Editing KHWiki talk:Userboxes/Characters

{{TNE|text=Anymore characters ? And are there any users over here who are fans of the Disney villains (I know it sounds weird) ?}}

{{Chris|text=I think it might be nice to have a few odd characters available, in the case that anyone should want them.}}

==Olette?==
{{yer mom|text=The Category:Users who are fans of Olette thingy doesn't appear at the bottom of the page with all the other categories. Obviously I don't know how to make it appear as coding and I have a rather caustic relationship </3  Anyone knows how to add it?}}
{{TNE|text=I might be able to add them... (but I've got my hands full at the moment.) Olette, huh ? Lemme try.

EDIT : Done.}}

==Twist==

{{TNE|text=Should I add a twist to '''''all''''' character userboxes, or only to some ? To date, the only userboxes with twists are Xehanort's Heartless, Tron, Rai and Yuffie. And I'm thinking of "This user is a fan of Wonderboy" for the Hercules userbox, though I'm scared I might be pushing it a bit too far......}}

{{BebopKate|text=Sure, why not?  Nothing says userboxes have to be serious; FFWiki's character userboxes are all pretty comical.  I mean, as long as the comment is actually funny and/or fits in with the character, I say go for it.  Even have a couple of ideas myself...}}

==Moogle?==
{{yer mom|text=I propose a moogle userbox. Moogles deserve their share of love <3!  Who wouldn't want to ruffle those pompoms anyway? XD!! ''*will shut up now*''}}

{{TNE|text=Methinks I should put them under Final Fantasy cameos. I'll get to work on it now.

EDIT : Done. ^_^}}

==Admins, mods and frequent users, I need your attention !==
With all the categories coming from the userboxes, methinks we'll have to start a category tree specially for users. So it'll look like

*'''Users'''*
**Users by gender
**Users by language
**Users by affiliation (I don't know where this one leads to, though)

This is just an example, based on the definite categories. Anything else ? How do we classify characters, songs and in-game preferences ?

Also, I'm not sure whether you'll be for or against it - so have your say right here.

<poll>
Should there be a Category Tree specially for users of KHW ?
Yes
No
</poll>

{{Xiggie|time=07:54, September 11, 2009 (UTC)|happy=Ooh, ''needo'' :P

I think that the affiliation category should be split up into a few groups:

* '''Affiliation'''
** Fandom
*** Characters
*** Forms
*** Worlds
*** Songs
*** Mini-games
** WikiFauna
** Game
*** Game Accomplishments
*** Groups, Alliances and Apprenticeship
** Humor

or something like that :P}}

{{TNE|time=11:51, September 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=In that case, I'll do up the Category Tree. I'll need a few users to help out with the Userbox categories, as there are a lot of userboxes without categories of their own. Never mind if it floods the Userbox page. As long as the users show up at the end of it all.}}
{{EO|time=19:48, September 11, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=I'm all for it, Xiggie's idea, correct? I'd do it the official way via the poll, but it took to long to register my vote.}}
{{TNE|time=03:00, September 12, 2009 (UTC)|attntext=That was '''my idea''', but '''Xiggie made it much better'''. Okay, these are the users I've enlisted so far to help with the Userbox categories :

*Xiggie
*BebopKate
*EternalNothingnessXIII

Anyone else who'd like to help out ? I'll do up the tree once that's done.}}
I just said I would...and I'm working on creating some new userboxes [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Userboxes|here]]. Please tell me if any can be used and see officialism...I'm trying to let my creative side show...[[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 03:02, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|time=03:06, September 12, 2009 (UTC)|happytext=I'll take a look. ^_^

Meanwhile, this is the tree I've made thus far :

*Users
**Users by Internet browser
***Firefox users
***Google Chrome users
***Internet Explorer users
***Safari users
**Users by affiliation (to be cleaned up)
**Users by gender
***Male users
***Female users
**Users by language
***User Is
***User de
***User en
***User es
***User fr
***User he
***User ja
***User ms
***User zh

And under each of the language categories are six subcats for -N, -1, -2, -3, -4 and -5.

