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I found out the name of the place where you fight Final xemnas :D please let me add a new page--[[User:Splatt Matt|Splatt Matt]] 12:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
{{TNE|text=Tell me what you think of doing, before you add a new page. I wouldn't wanna attack with VFD or even rollback.}}
 
== Org. XIII ==
 
I just realized, we have enough people to be Org.XIII. I'll work on a design. ('''Edit'''): [[User:Azul81677/Castle_Oblivion#Org._XIII|Here it is]].-[[User:Azul81677|<font color="#4682B4">Azul</font>]] <sup><small>('''''[[User talk:Azul81677|talk]]  ・[[Special:Contributions/Azul81677|contribs]]''''')</small></sup> 06:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Pretty! And flashy 8D. But there is only one girl in Org. XIII and there is more than one girl in the staff... unless someone wants Xion... but who knows what he/she counts as XD. --[[User:Yer mom|Yer mom]] 15:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Or, all the unactive staff members keep their hoods up, so people know who is active. <span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting">[[User:Ultima The High Seraph|<font color="#1E90FF ">Ult</font>]][[User talk:Ultima The High Seraph|<font color="#000080 ">ima</font>]]</span> 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
{{TNE|text=I had to be away for all this, ''n'est-ce pas'' ? Once I'm back on the wiki full-time, give me Xion !
 
Oh, and yes, I'm back, but only for a short time - because I'm already back in KL but I have to leave for Camp Miri on Friday morning.}}
 
{{NinjaSheik|happy=TNE, you're here! I'm so glad that you're okay! I wanted to see you again so badly! I miss you. How are you?}}
 
{{TNE|text=Okay, but pretty worn out. And the second half of NS is more dangerous than the first. Ping me on my talk page - because I'm too lazy to head to IRC right now.}}
 
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Okay.}}
 
=== Hooded guys ===
{{Xiggie|time=19:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)|text=just wandering, do we have renders of any hooded org. members, other than Marluxia (or is [[:File:Mysterious Figure KHFM.jpg|this]] Xemnas?) ?
 
It just seems weird to have the same hooded guy for all the inactive staff...}}
 
{{Azul|time=22:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)|text=No, those would be hard to find unless SE actually released them.}}
 
==Inactivity==
{{TNE|time=02:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)|text=What do you mean, '''inactive : Troisnyxetienne ?'''}}
 
==List of staff==
Can someone please list '''all''' the staff members of KHW and their respective positions ? I see quite a lot of users with the Paopu badge/the Staff member black Keyblade template and a number of them haven't been listed in the Staff page. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 01:38, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:The Paopu badge was made for users who were nominated for mod/adminship, it doesn't mean they are admins or mods except for the ones who actually got the spot which are Kryten (admin), DTN and HoO (mods). I think all the staff is listed here, if there's someone with they key template and is not listed here then they are probably misusing it. --{{User:Yer mom/Sig}} 01:47, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
Okay. So I guess the current list is correct. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="black">TNÉ</font>]]''' <sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">En avant</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#00BFFF ">Bravo !</font>]]'''</sub> 02:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 
== Inactive Moderator ==
 
Troisnyxetienne is on Wiki-break for at least three weeks. Since this could be considered a long period of time, I think we should probably put her down as inactive until we know that she'll be fully active again. --[[User:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:navy ;">'''Door'''</span>]][[User:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:dimgray ;">'''To'''</span>]][[User talk:DoorToNothing|<span style="color:darkslategray ;">'''Nothing'''</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/DoorToNothing|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=red>'''''Kupo!'''''</font>]]</sup> 00:46, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
:I was on her page and talk page over at the Kingdom Hearts Francophone Wiki to ask her something and her page said that the Francophone will be her permanent base from now on. - [[User:HeartOfOblivion|HeartOfOblivion]] 04:52, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
::Pardon, gentlemen, but you're suggesting that contact towards the specified is pointless here? Or did she perhaps leave some other form of contact? - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 04:54, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, first she said that she would be gone to help with some huge mess at the Francophone and two days for a summit. She then changed it to taking a hiatus for three weeks and that it might be an indefinite period. And as I said, she said on her userpage over at the Francophone that the Francophone will now be her homebase.
 
:::This could mean that she will be gone longer then three weeks. DTN suggested moving her name to inactive because we don't know when she will come back and so no one like an anon or new user tries to contact her for help and get no response. We could put a note saying if you urgently need to talk to her, contact her over at the Francophone. - [[User:HeartOfOblivion|HeartOfOblivion]] 05:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Right... but when she says break, I think she means it. I don't think she really would want to be bothered. - [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|EternalNothingnessXIII]] 05:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
== Ultima Active? ==
 
I read a conversation between Ultima and NinjaSheik implying that he was active again. The conversation is on his talk page. Shouldn't he be moved back into "Active" in the Admin section? --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 21:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
I think so.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
== Kingdom Hearts Birth by sleep ==
 
Im wondering why on the front page it said not to add any Birth by sleep siolors.
[[Special:Contributions/24.184.224.100|24.184.224.100]] 03:11, January 10, 2010 (UTC) KingdomHearts530
 
== I have information ==
 
I have information regarding Vanitas and master Xehanort. Why can't i edit. It's real and plausible information from the game plot.--[[User:XessEmperor|XessEmperor]] 16:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
:Because there's a spoiler policy enforced. You can add them in the talk page though, because talk pages are exempt from that. At least that's what I see from Vanitas' talk page. Ironic. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 12:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Inactivity ==
 
{{EO|time=18:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)|text=User and Moderator DoorToNothing has recently become inactive (he decided to leave the Wiki). Please make note of this. I'm not sure what our next action should be in terms of finding a replacement, or even if we need to.}}
 
==can you put a weekly poll on the home page==
 
[[User:Keyhole15|Keyhole15]] 00:45, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
:Sounds like a good idea, but perhaps a forum thread to discuss this more? '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 02:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
::I agree. It sound like a great idea :D <small><small>(Whoops, I guess I'm not an admin)</small></small>--{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 02:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
==Hein ?==
{{TNE|time=12:32, April 11, 2010 (UTC)|shocktext=Don't we have four mods ?}}
{{LevL|time=12:33, April 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=The other two are now admins.}}
{{TNE|time=12:40, April 11, 2010 (UTC)|shocktext=Already ?}}
:On that topic, TNE, since we only have two mods, what Heartless/Unversed would you prefer? We can switch to a different them for those guys if you want. Maybe Fortuneteller and Luna Bandit? Or Symphony Master/Iron Prisoner/Mimic Master/Trinity Armor.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 12:44, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, if it's an Unversed... Symphony Master FTW ! ^_^ But I think, to be fair, we'd have both of us take a similar type of Heartless/Unversed. If I'm a Blue sea-salt, then Urutapu would go along these lines, for example.
 
