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== We need new admins! ==
Ladies and gentlement, we have reached a situation very much like last year; there are no longer anyone around with the authority to manage this wiki (and by manage, I mean be able to delete articles, ban vandals, uphold rules, etc.). While the former management system was more of a monarchi, we strive for a democratic solution, we therefore need a handful of people (3-6 to be more specific) who has the time, knowledge (both of Kingdom Hearts and of Wiki Markup), and will to become admins (sysops). If you think you fit the bill, then give me a heads up and we'll talk it over. And for those of you who don't make the cut (in case too many apply), no worries, any suggestions you make in the future will, of course, still be taken into consideration and your voice will still mean exactly as much as everyone elses ^_^ So, I hope to hear from any interested parties soon. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 18:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

*[[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 20:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Hey there, Hecko. I am newcomer to this Wiki and I would like to apply for the position of admin. My expertise are more towards FF, but I have completed Kingdom Hearts and CoM, and have been with my younger brother enough to know some bits of Kingdom Hearts II. But what is more important is the fact that I want to help cleanup the mess that this wiki has become. I want to learn to make a proper wiki so that I'll be able to organize another wiki properly. Hope you take this into consideration.
*<s>[[User:BlueHighwind|BlueHighwind]] 20:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC) I'd love to be apart of a wiki that isn't all about idiot Forum threads being repeated over and over again.  Plus its always been a dream of mine to ban at least one Vandal jerk.  If you want credentials, I too am a Mod on the Final Fantasy Wiki, and I've played and beaten every Kingdom Hearts game ever made.</s>
**I don't have the pateince to hang around here anymore.  Two minutes to load a page is bullshit. - [[User:BlueHighwind|BlueHighwind]] 21:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
*[[User:Hexedmagica|Hexed]] 23:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Hey Hecko, I'd like to nominate myself for admin, I have completed Kingdom Hearts I&II and know general Wiki markup.
*[[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]]:I wouldn't mind the job, I completed KH2 with a 100%, and am leveling up enough to beat Kurt Zisa. And I have plenty of ideas.
*[[User: NeloAngelo|Nelo]]: WE STILL NEED MORE Admins, last time when I visited this site, some goddamm son of a bitch vandal messed up Roxas, Demyx, and Axel's, page. Since I don't have rollback rights, it gave me hell reverting it. Curse you all vandals, curese you all. If possible, I'd like to take the job.

Well, it would seem that we have a couple of able bodies ready to take on the job. But for all fairness sake, I'll wait before notifying Sannse, in case people didn't notice this topic, but want to apply.<br>
'''(EDIT)''' I'm bumping the topic, so it doesn't get lost in the depths of the recent changes list. But if no one else applies, I'll notify Sannse of the current list, and in case more able people want to help out, we can take it as it comes. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 13:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
*I would like to nominate myself for Admin too. I just fixed the forum, and would like to create templates for the site also :) -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 02:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

So is everyone happy that all those volunteering above should be admins? or would you rather vote on a few?  You might also want to consider making some of you bureaucrats, so you can make your others admins in the future without having to come to staff... -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]]<staff /> ([[User talk:sannse|talk]]) 17:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

So the final list of admin nominees are:
*Hecko X
*Bluerfn
*Hexedmagica
*Cloudofdarkness
*NeloAngelo
*Azul81677
We should vote? Or should I just pick....hehehe... [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 19:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
:As things are right now, I don't think we have enough "regulars" to be able to make any kind of voting system work. Out of the five others, I've only regularly seen Blue make stuff from scratch in wiki-markup, but I'm pretty sure that Hexed and Azul usually go around fixing talk templates and other stuff on the FFWiki. I have no idea of what Nelo's skill level is, but I know that Cloud needs more practice, but if he sticks with it and learns the markup, then sure, one day. By the way, any word from... Jay(???) on the bottom banner thing messing up on IE? --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 20:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to help, and I'll do so if I can. But my schedule is somewhat uncertain since in 2008, I'll be starting secondary school. I don't really know but I've been told that I'll only have three subjects to deal with during the first three months, and if that is true, I should have a fair amount of free time, because seriously, my daily life consists of school, this computer and homework. But I'd need to know the problems first.[[User:TheSwordofDoubt|TheSwordofDoubt]] 09:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Vote for Bureaucrats==
:OK, so how about this... we could make all 6 of you admins, and also two of you bureaucrats.  We could have a quick vote here, with each person naming their top two choices for bureaucrat.  I will be happy with the result if at least the six prospective admins vote, and very pleased if a few others do too.  This could be more of a discussion than a vote if you like... what do you think? -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]]<staff /> ([[User talk:sannse|talk]]) 21:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