EDIT : Whilst you're at it, take a look at [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Userboxes]] - and feel free to contribute to the section. Once it's ready for use, you may put them into the respective sections.}}
{{Xiggie|time=09:02, September 12, 2009 (UTC)|talk=OK, I'll start working on the Character section of the ''Users by affiliation''. I'll call it: ''Users by character affiliation''

EDIT: OK, I'm done :D what to do now?}}
{{BebopKate|time=05:37, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=Well, geez, Xiggie...just go ahead and do the hard work and be awesome like that... ^_^}}
{{TNE|time=05:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=Let me inspect the tree. In the meantime, if '''characters''' are done : check out the '''songs''' and '''minigames''', plus the '''Drive Forms''', '''Apprenticeship''' and all those which are lacking categories. If the tree needs reassembling, I'll tend to it right away.}}
{{BebopKate|time=06:34, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=Forms now have their own page, and their categories are done and organized.  Whew!}}
{{TNE|time=11:51, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|remerciement=OMG - thanks. I'd better do the same for new userboxes, soon.}}
{{EO|time=11:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=I sure do have some explaining on my part why I haven't done anything in this project yet...been busy, obviously with family, please try to understand. Could someone please give me a brief refresher as to how and what we are doing here?}}
{{TNE|time=12:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|attntext=We're adding categories to userboxes, and then joining them to form a category tree which leads to all users on KHW. Because right now, the Users category needs some serious cleaning up.}}
{{EO|time=12:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=Right. I get that part, but how exactly does one do such a thing?}}
{{TNE|time=12:19, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=See this for example : [[:Template:User Sora]]. The coding below it forms a category.}}
{{Xiggie|time=13:41, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|happy=OK, I believe that this is almost done :D

let's see what's done:
* '''Affiliation'''
** <s>Characters</s>
** <s>Forms</s>
** <s>Worlds</s>
** <s>Songs</s>
** <s>Mini-games</s>
** <s>WikiFauna</s>
** <s>Game Accomplishments</s>
** Groups, Alliances and Apprenticeship ''(there aren't categories for every box here...)''
** Humor ''(There are actually no humor categories as of now...)''

Should we perhaps make the affiliation category tree like this:
* '''Affiliation'''
** Fandom Affiliations
*** Characters
*** Forms
*** Worlds
*** Songs
*** Mini-games
** Game Affiliations
*** Game Accomplishments
*** Groups, Alliances and Apprenticeship
** WikiFauna
** Humor

Perhaps the WikiFauna should be a part of the '''Users''' category, not the Users by affiliations one?}}
{{TNE|time=14:12, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm not sure........}}
{{Xiggie|time=14:16, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|text=Should we put it to a vote, or wait for someone else (like BebopKate)?

BTW, I've replied on the KHF wiki :P}}
{{TNE|time=14:25, September 13, 2009 (UTC)|happytext=Here's what we'd do (change it as you see fit, those are the only ideas I have in mind) :}}

{{Chris|text=Some things, such as humour, might become a bit extraneous -- laundry lists of links are often difficult to navigate.}}
<poll>
The Wiki-related userboxes (WikiFauna and such) should fall under what category ?
Users (main category)
WikiFauna (subcategory)
</poll>
{{BebopKate|time=01:55, September 16, 2009 (UTC)|text=WikiFauna having its own subcategory would be fine.  Also, group affiliation categories are done.}}
{{TNE|time=02:30, September 16, 2009 (UTC)|remerciement=OMG, thank you !}}

== "This user is an apprentice of x" ==

#Black Ballade - Nil (due to total immunity)
#Grey Caprice - Space
#Emerald Blues - Wind (also Spring Metal)
#Blue Rhapsody - Ice
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#Sapphire Elegy - Illusion
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#Scarlet Tango - Fire (also Crimson Jazz, Red Nocturne)
#Turquoise March - Water
#Striped Aria - Time
#Pink Concerto - Flower
#Yellow Opera - Thunder
#Silver Rock - Light (also Green Requiem)

Emerald Serenade - ?

