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With KrytenKoro leaving the KHWiki and Neumannz being MIA for a year now, I think the time is as good as any to talk about staff and revising it. The community has talked about this in the past, but since we're so busy in RL and updating articles on the mainspace, we never gotten quite to it. While I wanted to wait until it was properly discussed, Porplemontage promoted me to bcrat. From our existing pool of active users/staff members, I think it's time for the community to reelect new staff members since so many users are inactive. I've been mean to bring this up, but as | With KrytenKoro leaving the KHWiki and Neumannz being MIA for a year now, I think the time is as good as any to talk about staff and revising it. The community has talked about this in the past, but since we're so busy in RL and updating articles on the mainspace, we never gotten quite to it. While I wanted to wait until it was properly discussed, Porplemontage promoted me to bcrat. From our existing pool of active users/staff members, I think it's time for the community to reelect new staff members since so many users are inactive. I've been mean to bring this up, but as KeybladeSpyMaster was also an admin before leaving due to RL circumstances, and seeing as KSM has returned and has been consistently editing since his return and his excellent conduct, I've been meaning to request that he'll be reinstated as an admin.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:08, 1 February 2018 (UTC) | ||
:I agree that we should consider new staff elections. I won't count on me, because that'll be up to everyone else, but we definitely need people that will be here or can be here if needed. If we're considering an additional bureaucrat (I think we should regardless of whether or not Neumannz chooses to stay as one), I would suggest TheSilentHero, who has done excellent work on this wiki and has especially helped fight some users who think spamming or sockpuppetry is okay. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 01:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC) | :I agree that we should consider new staff elections. I won't count on me, because that'll be up to everyone else, but we definitely need people that will be here or can be here if needed. If we're considering an additional bureaucrat (I think we should regardless of whether or not Neumannz chooses to stay as one), I would suggest TheSilentHero, who has done excellent work on this wiki and has especially helped fight some users who think spamming or sockpuppetry is okay. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 01:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC) | ||
:'''EDIT:''' Also, may I suggest once this discussion is over, that we archive this talk page. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} | :'''EDIT:''' Also, may I suggest once this discussion is over, that we archive this talk page. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} | ||
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:Until Neumannz gets back, I say we leave his position/status alone. This is both formality and being polite. In regards to nominations: Personally, I thought that KSM was already an admin...Definitely up for having KSM and Shard move up to admin status. B-crat, I think any of the three [Hero, KSM, Shard] deserve it. Obviously three are perhaps excessive, but these guys seriously deserve and could use it. Just to clear the air, is this solely for admin/b-crat positions or are we revamping the mod spots as well? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 02:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC) | :Until Neumannz gets back, I say we leave his position/status alone. This is both formality and being polite. In regards to nominations: Personally, I thought that KSM was already an admin...Definitely up for having KSM and Shard move up to admin status. B-crat, I think any of the three [Hero, KSM, Shard] deserve it. Obviously three are perhaps excessive, but these guys seriously deserve and could use it. Just to clear the air, is this solely for admin/b-crat positions or are we revamping the mod spots as well? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 02:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::::KSM was an admin before leaving the KHWiki temporarily due to RL circumstances. He came back recently and began contributing on a daily basis, but no proposal was made to reinstate him as admin until the topic was brought up. THS and SoT are both admins, as well. Again, I don't know if three bracts are necessary. A bcrat and an admin aren't that different from each other, and the only that really distinguish them is the a bcrat can change user rights, something we needed since so many of staff members are MIA. That being said, I'm going to contact Neumz about this discussion. Over a year is a long time to be off the KHWiki, I think. We should also discuss the mods, as well. Out of the four, I typically see Chainoffire and TheFifteenthMember the most in the RC, but I don't see Chitalian8 around very much, though I see him from time to time. I haven't seen Troisnyxetienne in a while.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC) | ::::::KSM was an admin before leaving the KHWiki temporarily due to RL circumstances. He came back recently and began contributing on a daily basis, but no proposal was made to reinstate him as admin until the topic was brought up. THS and SoT are both admins, as well. Again, I don't know if three bracts are necessary. A bcrat and an admin aren't that different from each other, and the only that really distinguish them is the a bcrat can change user rights, something we needed since so many of staff members are MIA. That being said, I'm going to contact Neumz about this discussion. Over a year is a long time to be off the KHWiki, I think. We should also discuss the mods, as well. Out of the four, I typically see Chainoffire and TheFifteenthMember the most in the RC, but I don't see Chitalian8 around very much, though I see him from time to time. I haven't seen Troisnyxetienne in a while.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::::::NinjaShiek is right on potentially removing Neumannz. Our [[KHWiki:Staff | :::::::NinjaShiek is right on potentially removing Neumannz. Our [[KHWiki:Staff Policy|Staff Policy]] says, "'''Undeclared Inactivity''' is the scenario under which a staff member leaves or does not edit for an extended period of time (at least 4 months) without notice." Now, the first thing we're supposed to do is notify the inactive staff member, and it seems to give a two month period before we take the move ourselves to just remove him, so I'd wait. Hence, I think that for now, we put three bureaucrats for now, two new ones + Nezzy. That way, if he chooses to stay, we still give him, and everyone else, the leeway to not feel pressured all the time to be here, and still have sufficient staff regularly on site. And if he chooses to leave and retire, well, we have two bureaucrats here already. | ||
