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| Right now, the only thing I can think of to fix it is that on the profile page, the bottom rows aren't rounded unless the gallery exists. In order to make sure it stays rounded, we'd have to have a bottom row that is always there, and not optional. If you guys really wanted that, we might do a link to the "List of Heartless" like is shown in GS's example, but it would have to change based on what type of enemy is in the infobox. It would also make the navboxes pretty useless (then again...). So...do you guys want that link there? It looks fine now except for that tiny sharp corner, which is not a problem to me. I'm just putting this out there as an option.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | | Right now, the only thing I can think of to fix it is that on the profile page, the bottom rows aren't rounded unless the gallery exists. In order to make sure it stays rounded, we'd have to have a bottom row that is always there, and not optional. If you guys really wanted that, we might do a link to the "List of Heartless" like is shown in GS's example, but it would have to change based on what type of enemy is in the infobox. It would also make the navboxes pretty useless (then again...). So...do you guys want that link there? It looks fine now except for that tiny sharp corner, which is not a problem to me. I'm just putting this out there as an option.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC) |
| :What does everyone think about the Coliseum infoboxes? And is the Journal okay, this time?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:40, May 18, 2010 (UTC) | | :What does everyone think about the Coliseum infoboxes? And is the Journal okay, this time?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:40, May 18, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::Looks alright, though you might want to double check column widths of the KHC box with the regular KH box. Also, the tabs seem to be climbing leftward as they're nested deeper. Maybe that should be looked into, in case it overlaps article text. Otherwise, looks a beaut for Shadow. The only remaining potential problem I can think of is the case of a Nobody Boss, namely when it lists "Garden of Assemblage" as a location (e.g [[Game:Larxene|Larxene]]), the problem being the unusually long words in its name. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 06:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC) | | ::Looks alright, though you might want to double check column widths of the KHC box with the regular KH box. Also, the tabs seem to be climbing leftward as they're nested deeper. Maybe that should be looked into, in case it overlaps article text. Otherwise, looks a beaut for Shadow. The only remaining potential problem I can think of is the case of a Nobody Boss, namely when it lists "Garden of Assemblage" as a location (e.g [[Larxene (Boss)|Larxene]]), the problem being the unusually long words in its name. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 06:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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| :::Maybe there is a reason, why the Ultimania team choose the gear over the heart or any other available symbol for the somebody enemies, who knows? | | :::Maybe there is a reason, why the Ultimania team choose the gear over the heart or any other available symbol for the somebody enemies, who knows? |
| :::Here is a picture[http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8556/symbolsultimania.png], but my editing skills are far from being able to make a good clean version out of it. | | :::Here is a picture[http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8556/symbolsultimania.png], but my editing skills are far from being able to make a good clean version out of it. |
| :::To clear the confusion, here is a good version [http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1245/symbolsdrawing.png] of [[Naminé#Gallery|Naminé's sketch]]. Maybe a symbol page isn't a bad idea at all. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 10:13, May 19, 2010 (UTC) | | :::To clear the confusion, here is a good version [http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1245/symbolsdrawing.png] of [[Namine#Gallery|Namine's sketch]]. Maybe a symbol page isn't a bad idea at all. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 10:13, May 19, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::I've cleaned up the image, and I've coloured it gold like Kryten suggested: [http://s798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/Dan_da_Man36/Somebodylogo.png] {{Dan da Man36|1}} 10:28, May 19, 2010 (UTC) | | ::I've cleaned up the image, and I've coloured it gold like Kryten suggested: [http://s798.photobucket.com/albums/yy267/Dan_da_Man36/Somebodylogo.png] {{Dan da Man36|1}} 10:28, May 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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| ::Yes, only the scanned page. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC) | | ::Yes, only the scanned page. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::The guy I entrusted with this project is really slow, this could take a while longer. That's why they say, if you want something done, do it yourself. So here is it: | | :::The guy I entrusted with this project is really slow, this could take a while longer. That's why they say, if you want something done, do it yourself. So here is it: |
| :::[[File:Other Emblem.png|thumb|left]] | | :::[[File:Somebody Emblem.png|thumb|left]] |
| :::Any suggestions? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 16:00, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | | :::Any suggestions? --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 16:00, June 9, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::I've got a question, in the KH2 ultimania, did the Experiment have this symbol? --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 17:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::The following creatures got the "somebody logo" (named "other") in the KHII/KHII FM+ Ultimania guide (in that order):
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| :::*Pirates (all three types)
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| :::*Scar's Ghost
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| :::*Vivi
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| :::*Shadow Roxas
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| :::*Shan-Yu & Hayabusa
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| :::*The Beast
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| :::*Cerberus
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| :::*Hydra
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| :::*Pete (Timeless River one)
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| :::*Pete ("normal" one)
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| :::*Captain Barbossa
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| :::*Toy Factory (lol)
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| :::*Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed
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| :::*Scar
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| :::*Hostile Program
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| :::*Mysterious Man (strange I know)
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| :::*Hades
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| :::*Jafar's Shadow
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| :::*Jafar (Genie)
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| :::*Lock, Shock, and Barrel
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| :::*The Experiment
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| :::*Commander Sark
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| :::*Master Control Program
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| :::*Leon
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| :::*Yuffie
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| :::*Tifa
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| :::*Cloud
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| :::*Hercules