{{HexedTalk|text=I guess that could work.}}
Yes, that would probably work. As for Bueaurcrats, I nominated myself and Blue, solely based on that I have to vote, and out of the six, we are the most experienced with wiki-markup and inner workings of a wikia. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 03:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
{{HexedTalk|text=I set my vote for Bureaucrats as Hecko and Bluer, as they as far as I know are the most skilled in coding and wiki-markup out of all of the nominees}}
All right, then for Bureaucrates I vote for myself and Hecko, simply because both of us are more than interested to handle and maintain the wiki, and both have knowledge on the wikia works. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 23:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I vote Blue and Hecko :) -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 03:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

We're waiting for Nelo and Cloud's vote, though by right we already have a majority. Someone should notify them of this. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 22:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I vote Blue and Azul, no pun intended. [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]]

I personally think that we do not need that many admins. Six is too much. Even in the FFWiki we only have an active four. I think four is just enough. Two bureaucrats and two sysops is more than enough. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 23:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
:By that he means four active sysops, two of whom are also bureaucrats, not two of each. Just so there aren't any misunderstandings along the way... --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 23:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

What about mods? The people who aren't admined or whatever, can they be moderators? Just throwing it out there. -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 00:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[[user:NeloAngelo|Nelo]]:Blue and Hecko.

We need all the help we can get for this wiki, so more admins, the better, and yeah, two Bureaucrats, even though I don't know the differnce. [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 03:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt that. Even without being an admin, an editor can edit all pages as necessary. Admins are involved on more technical issues, while bureaucrats have the capability to choose admins. Moderators can rollback changes when needed. If FFWiki managed with just four admins at its helm, why won't KHWiki? Srsly, we can do this with just seven, all we need to do is be here constantly to discuss changes. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 03:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean that you'll let us all be admins without starting a fuss, cuz' these people get worked up easily (looks at Hecko). And i'm most likely the youngest of us all, I'm 12. [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 04:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Has Everyone Voted? It's obvious Hecko and Blue are the bureaucrats, with that being said Blue who are your two choices of Admins/Syops? -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 04:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Haven't voted, Azul, but I know it doesn't matter. And I'm about as young as CloudofDarkness.[[User:TheSwordofDoubt|TheSwordofDoubt]] 05:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure it does. Admins are decided by the community and since ours isn't that big we need everyone to vote :) -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 05:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:Now that you mention the community, where are the rest of the users/contributors? [[User:Faethin|Faethin]] 05:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the "community" consists of FFWiki editors. -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 05:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[[user:NeloAngelo|Nelo]]:''EDIT CONFLICT''' Speaking of admins, It's better to choose those who edits from neutral point of view, most the previous editors here are somewhat "obsessed".
==Vote for Admins & Mods==
All right. We've voted for Bureaucrats. I would think the rest should now vote on who would better be admins and who would become moderators. I won't vote in this one, I'd like you guys to pick two of the admin nominees, aside from me and Hecko who you would want to be admins. The rest will be moderators. You can vote for yourself, of course, but be honest. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 10:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
{{HexedTalk|text=I vote for myself and Nelo.}}
{{NeloAngelo|text=I'm not touching this subject, too touche, other than that, I'm fine with Hexed becoming an Admin. I do spend lots of time on the computer though (and seriously needs to get a life.)  }}
{{Cloudofdarkness|text=Azul and Nelo, no offence  Hexed, but Azul seems to know a little more one templates, and other stuff. Also, I have no problem with being a Mod (Even though I'd prefer an admin) I only joined a wiki a month or two ago and still have a lot to learn, and i'm the youngest here.}}

