether the heart purity was "natural" - if it did, either Xehanort would have never considered anything BUT splitting Ventus's heart in two, or he would have never considered it at all.
:Besides, basic theology will tell you that achieving purity of heart is never natural. It is discipline that does it, and that is borne out in the series, and even the over-generalization. You ''strive'' for total virtue - actually attaining it is always a miraculous thing.
:"How messed up Ven is" - right, because when Kairi was in that flood of darkness, she was totally fine after that, right? None of that passing out or losing memories stuff happened to Kairi. And no one's heart (CERTAINLY not Sora's) helped her out when all that went down, right?...sorry for the sarcasm, but what happens to Ven is literally the exact things Kairi went through. There is nothing unique about it.
:...and Nomura and the game ALSO say that a pure heart is required for the X-blade. Again, you are trying to create distinctions where you don't understand the original Japanese, and there are no distinctions within the plot.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 14:07, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
{{ST|text=you seem to be trying to argue the point that either it is possible for anyone to have a pure heart or that darkness exists in every heart period. if either one of these were true, then let me ask you this: what makes the princesses so special}}
{{KrytenKoro|...that they have hearts of pure light. You should remember that they once thought Wendy would be one, and she turned out not to be?
 
But yeah, I've been saying the entire time that there are more pure hearts than just the Princesses'. After all, these girls are new, and there had to have been enough princesses before them for Xehanort to know about the legend.}}
 
I'm gonna pick at the "Kingdom Hearts is not natural" and "Kairi the same as Ven" bit.
For the second one , let's look at what happened to Kairi shall we? In the first game, what happened was that Kairi lost her heart. Because she had no darkness in her heart, she couldn't create a heartless, so her heart needed another vessel; a shmuck named Sora. This is different from Ven, who's heart was split in half, and could not survive on it's own. Sora actively decided to help Ven and made the choice, but the same cannot be said with what happened to Kairi.And you compare the Keyblade of Heart with the X-Blade, well, answer this. If all you need is seven pure hearts then why did Xehanort bother with Maleficent and the princessess? Why not just find 7 idiots by the side of the road (The Dwarfs?) and seperate the light from THEIR hearts instead? And Kingdom Hearts is not only natural, but probably the only thing that still is, now that the worlds are seperate.Kingdom hearts is supposedly something that existed since before the keyblade war, and darkness was born in people's hearts.And maybe, since you have obviously read and understand every word in every interview ever, oh great Kryten Koro could you please show to me where Nomura talks about the X-Blade?[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 18:21, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
:Um, yes it could. Kairi's heart hid within Sora's because it would be safe there - her heart would absolutely not survive on its own. Nomura has said this before, when explaining how Namine and Roxas came about. And Sora had literally just been born, don't be blowing smoke about him making a thought-out, intentional decision with Ventus.
:Kingdom Hearts is absolutely not natural. It is made from stolen hearts, or from the forced fusion of the world's hearts. Nothing in the series ever suggests that it is anything ''but'' supernatural.
:By the way, I did not say that you could make the Keyblades of People's Hearts from ANY seven hearts, I just said there was no distinction in that their light be "natural". Regardless, a simple rebuttal to why he didn't use the dwarfs, or anyone similar, is that most people would die with that much of their heart removed. Ventus was apparently a swell guy, and originally his light was still too weak to survive on its own. The princesses have strong hearts of pure light, and are also freaking princesses, making them much easier to find. Plus, they apparently have some sort of Buffy-type thing going down to make sure there is an appropriate number of them, so you've got that guarantee as well. And, you'll notice that with Ventus and Vanitas, Xehanort still had to wait several years afterward in order to actually use the two hearts. Basically - because it is a lot easier and quicker to just find the princesses.
:For crap's sake, we've posted the quote twice.
:At this point, I'm just going to stop posting here, like I should have done earlier. I've posted material from the actual game and from Nomura himself. You two are apparently relying solely on your own misreadings and made-up plot-holes to support your argument, and you don't seem like you'll actually bring anything worth discussing to the table anytime soon. If you want to continue fighting against established canon, take it to a forum, not here.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 21:48, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
Actually, this plotpoint is also getting me somewhat confused. I completely agree that Ventus isn't counted as a 'Prince of Heart' cuz his heart of absolutely pure light was created unnaturally through MXs cruel actions. (Heck, he wouldn't even have survived if newborn Sora's heart hadn't played the role of supporting pillar). So no matter how good and full of light Ven may be there was at least a little darkness or the birth of Vanitas would not have been possible.
But now on to Aqua, let's summarize the facts:
1. MX said to forge the x-blade you need a pure light and a pure dark heart of equal power.
2. Vanitas has the pure dark heart => 1. Ingredient checked
3. Ventus has the pure light heart => 2. Ingredient checked
4. Nomura himself states in an interview that Aqua could be used as an 'substitute' if Ven proved to be useless for MX and Vanitas' plans.
 
