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==Initial vote==
==Initial vote==
'''THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29'''
'''THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29'''
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::::::::::::Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I didn't know the vote was for where to move to, so I'm in. Unless it is to revote for moving or not. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:22, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I didn't know the vote was for where to move to, so I'm in. Unless it is to revote for moving or not. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:22, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Nope, just for where to move to. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 00:26, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Nope, just for where to move to. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 00:26, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123
So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123
:It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like:  
:It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like:  
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{{Bluer|15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.}}
{{Bluer|15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.}}
{{Lapidoth|text=Oh, that makes sense.}}
{{Lapidoth|text=Oh, that makes sense.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as [[wikia:fialfactasy:Dead Fantasy|Dead Fantasy]] and [[finalfantasy:Dion Rogers' Rinoa|Dion Rogers' Rinoa]]?}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as [[w:c:fialfactasy:Dead Fantasy|Dead Fantasy]] and [[w:c:finalfantasy:Dion Rogers' Rinoa|Dion Rogers' Rinoa]]?}}
{{Bluer|15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".}}
{{Bluer|15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?}}
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{{Lapidoth|text=If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?}}
{{Lapidoth|text=If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?}}
:Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
:Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
::About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - [[wikia:kingdomheartsfanon:Avastar: Kingdom Hearts|Avastar: Kingdom Hearts]], for example. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
::About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - [[w:c:kingdomheartsfanon:Avastar: Kingdom Hearts|Avastar: Kingdom Hearts]], for example. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
{{SC|time=16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis? <!-- Is my story topnotch, maggosh? :3 -->}}
{{SC|time=16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis? <!-- Is my story topnotch, maggosh? :3 -->}}
{{Bluer|16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow<!-- damn it --> so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.}}
{{Bluer|16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow<!-- damn it --> so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.}}
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KKD also brings up a good point.}}
KKD also brings up a good point.}}


Okay, I looked at the [[wikia:Community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance/linkdatabase|Anti-Wikia Alliance database]] and Kingdom Hearts Wiki isn't up there. Don't we need to register to the Anti-Wikia Alliance to move? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:35, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I looked at the [[w:c:Community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance/linkdatabase|Anti-Wikia Alliance database]] and Kingdom Hearts Wiki isn't up there. Don't we need to register to the Anti-Wikia Alliance to move? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:35, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


{{Chitalian8|time=23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.}}
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Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


:That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
:That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


The thing is, they're not changing the core issues, like the reduced width, as well as the adjusted galleries. This isn't about getting used to, it's about actually making the wiki look like crap. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:29, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
The thing is, they're not changing the core issues, like the reduced width, as well as the adjusted galleries. This isn't about getting used to, it's about actually making the wiki look like crap. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:29, November 8, 2010 (UTC)




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:Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=143.0 see this]. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC).
:Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=143.0 see this]. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC).


Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco.  Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time.  {{The Inexistentsig}}
Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco.  Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time.  {{The Inexistentsig}}
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Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"?  '''We are not official in any way'''.  Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia.  {{The Inexistentsig}}
Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"?  '''We are not official in any way'''.  Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia.  {{The Inexistentsig}}


{{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Okay, so, because the re-vote was denied, what's the current status of the move? I see we're still stuck on whether to fanon-ize this site or not. I personally think that's not as important as where we're going and when that's going to happen (obviously the how has been discussed, but if anyone wants to paraphrase that as well, by all means I won't stop you).}}
{{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=Okay, so, because the re-vote was denied, what's the current status of the move? I see we're still stuck on whether to fanon-ize this site or not. I personally think that's not as important as where we're going and when that's going to happen (obviously the how has been discussed, but if anyone wants to paraphrase that as well, by all means I won't stop you).}}
{{LA|Vtext=Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it.
{{LA|Vtext=Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it.


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:Thanks, that clears it up. I'll keep an eye out and watch for the revote. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 04:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks, that clears it up. I'll keep an eye out and watch for the revote. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 04:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 04:42, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=You're welcome. And happy to help.}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 04:42, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=You're welcome. And happy to help.}}
:I have one other question - once the move happens, what happens to the content that's at this address? I mean, obviously, if we're moving, then that would mean something goes from here to somewhere else. So does everything on here just get deleted, at which point the address kingdomhearts.wikia.com becomes an empty shell, ready for someone else to swoop in, should they decide that they want to be the one to host the Wiki for ''[[Kingdom Hearts (series)|Kingdom Hearts]]'' on Wikia? [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 11:05, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
:I have one other question - once the move happens, what happens to the content that's at this address? I mean, obviously, if we're moving, then that would mean something goes from here to somewhere else. So does everything on here just get deleted, at which point the address kingdomhearts.wikia.com becomes an empty shell, ready for someone else to swoop in, should they decide that they want to be the one to host the Wiki for ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' on Wikia? [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 11:05, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 17:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is this wiki will still remain as is - minus a active community to keep it up. One could, in theory delete all the pages in the wiki, but Wikia may catch wind of it and then do what they can to stop it. [http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:We're_merging_with_Lylat_Wiki!_All_users_report!#Note_from_Wikia Look here], where Wikia tells another wiki that the Wikia Wiki will "remain open for whoever decides to remain."}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 17:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is this wiki will still remain as is - minus a active community to keep it up. One could, in theory delete all the pages in the wiki, but Wikia may catch wind of it and then do what they can to stop it. [http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:We're_merging_with_Lylat_Wiki!_All_users_report!#Note_from_Wikia Look here], where Wikia tells another wiki that the Wikia Wiki will "remain open for whoever decides to remain."}}
:I see. Well, in that case, it seems to me that someone who's perfectly fine with the layout as is could easily request adminship from Wikia and maintain a Wiki at this address. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 17:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
:I see. Well, in that case, it seems to me that someone who's perfectly fine with the layout as is could easily request adminship from Wikia and maintain a Wiki at this address. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 17:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
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{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=SEIWA isn't official Square Enix Anything. It is, or plans to be, a group of Wiki's Focused on Square Enix Wiki's, that help and support each other in terms of Edits, content templates, etc. as well as any wiki that comes looking for help. These wiki's are independent of any Wiki farms, either through donations, beneactors, or ads. See [[Forum:Square_Enix_Portal]] for more details. }}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=SEIWA isn't official Square Enix Anything. It is, or plans to be, a group of Wiki's Focused on Square Enix Wiki's, that help and support each other in terms of Edits, content templates, etc. as well as any wiki that comes looking for help. These wiki's are independent of any Wiki farms, either through donations, beneactors, or ads. See [[Forum:Square_Enix_Portal]] for more details. }}


