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==Initial vote== | ==Initial vote== | ||
'''THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29''' | '''THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29''' | ||
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*{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:04, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | *{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:04, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*[[User:LightoftheDarkness|LightoftheDarkness]] 00:48, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | *[[User:LightoftheDarkness|LightoftheDarkness]] 00:48, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
* | *LightRoxas | ||
*[[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC) | *[[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*--[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 22:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)Master Vantius | *--[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 22:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)Master Vantius | ||
*[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 16:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | *[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 16:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 00:20, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | *--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 00:20, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
* | *Riku's Love | ||
*[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC) | *[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*[[User:Sephiroth0812|Sephiroth0812]] 20:03, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | *[[User:Sephiroth0812|Sephiroth0812]] 20:03, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::::::::::::Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::::::Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::::I didn't know the vote was for where to move to, so I'm in. Unless it is to revote for moving or not. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:22, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | :::::::::::::I didn't know the vote was for where to move to, so I'm in. Unless it is to revote for moving or not. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:22, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::::::Nope, just for where to move to. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[ | ::::::::::::::Nope, just for where to move to. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 00:26, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123 | So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123 | ||
:It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like: | :It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like: | ||
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Okay, BIG problem. Riku's Love said on Nov. 14 that she would be gone for two weeks. {{The Inexistentsig}} | Okay, BIG problem. Riku's Love said on Nov. 14 that she would be gone for two weeks. {{The Inexistentsig}} | ||
:Oh, damn that is a problem, and of course she's one of the last ones who hasn't signed yet--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 23:08, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | :Oh, damn that is a problem, and of course she's one of the last ones who hasn't signed yet--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 23:08, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Of What Remains== | ==Of What Remains== | ||
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{{Bluer|15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.}} | {{Bluer|15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.}} | ||
{{Lapidoth|text=Oh, that makes sense.}} | {{Lapidoth|text=Oh, that makes sense.}} | ||
{{Maggosh|nathan=So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as [[ | {{Maggosh|nathan=So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as [[w:c:fialfactasy:Dead Fantasy|Dead Fantasy]] and [[w:c:finalfantasy:Dion Rogers' Rinoa|Dion Rogers' Rinoa]]?}} | ||
{{Bluer|15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".}} | {{Bluer|15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".}} | ||
{{Maggosh|nathan=Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?}} | {{Maggosh|nathan=Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?}} | ||
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{{Lapidoth|text=If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?}} | {{Lapidoth|text=If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?}} | ||
:Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | :Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - [[ | ::About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - [[w:c:kingdomheartsfanon:Avastar: Kingdom Hearts|Avastar: Kingdom Hearts]], for example. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{SC|time=16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis? <!-- Is my story topnotch, maggosh? :3 -->}} | {{SC|time=16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis? <!-- Is my story topnotch, maggosh? :3 -->}} | ||
{{Bluer|16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow<!-- damn it --> so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.}} | {{Bluer|16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow<!-- damn it --> so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.}} | ||
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KKD also brings up a good point.}} | KKD also brings up a good point.}} | ||
Okay, I looked at the [[ | Okay, I looked at the [[w:c:Community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance/linkdatabase|Anti-Wikia Alliance database]] and Kingdom Hearts Wiki isn't up there. Don't we need to register to the Anti-Wikia Alliance to move? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:35, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Chitalian8|time=23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.}} | {{Chitalian8|time=23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.}} | ||
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Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[ | ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | :That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
The thing is, they're not changing the core issues, like the reduced width, as well as the adjusted galleries. This isn't about getting used to, it's about actually making the wiki look like crap. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[ | The thing is, they're not changing the core issues, like the reduced width, as well as the adjusted galleries. This isn't about getting used to, it's about actually making the wiki look like crap. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:29, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=143.0 see this]. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC). | :Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=143.0 see this]. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC). | ||
Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[ | Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco. Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time. {{The Inexistentsig}} | Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco. Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time. {{The Inexistentsig}} | ||
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Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"? '''We are not official in any way'''. Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia. {{The Inexistentsig}} | Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"? '''We are not official in any way'''. Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia. {{The Inexistentsig}} | ||
{{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)| | {{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=Okay, so, because the re-vote was denied, what's the current status of the move? I see we're still stuck on whether to fanon-ize this site or not. I personally think that's not as important as where we're going and when that's going to happen (obviously the how has been discussed, but if anyone wants to paraphrase that as well, by all means I won't stop you).}} | ||
{{LA|Vtext=Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it. | {{LA|Vtext=Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it. | ||
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:Thanks, that clears it up. I'll keep an eye out and watch for the revote. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 04:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC) | :Thanks, that clears it up. I'll keep an eye out and watch for the revote. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 04:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 04:42, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=You're welcome. And happy to help.}} | {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 04:42, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=You're welcome. And happy to help.}} | ||
:I have one other question - once the move happens, what happens to the content that's at this address? I mean, obviously, if we're moving, then that would mean something goes from here to somewhere else. So does everything on here just get deleted, at which point the address kingdomhearts.wikia.com becomes an empty shell, ready for someone else to swoop in, should they decide that they want to be the one to host the Wiki for ''[[ | :I have one other question - once the move happens, what happens to the content that's at this address? I mean, obviously, if we're moving, then that would mean something goes from here to somewhere else. So does everything on here just get deleted, at which point the address kingdomhearts.wikia.com becomes an empty shell, ready for someone else to swoop in, should they decide that they want to be the one to host the Wiki for ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' on Wikia? [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 11:05, November 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 17:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is this wiki will still remain as is - minus a active community to keep it up. One could, in theory delete all the pages in the wiki, but Wikia may catch wind of it and then do what they can to stop it. [http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:We're_merging_with_Lylat_Wiki!_All_users_report!#Note_from_Wikia Look here], where Wikia tells another wiki that the Wikia Wiki will "remain open for whoever decides to remain."}} | {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 17:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is this wiki will still remain as is - minus a active community to keep it up. One could, in theory delete all the pages in the wiki, but Wikia may catch wind of it and then do what they can to stop it. [http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:We're_merging_with_Lylat_Wiki!_All_users_report!#Note_from_Wikia Look here], where Wikia tells another wiki that the Wikia Wiki will "remain open for whoever decides to remain."}} | ||
:I see. Well, in that case, it seems to me that someone who's perfectly fine with the layout as is could easily request adminship from Wikia and maintain a Wiki at this address. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 17:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC) | :I see. Well, in that case, it seems to me that someone who's perfectly fine with the layout as is could easily request adminship from Wikia and maintain a Wiki at this address. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 17:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=SEIWA isn't official Square Enix Anything. It is, or plans to be, a group of Wiki's Focused on Square Enix Wiki's, that help and support each other in terms of Edits, content templates, etc. as well as any wiki that comes looking for help. These wiki's are independent of any Wiki farms, either through donations, beneactors, or ads. See [[Forum:Square_Enix_Portal]] for more details. }} | {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=SEIWA isn't official Square Enix Anything. It is, or plans to be, a group of Wiki's Focused on Square Enix Wiki's, that help and support each other in terms of Edits, content templates, etc. as well as any wiki that comes looking for help. These wiki's are independent of any Wiki farms, either through donations, beneactors, or ads. See [[Forum:Square_Enix_Portal]] for more details. }} | ||
{{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 18, 2010 (UTC)| | {{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=Kryten, who still has not posted that they want a re-vote? Unless I'm mistaken, everyone's put their name down...}} | ||
{{ST|text=Everyone except for JFHavoc, LightRoxas, Riku's Love, ShardofTruth, and SilverCrono}} | {{ST|text=Everyone except for JFHavoc, LightRoxas, Riku's Love, ShardofTruth, and SilverCrono}} | ||
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{{JFHavoc|time=16:10, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=There we go. If Lapis hadn't messaged me I probably would've forgotten about the whole thing.}} | {{JFHavoc|time=16:10, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=There we go. If Lapis hadn't messaged me I probably would've forgotten about the whole thing.}} | ||
{{LA|Vtext=Okay, I just asked a user on the IRC who is a personal friend of Riku'sLove to ask her about her opinions on the SEIWA. Apparently, RL is grounded for two weeks and cannot get to a computer. We talked about it on the IRC, but I forgot to log the conversation, as I was in a hurry when I was leaving. Anyway, [[User talk:LegoAlchemist#Hello|here]] is the message, with conformation of her consent. Can we consider this official, or should we get it from Riku's mouth directly?}} | {{LA|Vtext=Okay, I just asked a user on the IRC who is a personal friend of Riku'sLove to ask her about her opinions on the SEIWA. Apparently, RL is grounded for two weeks and cannot get to a computer. We talked about it on the IRC, but I forgot to log the conversation, as I was in a hurry when I was leaving. Anyway, [[User talk:LegoAlchemist#Hello|here]] is the message, with conformation of her consent. Can we consider this official, or should we get it from Riku's mouth directly?}} | ||
