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| How come Scar is not considered an optional boss? You can defeat Xemnas without facing him. Why does he not have the optional boss template?([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 00:04, August 28, 2010 (UTC)) | | How come Scar is not considered an optional boss? You can defeat Xemnas without facing him. Why does he not have the optional boss template?([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 00:04, August 28, 2010 (UTC)) |
| ::I don't recall him being optional. You have to beat every character in order to progress in the story. The only optional things in KH2 are the Jiminy objectives, Atlantica, and 100 Acre Wood, to my memory. I don't recall anything being optional in KH, either, but people were able to skip Monstro. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC) | | ::I don't recall him being optional. You have to beat every character in order to progress in the story. The only optional things in KH2 are the Jiminy objectives, Atlantica, and 100 Acre Wood, to my memory. I don't recall anything being optional in KH, either, but people were able to skip Monstro. - <span>[[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="black">'''Eternal'''</font>]][[User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="darkred">'''Nothingness'''</font>]][[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Jukebox|<font color="dimgray">'''XIII'''</font>]]</span> 00:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC) |
| It says in the Pride Lands trivia the player can defeat Xemnas without entering the pride lands. Wouldn't that make everything in the Pride Lands optional.([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 00:11, August 28, 2010 (UTC)) | | It says in the Pride Lands trivia the player can defeat Xemnas without entering the pride lands. Wouldn't that make everything in the Pride Lands optional.([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 00:11, August 28, 2010 (UTC)) |
| :But in order to complete the Pride Lands, Scar must be fought, so no, he's not optional. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 00:17, August 28, 2010 (UTC) | | :But in order to complete the Pride Lands, Scar must be fought, so no, he's not optional. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 00:17, August 28, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::So how do we define "optional"? Ursula and the other skippable bosses are on the nav template for the same reason Scar could be considered optional.
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| ::Really, we shouldn't even categorize stuff as "optional bosses". It's too open to interpretation, and becomes useless.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:08, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Scar as a Heartless? ==
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| Pete says that Scar was reborn as a Heartless. However, the boss fight is categorized as a "somebody" in both of the guides, and the journal doesn't mention it at all. Furthermore, Scar has none of the defining attributes of the Heartless (yellow eyes, nature as either a stolen heart or as manifest darkness).
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| #Does the original cutscene in Japanese mention that Scar "is a Heartless"?
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| #Do we care? Do we take Pete's quote as overruling the other sources?
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| {{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:41, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| The guide shouldn't be considered a valid source, they've made countless mistakes, as we all know. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 02:24, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| :As is my custom, I ask: What does the Ultimania say?
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| :Here's the KH2FM scene [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HqAHGlC5sQ] --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 23:07, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::As I said, both the Bradygames and Ultimania guides call Scar a somebody.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:41, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Arg, Pete says "That king...~~...has become a Heartless" in the Japanese version, too.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:44, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
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| Unfortunately, the only explanation I can give would be speculation, but considering the situation, I would prefer to leave him as a Somebody. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:43, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
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| :But shouldn't the game be more canon as you would see it happening? Also maybe the reason why the Brady Games guide and Ultimania mistook him for a somebody is that Scar is a Disney character which is unlikely to become a Heartless, or the authors forgot what Pete said. Anyway, it would probably be better to play the game than to read guides. So I think Scar should be categorized as Heartless as he was one when he fought Sora. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:46, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :But the game does not unequivocally say he is a Heartless. He is not included in the Heartless section, the story summaries don't mention it, nada. ''Only Pete calls him a Heartless''.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:22, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| ===Back on the subject===
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| If the wiki can classify the Spirit of the Magic Mirror as an Unversed, then the wiki should classify Scar as a Heartless. I'm mostly neutral on it, and I'd rather keep the page the way it is, but it's just a suggestion. {{Uxie/Sig}} 07:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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