So that implies Aqua should have a pure heart of light too?
But wouldn't that mean that we have '''8''' Princesses of Heart instead of seven?
When Mickey and Aqua met Kairi and take note on her exceptionally pure light heart...why doesn't they recognize the same with Aquas own heart?
Or is it maybe that only existences that are BORN with a pure light heart are considered a princess/prince of heart and that a heart of pure light and/or darkness can also be archived otherwise?
Maybe there's another way than forcefully split someone's heart and Aqua was not born with a pure light heart but it became one because of her training over the years under Master Eraqus?
Something in the area of this would probably explain Aqua having a pure light heart without making her the Eight Princess.
But that's only a theory to be honest...I'm still quite confused about this issue... [[Special:Contributions/93.223.155.51|93.223.155.51]] 21:53, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{WS|time=22:19, October 12, 2010 (UTC)|text=Here's what I think:
1: Ven isn't a "Prince of Heart" because his heart is pure light due to MX's actions.
2: Ven wouldn't have survived if Sora didn't save his heart.
3: There are only Seven Princesses of Heart. I have no idea what he means about Aqua though.}}
 
:''I believe darkness sleeps in every heart, no matter how pure. Given the chance, the smallest drop can spread and swallow the heart. I have witnessed it many times.''[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 15:10, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
Actually the thing that bugs me is, quote, ''"Students do take after their teachers."'',
Eraqus himself says, "My own heart is darkness," how can Aqua have a purer heart than her teacher, especially if the reason she's so pure in the first place is she's following his example?[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 15:13, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
"My own heart is darkness" is a metaphor, Eraqus realizing the wrong of his decision to "lift his Keyblade" against Terra and Ven; he's saying his heart might as well be of darkness. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 15:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
As far as I can tell, this argument is about how Aqua could be used to make the X-blade if she doesn't have a pure heart of light, and that she can't have a heart of pure light if she isn't a princess of heart. But can we be sure she isn't a princess. BBS is ten years before KH from what I heard so one or more princesses may not be the same between the two games. I'm not saying Aqua is a princess of heart, I'm just pointing out that since only four princesses are known to appear in BBS, we can't be sure the other three are the same ones from KH. Alice, for one, looks young enough to have been born during the ten year interim. [[User:Tzion|Tzion]] 05:30, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
Hmmm, can someone bring up the quotes, Xehanort Reports, etc. that state what is needed to forge the X-Blade? It may just be me, but depending on the wording, maybe it isn't 1 heart that is pure-darkness and 1 heart that is pure-light, but instead 2 PURE hearts (which would likely be used to mean very strong hearts) one more balanced toward Light, and another that leans more to Darkness. [[User:Twilightning|Twilightning]] 08:28, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
As is stated at the very beginning of this section, [[Xehanort Report]] # VII.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}08:54, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Justification==
 
