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I think Xion is Kairi's nobody. I know that Namine is officially Kairi's nobody. But think about it. Kairi had two bodies: Her body and Sora's body. Sora's body could count also as her body because her heart was in Sora's body. So, when Kairi's heart left Sora's body, Namine was formed. But when Kairi's heart left Kairi's body, Xion was formed. However, there's a problem to this theory: Kairi's body couldn't have become a nobody because Kairi didn't lose her heart to the darkness. Kairi's heart never went to the darkness. I don't get how she can even have a nobody. Maybe my original theory was right. It makes sense in a weird way.[[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 04:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | I think Xion is Kairi's nobody. I know that Namine is officially Kairi's nobody. But think about it. Kairi had two bodies: Her body and Sora's body. Sora's body could count also as her body because her heart was in Sora's body. So, when Kairi's heart left Sora's body, Namine was formed. But when Kairi's heart left Kairi's body, Xion was formed. However, there's a problem to this theory: Kairi's body couldn't have become a nobody because Kairi didn't lose her heart to the darkness. Kairi's heart never went to the darkness. I don't get how she can even have a nobody. Maybe my original theory was right. It makes sense in a weird way.[[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 04:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
I think Xion is Kiari's unbirth, or atleast her version of a "Heartless" given the black hair, maybe she's Aqua's nobody... | |||
I disagree with your statment, because, well, it's not possible...[[User:NobodiewithaHeart|NobodiewithaHeart]] 22:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | I disagree with your statment, because, well, it's not possible...[[User:NobodiewithaHeart|NobodiewithaHeart]] 22:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
But I thought you couldn't get a human version of your heartless unless you willingly gave yourself to the darkness. That's what Xenahort did, right? But Aqua has been gone for years. Why would she come back now? Xion could be Kairi's unbirth but why would she be in the Organization? And how come she looks like a nobody if she's an unbirth?[[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 07:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | But I thought you couldn't get a human version of your heartless unless you willingly gave yourself to the darkness. That's what Xenahort did, right? But Aqua has been gone for years. Why would she come back now? Xion could be Kairi's unbirth but why would she be in the Organization? And how come she looks like a nobody if she's an unbirth?[[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 07:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
: | No, I think you're right. I think that Xion is Kairi's nobody. However, I disagree on your origins. Here's why: When Sora stabbed himself with the Dark Keyblade, he released 2 hearts, his and Kairi's. His body and soul with the absence of HIS heart formed Roxas. His body and soul with the absence of KAIRI's Heart formed Xion. Both can wield the keyblade because they are atleast partly Sora's nobody. | ||
Namine is the exception here. She was formed one of two ways I think. Either she was formed when Kairi's heart entered Sora's body at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts OR she was formed when Kairi used her power to restore Sora from his heartless form. It is because it was KAIRI's body and soul and NOT Sora's that makes Namine a nobody, but not part of Org. XIII. | |||
[[User:Summon:WALL•E|Summon:WALL•E]] 17:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)WALL•E | |||
If Xion is Kairi's nobody, what about Namine? Where did she come from? No, his body with the absence of Kairi's heart formed NAMINE!!! That's why she's so different from other nobodies. When she was born, Namine was "flawed". She couldn't fight and could only affect Sora and the people connected to him. Can one nobody come from two people? Actually, that would be a cool idea if it weren't for the fact that Namine came from Sora's body, not Xion. You say Namine came from Kairi's body and Xion from Sora's body. I say the exact opposite. But does it matter? The fact is Kairi has two nobodies. I'm betting that Xion, like Namine, is incomplete as a nobody. Kairi used the connection she had with Sora to bring him back from the darkness. No powers. They have some weird connection that saves either one from the darkness. Why does it matter if she was Kairi's nobody? Why would Organization XIII care about that? I thought it was because she couldn't fight.