Spring Metal could possibly go as Moon, and Crimson Jazz could serve as Earth, with that explosion thing. We still got three more than we need, though. I think these would go good for a secondary element thing if people want - same design as the Organization boxes, but with a different picture.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:09, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, that's a good idea. ^_^ Once I'm finished with my assignment, I'll help out in the userbox-making. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 00:18, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

[[I think that the Sapphire Elegy seems more reminiscent of Nothingness, while the Black Ballade more resembles Illusion in its ability, and you might also consider the Scarlet Tango for Earth (its colour would not look out of place) and use the Crimson Jazz for fire.  The Emerald Serenade might be left for those who prefer to have no element, or to allow others to fight in their stead. [[User:Christoph Schrader|<font color="pink">Christoph Schrader</font>]]

:Okay, which is which right now ? We've managed to do Fire and Ice. I think I'll work on Thunder, it's the safest yet. If there are anymore changes, let's discuss. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 01:04, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
::Black Ballade is the only one that the game doesn't explicitly say is a certain element, and it has total immunity to everything, like nil-elemental enemies. Sapphire Elegy uses Illusion attacks, and Scarlet Tango uses Fire attacks.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:27, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:I'll work on Nothingness then. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 01:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

==Shadow ?==
There's one thing I'd like to add... the cute Shadow Heartless with beady eyes ! Though I'm not sure where to put it. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 23:57, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

==iSeries==
See [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|the Mensa]] - I've just come up with the iSeries. Now, should they be...

<poll>
Should they be...
under iSeries (separate page) ?
under Characters, but have a separate section for iSeries ?
</poll>

==Original Beings==
{{LapisScarab|time=04:48, January 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Okay, ideas: for fans of Braig, how about "You mean this user is a decent Keyblade wielder after all?" For Dilan "This user wants to know what a child can possibly do." Even "This user thinks they may have some sort of connection to you in the future..." Aeleus "This user wants you to wait right there!" For Ienzo...I dunno, maybe just "......" since he doesn't talk. Isa "Looks like this user's prepared."}}

== Help! ==

Could someone make a proper userbox for users fans of Oogie Boogie? I would myself but I don't know how.([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 06:27, June 3, 2010 (UTC))

Hi there Bananaphone! I would gladly like to help you out with your userboxes! --[[User:Auror Andrachome|Auror. plus the great Andrachome]] 06:30, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's okay, I've made it and categorized it and stuff. To use it, type <nowiki>{{User Oogie}}</nowiki> on your userpage. {{Dan da Man36|1}} 08:35, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks. But it looks like I am one of the only ones who is a fan of him. :(([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 21:21, June 4, 2010 (UTC))

==Enemies subsection==
Given the amount of Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed and Dream Eaters available, I'd like to do an Enemies subsection. But:

*Do Dream Eaters get their own page, because they are both Spirit and Nightmare?
*Would they use the Userbox Q template?
*What about the other enemies? Standard Userbox or Userbox Q? I ask this especially in the case of the Heartless, because the KHX-style images are like, the best kind to use for userboxes. They're bright and colourful.

Thoughts? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="dodgerblue">Trois</font>]][[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="darkslateblue">nyx</font>]]''' 16:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

*For Dream Eaters, I would use UserboxQ and have a different image and colors for Spirit and Nightmare (and maybe Rare Nightmare).
*For Heartless with multiple images, you could use UserboxQ, but maybe it would be better to just use a choose/option tag for the images, if that's possible.
*For other enemies, it may be better to just use Userbox.
{{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

:Alright, I'll modify UserboxesNavi accordingly. Also, I noticed that test of yours. 2,000 is the max number of templates a page can support? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="dodgerblue">Trois</font>]][[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="darkslateblue">nyx</font>]]''' 16:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
::I don't know, I just stopped there. I'm pretty sure nobody will put more than 2.000 templates on their userpage. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