:::::::Speaking of the policy, we need to edit it so that it adds that all staff promotions are to be determined/approved by the community's vote. This is what was wrong when ENX asked for his rights back in 2015; we always do these things via election and community consent, but that wasn't stated in the policy. So I want to make sure this is okay before I add it. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 07:07, 5 February 2018 (UTC) | :::::::Speaking of the policy, we need to edit it so that it adds that all staff promotions are to be determined/approved by the community's vote. This is what was wrong when ENX asked for his rights back in 2015; we always do these things via election and community consent, but that wasn't stated in the policy. So I want to make sure this is okay before I add it. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 07:07, 5 February 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::::::[[User talk:Neumannz#Staff Status|I have contacted Neumannz on his talk page]], so about we give him a couple of weeks to reply? | ::::::::[[User talk:Neumannz#Staff Status|I have contacted Neumannz on his talk page]], so about we give him a couple of weeks to reply? | ||
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::Guys, for the last time, my main concern is that I don't think any semi-active users should be given user rights over users who are fully active and just as eligible to have them. This has nothing to do with with the quality of edits, but rather if said user will be here to utilize those rights and keep up-to-date with new policies and guidelines, which are currently in the process of being revised/updated. It's not fair, and we must treat everyone EQUALLY. I'm completely against giving a single user any sort of special treatment, regardless of how long they've contributed to the KHWiki. There are other users who are more active than Kryten at the moment and those users should be given those rights. And since that we're such a small community where the traffic isn't all that high, I still think that creating a new user group rights might be a little redundant, but I'm not against the idea. | ::Guys, for the last time, my main concern is that I don't think any semi-active users should be given user rights over users who are fully active and just as eligible to have them. This has nothing to do with with the quality of edits, but rather if said user will be here to utilize those rights and keep up-to-date with new policies and guidelines, which are currently in the process of being revised/updated. It's not fair, and we must treat everyone EQUALLY. I'm completely against giving a single user any sort of special treatment, regardless of how long they've contributed to the KHWiki. There are other users who are more active than Kryten at the moment and those users should be given those rights. And since that we're such a small community where the traffic isn't all that high, I still think that creating a new user group rights might be a little redundant, but I'm not against the idea. | ||
::If we are to implement this, I want to make sure everyone is given a fair shot and everyone is treated equally based on our policies. Activity does matter, because if users who have user rights aren't present to assist with the management and isn't up-to-date with any new policies on the KHWiki, then what's the point of having them at all? That | ::If we are to implement this, I want to make sure everyone is given a fair shot and everyone is treated equally based on our policies. Activity does matter, because if users who have user rights aren't present to assist with the management and isn't up-to-date with any new policies on the KHWiki, then what's the point of having them at all? That cause a lot of misunderstanding. I agree with KSM in that regard. But whatever are disagreements are in regards to the subject, the community operates a fair consensus. No one user should decide how the community is run, and we often tried to run the KHWiki with the understanding that no user, even if they have user rights, are above anyone else. Everyone has to be treated fairly. If all of you believe a semi-active user like Kryten should be given user rights, then the same treatment must be extended to other users are also less active. I personally disagree with the idea, though, but consensus is consensus.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:17, 6 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
:::I don't see how being able to move files would cause a problem for returning editors, but moving pages (which all users already can do) isn't. And I don't think people would go delete pages without discussion/without it being marked for deletion. What could be changed in the policy that makes this a problem? As for who gets the rights, maybe we should let users decide if they want them or not. Someone who mainly edits pages won't have much use in being able to move files, but someone who uploads a lot of images, or who likes to do janitorial work does. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC) | :::I don't see how being able to move files would cause a problem for returning editors, but moving pages (which all users already can do) isn't. And I don't think people would go delete pages without discussion/without it being marked for deletion. What could be changed in the policy that makes this a problem? As for who gets the rights, maybe we should let users decide if they want them or not. Someone who mainly edits pages won't have much use in being able to move files, but someone who uploads a lot of images, or who likes to do janitorial work does. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
::::Agree with TSH. I don’t see any convincing cons to having a janitor or artist group. In fact, making rights more accessible affirms the “all users are equal” philosophy, making the community more open and inviting so users would be more inclined to edit. It may also decrease the perception of staff members being a dominant, elitist force, which some new editors occasionally have. We can easily set up a page where editors can ask for janitor/artist rights (I don’t actually know the difference between the two) and the community can decide without any drama whether the editor is competent and trustworthy, which are the only two criteria that are necessary for this particular group. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC) | ::::Agree with TSH. I don’t see any convincing cons to having a janitor or artist group. In fact, making rights more accessible affirms the “all users are equal” philosophy, making the community more open and inviting so users would be more inclined to edit. It may also decrease the perception of staff members being a dominant, elitist force, which some new editors occasionally have. We can easily set up a page where editors can ask for janitor/artist rights (I don’t actually know the difference between the two) and the community can decide without any drama whether the editor is competent and trustworthy, which are the only two criteria that are necessary for this particular group. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