::I leave it at your discretion ^_^ {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 12:52, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
EDIT 12:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : Should I come up with something for the Admins table ? I could link each image to the user profile, but I'll have to upload each icon to PB... I dare not use the Wiki servers for this. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}}
 
<big><big>EDIT 02:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC) : Yes, and for the last time, NELOANGELO IS A GIRL ! XDDDDDDDDD {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:11, April 12, 2010 (UTC)</big></big> P.S. : I really ROFL-ed at that one.
===Trial (pardon me for the fact that I'm not using the Sandbox)===
 
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Alright, so right now, we need to gather characters from the iSeries, since that's the best way to go about the admin site for now. We don't have enough BBS icons... And using the talk sprites is going to bring back an age-old strategy which I had initially planned for the Staff page. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}}
:I kind of like the Organization thing, since we now have exactly 14 admins, but if we have to change, why not use the Mobile sprites that most of us already use?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 13:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Aaaaa, good idea. I'll get to it right away. ^_^ I think there's one for everyone. You're using Firion, aren't you ? {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 13:27, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
EDIT 13:34, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : Who do I use for the rest ? {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}}
 
EDIT 13:37, April 11, 2010 (UTC) : OXIII wouldn't work unless... we switch NeloAngelo to Xion, since NA's a female. So I'll copy/paste the entire thing back here, with links. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}}
:For Mobile, I'm using Trickmaster.
:NA's a girl?! That...that actually explains a lot. Wow.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 13:50, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Bluer was the one who told me over on the IRC, shhhhh ! :P So all the pics on the Staff page are linked to the respective user pages, rather than the file pages. So that way I don't think anyone can tamper with them. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 13:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Azul? ==
 
{{Organization 13|time=[[User:Organization 13|Organization 13]] 22:10, May 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Um... Azuls name seems to have dissapeared in his Saix box}}
{{DTN|time=22:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=That is purposefully done; Azul81677 is no longer an administrator on the ''Kingdom Hearts'' Wiki, though we do not want our Organization XIII-based setup to be ruined.}}{{Organization 13|time=[[User:Organization 13|Organization 13]] 11:00, May 2, 2010 (UTC)|text=But could'nt you take out Xion and be normal Organization XIII? What happened to him}}
 
== where on the IRC channel do i chat ==
 
--[[User:Keyhole15|Keyhole15]] 20:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Retired ==
 
So, I'm pretty sure we decided to do this once BBS was released in English. I just want to lay some groundwork here.
 
We currently have four fully retired admins (Bluerfn is still a beuracrat, and Hexed still shows up on IRC).
 
When we do the next set of promotions:
#Do we want to have discussion on replacement admins, or just move up the current mods and elect replacements for them?
#Do we want to request bureaucracy for some of the current admins, so that in the future we don't have to wait on Bluerfn? I think BK and GS would be the best fit for that, if they want it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:33, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
:I think we should see how we are doing when the time comes; based on what little vandalism we already get, I do not think that creating more administrators would be necessary. Let's just wait until the time comes for this one, methinks. However, I don't support the movement of a regular user up to an administrator without first becoming a moderator, since moderators are part of a "path-like" hierarchy toward adminship.
:Secondly, that sounds great, as long as the receiving administrators are active and available at the time. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 23:52, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Addition ==
 
{{GU|text=I edited the Cursed Carriage page with an Appearance section. I hope it looks ok.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=07:48, June 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=Umm, yeah, it looks good (by the way, have you seen [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Project Enemy|this]]?) but why are you bringing it up here? This is about the wiki's staff.}}
 
{{GU|text=Oh good lord. I'm sorry. Wrong section...(It's been a long day)..What is that in that link?}}
 
How do you show your avatar and get colors when you post??-Later Kupos
 
Remember, this talkpage is for discussions about the staff page. Let's continue this conversation on your talkpage.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 19:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, the help section, etc., tells people with questions to "ask the staff", and points them to this page. If we don't want them here, that needs to be redirected. However, since the staff page is (or should be) locked to sysops only, I don't see why we couldn't use this talk page for general purposes.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
I say we build a page that has a  contact list for staffers. It could link to talk pages and stuff. Like, Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Staff/Contacts or somethin. {{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 00:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
:So this is a bad idea? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 21:02, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Just Asking... ==
 
Hi I wanted to know that i've been editing some "stub" articles and i want to ask if i could make my own theory on the [[Soul]] Article i just wanted to know if i could and ask u guys and get your permission... Write back to me ASAP please... Thanks.
[[User:7th heaven|7th heaven]] 18:03, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
No theories. '''Period'''. And stop adding questions to the articles.--[[User:XYZach|ΧƳƵach.]] 18:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
Sorry :' ( You don't have to be so mean... i'm sorry i even asked.[[User:7th heaven|7th heaven]] 18:25, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
I was going to undo everything i typed but it was all gone. I'm sorry that i add questions on some articles, but the questions are worth thinking about. [[User:7th heaven|7th heaven]] 18:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== There's a problem with the IRC ==
There have been no OPs on. Kryten was a temp OP,but he spammed . DemonicSaint,Cherries, and maggosh cursed even when he was a temp op. AT this moment he is one. Just now Azul deoped him. Can you do something about this? --{{User:SoraDragonCalibur/Sig}} 01:31, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
:I did not spam, and I did not curse. I talked to maggosh, and he doesn't know what you're talking about either.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:27, June 25, 2010 (UTC)\
Dang it! I would've loved to have been there. I'm not sure if Glorious Chaos does that kind of stuff, but admins have there moments. {{AurorSig}}
 
Wait, was it maggosh? I need to remember. Sorry Kryten, you only need something like "ass" once. --{{User:SoraDragonCalibur/Sig}} 14:21, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
:[[wiktionary:ass|ass]] does not mention it being an obscenity.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:39, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
::"The Supreme Court has found that, when used in the context of the First Amendment, the word "obscenity" is usually limited to content that directly refers to explicit sexual acts that are publicly accessible."[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:40, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
:I think SDC's point is... we need more or better active ops. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 22:58, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
I think 2 more would be good. Personally, I don't like the voting process. I want the admins--scratch that. {{AurorSig}}
:All admins here are already ops. So... they would have to be non-sysop. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 23:14, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
Yea we need more <big> <big> RESPONSIBLE OPS THAT WON'T ABUSE THEIR POWERS </big> </big> (I'm not saying any ops currently abuses their powers) '''<font face=Trebuchet MS color=firebrick>—</font>[[User:Demonic Kunai|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=Darkred>Demonic</font>]][[User talk:Demonic Kunai|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=midnightblue>Kunai</font>]]<sup></sup>''' 23:32, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Well, not saying that some op's DON'T abuse their powers<!--Besides annoying, spam-tastic "op parties" that happen sometimes...-->, but I do think we need more ops, with Saph's absence and all. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 23:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
::A [[Forum:Suggestions for improving IRC bot|system of dealing with inappropriate chat]] is already in development. I do apologize for my recent deparetures from the IRC, I have had a few vacations and trips that I have been on. Appointing new channel operators does not solve the problem at hand. You have many active and responsible operators. What I think that you are all forgeting is that ''all channel operators'' are prone to having to leave for periods of time due to their lives outside of the wiki. You all know that has been happening to me lately, it has happened to other channel operators, '''and it will''' happen to any new channel operators we would decide to induct. For this reason, there will always be times when no channel operators are online. I think that appointing new channel operators is a hasty and overpowerful decision to make. The new function Adola is working on for NumberXVMoogle will be very helpful in dealing with profane chatters. For those who see a problem with KrytenKoro's style of monitoring the channel, he is new to the IRC, our channel's policy, and the OP abilities. I can very strongly suggest that we just let time go by, as these were all just certain situations caused by factors that are very unlikely to repeat themselves once these new measures are taken to monitor the language and outputs posted on the channel. However, most importantly, remember this: channel operators are not your babysitters. We are '''not''' there just to monitor your language and clean up the mess made by offensive or profane chat. When you log onto the IRC, you need to be responsible, and not just think that the channel operators are the only ones who are responsible for the problems with language and offensive outputs. From what I can see here, all that is being done is blaming the channel operators and working off of that. You, as an IRC user, are just as responsible for your own language and chat you use on the IRC, and you need to be a part of the solution even more than the OPs do. Therefore, there is more than just adding more users who can Kick those who are "bad." The community needs to straighten up and get serious as well. If this cannot be done, serious measures may have to be taken, such increasing the strcitness of our rules and policy or removing the channel completely. I'm sorry, but the problems on the IRC are getting ridiculous, and are having to be dealt with on the wiki. This was never intended to happen, and should never have to have been brought to the wiki. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 00:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
You make an excellent point, DTN. I almost completely agree. I think the idea of inducting new ops came forth because, last time there were no ops around, three random users were oped. I believe the idea is to ensure that there is always an op online so that we don't have to op three random users who have NO op experience. This isn't entirely about the matter of '''assuming good faith'''. To me, this strikes as if there are ever any "incidents", and there are no ops to handle it, we'll need at least one trustworthy user online, I guess :P --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 00:48, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
:I agree with you, DTN, but this week, four of the "most active" operators (DTN, SSC, Sapharus and Xion4ever) were absent. I totally respect the reasons for why they were not present, but for 3 or 4 nights in a row, people have been spamming and potty-mouthing. These people don't choose to listen to non-operative IRC users, so when these instances happened, there was no-one around to stop them. I know adding new OPs won't solve this problem in the long term, but I don't think that adding a potty-mouth-detection function to the bot will solve it either. Perhaps if something like this happens again (i.e. nearly all of the most active operators have to leave for a period of time) maybe temporary OPs wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider? <small><small>Lego, I've had op experience before...</small></small> {{User:Dan da Man36/Sig}} 08:13, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
Sorry for the random but-in, but is spamming adding too many links to youtube videos or abusing the NumberXVMoogle? {{User:Organization 13/Sig}} 10:03, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
:I think so. {{AurorSig}
I agree with you DTN,but it's just like what the others said. Maybe 1 OP should try coming to the IRC long enough to select about 2 or 3 Temp Ops. It was kind of going well with the Temp OPS until Blue(I think it was) unoped them and the people with no experience always OP people that happen to curse alot. 13:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)--{{User:SoraDragonCalibur/Sig}} 13:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
::Adola's system of monitoring profane chat through NumberXVMoogle is now functioning. In that case, Dan, the issue is not the operators, but the temporary channel operators who did not follow the [[Forum:Proposed ban policy (IRC)|ban policy]] in dealing with offences. I can tell you that, of those four channel operators, I am back, two others were on vacation (one of which is back), and the other is going to absent for an unknown period of time. We're around, but remember that you have more than just four channel operators.
 