[[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 00:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | If Xion is Kairi's nobody, what about Namine? Where did she come from? No, his body with the absence of Kairi's heart formed NAMINE!!! That's why she's so different from other nobodies. When she was born, Namine was "flawed". She couldn't fight and could only affect Sora and the people connected to him. Can one nobody come from two people? Actually, that would be a cool idea if it weren't for the fact that Namine came from Sora's body, not Xion. You say Namine came from Kairi's body and Xion from Sora's body. I say the exact opposite. But does it matter? The fact is Kairi has two nobodies. I'm betting that Xion, like Namine, is incomplete as a nobody. Kairi used the connection she had with Sora to bring him back from the darkness. No powers. They have some weird connection that saves either one from the darkness. Why does it matter if she was Kairi's nobody? Why would Organization XIII care about that? I thought it was because she couldn't fight.[[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 00:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
Well, I still disagree. Is there any proof that Namine came from Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body? And then why can Xion use the keyblade? It's not a fake; it has a keychain! | |||
[[User:Summon:WALL•E|Summon:WALL•E]] 02:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | [[User:Summon:WALL•E|Summon:WALL•E]] 02:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
Then where did Namine come from? The fact that she merged with Kairi suggests at the very least that she has a relationship with Kairi. And since Roxas could merge with Sora in the same way, it's a strong possibility that Namine is Kairi's nobody. The Chasers use Keyblades that have no keychains. Are those Keyblades fake? I think that Xion is half of a nobody and Namine is the other half. Namine gets the special power. But Xion gets the special weapon. Normally, nobodies that look like humans get both a special weapon and power. Who said keychains can't be fake? | Then where did Namine come from? The fact that she merged with Kairi suggests at the very least that she has a relationship with Kairi. And since Roxas could merge with Sora in the same way, it's a strong possibility that Namine is Kairi's nobody. The Chasers use Keyblades that have no keychains. Are those Keyblades fake? I think that Xion is half of a nobody and Namine is the other half. Namine gets the special power. But Xion gets the special weapon. Normally, nobodies that look like humans get both a special weapon and power. Who said keychains can't be fake? | ||
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If you think about it, it doesn't make sense that sora's body formed two nobodies. So isn't it possible Kairi has two nobodies? [[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] 05:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC) | If you think about it, it doesn't make sense that sora's body formed two nobodies. So isn't it possible Kairi has two nobodies? [[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] 05:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
{{Summon:WALL•E|text=Why is it that Kairi can form two nobodies and Sora cannot? Are you attributing that to here status as a P.o.P.H.?}} | {{Summon:WALL•E|text=Why is it that Kairi can form two nobodies and Sora cannot? Are you attributing that to here status as a P.o.P.H.?}} | ||
You misunderstood, Namine is the nobody of Kairi's heart leaving sora's body, and Roxas is the nobody of sora's heart leaving his body. Kairi and Sora share Namine as a nobody. So my theory is when Kairi's heart left her body Xion was formed because like Sora's body Kairi's body spit in two. One being Xion and the other staying as Kairi because she is a P.o.P.H. [[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] 21:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
Huh. You've both got the same exact theory, except that you both have Namine and Xion's positions reversed in your theories. Funny. I myself don't know who to agree with. It seems that Xion and Namine both have traits connected to Sora (the ability to change his memories/use a keyblade) and Kairi (besides both looking like her, the ability to change memries of Kairi/use a keyblade). So...they both seem to be similar to them both...Roxas, Namine, and Xion are the ''weirdest'' nobodies... | |||