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| :::*Sephiroth
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| :::*Xemnas (Dragon Form)
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| :::*Time Bombs (while the Dragon Form fight)
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| :::*Lingering Sentiment
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| :::All Absent Silhouettes and Data forms are listed as Nobodies. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 17:36, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::I deeply apologize, ShardofTruth, I was on vacation and completely forgot about this upon my return. The icon you created looks great, though, thanks! --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 01:21, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::Don't worry DTN, my rant wasn't directed at you but to a friend of a friend who claims himself an artist. He told me, he hasn't forgotten my request so maybe we'll see his version here someday. ----[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 15:18, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Not all are Somebodies == | | == Not all are Somebodies == |
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| ::::The Rock Titan and Ice Titan are canonically Somebodies, as they can speak and do the whole deal. Cerberus and Hydra demonstrate intelligence and emotion as well. Dumbo and Bambi are clearly characters, but do not speak in KH, although Simba does. Shadow Roxas I would place with the Sentiments.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:00, June 7, 2010 (UTC) | | ::::The Rock Titan and Ice Titan are canonically Somebodies, as they can speak and do the whole deal. Cerberus and Hydra demonstrate intelligence and emotion as well. Dumbo and Bambi are clearly characters, but do not speak in KH, although Simba does. Shadow Roxas I would place with the Sentiments.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:00, June 7, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::Kerchak had a voice in the movie, but Sabor never did. (At least as far as I remember.) There is no indication that Sabor has any personality outside of that of a predator. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 16:14, June 7, 2010 (UTC) | | :::Kerchak had a voice in the movie, but Sabor never did. (At least as far as I remember.) There is no indication that Sabor has any personality outside of that of a predator. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 16:14, June 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| ::So do we want to divide non-corrupted entities into "Somebody", "Mechanism", and "Sentiment"? Those, at least, are all terms used somewhere in the series, even if Nomura hasn't explicitly defined them.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:04, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Where did "Mechanism" come from? --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 05:30, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::We could still go with the term ''Other''. This would avoid dicussions if some terms are canon/semi-canon/fanon/non-canon and doesn't make the sorting of the enemies debatable and too confusing.
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| ::Otherwise, the terms Kryten suggested seem fine to me if it means the following:
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| ::If the enemy isn't a regular enemy (Heartless/Nobody/Unversed) it's a ''Somebody''.
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| ::If something disqualifies it from being a ''Somebody'' (not complete in some way/a artifical produt/leftover/copy) then it's a ''Sentiment''.
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| ::''Mechanism'' is a tricky one, from my point of view it only applies to enemies that are mindless, that are only contraptions or obstacles. Gameplay wise the Honey Bee may fight like one, but I wouldn't call an animal mindless.
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| ::Short it's like this: Heartless/Nobody/Unversed vs. Sombody-->Sentiment-->Mechanism --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 09:18, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I guess I'm not really understanding what constitutes a "Mechanism". What makes the Honey Bee more of a Mechanism than, say, The Experiment? Do the Balls of Light or Jafar's Shadow count as Mechanisms? --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 18:03, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::The Bradygames guide seems to define it as something that takes a certain number of hits to defeat, rather than having HP. Basically, an obstacle, like the rock walls in the Cavern of Remembrance and The Land of Dragons.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:15, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Personally I've become pretty suspicious of stuff Bradygames puts in their guides, but also if we use that to define a type of enemy, we end up with enemies that don't really fall into any of the 3 categories, like the Experiment, the Ball of Light, Jafar's Shadow, etc. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 18:20, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Jafar's Shadow would be a Sentiment (remnant) or a Mechanism (no HP), right? And Ball of Light a Mechanism?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Ball of Light definitely has HP. But I think it's safe to say it has no heart, body, or soul. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 18:49, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| I'm against using "Mechanism" as one of the categories, as it defines a specific type of fight, rather than an enemy type. So maybe the categories should be Somebodies, Remnants, Mechanical Entities, and Magical Entities (or maybe combine the last two as "Artificial Entities"). --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 05:31, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Would we want to define "Mechanism" as anything non-intelligent? Rock-walls, dead spirits, and such? Or use "Obstacle"?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 15:14, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I like "Obstacle" in this case. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 02:55, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Taking back up on this discussion - the Ultimania categorizes Vivi (Boss)/Fake Vivi as "Somebody/Other", but it is absolutely a Nobody. Thoughts?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:13, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Grrr... that's an annoying one... I would say it's under "other" because it's more of a glitch caused by a Nobody than a Nobody in and of itself, with the Nobody revealing itself afterwards. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 19:53, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{ST|text=i had a thought. how about rather than sort bosses into their kh-esque species, we sort them more into origination. in other words, rather than heartless, unversed, nobodies, and sombodies, we sort them into heartless, unversed, nobodies, disney, final fantasy and kh enemies. that way it's a lot less general and a lot more fitting to the enemies}}
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| :Erg. That just does not sit well with me on any level.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:38, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{ST|text=another point i forgot to mention, itwould also save s from using "somebody" as the misc. category}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|Except for the whole "KH enemies" thing, which is just bad use of a category. We already have "Disney characters" which does basically this.}}
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| I'm trying to go through and get the categorization cleaned up for the BbS articles. Can someone go through and make sure all the leads have the correct format (see [[Jellyshade]]), and only have additional content if it doesn't fit anywhere else and defines the enemy?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:55, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
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