Somewhere this page needs a quote to justify the sentence about Xemnas using anagrams with a "X". There is a justification on the Org XIII page, but it is blocked to non-admins. Can an admin go and bring it here please ? <big><sup><font color=indigo>—</font>[[User:Xelias0|<font color=midnightblue>Nihil Perdere Posset </font>]][[User_talk:Xelias0|<font color=indigo>Qui Nihil Est</font>]]</sup></big> 04:52, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
You mean source it? [http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/147019-20-kh-mysteries-solved-sort.html This interview] ought to suffice. It answers a ton of other questions too.{{USer:LapisScarab/Sig}}05:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
Thanks, but I think I managed to move it. I'm not an expert in reflists, so I was looking under the "Note and Reference" category and thought its content couldn't be seen except by admins. Now I know about the "ref" thing. Thanks ! <big><sup><font color=indigo>—</font>[[User:Xelias0|<font color=midnightblue>Nihil Perdere Posset </font>]][[User_talk:Xelias0|<font color=indigo>Qui Nihil Est</font>]]</sup></big> 16:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
:How does that quote justify Xemnas adding an "X"? It only mentions the coats, nothing about the X-Blade. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku]] [[User talk:Drake Clawfang|Kuroofangu]] 17:26, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Well, actually it does. Last part of the answer to question 9.  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 17:30, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
::What Question 9? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku]] [[User talk:Drake Clawfang|Kuroofangu]] 17:37, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Oh, you're talking about the excerpt that's on the page, not the source material. Yeah, that should be fixed.  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 17:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
::Got it. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku]] [[User talk:Drake Clawfang|Kuroofangu]] 17:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
::And then, I realize that I put the wrong trivia for the X-Blade. Facepalm indeed. But it's already fixed by the time I rush to correct it. Thanks anyway, Drake. <big><sup><font color=indigo>—</font>[[User:Xelias0|<font color=midnightblue>Nihil Perdere Posset </font>]][[User_talk:Xelias0|<font color=indigo>Qui Nihil Est</font>]]</sup></big> 18:36, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Question ==
 
Okay to forge the X-blade, you need to combine a heart of pure light and a heart of pure darkness right? So instead of chasing after Ventus, why didn't Master Xehanort just forge the blade using Vanitas and one of the Princesses of Heart? It would've been easier...--[[User:KRoNoS|KRoNoS]] 04:03, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
:The two need to ''clash'', and the princesses are really not of the fighting persuasion.  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 05:32, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
{{Falcos|mask=Don't the two hearts need to be equally powerful, too?}}
{{WarMonger89|text=i guess so. cause Vanitas said to ventus that he used the Unversed to make Ven stronger so that they can fuse together to make the X-Blade.}}
{{17m|text= if the two hearts need to be equally powerful, then it makes sense for MX to use Vanitas as Ven, as Vanitas is born from Ventus's Heart so they're pretty much equal. As for one of the Princesses of Hearts, their light might just be too powerful for Vanitas.}}
{{WarMonger89|text=your right about that, mate. HOWEVER, it said in the Xehanort Reports that originally Master Xehanort was planing to use Aqua (as Light) and Ventus (as Darkness) to forge the X-Blade. so, i think the whole creating-Vanitas and nearly killing Ven thing was all just a back up plan!!}}
{{TalkSephiroth0812|text= Yup, WarMonger89, you're right on this one. MX originally planned to raise Ven as a warrior of darkness, but he realized that Ven is just too benign and kind-hearted to become a dark keybearer...therefore Xehanort resorted to force Ven to use his inner darkness by pitting him against that pack of Neoshadows in the flashback we witness in BBS. But bad luck for our x-blade-obsessed old man, even then Ven refused to use his darkness and would rather die...now that really pissed MX off. His patience spent and angry about his apprentice failing to live up to his plans he cracked Ven's heart and created Vanitas.}}
 
== Design ==
{{Xemnas8|text=Since the X-blade was made by a pure light heart and a pure dark heart, shouldn’t one "Kingdom Key" be normal and the other one a Kingdom Key D to represent the light and darkness? I guess it’s too late for them to change it now but you think Nomura would’ve thought of that?}}
 
== Moving ==
 
{{Sac|time=16:14, February 8, 2011 (UTC)|hades=Shouldn't we move this page to X-Blade, but then the Chi on the place of the X?}}
{{KrytenKoro|That's what's already been done.}}
{{Sac|time=17:14, February 8, 2011 (UTC)|hades=No, I mean like this: χ-blade.}}
{{KrytenKoro|That's what's already been done.}}
{{maggosh|nathan=Sac, you DO know all articles are forced capitalized, right?}}
{{Sac|time=15:24, February 9, 2011 (UTC)|hades=Yes, I know that, but I thought as this is a special letter it could be placed there.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=That's what's already been done.}}
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=19:38, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
|text=Okay, let's clarify: a capital chi, &Chi;, looks exactly like a capital X. I presume that's the root of this confusion.
 