::Furthermore, I am not against using temporary channel operators, sinc eI have granted users temporary channel operator status before. My only concernw tih it is that when you become a temporary channel operator, you follow the same rules taht a regular channel operator does, and that the functions are given to an online user(s) that is monitoring the channel. In addition, the temporary channel operator(s) should be de-OPed  immediately when a function-granted channel operator logs in. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 16:30, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I realise that we have more than 4 active operators, but I was just giving an example of the "most" active ops. Also, I'd like to add that I've had to remind several users about Rule 1 - "Play nice with others" several times over the past few days. {{User:Dan da Man36/Sig}} 16:41, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
:I apologize for my abscene on both the wiki and IRC (most of you know why). However, I will admit that we've had a similar problem before when I first joined the wiki/IRC. We fixed that problem with another [[Forum:Petition: More Ops on IRC|channel operator]] election. I'm not sure if this is necessary, but it is a thought. I don't believe our problem is a lack of operators, but a result of conflicting real life and wiki life problems. This is a reminder to all (including the spammers/rule breakers, should you be reading this): we [channel operators] usually find out who's causing problems rather quickly. Don't think the rule breaking will go unnoticed, we will find out eventually. To those users present when such spamming/bashing was happening: Yuan and Gamer can be found on the FF Wiki's IRC channel along with a few other channels. Just because they aren't on #wikia-kingdomhearts doesn't mean they aren't online somewhere else. You could always ping ( /query <nick> ) them or look on other channels. Also, we could have users from Central Wikia's IRC channel (#wikia) become operators on our channel, if Yuan or Azul give them the proper flags. Maybe this is a better solution? Similar to the few times central wikia users had to ban a few vandals on the wiki when our admins weren't active at certain times. That is just a thought..
 
I'm sorry for my sudden inactivity. Hopefully, that will soon change... -Xion4ever
 
== Kingdom Hearts Coliseum ==
 
{{R&D|time=18:00, July 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hi Staff! I have a request to make. Do you know the [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Wiki:Dragon's_Neck_Colosseum Dragon Neck Colosseum] of the FFwiki? I was wondering... It would be nice for us to have one.
 
I would like to make one and handle the stuff. [[user:ZACH|ZACH]] and [[User:KingdomKeyDarkside|KKD]] are also willing to help.
 
KKD came up with and idea. Each 4 months we pick the winner of each week and make a tounament. Daily battles to pick the favorite among the favorites. So that we don't become a copy of DNC.
 
I'll not be here for the next three days. I'll gladly wait for your answer when I come back from my trip. I'm already working on a prototype version of it.
 
Look: [[User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Laboratory|This a prototype Arena]]
 
[[Forum:Dragon's Neck Colosseum, KH style|Here is were we are gettering people to voice their opinions about the proposal]].}}


== Update ==
== Xehanort Report!!!! ==


Slight update, see [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget_Lab/Project_Page_1#KHWiki:Staff|here]]. The only thing not there that would be is the actual staff tables, only for the sake of space, but it would go where they currently on this page. Thoughts? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 05:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Ummmm....
::Looks good. But this is the project page for detailing information regarding the staff members and their responsibilities, right? In regards to having sections that details how the wiki deals with vandalism disagreements, and etc., I think they should be moved to [[KHWiki:Policy]] (once it's created) and sub-sections should be created detailing specifics policies (and linking to to those with their own pages), such general policies that applies to all users, Videos Policy, Image Policy, Deletion Policy, Blocking/Banning Policy, and et cetera. I can't explain it very well, but I do want to make a rough draft of what I have in mind later down the road.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:34, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
:::Right, of course. All the stuff after "KHWiki:Staff Manual" would actually replace the set of pages currently found in [[KHWiki:Administrators]]. I've proposed those changes in the [[KHWiki talk:Administrators|talk page]]. I just combined it all as one page to save space (since I had a lot of things I was writing drafts for at the time). I've always been in favor of a KHWiki:Policy page to be created as a general hub for all the policy pages on the wiki, too, though. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 05:57, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
:Posting my comments on this and for the KHW:Administrators page: How you have things split up looks good to me. In regards to this staff manual, this was always something BebopKate/TNE/Kryten (?)/Yuan/whoever else from "the old days" tried getting into motion. There may be more information in the userspace on such material- not sure. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 00:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