I vote myself and Nelo for the same reason Cloudofdarkness gave.
('''UPDATE''') Hexed has around 30 edits, I have 117, and Nelo has 313. As for Mods Cloudofdarkness and Hexed. -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 22:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've granted sysop rights to three users: Nelo, Hexed and Azul. Congratulations on your promotion to sysop, and I hope we'll make a great KH Wiki. This discussion is now closed. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 00:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

{{Cloudofdarkness|text= I feel so weak, and I can just revert the edits right, and nothing else, and I agree with Sannese, the more the merrier. But we've decided I'm too insignifigant for an admin (goes away crying).}}
Cloud, I apologize. It is not that you are insignificant, not at all! The more the merrier, I do agree with Sannse of course, we need all the help we can get to make this Wiki working. However, as a sysop, the responsibility is a bit large and decisions have to be made under close scrutiny, not an easy job I am sure. Please stick around with us, and gather more experience so you can be a sysop in the future. Till then, you are always welcome to the wiki, and don't hesitate to contact me or anyone here, okay? [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 00:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:I was gonna say pretty much the same as Blue. It's not that you are insignificant, you are just inexperienced and we feel the responcibilies are too much for you at your current level of understanding of how a Wiki works. Just keep at it, show us that you can handle it, and refrain from copy/pasting stuff or adding something too advanced for you to fix, if it doesn't work properly. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 00:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
{{Cloudofdarkness|text=Ya'know I was just kidding, I know little compared to most of you so you dont have to appoligize, I'm sure i'll be an admin soon enough. Now I gotta figure out how to make templates, oh and Blue I was gonna put a topic or two up at FFwiki so we'll have more helpful people here.}}
==Bureaucrats set! ==
{{SannseTalk|time=18:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)|text=OK, so Blue and Hecko are now admin/bureaucrats!  That means they can set the other admins you choose as soon as you choose them.  

I believe that more admins are better, and still recommend that you admin all the candidates.  I always feel that too few admins risks becoming a Big Thing, instead of being seen as a helping role to do good for the wiki.  More admins also guards against people being away or inactive.  but it's your choice :) so good luck, and call me if you need any help!}}

==too late?==
I would nominate myself because I am a pompous, cocky prick, but I'm the type who believes that they should have the power to of admin only after backbreaking tireful labor on a wikia. End statement: watch out! muaha
--[[User:Maverick King|Maverick King]] 04:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry MK but, you a little too late -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 04:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
yea... i noticed..... Guess i got some catching up to do. hehe. --[[User:Maverick King|Maverick King]] 04:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

==Portal made into a portal?==
As of now, the forums are slowly taking over the use of this place as a discussion area. The initial use of the Community Portal was to be a one-stop listing aka directfor all the Wiki's important pages such as links to wiki policy, wiki help and the like. I will try to do so, if anyone has any objections please say so. [[User:Bluerfn|Blue。]] 14:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

==Naming conventions==
We should really do something about the naming conventions here in this wiki. I think some people are also confused as to what name/title should the respective characters be. Overall, why don't we just follow the naming system as shown in [[Jiminy's Journal]]. For example, '''surnames''' should NOT be added to the title unless it is in the title of the respective character in Jiminy's Journal. An example of surnames being used are the Port Royal characters such as [[Jack Sparrow]], [[Will Turner]] etc. But for the other characters, especially the Final Fantasy characters, surnames should be omitted from the title as it is not placed as such in Jiminy's Journal. For example, Squall Leonhart should stay under [[Leon]] as even though Squall Leonhart may be his real name, he's normally refered to as Leon, even in Jiminy's Journal the heading of his character page is just simply Leon. Other examples would be Cloud Strife under [[Cloud]], Yuffie Kisaragi under [[Yuffie]] and Aerith Gainsborough under [[Aerith]]. I still see Tifa's page under [[Tifa Lockhart]] instead of Tifa and Selphie under [[Selphie Tilmitt]] when it should be Selphie instead. Bear in mind that this is a Kingdom Hearts wiki where surnames are of no importance unlike the Final Fantasy series, and that the FF characters in KH are also not exactly the same ones from the FF series. Any opinions? - [[User:DivineLady|DivineLady]] 04:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll take the idea, but this wiki's system is ruled by democracy.-[[user: NeloAngelo|Nelo]]
*But even wikis need rules and policies for others to follow as well. Look at the main Wikipedia and the Star Wars wiki! The reason why they are so much more organized and popular is because they develop their own policies and rules. Otherwise everything would be so messed up! -[[User:DivineLady|DivineLady]] 04:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
**Just bear with us Divine Lady, because we're still setting up the place. It's like moving in to a new home, it'll take some time before we're finished with this place.