==Merging OrgXIII: Series 1 and Series 2==
Now that we have Userbox Q... I kinda find Series 2 a bit redundant, and any supplementary versions of the OrgXIII members can be done in the same way that other characters are done. Thoughts? '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#222222">TRS</font>]][[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#444444">NX</font>]]''' 21:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
::I fully agree. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 23:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Me too. But they are used a lot... Maybe we should make a list of templates to move, so we have to edit people's userpages only once. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 06:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
{{TNE|time=12:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|text=Switching to talk bubble so as to distinguish the list from everything else. So what do we have to move:

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*Every OrgXIII-related character template in existence needs merging
*User Chesh > User Cheshire Cat
*User MalefChar > User Maleficent
*User Xehanort Heartless > User ASOD?
*User DiZ > User Ansem Wise??
*User moogle XIII > Merge with User Moogle

----
Apart from that, recommend any other templates that need moving, because I'm not sure otherwise.}}
{{ENX|time=14:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|shocked=What about the enemy userboxes that use abbreviated/shortened names, such as User:Destr Behemoth? Also, I'd move User:Xehanort Heartless to User:Ansem, because ASOD is still a crumby abbreviation. What distinguishes this from the Ansem the Wise templates is the obvious lack of "The Wise" in the template name.}}
{{TNE|time=14:32, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|text=Possibly. As for abbreviated and shortened names, feel free to change if need be. Might as well keep a precedent going.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=17:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|shulk=The way I see it, it's okay to change the link on someone's page, but not to delete it. So, we should replace all links, like replace User Moogle XIII with the OrgXIII version of User Moogle. I think we should replace the User ____ Quote ones with User ____ Q.

I agree with ENX on User Diz/Ansem Wise. If we're going to name User Xehanort Heartless User Ansem (and not User ASOD), we should move User ASOD Q to User Ansem Q.

And more templates that need to be moved:
*User Repliku > User Riku Replica
*User MX > User Master Xehanort (Before you're going to ask, we should split MX, YX and Terra-X)
*User Terra-Xehanort and User Xehanort need to be merged, since they're the same person.
*User Buzzerfly > User Queen Buzzerfly (Apparently the Buzzerfly is the small enemy in the boss fight and we may need a template for that one. Actually, ENX, you're the only one using it, so could you change it?)

Should we make some kind of notice for the people that use the userboxes that we're going to move, so they can change it themselves?
}}
{{TNE|time=18:01, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|text=I was about to say "split Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort, but ''not'' Young Xehanort" for the same reason that younger versions of characters get featured in the character userboxes anyway, but are older and younger Xehanort really two distinct personalities to warrant two different userboxes?}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=18:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|ganon=I think so. I'm still against the merge of the two Xehanorts.}}
{{TNE|time=19:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|Alright; I'll keep the standard Xehanort template as Master Xehanort for the time being -- although time will tell if we merge or not.}}
{{ENX|time=19:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|text=I'm not sure it's fair to make the users update their pages themselves when you guys are the ones making the updates/changes necessary. I view Young Xehanort and Master Xehanort as separate characters, too; what I don't understand is why you are suddenly on a mission to make all the userboxes bland and simple, TNE. Was it not you who was trying to make everything more advanced/witty? I personally think "This user is a fan of ________" is very boring. If we somehow used the Journal entries/in-game descriptions when making userboxes for characters, enemies, etc., we could make things better and more interesting. The reason I have an issue with this is because you wrote the enemy templates so creatively, and now we're going all "blah" with the character templates...majorly inconsistent, methinks!

I know we're all busy in some way or another, but I honestly don't have time to edit or change templates the way that you guys do; I can't go and change a template every time I have an issue with it, so I'm just letting you know that the issue exists and needs fixing. That's why I mentioned the Destroyed Behemoth userbox. 

What I ''can'' do, simple as it may be, is offer suggestions, since I want to focus my edits on the mainspace, but I still have a good eye for artistry and fun. Fun is the main thing this Wiki lacks. We really need to bring it back, and the userboxes are a good place to start!}}
{{TNE|time=19:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|text=I wasn't meaning it in ''that'' way -- I'm all for brightness as you both can plainly see with the templates I've been doing. But with someone like Chernabog, or Maleficent, or anyone who has been devious altogether, if the line is tacky and I just can't think of a witty line, I keep things simple. Normally TSH chips in where he can think of a witty line, and I let him do it -- because he does a good job with it. But as you have seen with my stab with the Claude Frollo template....... I don't take evil lightly, unless I think it's fine and fitting.

