Forum:SPECIAL ROUNDTABLE: COMMUNITY FUSION

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There have been a number of IRC discussions regarding the potential benefits of the re-merging of The Keyhole and KHWiki.net into a single encyclopedia wiki at our location. The Keyhole will be supported by our joint community as a complementary website. This means that, as it was original proposed, there will one encyclopedic site and one fan-news and community site run by a single community. In this way, we hope to solve our mutual problems, which include flagging activity, as well as the way-overplayed and unnecessary drama.

Naturally, the process would be complicated. There are many issues that would need to be carefully addressed, so that's why:

SPECIAL INTER-WIKI ROUNDTABLE THIS FRIDAY, DECEMBER 23rd

The roundtable is currently set to be held on #KHWiki-noticeboard. Staff from both KHWiki.net and the Keyhole are strongly encouraged to attend, if at all possible. The rest of our users are also welcome to attend, but we ask that if you do so, you conduct yourself appropriately. This is looking to be a long and complex process, so we need to keep serious on it. In particular, there will be a zero-drama policy. If you're attending and you have drama, be sure to dump it before you come by.

The roundtable will cover such topics as:

• The combining of Staffs
• Merging article content
  • Includes the use of tabbed subpages
• Images and renders
• Fusing policies
• Template and other general issues regarding coding
  • Includes Main Page revamp
• Combining Forums
• Walkthrough space

Thank you for your patience. We look forward to getting our community back together!

--Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 06:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Meeting log Be wary: There's much unrelated discussion in there. Chitalian8 14:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Caveat

Neumannz — ATTENTION, DUELISTS! If you could all stop staring at my hair for a moment... TALK — Those child-grabbing classes were worth every penny! — 20:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)   I shouldn't have to say this, but I will, just to be safe. We are not having any drama on this. If you disagree with this move, do so politely and with persuasive argumentation. If you start flaming us, the Keyhole, or the re-merge, we will have no sympathy, and any hateful comments posted below will be removed.

Discussion

UxieLover1994 Cuando la vida te da las herramientas, a construir motos libración — 07:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Problem: Wikia will refuse to delete wikis, unless it's a wiki ment to bully other users. So, either way, they'll still be a KHWiki at Wikia, which will get far more views than all of SEIWA's wikis combinded.

Pea14733 Knowing it in your head doesn't mean much if you don't act on it. — 14:42, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Starting time of the roundtable?

Neumannz — ATTENTION, DUELISTS! If you could all stop staring at my hair for a moment... TALK — Those child-grabbing classes were worth every penny! — 14:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)   There appear to be steps we can take that Wikia will allow. We don't want or need to delete the Keyhole, and Wikia hasn't completely hogtied us in making changes to it. And the hope is that once the community is back together, the two sites will direct visitors to each other for their respective purposes. Stay tuned for meeting times.

AS IF! The world is garbage! CRUNCH! I've wanted this to happen for a long time, but didn't know how to best present the idea. If the Keyhole and this wiki have basically the same purpose, why not have all the people who want to contribute to the mainspace come here and make the Keyhole into a fan-oriented site? I'm all for it.

LightRoxas - "I fight for the Users!" TALK - "I'm also better than you!" I agree with you As If. Both wikis have their share of dedicated workers and things they do well, why not combine them like intended? Seems like an obvious decision. And yeha, no need to delete The Keyhole, we can certainly find good uses for it (Theory space, spot to host the Mirage Arena, etc.)

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "Looks like you're prepared." "What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 20:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC) ...wait, is this forum for discussing the merge or the roundtable?

Chitalian8 Say... — And here's me, playing the world's tiniest violin. Your face is priceless. — 20:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Just the Roundtable, I believe.

SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. — "It wasn't a compliment." "From where I stood the only thing you drew was a big L on your forehead for "Loser," "Lame," "Laughable"..." — 20:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Then...can we make a forum for discussing the merge? I'm sure there is much discussing to be done here.

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 20:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I'm pretty sure that over on this side, we're generally all for the merge (except you, Crono). Maybe we could just stop by the Keyhole's forum and drop an opinion there.