I say Yes, but we have to see what Blue and Hecko says -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 04:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Its fine by me, I am getting confused on whos who. [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 04:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[[user:NeloAngelo|Nelo]]:'''EDIT CONFLICT''' as much as Democracy sucks, we still have to wait for Blue and Hecko's opinion. About the policy, we're now trying to revamp it. And I really, really wish that they change the image policy.

::'''(EDIT CONFLICT)x2''' The young lady is correct, and I myself tried to convince the KHWiki community of yore of the same thing (obviously, I was unsuccesful). FF characters are not technically the same people as the ones from their respective games, meaning that for all we know, their surnames could have changed, if they even have any. So while Disney characters should be fully named, FF character should only addressed by their first name (e.g. Cloud Strife --> Cloud), unless fully named by someone in the game. However, to be technically correct, Leon should be addressed as "Squall", since he admits it to be his first name and that Leon is an alias, but seeing that artwork and such refer to him as Leon, I can allow it. '''P.S.''' On a sidenote, Divine, don't get so worked up. We "took over" this wiki only 2-4 days ago, with the former dictator having a (in my oppinion) screwed way of ruling and managing, so not only do we have to improve articles, we have to go around fixing all his "mistakes" too. We haven't had time to set up all the rules, policies, help pages and whatnot. --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
[[user: NeloAngelo|Nelo]]: I'll start the overhaul.

== Youtube Videos ==

{{BlueHighwind
|text=I notice that many of our articles happen to have Youtube videos, in some cases that's pretty much the whole thing:  [[Gigant Shadow]].  But what is the protocal on these things?  I can't say that they look at all proffesional.  So do we keep or remove them, or some kind of inbetween thing that I can't possibly imagine?}}

I don't like them either they make the page look messy. I say remove them. -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 20:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Oh snap, I forgot about this. Leave them, I was gonna make a template that made them fit in with the articles, but it slipped my mind. I'll do it later, if I'm still awake, or tomorrow after Tai Chi (yaaaay, finally, after several months, I get to go to Tai Chi again, it better not suck...). --[[User:Hecko X|Hecko X]] 20:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
== Nominated the KHWiki ==
I've just nominated the KHWiki to be featured on the Wiki's Community portal. Check it out [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Featured_Wikia#Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki here] and vote for it [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Featured_Wikia/vote#Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki here peeps]. Tell everyone about it so they can vote! :) -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 04:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br>
('''UPDATE'''): All we need is 6 votes to catch up and 7 votes to take the lead! We're almost there! Come on, go and vote! -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 22:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
('''UPDATE'''): COME ON ALL WE NEED IS FOUR PEOPLE TO VOTE!!!! -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 22:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

('''UPDATE'''): Yes! We are in the lead. Nothing can stop us now! Thanks to the people who voted :) -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 00:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No prob Azul, I can't wait for the KH wiki to be featured on the Community Portal. I will never forget how much KHII did for me even before it arrived. [[User:TheSwordofDoubt|TheSwordofDoubt]] 09:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

HOLY- WHERE DID NONCICLOPEDIA COME FROM?!?!?! [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 00:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

