Editing Game talk:Magic Mirror

== Unversed ==
Doesn't the game journal say that when the Queen threw those potions at the Mirror it became an Unversed?--[[User:NejiHyugaRocks|NejiHyugaRocks]] 17:21, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
:...''what?'' [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 17:22, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
''When Terra returned to the Queen without Snow White's heart, she was furious, and threw a potion at the mirror. The Spirit of the Magic Mirror transformed into an Unversed, and pulled Terra into his realm to to do battle.''

Exact quote from the Dwarf Woodland's story section in Terra's report.--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 18:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that's the quote alright. --[[User:NejiHyugaRocks|NejiHyugaRocks]] 18:52, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
::...dammit, Nomura. So this goes on the Unversed list, then?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 18:55, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
:::Just, what the hell. Can someone even BECOME an Unversed? Would this make Vanitas an Unversed again? I ... I give up. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 19:03, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Saddly maggosh it could be the case. But Kryten yup he's an Unversed now. My guess it's because of the Queen's negativity or something like that.--[[User:NejiHyugaRocks|NejiHyugaRocks]] 19:05, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

It also says the same in Aqua's story of Dwarf Woodlands, that the '''potion''' she used turned him into an Unversed, so it looks like HIS OWN negativity had turned him into one.--[[User:Erry|Er]][[User talk:Erry|ry]] 22:25, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

:Time for my go-to question-- What does the Japanese journal entry say (if we can find it)?  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 01:37, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

But then, wouldn't he be under Vanitas' control? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 22:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
:It's not really a question of whether he is an Unversed or not.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 23:59, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Simply put, most evidence suggests that this character is NOT an Unversed, it was NOT generated by Vanitas, it was an existing character BEFORE the unversed were created, it does NOT bear any key Unversed visual characteristics, it does NOT use any Unversed powers or techniques and it is NOT listed an an Unversed-type enemy by the game's log in any character's reports.
The passage stating that the Queen transformed it into an Unversed is likely a mistranslation of the original phrase saying something to the effect of 'The Queen used a potion to turn the Magic Mirror into a monster/fiend/enemy.' The Unversed are the monsters/fiends/enemies of the game no? Simple translator mistake.
The Magic Mirror is a Disney Villain in the same fashion that the Ice Colossus is.

Look, pal, we don't like this any better than you do, but until we find evidence that it ''was'' a translation error, we're going to have to assume that it wasn't and keep the information as is--[[User:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#000000">Shadows</span>''']][[User talk:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#505050">Twilight</span>''']][[File:Χ-blade (Incomplete) KHBBS.png|50px]] 07:16, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

This isn't a translator mistake:
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--[[User:Erry|Er]][[User talk:Erry|ry]] 07:43, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
:That doesn't prove it wasn't a translation error Erry, it only proves thats what the English version of the journal says. --Evnyofdeath 07:45, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
::Besides, I think that's what he was referring to in the first place--[[User:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#000000">Shadows</span>''']][[User talk:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#505050">Twilight</span>''']][[File:Χ-blade (Incomplete) KHBBS.png|50px]] 07:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, people. Mr. Tiny Cat. DO NOT CLAIM TRANSLATOR MISTAKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. IT IS A WASTE OF TIME, AND BAD DEBATE TECHNIQUE.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 20:29, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
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 ::Besides, I think that's what he was referring to in the first place--[[User:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#000000">Shadows</span>''']][[User talk:ShadowsTwilight|'''<span style="color:#505050">Twilight</span>''']][[File:Χ-blade (Incomplete) KHBBS.png|50px]] 07:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 :::Okay, people. Mr. Tiny Cat. DO NOT CLAIM TRANSLATOR MISTAKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. IT IS A WASTE OF TIME, AND BAD DEBATE TECHNIQUE.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 20:29, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
-::::This is the original Japanese journal text of the non-FM version for Aqua:
-<blockquote>大きな鏡のある部屋にたどり着いたアクアは、<br>
-女王の負の感情によりアンヴァースに姿を<br>
-変えてしまったマジックミラーに鏡の中に<br>
-取り込まれてしまう。<br>
-鏡の中での戦いに勝利したアクアは鏡から脱出する。<br>
-マジックミラーは鏡の奥へ消えてしまい、手がかりが<br>
-無くなってしまったアクアは森へ帰る。<br>
-悲しみに暮れる7人のドワーフと王子。<br>
-王子が白雪姫にお別れの口づけをすると、<br>
-不思議な事に彼女のまぶたがゆっくりと<br>
-開かれていく。<br>
-白雪姫が目覚めた。<br>
-思わぬ奇跡に喜ぶ7人のドワーフたち。<br>
-安堵したアクアは思わず、ヴェントゥスが<br>
-目覚めた日の事を思い出していた。</blockquote>
-::::(taken from [http://finalsquare.gnk.cc/kouryaku/square-enix/khbbs/ohanashi_dwarf_woodlands_01.htm here]). So it's really not a translation error, still even the Ultimania don't lists the spirit as Unversed. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 11:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Well... in Dark Road seems they have retconned that. Because the Queen do the exact same thing she done in BbS with the potion and all. And not only the Magic Mirror page in the enemy album is not labbed as Unversed (that could just be because is the only Unversed), but is extremly absurd to think an Unversed existed way before Vanitas. So I think Nomura just realized how dumb was the idea of the potion to transform the Mirror in Unversed and just retconned that.--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.33.204|93.41.33.204]] 12:10, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
-== Why does the journal... ==
-Why does the journal list this character as an unversed.. Unversed are spawned from Vanitas and the magic mirror existed before Vanitas. Can someone explain please? [[User:Ichanolic|Ichanolic]] 06:48, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
-:I think it's basically because the Magic Mirror itself is a Disney character, but its Spirit in ''KH'' is an Unversed. Either way, as stated in the large conversation above, he ''is'' classed as an Unversed and we have to deal with that. {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=6:45am, December 27, 2010 (UTC)}}
-:I accidently edited the "unversed" thing before I read up on the journal. Sorry about that.  [[User:Ichanolic|Ichanolic]] 06:48, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
-:I Sorry, I did too. 1/1/11
-::That's why there is a large message in the code specifically saying nt to delete it and explaining why--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 00:44, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
-In the italian version too the Spirit of the Magic Mirror is write he was tranform in an Unversed in the story section of Terra and Aqua, is impossibile was an error--[[User:PRISON KEEPER|PRISON KEEPER]] 15:06, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
-==Question==
-Can anyone explain what he says in battle (i.e. his in-game battle quotes)
-Thanks [[Special:Contributions/134.151.33.152|134.151.33.152]] 12:01, 26 May 2011 (EDT)