==Update 2==
Where to get Xehanort report #12?! I need it, since I'm playing Proud mode in KH BBS, to get to the Final Episode? PRETTY PLEASE, and THANK YOU very much, this wiki rocks! :D
With KrytenKoro leaving the KHWiki and Neumannz being MIA for a year now, I think the time is as good as any to talk about staff and revising it. The community has talked about this in the past, but since we're so busy in RL and updating articles on the mainspace, we never gotten quite to it. While I wanted to wait until it was properly discussed, Porplemontage promoted me to bcrat. From our existing pool of active users/staff members, I think it's time for the community to reelect new staff members since so many users are inactive. I've been mean to bring this up, but as KeybladeSpyMaster was also an admin before leaving due to RL circumstances, and seeing as KSM has returned and has been consistently editing since his return and his excellent conduct, I've been meaning to request that he'll be reinstated as an admin.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:08, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
:I agree that we should consider new staff elections. I won't count on me, because that'll be up to everyone else, but we definitely need people that will be here or can be here if needed. If we're considering an additional bureaucrat (I think we should regardless of whether or not Neumannz chooses to stay as one), I would suggest TheSilentHero, who has done excellent work on this wiki and has especially helped fight some users who think spamming or sockpuppetry is okay. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 01:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:'''EDIT:''' Also, may I suggest once this discussion is over, that we archive this talk page. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}}
::I agree that KSM should get his admin status back. He's been doing a lot of stuff for the wiki since he became active again. As for the bureaucrat, Porple said he usually stays out of staff decisions, and I think he made NinjaSheik a bureaucrat, so we have at least one active bureaucrat. Like she said, we'd normally do this after discussing, so I'd like to officially nominate NinjaSheik as the new bureaucrat. She is the most active out of the current admins, and edits practically every day, so I think she would be the best option for bureaucrat. On the messenger chat, Kryten suggested that Neumannz should consider  demoting himself due to inactivity, and he said he'll consider, so do we want to wait on what he decides, or appoint another bureaucrat, regardless of what he chooses? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:40, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:::It's been brought up on the wiki's Discord that this topic be discussed in a Roundtable meeting. I wanted to bring this out to this discussion so everyone knows and we can decide whether or not we could do this and when. And where, with the wiki's Discord now hosting a lot of the members of the wiki. As for nominations, I back NinjaSheik's nomination for bureaucrat, and like I said, I think regardless of what Neumannz chooses, it might be good to have a third bureaucrat for now. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 17:47, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
::::I've archived the talk page. Honestly, there's a lot of talk pages that needs to be archived on the wiki, but I digress.
::::Neumz hasn't made a mainspace edit since Jan. 2017, so he's MIA for over a year. That being the case, I think it's only polite to contact him and get solid confirmation that he's unable to come onto the KHWiki on a consistent basis. If he doesn't answer within a week, then I think he should get demoted. I'm sure, like all fans, they love to contribute when they can, but being a staff members means being around—not every day, of course, but on a regular basis of some kind. As for nominations, I nominate TheSilentHero and ShardofTruth for bcrat status, and as I mentioned before, KSM should be reinstated as an admin. Both TSH and SoT are active, consistent users who contribute to the KHWiki, and both already have admin rights. And, much like them, KSH have shown excellent conduct and has the experience. I don't know if a third bcract is necessary since most of there active users here are already admins, but I support whatever decisions the community makes.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:49, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Until Neumannz gets back, I say we leave his position/status alone. This is both formality and being polite. In regards to nominations: Personally, I thought that KSM was already an admin...Definitely up for having KSM and Shard move up to admin status. B-crat, I think any of the three [Hero, KSM, Shard] deserve it. Obviously three are perhaps excessive, but these guys seriously deserve and could use it. Just to clear the air, is this solely for admin/b-crat positions or are we revamping the mod spots as well? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 02:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::KSM was an admin before leaving the KHWiki temporarily due to RL circumstances. He came back recently and began contributing on a daily basis, but no proposal was made to reinstate him as admin until the topic was brought up. THS and SoT are both admins, as well. Again, I don't know if three bracts are necessary. A bcrat and an admin aren't that different from each other, and the only that really distinguish them is the a bcrat can change user rights, something we needed since so many of staff members are MIA. That being said, I'm going to contact Neumz about this discussion. Over a year is a long time to be off the KHWiki, I think. We should also discuss the mods, as well. Out of the four, I typically see Chainoffire and TheFifteenthMember the most in the RC, but I don't see Chitalian8 around very much, though I see him from time to time. I haven't seen Troisnyxetienne in a while.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::::NinjaShiek is right on potentially removing Neumannz. Our [[KHWiki:Staff policy|Staff Policy]] says, "'''Undeclared Inactivity''' is the scenario under which a staff member leaves or does not edit for an extended period of time (at least 4 months) without notice." Now, the first thing we're supposed to do is notify the inactive staff member, and it seems to give a two month period before we take the move ourselves to just remove him, so I'd wait. Hence, I think that for now, we put three bureaucrats for now, two new ones + Nezzy. That way, if he chooses to stay, we still give him, and everyone else, the leeway to not feel pressured all the time to be here, and still have sufficient staff regularly on site. And if he chooses to leave and retire, well, we have two bureaucrats here already. 
:::::::Speaking of the policy, we need to edit it so that it adds that all staff promotions are to be determined/approved by the community's vote. This is what was wrong when ENX asked for his rights back  in 2015; we always do these things via election and community consent, but that wasn't stated in the policy. So I want to make sure this is okay before I add it. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 07:07, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::::[[User talk:Neumannz#Staff Status|I have contacted Neumannz on his talk page]], so about we give him a couple of weeks to reply?
::::::::Yes, agreed. All our policies are outdated, and something like this should be explicitly stated.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:38, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
To make it clear, I've retired for good unfortunately because of commitments elsewhere. While I'm still up for participating in a community event here and there, I no longer have the time to do any proper editing. Checking the RC is not much more than a habit that I still haven't gotten out of, I'm afraid. That said, I wish you all the best with getting this wiki up and running but it's best I don't have my rights reinstated. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for the clarification, TFM. :) I do hope you'll have time to come around now and then. Does anyone know Troisnyxetienne's status? I suppose it's good idea to check in with Chitalian8? I think Chainoffire is the most active mod right now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
:TNE occasionally sends a message in the Facebook chat, but idk about Chitteh. Unforunately I'm without a computer at the moment, so all my activity has to be done on  mobile.{{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:21, 8 February 2018 (UTC)::
::So, if I'm understanding this correctly, we've got probably one bureaucrat in Neumannz, four admins, and one to two mods, right? And we're looking at NinjaShiek and/or TSH as bureaucrats, two, possibly three admins, and we'd probably be needing new mods (possibly one or two), right? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 04:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
:::@Chainoffire: So, TNE is active on Facebook? That's good to hear, since she's part of the Facebook and deviantART team. But I haven't seen her around the wiki, though. I sometimes see her name pop up in the RC, though. By the way, UnknownChaser doesn't seem to active, and he's listed as part of the deviantART team with TNE. Have you heard anything about him from her?
:::@KeybladeSpyMaster: I saw Neumz's name popped in the RC the other day, but he hasn't responded to the message I left him. In any case, out of the active staff members we have one bcrat (me, as Neumz hasn't made an edit in over a year, but he seems to check in from time to time, so does that count as activity?), three admins (TSH, SoT, and Xion4ever), and one mod (Chainoffire). If TNE is active on Facebook, then I suppose that means she is active, just not on the KHWiki itself? I suppose we should check in with Chitalian8, as he hasn't made really been around that much?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Good thing I checked the RC when I did, I suppose. I'm basically in the same boat as 15thMember - still habitually checking the Recent Changes, will gladly participate in wiki events, but don't really have the time to commit to full-time editing anymore. That might change when KH3 actually comes out, but feel free to list me as an inactive staffer if you so choose. I'll gladly chip in if any extra input is necessary in future staff selection discussions, which I can get behind. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 23:46, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
:I checked on the KHX Wiki, and it seems Neumz is active there. He pops in in the KHWiki on some sort of basis, too. I don't know what to do here. Neumz has been inactive on the KHWiki, but he's also helping on a site that we're affiliated with and does check up on us regularly. Personally, it doesn't feel very right to demote him, but as KSM pointed out,  "'''Undeclared Inactivity''' is the scenario under which a staff member leaves or does not edit for an extended period of time (at least 4 months) without notice." What does everyone else think?
:@Chitalian8: It's perfectly fine  if you can't edit full-time, but doing even a couple of edits once a month is acceptable as well. If you keep checking in the RC on a daily basis, that's good thing. After all, we have multiple staff members to make sure the KHWiki isn't being vandalized when the other members living in different timezones can't be here. The KHWiki is a hobby, not a job, so editors are not being forced to every single day. However, I think staff members should actively contribute in some way, even it's small.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
::I agree with you NinjaShiek. But I also think that, since the rest of us dropped the ball on calling out inactive staff, that its only fair to give everyone the chance to respond first after attempting to contact them before demoting them. Neumannz should have been contacted after four months of inactivity. Instead, none of us even noticed his absence for a year. It's only fair we give him the two months suggested in the policy before revoking his rights. He has been watching the site, he knows all that's going on for the most part. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 19:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that's very fair. In the meantime, though, if everyone is in agreement, I'd like to promote KSM back to admin and have TheSilentHero promoted to bcrat. THS is one of the users who had the most activity here on the KHWiki, is the most active admin who deals with vandalism, and partakes in numerous projects to better the KHWiki. He has shown to be an excellent organizer, editor, and conducted himself very admirably. TFM has announced retirement, so that's one mod gone. As for Chitalian8, considering that he participated in the End of the Year event and pops in regularly, I'm not sure what the right course is here. I think that Chitalian8 should retain mod rights until it's clear that he is not active for full four months, as the policy dictates.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