('''UPDATE''') Nonciclopedia come out of nowhere. They have a message on their front page telling people to vote. I don't think we can catch up with them. Oh well look at the bright side at least we..... uhh...... at least.. hmmm..... -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 02:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I know some good news. Were winning. [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 22:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Give it a rest, guys, everyone has ther rights to vote what they want. If we suck, then we suck, if the wiki's good, we need no "encouragement" for other users to vote.--[[user:NeloAngelo|N/A]]06:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I just said we're winning. [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 15:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'm just saying that sometimes encourages can overkill.--[[user:NeloAngelo|The North Ace where everyone thinks what he says is offensive]] 15:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

@COD: Yes, for the time being we are "winning" but nonciclopedia already won featured wiki.<br>
@Nelo:Campaigning? -[[User:Azul81677|Azul]] 15:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:...yes?--[[user:NeloAngelo|♠♦♥♣]]
::They did...oh, well, I got nothing. Nelo, how did you do this ♠♦♥♣? some wierd fond? [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 23:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

===Step two===
Okay, we need to think of a new idea to attract people, I posted something on The world that never was also, We're almost done with the "facelift". any ideas, oh and don't mention the <small> underdome</small>  [[User:Cloudofdarkness|Cloudofdarkness]] 03:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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== I hope this is the right place to put this ==

We need to add some kind of general guideline on editor behavior, though I don't know if it should have teeth, or be a more general "Please be nice". Some of the things that should be mentioned are:
*Never, ever use names. If you have to be angry, attack the argument, not the person.
*When leaving warnings, be dispassionate, and list only the offense.
*Forget whatever else an editor has done when talking with them. If they've done something wrong before, then they should have gotten a warning, but don't hold a grudge against them and continue to mistreat them. (I know I've messed up on that one!)

Any other ideas?

Since ''venomous'' editor behavior ''is'' something we should be discouraging, I think this is important to do. I'm replacing the behavior request in the sitenotice with a link to the general Traverse Town, but we need to make the guideline prominent for when people get here.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:54, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
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 We need to add some kind of general guideline on editor behavior, though I don't know if it should have teeth, or be a more general "Please be nice". Some of the things that should be mentioned are:
-*Never, ever use attacks (i.e., "retard", cussing, "you're a terrible person", etc.). If you have to be angry, attack the argument, not the person.
+*Never, ever use names. If you have to be angry, attack the argument, not the person.
 *When leaving warnings, be dispassionate, and list only the offense.
 *Forget whatever else an editor has done when talking with them. If they've done something wrong before, then they should have gotten a warning, but don't hold a grudge against them and continue to mistreat them. (I know I've messed up on that one!)
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 Since ''venomous'' editor behavior ''is'' something we should be discouraging, I think this is important to do. I'm replacing the behavior request in the sitenotice with a link to the general Traverse Town, but we need to make the guideline prominent for when people get here.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:54, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
-== Should we... ==
-{{SilverCrono|time=18:21, August 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Should we mention the Featured User thing going on? Or update this?}}
-{{R&D|time=22:31, September 8, 2010 (UTC)|squall=Shouldn't we also add the @KHWiki Twitter page and the Mirage Arena to the Community Portal?}}
-{{Organization 13|time=--{{User:Organization 13/Sig}} 21:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=We also need to update the articles needed to expand and improve section.}}
-== Outdated Third District ==
-{{Lilienne|time=16:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)|text=I've gone to every link in the Magician's Study, and all the problems have been resolved.  I propose we put the [[Forum:The World that Never was|actual new stuff]] in this space. Or we could save it until we move.}}
-== Updated! ==
-{{Dan da Man36|time=17:11, 5 March 2011 (EST)|happy=All right, CaelumLucisCaliga and I have been given the job of improving this page. I've given it a quick once-over today, but does anyone else think there's something to add / change? Let me know here or on [[User talk:Dan da Man36|my talk page]]. Thanks!}}
-==Display issues==
-{{TNE|time=16:38, 1 July 2011 (EDT)|text=Is there anything I can do about this, or is it a resolution issue? Because I see the text on this page actually spilling out:
-http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/TroisNyxEtienne/Spillingout.png
-Someone please help?}}
-{{Xion4ever|time=20:16, 1 July 2011 (EDT)|text=Odd...I'm not having that problem. I've even reloaded/refreshed the page a few times as well.
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