I just got this wierdest theory. So, to make it all understandable... appearantly Nobody's HAS hearts (Roxas, Aqua and Axel show the tendancy to have hearts). They want to belong to someone or somewhere. What I mean is that a Heart without Soul or Body could be (most likely) depressed, lonely and lost (a lost heart :O), Xemnas shows anger. That is a feeling, frustration is a feeling, etc. etc. Naminé shows feelings and so on and so on, how can an emotionless being feel anything? I would say that they ARE hearts. Roxas isn't a Nobody, he is Ven's heart! "What have you done to his heart!?" - Terra to Xehanort about Ven. What if Xehanort steals Ven's heart, something happens between Terra and Xehanort (kills each other? their energies merge? split into Ansem and Xemnas?)? Into Sora in that case, creating Roxas. Appearantly some people are able to steal hearts as well (Malecifant, Chain of Memories, Belle's heart... I read she was an important figure in Birth by Sleep, wink wink). I believe that when Sora holds Kairi's heart, and becomes a heartless, Naminé is created. Kairi's Nobody (I believe Aqua and Kairi has as much connection as Riku and Terra. Kairi is a Princess of Hearts. I doubt Aqua is one. And being a Princess of Hearts is a big thing). | I just got this wierdest theory. So, to make it all understandable... appearantly Nobody's HAS hearts (Roxas, Aqua and Axel show the tendancy to have hearts). They want to belong to someone or somewhere. What I mean is that a Heart without Soul or Body could be (most likely) depressed, lonely and lost (a lost heart :O), Xemnas shows anger. That is a feeling, frustration is a feeling, etc. etc. Naminé shows feelings and so on and so on, how can an emotionless being feel anything? I would say that they ARE hearts. Roxas isn't a Nobody, he is Ven's heart! "What have you done to his heart!?" - Terra to Xehanort about Ven. What if Xehanort steals Ven's heart, something happens between Terra and Xehanort (kills each other? their energies merge? split into Ansem and Xemnas?)? Into Sora in that case, creating Roxas. Appearantly some people are able to steal hearts as well (Malecifant, Chain of Memories, Belle's heart... I read she was an important figure in Birth by Sleep, wink wink). I believe that when Sora holds Kairi's heart, and becomes a heartless, Naminé is created. Kairi's Nobody (I believe Aqua and Kairi has as much connection as Riku and Terra. Kairi is a Princess of Hearts. I doubt Aqua is one. And being a Princess of Hearts is a big thing). | ||
"Aqua's armor and Keyblade were briefly seen in Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+" - quote from this website, Aqua was killed? She became a heartless and a Nobody? I don't know. But some thing seem to point towards that eh? And doesn't Xion say "I am fading" in one of the latest scans? Could it be because she has no one to belong to anymore? Complicated idea: Sora holds Ven's heart (Roxas), Sora holds Kairi's heart (Naminé), if Ven's heart held Aqua's heart (Xion) in his own heart (Roxas) then when Roxas is projected into Sora, that means Xion would be projected into Sora as well. When Roxas is released, so would Xion too. Roxas has someone to belong to, but Aqua is gone, and that is the reason for Xion's fading. | "Aqua's armor and Keyblade were briefly seen in Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+" - quote from this website, Aqua was killed? She became a heartless and a Nobody? I don't know. But some thing seem to point towards that eh? And doesn't Xion say "I am fading" in one of the latest scans? Could it be because she has no one to belong to anymore? Complicated idea: Sora holds Ven's heart (Roxas), Sora holds Kairi's heart (Naminé), if Ven's heart held Aqua's heart (Xion) in his own heart (Roxas) then when Roxas is projected into Sora, that means Xion would be projected into Sora as well. When Roxas is released, so would Xion too. Roxas has someone to belong to, but Aqua is gone, and that is the reason for Xion's fading. | ||
An argument that strengthens the theory of Roxas being Ven's heart is that... Sora holds Kairi's heart. That means that hearts CAN change owner. We know that Kairi goes through some sort of traumatic stuff at Destiny Islands (KH1), it seems hearts has a will of their own and a survival instinct. When Kairi goes through the trauma, the heart escaped to Sora (as it will be most protected there). And why is Naminé most certainly Kairi's heart (and not Xion), err Nobody? Because when Sora gets to the Mansion in Twilight Town (CoM) he gets "nostalgic". Why? Because Naminé was a part of Sora's body once. And if I do not remember completely wrong, Kairi does not remember Sora fully until Naminé and Kairi meet again (KH2). But then we have the next problematics with this theory, if Roxas is Ven's heart, why does Naminé and Roxas seem to have connections? Roxas is Sora's heart to Naminé/Kairi (it is the only heart Kairi has known Sora to have), she recognizes this. That is what I believe. Xion is attracted to Roxas because it is Ven's heart. Naminé is attracted to Roxas because it is Sora's heart as well. This theory is based to rid Xion from being Kairi's Nobody (I couldn't take it, Kairi is too cute to have two cute Nobody's! =P), Aqua has abilities and can wield a keyblade, Kairi has none of it even though Naminé is Kairi's Nobody. On the other hand, if Xion were inside Sora... doesn't that explain why he can use magic? Everything else in this theory is just filler really. But I do believe Roxas