===Final Check===
==New layout, please DNT !==
Bumping this since it's been over a week. Just to check with the rest of the community, everyone is cool with KSM with being re-promoted to admin and THS to bcrat? TFM officially declared retirement. I think with the recent edits made, Chitalian8 should remain as a mod, and Neumannz should remain as bcrat until two months has passed. Thoughts?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:38, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
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::All right-y, then. No opposition has been voiced, so I shall promote KSM back to admin, THS to bcrat. With TFM declaring official retirement, TFM will be demoted. Actually, according to TFM's history, it looks KrytenKoro already demoted TFM upon request a while back ago, but TFM's name remained on the staff page, and just needs to be moved to the retirement page. That said, does anyone think it's necessary to promote another mod, or do you guys think that with so many of the active users being staff members already find it unnecessary?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
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... what? --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 05:59, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
:We had discussed this already. By "we" I mean half of us at least. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 06:02, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
::Azul said he wanted to be retired, though.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
As of last night, he has returned. - <span>[[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="black">'''Eternal'''</font>]][[User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="darkred">'''Nothingness'''</font>]][[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Jukebox|<font color="dimgray">'''XIII'''</font>]]</span> 22:49, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
::TNE: Was this decision on the IRC? If consensus is being made on the IRC, it needs to be present on the wiki as well, for all parties to take part in. If that was done, the issue with our conflicting reorganizations could have been avoided, and I would have gotten another hour of sleep instead of reorganizing the page only to find it completely different the next day.
::On the subject of Azul81677, he told me last night on an IRC Channel that Bluerfn asked him to be an administrator again, and he agreed to take his position back. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 02:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it indeed was. On your req, I'll have it documented, later tonight after dinner/prayers. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 11:07, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


==KrytenKoro==
EDIT 02:21, August 26, 2010 (UTC) : Okay. This is what happened. I signed in. BK and Bluer and Neumannz and Maggosh and Azul and ENX were there. That made six of us. And it was on the main KHIRC channel that we discussed the layout together. It's from those discussions that I'm applying whatever I remember here.
KrytenKoro recently approached me on my talk page about granting him user rights to allow him to delete/move pages, but clarifies that he does not wish to be a mod/return to the staff. I've looked into the options available, and it seems like there are two ways to do this:


1.) We create a new user group rights that specifically allows KrytenKoro to delete and move pages. Typically, a user can receive those rights if they are promoted to moderator, admin, or bureaucrat.  
And whilst I'm at it, the final leg of the remodel begins... now. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}}


2.) We give KrytenKoro "artist" rights, which allows a user to delete pages, move files, and suppress redirect during moves.
== Any staff on duty ==


However, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of granting a user who announced retirement from the staff any sort user rights, as I find that completely unfair to the other normal users who are frequently active, as opposed to a user who announced retirement and will be able to contribute on a semi-regular basis. KrytenKoro wants rights that's typically intended for users who are staff members, but does not want to be a member of the staff. Honestly, I find this situation very confusing, given the fact that KrytenKoro announced retirement to focus more on RL, but is now requesting to given the same rights as a staff member with the intention of not actually being a staff member. And again, I'm uncomfortable with this idea because it's unfair to the other normal users, such as Lady Junky, ThereArentSteps, and Sora34CE, all users who active and have contributed regularly to the KHWiki for quite some time now. I'm not a big fan of the idea, but this is a community, so I'd like to other users' opinions.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
The images [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=List_of_Keyblade_Wielders&diff=379370&oldid=379291 here] need to be moved to their new names, and have the links corrected across the wiki.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 13:09, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with NinjaSheik for the same reasons above. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 06:07, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
:Understood, I'll get to work. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 13:16, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
::While I understand why Kryten would want those rights back, and I would have no problem with him becoming a mod for that, I feel like we shouldn't give those rights if he doesn't want to be a staff member. Because that's unfair to others, like NinjaSheik said. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:47, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
::Also
I disagree. I’d rather have looser rules, where rights that help editing are given to as many users as possible, as long as the users demonstrate that they can be trusted with those rights. If a user can use rights to improve the wiki, it’s only counterproductive to remove the rights from them. Being a staff member isn’t supposed to be a reward anyway so I personally don’t think the argument of “fairness” is very valid. While staff members carry more responsibilities, I have no problem with non-staffers having powers also. If Lady Junky, ThereArentSteps and Sora34CE want the same rights and the community thinks they won’t harm the wiki with those rights, then they should get them too. I wanted my rights to be removed because I did more harm with them than good (that rollback button is ‘’so’’ easy to click). But this is just the opinion of a retired user anyway~  {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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:FM has a point. The purpose of staff members isn't that they can move and delete pages, but that they can block vandals and protect pages and stuff. So, I'd like to change my vote to giving Kryten, and other people, those "artist" rights. The question is how we decide who should have those rights. It's not like staff elections, where we want to fill in some open spots, because we can give as many users artist rights as we'd like. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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::The conversation shifted a little, but let me clarify something: As I stated above, what I find unfair is the idea that KrytenKoro, a user who retired from the staff to focus more on RL and will only be active on a semi-active basis, could be given user rights (which are only given to active users who have shown themselves to be responsible and conduct themselves in a exemplary manner), despite the fact that other users who are more active and also shown excellent conduct also should be given rights to improve the wiki, but do not have it. There are so many users on the KHWiki who deserves user rights, because they work hard to contribute to the KHWiki on a regular basis, and one of the things that is typically looked at, as per policy, is not only the user's personality in order to determine whether that are capable of handling the responsibility, but also their activity. THAT is what I find unfair. If a semi-active user like KrytenKoro is given user rights, then that means we should apply the same treatment to other users who we trust and are both SEMI-ACTIVE and FULLY active. We need to make sure everyone is treated fairly and not given just ONE user special treatment. What KrytenKoro requested is something we have NEVER done before, nor any other wikia (to my knowledge). Needless to say, this subject is brand new for all of us and needs to be discussed with careful consideration.
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::In relation to that, I'm actually glad TFM brought this up, because it's also something I looked into with Porpe's assistance. We talked about changing "artist" (no user holds that user rights management since the KHWiki's creation, as far as I know) into something more like a "helper", a group that features the user rights that KrytenKoro requested on my talk page that's different from being a mod (e.g. mods are in "charge of corralling editors, protecting pages, etc.", as Kryten puts it, but Kryten clarifies that he doesn't want to be a staff member and wants to just help delete/move pages) in order to improve the conditions on the KHWiki. I think the idea is something everyone would agree about it, though I do have concerns about redundancy.
[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 13:19, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