However, it is possible to remedy it. Although the actual article title does have to be capitalised, if we put <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:&chi;-Blade}}</nowiki> on the article, the page title should show up with a lowercase chi. At least, I think so... the variable only works to change whether the first letter is displayed as lowercase – you can't use it to show a totally different title to the actual one – so I don't know if it will necessarily work for a special character >_>
|category=Article title
}}
 
== A Keyblade?.. ==
 
Is the x-blade actually a Keyblade? There is this little quote (from Xehanort's Report VII):
 
<blockquote>''"I have uncovered the Keyblade's ultimate mystery. You see, besides the three families of Keyblades, there is another "Key Blade." While it may sound the same when spoken, it is notated uniquely: "χ-blade." And make no mistake, while it resembles a normal Keyblade, it is '''something altogether different'''. <br>Keyblades are said to be '''man-made counterparts''' to Kingdom Hearts. The χ-blade, '''however, coexists with Kingdom Hearts'''."''</blockquote>
 
Besides, in his previous report, Xehanort states that there is only three kinds of Keyblades: light, darkness, and heart. The x-blade is obviously not one of the former two (it is made of equal parts darkness and light), and is unlikely to be the latter. There are two quotes to prove it:
 
#''"Only by gathering seven hearts of pure light--hearts completely devoid of darkness--may one forge a Keyblade of heart"'', which is different from how x-blade is made;
#''"The third type of key, the Keyblade of heart, came into existence when the World was reorganized after the Keyblade War."''. Looks like x-blade existed before that: Xehanort speculates about x-blade as ''"Surely it was over this that the ancient Keyblade War was fought."'', and we know that the war was the ''cause'' of world's separation.
''<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Flia|Flia]] ([[User talk:Flia|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Flia|contribs]])</small>''
 
You're right of course, it's a χ-blade not a Keyblade. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 11:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 
Well, it is just the first sentence that is misleading: ''"The χ-blade (χブレード Kīburēdo?) is a legendary Keyblade introduced in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep."'' Guess I'll just fix it. <small>[[User:Flia|My signature is]] [[User talk:Flia|NOT short!]] </small> 12:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 
== Observation ==
Is it even possible to use this thing? Sure, Vanitas successfully wielded it for all of about 10 minutes. But consider this: The X-Blade ultimately broke at least in part because he and Ventus were not properly fused. The two hearts have to "clash" in order to make it. So it stands to reason that they will not like each other. This suggests that any time the X-Blade is forged, it will be incomplete.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 05:32, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:All you really need to do is make it, which will bring Kingdom Hearts to you. While the X-blade is intact, you take over Kingdom Hearts. So while Master Xehanort was operating under a short time-window, which he was probably aware of, if he hadn't wasted time getting a new vessel instead of becoming a god then he probably could have won.
:There's also that it's not just that the hearts clash, it's that the heart that ''desperately wanted to be unjoined'' won the clash. If Vanitas had won, it's highly likely that the X-blade would have become complete, and the two villains would have all the time in the world to tie up loose ends before becoming omnidei.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 14:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 
==Chi==
Was there any particular reason [http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=%CE%A7-blade&diff=682040&oldid=676788 my edit] was undone? I think it is pretty significant that Xehanort's claim of χ meaning "death" and spelling endings is entirely Kingdom Hearts lore. I researched this and found no evidence of it being factual outside of Kingdom Hearts. [[Special:Contributions/81.108.170.242|81.108.170.242]] 20:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
:Because this is a Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and the Design section is generally not used for citing out-of-universe information unless it is discussing the Etymology of its respective article. Even if there is no factual basis, it's not something we need to mention, since we're referring to "chi" within the context of the KH-verse. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 20:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
::More specifically, the article already states the in-universe meaning. That the meaning is ''only'' in-universe should be assumed by the reader by the fact that we don't mention the theme being taken from some specific numerological belief in the Etymology section. Therefore, it's redundant to say that there isn't something that the article never claims there was.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 
==Pronunation==
Is it okay to put "(pronounced key-blade)" into the first paragraph? When I first saw the name I thought it was called the X-Blade (Ex-Blade).[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 07:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 
Also, since it was incomplete, would that mean even though the one in the real world looked completed, it was not truly complete (Whatever that means)?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 07:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's kind of already in the lead quote, but we could add an IPA. The one in the real world was not complete, which means it had not fully summoned Kingdom Hearts.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
{{OpenTalk}}
 