is Ven's heart. Or Roxas is a merge of Sora's true heart (his true Nobody) AND Ven's heart. Just like Xemnas could be a merged Nobody of Terra and Xehanort [[User:Osvir|Osvir]] December 11 2008 (EET) EDIT: [[User:Osvir|Osvir]] 14:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | An argument that strengthens the theory of Roxas being Ven's heart is that... Sora holds Kairi's heart. That means that hearts CAN change owner. We know that Kairi goes through some sort of traumatic stuff at Destiny Islands (KH1), it seems hearts has a will of their own and a survival instinct. When Kairi goes through the trauma, the heart escaped to Sora (as it will be most protected there). And why is Naminé most certainly Kairi's heart (and not Xion), err Nobody? Because when Sora gets to the Mansion in Twilight Town (CoM) he gets "nostalgic". Why? Because Naminé was a part of Sora's body once. And if I do not remember completely wrong, Kairi does not remember Sora fully until Naminé and Kairi meet again (KH2). But then we have the next problematics with this theory, if Roxas is Ven's heart, why does Naminé and Roxas seem to have connections? Roxas is Sora's heart to Naminé/Kairi (it is the only heart Kairi has known Sora to have), she recognizes this. That is what I believe. Xion is attracted to Roxas because it is Ven's heart. Naminé is attracted to Roxas because it is Sora's heart as well. This theory is based to rid Xion from being Kairi's Nobody (I couldn't take it, Kairi is too cute to have two cute Nobody's! =P), Aqua has abilities and can wield a keyblade, Kairi has none of it even though Naminé is Kairi's Nobody. On the other hand, if Xion were inside Sora... doesn't that explain why he can use magic? Everything else in this theory is just filler really. But I do believe Roxas is Ven's heart. Or Roxas is a merge of Sora's true heart (his true Nobody) AND Ven's heart. Just like Xemnas could be a merged Nobody of Terra and Xehanort [[User:Osvir|Osvir]] December 11 2008 (EET) EDIT: [[User:Osvir|Osvir]] 14:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
Is it possible that Ven's heart was put into Sora's body at the end of birth by sleep and merged with Sora's heart? [[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] 16:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | Is it possible that Ven's heart was put into Sora's body at the end of birth by sleep and merged with Sora's heart? [[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] 16:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
Well, it is not an impossible speculation ^^ but I am still wondering what happens to Aqua, what with her armor and keyblade in Final Mix+. What if she tries to save Ven's heart by sacrificing her own heart? That is perhaps more likely than what I presented above (though outcome the same) I also forgot to say that Xion appears about the same time as Roxas (in Days, the scans seem to present it like that). Doesn't she? That's why I think she existed within Sora [[User:Osvir|Osvir]] 18:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
{{Summon:WALL•E|text= O_O That was a mouthful, Osvir... But I think I get what you are saying. Personally, I don't think Nomura is going to relate Days with BBS, with the possible exception that Roxas is Ven. However, that's just what I think will happen. So, it's very possible that your theory is correct. I guess we'll just have to wait and see once Days is released. | {{Summon:WALL•E|text= O_O That was a mouthful, Osvir... But I think I get what you are saying. Personally, I don't think Nomura is going to relate Days with BBS, with the possible exception that Roxas is Ven. However, that's just what I think will happen. So, it's very possible that your theory is correct. I guess we'll just have to wait and see once Days is released. | ||
Something else I wanted to point out. Roxas-rules, you and I seem to have theories very similar, except our theories about when and how Xion/Namine were created are reversed. My reasoning to think that Namine was created before Xion (i.e. Kairi's heart going to Sora's body) is that Xion was identified as Number XIV. Since these numbers show when the nobodies joined the Organization, Xion would have had to join after Roxas. However, that doesn't rule out the fact that she could have been created and not joined Org XIII. So you still could be right.}} | Something else I wanted to point out. Roxas-rules, you and I seem to have theories very similar, except our theories about when and how Xion/Namine were created are reversed. My reasoning to think that Namine was created before Xion (i.e. Kairi's heart going to Sora's body) is that Xion was identified as Number XIV. Since these numbers show when the nobodies joined the Organization, Xion would have had to join after Roxas. However, that doesn't rule out the fact that she could have been created and not joined Org XIII. So you still could be right.}} | ||