::Which brings me to my next point. I'm all for to making a new user rights group for users we trust, and I've had my eyes on several users who will meet these requirements, some of which I listed above. However, I do question on whether such a group is necessary, considering that I tried to broach the subject about getting a new mod to replace TFM since TFM announced retirement above, and NO ONE responded to it. After all, all staff members are fully active on the KHWiki, and anything that needs to be deleted/moved are done within 24 hours, so I figured that might saw it as something that was unnecessary. These is also something we need to address as a community. I kinda have more to say, but I'll leave at that and give the floor to someone else.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:::The deed is done, sir. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 14:14, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:27, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
==Kryten's icon==
Will handle it once I'm in Hertfordshire. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 15:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
===Restructuring===
'''Confirmed'''
*Kryten (Axel)
*DTN (Ventus)
*Neumannz (Roxas ?)
*Ultima (Sora)
*Maggosh (Vanitas)
*Xion4ever (Xion ?)
*ENX (Terra)
*Myself (Aqua)
'''Declining'''
*Azul
*Hexed ?


:::Just to add some info, there are a [https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=artist&limit=100 couple inactive users] who are artists. [[User_talk:Porplemontage#New_usergroup|Here]] is where the group was requested. Outdated project? We could certainly get rid of it or give it a new name for trusted users. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 23:58, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Has anyone else said yes, has anyone declined or do we have to do staff elections soon ? <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#8B0000">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#B8860B">Tonnerre</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#000000">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 06:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:I never said no. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 18:11, 11 February 2011 (EST)
Well, it has to be a yes then. ^_^ [[Special:Contributions/147.197.190.70|147.197.190.70]] 18:13, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:Okay, Azul and Hexed said that if they ever decide to edit again, they would like to be re-opped, but for our purposes their seats are open.
:We still need word back from bluerfn or bebop - if neither of them want to edit here, we do immediate staff elections, otherwise we wait until the 18th.
:Otherwise...anybody who doesn't show up for this, we don't both with staff notices again.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:43, 11 February 2011 (EST)


::::I'm on 15m's side here, and I trust that Kryten will be checking in enough to make use of the user rights. If any user on this site has a body of work that warrants an exception to the rule, it would be Kryten. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 03:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to bring about something from the forums back on the KH-Wiki. There was a discussion about premoting users to mods, right? I was wondering if that was still standing.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:47, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I don't think it's that much of a problem if a user with those extra rights becomes semi-active or inactive. They're not part of the staff, they don't have any responsibility, so they don't HAVE to be active. They can edit whenever they'd like. Therefore, I don't think we should remove those rights when they become inactive. Unlike staff members, we don't need to set a limit to the amount of users who can get those rights, so it doesn't matter if inactive users have them. It's basically just an extra tool for people who provide good work for the wiki. And yes, staff members usually move/delete a page within 24 hours, but I remember from my non-staff days that it was pretty annoying to mark something for deletion/move and having to wait until someone actually did it, instead of doing it myself. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah — shouldn't it be on ? We were short on mods the whole time... [[Special:Contributions/147.197.190.70|147.197.190.70]] 20:17, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::::"which are only given to active users who have shown themselves to be responsible and conduct themselves in a exemplary manner"
::::::This doesn't sound like something that's really revokable, regardless of activity. I'm still the same person and will hold my edits to the same standard -- and I'd expect the same of past staff members too.
::::::I don't want to not be able to ''help'', I want to not be in a position of ''authority''. I've advocated for a ''long'' time that delete/move are janitor-level tools that should be extended to everyone who can be trusted with them, elections not really necessary -- and the obvious solution to it being "unfair" that other longtime editors don't have these rights yet is...well, give it to them. You're the bureaucrat now, that's what your job is.
::::::"nor any other wikia" -- I don't quite get what you mean. I see this kind of thing ''a lot'' -- I'm actually not familiar with wikis ''demoting'' inactive staff, although I'm sure some do.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:26, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::NINJA'd by TSH -- yeah, basically that. I would trust any of our previous mods (unless for some reason we've banned one or two?) to continue with janitorial work.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:26, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
So, I think we should get rid of the Artists role for one. If we make a new "janitor" role, I'm okay with that, I just think the artist role right now, regardless, is unnecessary. As I recall when I drafted a History page for the wiki, the artist role was created shortly after the split to allow more users to help with the images of the recently-moved wiki, and I don't think it's been used much since.