If I can think of something different with which to replace some of the simpler quotes, I'll do it. (At the moment my priority is getting images and colours sorted.) Also, if younger and older Xehanort should be two templates, then let it be two templates. The jury is out two to one; I'll edit the Original Characters section accordingly.}}
{{ENX|time=19:45, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|hooded=Edit conflict! I updated my message; it's basically the same, but please re-read it when you can. By all means, focus on making the user boxes look wonderful like you've been doing; I can always add in lines from the in-game descriptions/journal entries myself, if I have to. I also basically have all the Disney movies memorized, so if I need to, I can always jazz up a userbox with a quote from one of those...

What do you have against evil characters, exactly? Just because they are evil, that does not mean they should be exempt from higher-quality userboxes. For Frollo, as an example, you could always just say "This user is a righteous man." Nothing particularly dark about that line...}}
{{TNE|time=19:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)|text=Not that I am against evil characters per se; I'd just like some fitting form of line that not only does his personality justice, but does the storyline justice. Quorra and Frollo have gotten two nice stabs (I will admit to liking the "heretic" line; very very fitting for a Catholic-centric film if I do say so myself), but there are some tricky ones.

Edit 23:13, 22 May 2015 (UTC): I've done some new quotes, just off the top of my head, but otherwise, I cannae think.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=08:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC)|tlink=About the weapon userboxes, I don't think we need a userbox for every KHD weapon. Maybe we can group them all together in one template. For example, User:Axesword could have the text "This user prefers heavy weapons" and have a variation for every type of axesword (except the signature weapons and maybe the joke weapons, because they could have funny quotes).}}
{{TNE|time=13:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC)|text=What do you think, ENX?

Also, User Terra Xehanort > Merge with User Xehanort Heartless; keep the name Terra-Xehanort??}}
{{ENX|time=15:09, 24 May 2015 (UTC)|text=My understanding is that TSH wants to make a template just for a standard weapon that randomly changes to show its varying types...kinda like the quote templates, but for weapons, right? If so, then that's fine. 

I don't think you should merge Terranort with Ansem at all. They are very different characters, despite the fact that Ansem is Terranort's Heartless.}}
{{TNE|time=16:27, 24 May 2015 (UTC)|shocktext=Just saw this message; sorry about that. ^_^' Yeah, I've given it some thought as well. Terranort isn't a Heartless; ASOD is, and their personalities should be kept separate, confusing though it may be. User Xehanort, on the other hand, probably needs deleting.

TSH, please show what you intend to do with the weapons userboxes; I'll oblige accordingly. Great work so far (to both of you), by the way -- quotes, ideas and all. For my part, I've reached at least 1,600 userbox images, and counting -- but I enjoy that bit.}}
{{ENX|time=16:29, 24 May 2015 (UTC)|sad=I just feel bad because I can't be of more help; I'd totally make images and then add them to templates if I could. Amazing work, TNE and TSH; the userboxes look AMAZING! Just a reminder for what started this conversation: the series 2 Org. XIII boxes need to be deleted.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=16:36, 24 May 2015 (UTC)|mac=Maybe you can help me out. I still need to make a few Dream Eater userboxes, but I'm having trouble thinking of good quotes. If you have any ideas, please tell me. And I think we should be ready to move the templates, and maybe you can change the links on userpages.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=08:58, 26 May 2015 (UTC)|shulk=I'm almost ready to move the pages. I made a list in excel which userpages to edit and I need to edit 83! But before I do that, TNE, could you make a User Lexaeus Q userbox and Organization XIII variation of User Moogle?}}
{{TNE|time=22:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)|text=Lexaeus Q, I can only make as long as I have the cutscene images which relate to the actual quotes of his. I'll get onto OXIII Moogle soonish. It's getting late over here; sorry I took so long to reply...}}