{{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Kryten, who still has not posted that they want a re-vote? Unless I'm mistaken, everyone's put their name down...}}
{{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=Kryten, who still has not posted that they want a re-vote? Unless I'm mistaken, everyone's put their name down...}}


{{ST|text=Everyone except for JFHavoc, LightRoxas, Riku's Love, ShardofTruth, and SilverCrono}}
{{ST|text=Everyone except for JFHavoc, LightRoxas, Riku's Love, ShardofTruth, and SilverCrono}}
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{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 20:02, December 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Eh, i still not sure on the accuracy of the information under the options.}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 20:02, December 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Eh, i still not sure on the accuracy of the information under the options.}}
{{Soxra|xmas=Actually I'm thinking that it's just about ready to vote, in all honesty. Bud, which information are you unsure of?|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 02:51, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Soxra|xmas=Actually I'm thinking that it's just about ready to vote, in all honesty. Bud, which information are you unsure of?|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 02:51, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:39, December 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Well, for one thing, it says "Allows the same as SEIWA." under Wikkii. Wikkii is a wiki farm, so it wouldn't "Independent". Unless you go with the advanced hosting. Then i'd be worrying about the fine print. And i would worry about them pulling another wikia.
Also, in the SEIWA / Kingdom Hearts DB option, the owner has a lot to loose if he becomes a despot; a lot more to loose than any wiki-farm that is. So, i am not sure it would be an issue.}}
{{Soxra|ienzo=That's probably true. I'm not sure what exactly that was supposed to mean, unless it is saying that we get the same freedom (in terms of themes, privacy control, data management rights, and so on).
It is doubtful the owner of SEIWA would become a despot, however it's just a possibility we have to keep in mind.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 05:26, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 06:29, December 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Sorry, i wasn't clear; I am re-reading it now, and i see where the problem was; Wikkii is a wiki farm. It has a [http://wikkii.com/wiki/Advanced_Hosting advanced hosting option], that if you take, is similar to the guy who owns DB is offering.
However, unlike the DB Guy, Wikkii has a lot less to loss, should they pull a wikia.
Is this better? }}
Another reason to speed up the revote: The new template viewing system that just got rolled out has made it so that talk bubbles pop in and out of view, unless you click a button. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 22:52, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
{{Soxra|mad=Wow... yeah. Oasis is hanging Internet Explorer too (I use Chrome mostly, but I use IE for testing the Oasis skin on my profile and such).
It's time to break the mould. Let's revote.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 22:59, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 06:14, December 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Sounds good. Out of curiosity, Was my second attempt at an explanation, any good?}}
{{Soxra|text=Yes. That's actually a better way of highlighting the 'government' of one option versus the other.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 17:51, December 9, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 19:18, December 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Cool. Now, my next question. What are the minimum requirements of voting?}}
{{Soxra|ienzo=I'll leave Kryten (or another admin) to confirm this, but I believe all will be allowed to vote in the new vote. It shouldn't just be restricted to high edit counts or to people who voted last time; we want as accurate of a cross-section of our community as we can get.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 20:23, December 9, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=00:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)|basic=come on already! geez i CANNOT wait for this to be ready! sigh. I sure hope we'll get to vote before the new year! :D I'm not sure how much information we need but it alls seems good enough don't ya think?}}
{{Soxra|ienzo=Yup. =\|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 19:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Keyblade0|time=18:31, December 12, 2010 (UTC)|happy=I hope we can start soon. If they wait any longer, we'll have to do the revote next year! Also, shouldn't someone archive most of this page, or start a new forum? This page is getting longer by the day.}}
{{LightRoxas|axel=Ok, seriously, how much longer are we gonna wait?! The last post here was from mid-December, and we haven't heard anything on the move since then, except people saying January is our last month on this wiki. What are we even waiting for?}}

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