As for the specific scenario here, I frankly still disagree with giving less-active or inactive users such tools. For one, rules and policies can change while these users are away, and they may come back and use those tools, albeit non-maliciously, to do things the "old way", and a user that does that with those tools are harder to deal with than similar edits by non-"staff" users (I'm using staff to refer to the rights, but obviously, I'm referring to those with the rights). It really should be just active users the community trusts, or we should loosen up the limits for the number of mods and how they're assigned so that its easier for trustworthy active editors to become mods. I strongly disagree with the notion that a user, any user, should be given special treatment on this or in regards to any rules, regardless of how much they've contributed or how long. And honestly, Kryten, fo someone who doesn't want to exercise authority anymore, [[Template_talk:KH3#Is_it_Necessary_to_have_this_template_locked.3F|you]] [https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:KH3&curid=51336&diff=733804&oldid=733721 sure] [[User_talk:NinjaSheik#Template_talk|keep]] exercising it. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 20:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
== EnglishJoker the Moderator ==
::@Porplemontage: Thanks for letting me know. Both users are inactive and have been demoted.
::Guys, for the last time, my main concern is that I don't think any semi-active users should be given user rights over users who are fully active and just as eligible to have them. This has nothing to do with with the quality of edits, but rather if said user will be here to utilize those rights and keep up-to-date with new policies and guidelines, which are currently in the process of being revised/updated. It's not fair, and we must treat everyone EQUALLY. I'm completely against giving a single user any sort of special treatment, regardless of how long they've contributed to the KHWiki. There are other users who are more active than Kryten at the moment and those users should be given those rights. And since that we're such a small community where the traffic isn't all that high, I still think that creating a new user group rights might be a little redundant, but I'm not against the idea.
::If we are to implement this, I want to make sure everyone is given a fair shot and everyone is treated equally based on our policies. Activity does matter, because if users who have user rights aren't present to assist with the management and isn't up-to-date with any new policies on the KHWiki, then what's the point of having them at all? That  can cause a lot of misunderstandings. I agree with KSM in that regard. But whatever are disagreements are in regards to the subject, the community operates a fair consensus. No one user should decide how the community is run, and we often tried to run the KHWiki with the understanding that no user, even if they have user rights, are above anyone else. Everyone has to be treated fairly. If all of you believe a semi-active user like Kryten should be given user rights, then the same treatment must be extended to other users are also less active. I personally disagree with the idea, though, but consensus is consensus.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:17, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't see how being able to move files would cause a problem for returning editors, but moving pages (which all users already can do) isn't. And I don't think people would go delete pages without discussion/without it being marked for deletion. What could be changed in the policy that makes this a problem? As for who gets the rights, maybe we should let users decide if they want them or not. Someone who mainly edits pages won't have much use in being able to move files, but someone who uploads a lot of images, or who likes to do janitorial work does. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Agree with TSH. I don’t see any convincing cons to having a janitor or artist group. In fact, making rights more accessible affirms the “all users are equal” philosophy, making the community more open and inviting so users would be more inclined to edit. It may also decrease the perception of staff members being a dominant, elitist force, which some new editors  occasionally have. We can easily set up a page where editors can ask for janitor/artist rights (I don’t actually know the difference between the two) and the community can decide without any drama whether the editor is competent and trustworthy, which are the only two criteria that are necessary for this particular group. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Chainoffire officially declared inactivity and we lost another mod. :(  With that said, let's not prolong this any longer. It's not getting as us anywhere. The KHWiki loses and gains new staff members and users all the time, which is a problem due to the lack of activity. As long as all users treated fairly, I am not completely against it (I still think fully active should be given rights because they'll be able to utilize the rights more than semi-actives). So, let's just move on and select and asks users if the want janitor rights. Does anyone have any recommendations? Kryten is already a candidate, and given TFM's advocacy for janitor rights, TFM is also a candidate. I'd like to recommend Lady Junky, ThereArentSteps, and Sora34CE. I think these users especially would be able to utilize the janitor rights, and all three are fully active. LeafShinobi and Pain88 are also good users, though they lean slightly more on the semi-active side.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, but I don’t want rights; I don’t intend on using them and I have zero competence with them. Maybe someone should ask those users on their talk pages if janitor rights would be something that’d be useful to them? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Regarding deletion, I don't see a need to have a discussion on the AfD every time, if the article is plainly in violation of MoS. It's pretty easy for the mods to monitor the deletion log to make sure everything's in line with policy.
:::::::Regarding me exercising authority -- informing an editor of the wiki's rules is different from enforcing them. If I was still a mod, I would have blocked the guy already for continuing to ignore the policy.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Bumping this. It seems we agreed on giving certain users janitor rights. If nobody objects, I'd like to go ahead and give Kryten those rights. We can create a page where other users can request these rights, something like [[KHWiki:Staff/Janitor]], maybe. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
I was a Moderator on the old KH Wiki but I'm not on the list on this new Wiki. Could someone please add me if I still hold that position? [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 19:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
:Yeah, sounds good. It doesn't really seem like any of the users previously recommended are very active anymore on the KHWiki, though. Setting up a page for requests for janitor rights is a good idea.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
{{Asif|sho=You were just elected, right?  As the community of the old wiki made you a moderator after the split, it means you do not hold the position here. Sorry.}}
::All right. I promoted Kryten, and made a page for the janitor rights (someone should improve it, because I'm really bad at writing stuff like this). I've set a requirement of 100 edits before they can request them, so we don't have every new user requesting them, if that's okay with everybody. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 10:10, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
{{DTN|time=21:04, 24 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Precisely. To clarify,
::Good idea, THS! :D Sounds fine with me.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:14, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


== Temporary break ==
''<big><big>Now that the wikis have been split, any newly promoted staff members do not receive the same rights or promotions on the other wiki.</big></big>''


{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=03:01, 6 May 2018 (UTC)|sad=Hey all. Wanted to let you know that I'm taking a temporary break here, starting today. My computer has finally given out earlier this afternoon, and with no apparent fix and no way I'm getting a new computer any time soon. I'll still be able to get on site on my phone, and occasionally borrow a computer, but for the most part, I don't think I'll be able to promise a consistent check-in or activity here. If I'm needed, best form of contact is either the wiki's Discord server, the KHUX party's Messenger group, or via talk page (I get an alert via email, as all do). I should be able to work out getting the next episode of the wiki's podcast up here in the next week, and that'll be it until I can afford to buy a new computer. Sorry guys.}}
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{{NinjaSheik|text=No need to apologize. :) It's fine. Thank you for the heads-up. I hope you can get it fixed soon.}}


== Resignation ==
== DeviantART ==


It's pretty clear I've crossed a line. Whatever I was attempting to point out or say has been lost. I screwed up. I apologize. I let my frustration and emotions beat me out. Obviously, and I hope it goes without saying, pushing Kryten out like this was not my intention. Creating this chaos and mess was not my intention. I've failed you all, and the community. My behavior is not befitting a member of the staff, where we're trying to get people to play nice and work together. I made a mistake and should have known better. Should have just stepped aside sooner like everyone's saying I should have.
What's the point in this? I don't see how it benefits the wiki, as one of goals isn't to set up an artistic guild or community. That's totally unrelated to the goal of creating a complete encyclopedia of our topic in the greatest breadth and depth as possible. Our goal isn't to become  the "KHWiki Empire" across the Internet, setting up accounts wherever we can. We use only what we need directly for the promotion of the site--not the creation of a group of fanartists. We don't even approve of fanart, for crying out loud. Nonetheless, the notion was appreciated, but certainly should have been discussed first among the community. I, though, find it rather useless to our goals. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 00:04, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
:Its just some harmless fun with art, like an off-wiki Mirage Arena. Not everything has to benefit us to exist. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 08:10, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::We don't approve of fanart '''on''' the wiki. When you think about it, this is going to help keep fanart '''off''' the wiki. Users who want to share their fanart with other wiki users can now do so without using the wiki itself. Also, drawing competitions like the good ol' Namine's Drawoff could now be held there, not on the wiki, and heck, if you really want, we could feature each month's featured images there in order to promote ourselves. {{User:Dan da Man36/Sig}} 09:07, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
:::'''SilverCrono''': If we are going to use our wiki's definite name as an account name, then yes, it does need to benefit us somehow. There's no purpose in us making a bunch of accounts on social networking sites, for example, to simply post jokes and quotes rather than try to spread the word of our wiki. While simply having an account does in an odd, twisted sense spread the "word" of the wiki, you have to take into account what audience is being targeted. On Facebook and Twitter, for example, the communities are huge and diverse, meaning that we can attract people who are willing to edit and work hard to improve the wiki. A fanart site, on the other hand, only promotes us to fanartists, which are useless to the growth of an encyclopedia.
:::'''Dan36''': No, it really won't. Fanart isn't allowed on this wiki's database at all, so it makes no difference whether or not it's linked to from the user's Photobucket or Imageshack rather than their DeviantART account. It doesn't provide any new service with fanart: we already have TWO, if not THREE accounts for this wiki on Photobucket that we use to share images, and that has been working perfectly for us. Simply put, ''there is no reason or problem that would justify or prompt changing our external image host''. Competitions like Naminé's Drawoff are meant to be hosted on the wiki since we have more control with full-coded editing on a page, rather than being without a central hosting location or project page. Competitions should be hosted on the wiki because they are for the wiki, produced by the wiki, promote the wiki, and celebrate the wiki.
:::My opinion remains unshaken; I find no purpose in having a deviantART account for this wiki, one that especially does not benefit the wiki. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 20:38, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::::I have to admit, DTN has a point.  Having an account on a database that promotes fandom really doesn't help this wiki; it actually promotes fandom on this wiki.