==Seven Princesses==
"the χ-blade was splintered into seven fragments of pure light, which eventually become the seven princesses' hearts'<br/>
This is untrue.<br/>
In the DDD secret ending, Yen Sid says: "But the light still shining in the hearts of children rebuilt the world that we know today. And the light from the broken χ-blade was then divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world."<br/>
Mickey: "Seven pure lights. They're...the princesses of heart."<br/>
Yen Sid: "Indeed. Those seven pure hearts form the very source of all light in the world. If they are lost, the world will again give way to shadow."<br/>
It says that "the light from the broken χ-blade was then divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world." This means that the Seven Princesses have existed even before the χ-blade shattered, or at least their hearts have. The seven pieces of light from the χ-blade broke off to protect the the Princesses' hearts. (Whatever that means). It's also saying that if the Princesses are destroyed, then the world will fall to darkness, just like how the world fell to darkness in the age of fairy tales when the original Kingdom Hearts fell to darkness? Honestly, how does any of this make sense? How have the Seven Princesses been alive since the age of fairy tales? Isn't that presumably like thousands of years ago? That can't be possible since Kairi was 4 years old in BBS. Also, why would the world fall to darkness again if they're destroyed? Yen Sid is acting as if the Seven Princesses are the original Kingdom Hearts. doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 08:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:We also talked about it [[Talk:Princesses_of_Heart#Cite_for_X-blade|here]] Elfdemon, I think the current consensus is to change these paragraphs. Beside that nothing about the princesses really makes sense, I think only some insight from Nomura himself can clear this matter up. Still, at least to Master Xehanort's sixth report the third type of Keyblade, the Keyblade of heart which requires seven ''pure'' hearts of light, came to be after the Keyblade War. So I think that there is at least a possibility that the princesses didn't exist before the war. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 13:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::Kairi was definitely born after the Keyblade War, so there may be different sets of princesses as well.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Yeah. I really hope the Journal in KH3 has some sort of Glossary like in DDD, but extremely in-depth. It would help clear up confusion for old players and new players. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 20:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Maybe it's just 'cause I'm smarter than everyone else, but I just can't wrap my head around how people can misunderstand this stuff.
::::"the χ-blade was splintered into seven fragments of '''pure light''', which eventually become the '''seven princesses' hearts''''"<br/>
::::"But the light still shining in the hearts of children rebuilt the world that we know today. And '''the light''' from the broken χ-blade was then divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world."<br/>
::::Not the '''pure''' light.
::::"Indeed. Those seven pure hearts form the very source of all light in the world. If they are lost, the world will again give way to shadow."<br/>
::::The Princesses' hearts are the key, the gateway, to Kingdom Hearts(which is trapped in the Realm of Darkness). If Kingdom Hearts' conduits disappear, the whole fuse blows. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::"Yen Sid: And the light from the broken Chi-blade was then divided into seven, to protect the number of pure hearts in the world. / Mickey: Seven pure lights. They're...the princesses of heart." Which Yen Sid follows up by saying the princesses can be used as ingredients for a new X-blade.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the χ-blade is made with 7 lights and 13 darknesses, we know this. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Right. Mickey and Yen Sid indicate it broke into seven "pure lights" and thirteen darknesses.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 11:07, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I guess we'll have to wait until KH3 to finish this discussion, because the explanation we have is too vague. At least that's how it seems. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:37, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 
== "When the χ-blade hits a target, the released symbols are gold and dark blue stars, symbolic of light and darkness." appears to be inaccurate. ==
 
Is there a source for this? Because in both Birth By Sleep and Kingdom Hearts 3 the released symbols are red stars with black symbols aligning along the points within and joining in the center. This is easily verified by [https://youtu.be/p_Quqy7wZis this video.] [[User:Gilded97|Gilded97]] ([[User talk:Gilded97|talk]]) 05:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah, dark blue stars is definitely wrong, the background star varies from orange to bright red over time in BBS (the effect is not fixed) while it's simply red in KH3, the spiked foreground star is black. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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