..Oh. Alright then >_> --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 21:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The Inexistent - All the world's a puzzle, and I the one who made it so... TALK - EVIL has come... at last... Well, as some of you may know way back in late September/ early October, DE and I discussed this very same thing. In response to this, I wrote up a "contract" of sorts, about the combination of the wikis. So, here it is. Imagine that the topic had been suggested by me in a forum titled "Remerging with the Keyhole" sometime in late October. I'm putting this here now because I probably can't make the meeting, so I included everything I could possibly have an opinion on... hopefully. Some of you may be reading this forum title and thinking "is this about how our wiki is dead and The_Inexistent wants us to merge back to The Keyhole?". Well, I am here to inform you that that is not the case. In fact, it is the situation in reverse. For those of you who still edit on Wikia, follow the Wikia staff's blog, or have admin rights on a Wikia wiki, you might of heard or were contacted about Wikia's brilliant new idea to steal Facebook's layout. They are currently in the process of going through all of their wikis and replacing all user talk pages with their new "message wall", an [undisableable] feature that removes all content from talk pages, replacing them with locked archives. So, long story short, Wikia has succeeded in driving away the community of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki twice, yes, that's right, twice. I found out about this the first day Wikia unveiled their plans for it. I was on #wikia-kingdomhearts, and Sove linked it to me. Dark-EnigmaXIII and I then started to discuss it, and the fate of The Keyhole. DE and I were essentially on the same page, both finding the same flaws and hating the same errors with Wikia's new "update". From there, it stemmed into a conversation about DE's thoughts for the future of The Keyhole. He then mentioned that, if this feature was moderately unbearable/ unfixable, he thought the wikis should remerge. I, of course, loved this idea; it would combine our nearly inactive wiki and their excessively active wiki; our cold wiki, and their hot wiki. It would take officiality and combine it with content, that, while not needed, people simply enjoy. So, in my flurry of excitement, I wrote up a draft of what would happen if the wikis merged, as it, by that point, was a serious possibility. I showed it to both DE and Sox, and we discussed it and revised it as necessary. I aimed in the middle; not too conservative, not too liberal. </inadvertantlystartingpoliticalargument> In the end, the plan shouldn't be too shocking to either party. It should make KHWiki a far more enjoyable and active place. SO... Articles 'The Best revisions of major pages will be kept, and then revised until they are of a high quality. This one should be obvious, but I had to include it to be thorough. Articles like Sora, Riku, and Master Xehanort will obviously be updated, while pages like Glut and Piglet probably won't need much change. Quote pages will be kept KHWikians: have you looked at these? They show us to things: 1, that their community has brilliant ideas. 2, that they are willing to watch YouTube videos for hours just to get some quotes for their wiki. Plus, these things are fun to read, and add a great depth of understanding to the character of a character. These would be a wonderful supplement to any article, and show the devotion of the community. The KH3D articles will be kept. Yes, all of them. HOWEVER, they will all be thoroughly cited and speculation free. All stubs will be kept. Even if there is little to them, content is still content. And content draws. The same can be said for redirects and various other pages. Images Renders will be used as the lead image if the official image is of low quality, does not encapsulate the subject, or is incomplete. Guys, a lot of the official images suck. And a lot of the renders rock, which brings me to my next point, which is really a sub point: ALL of DE's renders will be kept, and must be incorporated somewhere in the article, if not as the lead image. Yes. I mean really, his stuff is great, and is almost, if not on par with Shard's, which, as well all know, is great. The galleries need to be kept from the Keyhole. Mostly because they are really full, and encompass a lot more than ours do. User The Lanes Between will be kept But only if the owners want to. I don't know if it should be official, or if it could be a personal arena, or whatever. All other personal things will also be kept, because they really are a lot of fun, and, as I've seen, don't really distract the dedicated editors from editing (ex. The Puzzling Aqua). Let it also be noted that I'll discuss FU with Roxas. Staff Bureaucrats: Kryten, Neumannz, DE, and Sox. Admins: All current Mods: All current I think the best plan is just to mash them all together. Some elections might need to happen, but that can be addressed later. Walkthroughs User generated walkthroughs will be linked to. I... I really don't know what to do with these. I just feel that user walkthroughs need to be shown off. KHWiki: pages Main page will be redesigned. Seeing as we've danced around this for months, we might as well do it now, using elements from both pages. MediaWiki Sox/ Erry will be in charge of the skins, and they can discuss it. Yup.

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 04:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC) I have two adjustments to suggest to this contract, which otherwise looks fine. First off, regarding the KH3D character articles, both wikis are on different levels with those. For example, compare the two Rhyme articles. While our Origin section for Rhyme is clearly superior, The Keyhole has an Appearance section and a Story section, two things our article lacks. I recommend that instead of just using The Keyhole's, they be worked on from what .net has right now, maybe bringing over certain sections from The Keyhole. Secondly, you neglected to mention what we're gonna do about Templates. Now, I hope it's obvious to everyone that The Keyhole's templates are far superior to ours. I propose that, if Sox allows it, we use some of his coding for revamped and improved templates, e.g. Game templates.