What we've got here, what we're trying to do on this site is something special. It's exciting. I've been excited and proud of being allowed the chance to be here for the last couple years. Of contributing and building and creating something real, something I could actually point to. And I'm sorry I let my own ego and frustrations get in the way of that.
::::(Also, why are we talking about DeviantART on the Staff page?) --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 20:49, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::This was the first place I saw it, since it's featured in a section on the page. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 20:58, 14 May 2011 (EDT)


We can't let these events stand in the way of that something exciting. We still have a chance of being more than all this. The toxicity of this conversation ought to be dropped and we ought to move on to what comes next, to building up this site to be the most complete Kingdom Hearts Wiki here. To make up for the lost ground of the last couple days. And again, I am sorry for the role I played in all of this.
I really see no point in having an off wiki Facebook, MySpace, or Twitter accounht, in all honesty.  How many new users have we gained from those?  Close to none.  Heck, our regular editors barely even found it (I had manually invite Kryten and Bluer).  The people that follow us on Twitter are either editors or Kingdom Hearts related websites, not new people seeing a Twitter page called #KHWiki and going "Hey, look, a wiki, I'll go become a full fledged editor there!".  {{The Inexistentsig}} 21:49, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::If we are planning on having regular fanart contests, a deviantart would certainly make sense. However, it doesn't make a whole ton of sense otherwise. I suppose it would be useful for community socialization, but we do already have a photobucket and all that.
::This should probably be opened up for a forum.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:51, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
:If used properly, I believe the Twitter (and maybe even facebook, for that matter) account could be beneficial. It could be used as sort of an offsite Trinity Archives for users who can't get online all the time (such as myself, as of recent events). I believe this solution was the general consensus for the fate of the Twitter account during the last Roundtable. This should absolutely be discussed during June's Roundtable -- I have already taken the liberty of adding it to the topic list. As for me, I completely agree with DTN here -- though I'm not opposed to using it as a host for future fanart contests, the deviantART account really doesn't do much for us; we shouldn't spread out the community just for the sake of spreading out the community. We aren't an empire.
:Stuff like this needs to be ''discussed'' before it is done... <!--Not to sound rude, but...-->...TNE, are you listening here? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 03:14, 15 May 2011 (EDT)


So, in the interest of moving forward, of pushing past this, of stepping aside, I'm resigning as a member of the Wiki staff. I've enjoyed everything you guys have given me, everything you've taught me, and every chance you've given me to grow, to learn, and to have fun with all of you. I've cherished your friendship, I've enjoyed your company. Our moments here, on the IRC, everywhere. Bashing on FANDOM like no other wiki does. I might stay on the wiki, on the Discord and lurk around, unless you guys feel it best I not, but I don't think it's in the best interest of the wiki, as we try to go past this, for me to continue to be on staff. I've clearly breached a line of trust and it'd be best if the wiki were to start with a slate of staff that they can continue to trust in. Thanks for everything, guys, you'll always be the greatest wiki I've ever been a part of. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 23:12, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
==Rearranging==
I believe that we should alter the layout of the page to differentiate between "retired" and "inactive".  For instance, users such as Xion, Crono, and maggosh, who are all self- admitedly inactive, but still contribute when they can, should be listed in the section "inactive", while users like Hexed, Bluer, and Kryten (who should still be listed here, as retired) would be listed under "retired", as they no longer edit, or choose to no longer use their staff powers. {{The Inexistentsig}} 20:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:Kryten is not retired, Kryten is demoted. Kryten could not use his old op powers even if he wanted to. Kryten should be removed from the page entirely, and Kryten also recommends an election to get the wiki at least back to two bureaucrats.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Not only should we move someone up to bcrat, we should move 1 or 2 people up to admin, as quite a few admins have gone inactive recently. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 01:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::Even if Kryten is "demoted", Kryten should still be listed on this page, as Kryten was staff, even if Kryten was demoted on Kryten's own admission. My recommendation about the "retired" staff is exactly that; users who don't retain their powers, but once had them (which is why I think we should bring over the names of users like Scottch and Riku, ''our founder''). {{The Inexistentsig}} 03:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The issue is not with having active admins; not at all. We have plenty of active ones plus at least two that can be contacted by the IRC for emergencies. KHWiki.net also does not get very much vandalism or issues requiring the use of administrative rights. As KrytenKoro suggested, however, it may be a good idea to add a new bureaucrat. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 06:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::::The retired staff is not for "all previous staff". It is for staff who have specifically kept their powers, but choose not to be active anymore -- they are listed as a "last resort" for asking for help. If they don't have staff powers, then there is no purpose listing them on the page -- all it will do is encourage messages from confused users.
::::Scottch and Riku are not our founders. We are a different wiki now. DTN, Neumannz, and the other staff at the time could fairly be said to be our founders.
::::Kryten was gotdang fired, and would prefer to not be listed on the page at all, so that people can just forget about the situation and not remind him of it and humiliate him with it all the time.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 07:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::And yet we have this lovely Talk page discussion to remind him. All the time. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::All right, everyone, simmer down! First of all, I hardly think it's necessary for anyone to be moved to admin because we haven't gotten a lot of vandalism yet. I agree with the point of moving someone up to bureaucrat. As for the restaffing, maybe we can wait until more news of Kingdom hearts 3D or something to come out. I think if users are inactive they should be place under inactive, but shouldn't be strip of their powers. Once the new Kingdom Hearts games come out, we're going to be busy again and we might need those powers again. Plus, many of those users who chosen to be inactive right now may come back when news of Kingdom Hearts come out. Isn't the September Toyko Game Show or whatever is coming pretty soon? I'm not happy about anyone becoming inactive as the next person, but I think we should slow down and take one step at a time.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 16:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:::I agree with Ninja. I, for one, think Kryten's "firing" was childish, immature, and unwarranted. There are others involved more deserving of such an act, and Kryten is NOT one of them. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Seconded. Well said, maggosh. My thoughts exactly! - <span>[[File:Terra Master Symbol.png|17px]] [[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="peru">'''Eternal'''</font>]] [[User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="black">'''Nothingness'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="saddlebrown">'''XIII'''</font>]] [[File:Terra Master Symbol.png|17px]]</span> 16:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, both. Kryten being "fired" isn't the word I would use. Kryten said it himself: He just demoted his powers. Although I think it was unnecessary, because as I said above, when the wiki becomes busy with the hustle and bustle when more Kingdom Hearts news, we might need those powers again. I think Kryten should get his powers back, because we will need them when the time comes. If he would to become inactive for certain reasons, I won't argue about placing him under inactive, but I know for certain that we won't leave us forever or anything. He's our translator for one thing, so the Kingdom Hearts Wiki will ALWAYS need him, no matter what.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:I never said, ''anywhere'' in this conversation, that we should restaff.  And DTN, I never said the issue was with having active staff; did you even ''read'' my first two posts?  {{The Inexistentsig}} 17:40, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::The Inexistent... asdfjkl; asdfjkl; asdfjkl; asdfjkl;. That post was not in reply to you and I'm not sure how you interpreted it that way. See Chitalian's message. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 19:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:::I figured that right after I responded.  I was just assuming that, because I have brought this up before, it wa directed to me, even if indirectly.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 20:23, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I think I have missed (again) some important development here. What's the demoting and firing of Kryten about? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 21:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Basically, Kryten says that he doesn't edit that much anymore, and he doesn't see a reason to have Staff powers anymore. His reasoning is [[User_talk:The_Inexistent#User_page|here]]. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 22:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::^this. I think it's funny that for once I'm not involved at all and have no idea what's going on.
:::::What ''IS'' going on?<!--I swear, if this has anything to do with the faggotry going on at the IRC...--> --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 23:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Then, by all intents and purposes, Kryten is a retired staff member, and belongs under that section. And if you whine about forgetting about the situation, and being humiliated, man the hell up. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 00:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
::Now, now, everyone. Simmer down, all right? No need to curse or get worked up. I think Kryten shouldn't be considered "retired". As I said before, he might need his powers back one day, and even he doesn't think he needs them now, he will need them soon.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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