Editing Forum:Visual changes proposal

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Okay, so I created this forum for us, mostly (but not limited to) me and Soxra, to suggest aesthetic changes to the content of this wiki. So, if you have suggestions, feel free to share them here, and please, follow the format.

==Thumbnails Frames [implemented]==
{{Dark-EnigmaXIII|time=04:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|text2=Browsing our articles, I realized that the images to further ilustrates subjects and situations in the story sections and the others... didnt really catch the eye, and as such, they didnt really illustrate the subjects. Besides, they are plain boring, so I think a nice, color frame around them will make them look more appealing to the eye. Below are some examples:

;No frame (Current)

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Dark-EnigmaXIII/Noframe.jpg

;Frame (My suggestion)

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Dark-EnigmaXIII/Frame.jpg

Note that the color used can be freely customized so it's not bound to be that shade of blue I have in my custom .css. What do you guys think?}}

===Discussion===
{{Uxie|time=09:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|angela=(Like my new box? Hikari made it for me) Well, if Bulbapedia can change colors for boxes and such, many wikis can, including us.}}
{{ShardofTruth|time=14:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|talk=I like it, especially the curves. Maybe we could adjust the color to the new design (and by that I don't mean pink).}}
{{17m|time=15:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|BeatHappy=Oh gog rounded edge.

17 approves.}}
{{Pea14733|time=17:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|mrhlol= Nice idea, DE. :D}}

{{ST|text=I like it}}

{{Chitalian8|time=21:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|nekuhappy= This frame, I like it. ANOTHER.}}

Eh, I prefer the one we're currently using. The other would make it look less organized. But, I haven't seen it being used in any articles yet so I can't say for sure if it would look bad or not. Maybe it would look good, also depending on which color we would chose. But for now I'm still saying no this until I see it in action. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 21:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

:In response to your doubts, JTD95, no, the frames do not collide with the content and do not make it look chaotic, as you can see [http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Dark-EnigmaXIII/Framesinuse.jpg Here]. Since the general consensus seem to be that this change is liked, all that remains is to decide in a color before I can apply it.--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 22:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
{{EO|time=22:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|text=All for it!}}
{{UnknownChaser|time=00:27, 31 January 2012 (UTC)|JinTalk=Aye, looks awesome, lets do it.}}
{{LightRoxas|dwarf=I don't have a problem with the color you have there, to be honest. <small><small>but orange is my favorite color...</small></small>}}
{{SidTalk|time=19:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)|Roxas= I like it, and since you can change the colours, it should be pretty damn good. }}
{{Uxie|time=05:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|luna=Question: Is it possible to change colors for certain pages?}}
:Nope. {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 06:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{Uxie|time=06:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|zoe=That's alright then. However, the text should be in a dark color, since I cannot read the infomation written in the boxes. Take a look at my [[User:UxieLover1994/Legado|Legado]], for example.}}
:Huh? The boxes are dark purple. If it was black, you wouldn't be able to read it. Perhaps provide a screenshot so I can see exactly how it's unreadable? {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 06:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{Uxie|time=06:40, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|text=Purple? It's white on my computer.

[http://s1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb415/GastrodonAmy/?action=view&current=KHWikiPicUL4.jpg Click here and see]. Please note that it's to only be online for 48 hours.}}
:Ergh, my oversight. Should work fine now, once your cache decides it wants to be nice. You should upgrade your browser sometime soon, though... ^^ {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 07:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

==Category Bar + Input Buttons [implemented]==
{{Soxra|admin=
On the same ideas as above, the category bar the bottom of each article, as well as the input buttons (such as "Go" and "Search") are rather flat and boring. (I group these together because the proposed style for both is rather similar.)

;Current (browser-dependent)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1103/oldbuttons.png

;Proposed

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/111/newbuttons.png

Again, keep in mind that we are not bound by color here. Any color can be used, I've just used grey for the sake of simplicity.
|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 04:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{ShardofTruth|time=14:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|talk=This looks really good.}}
{{17m|time=15:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|BeatHappy= Same as above, I really like these two ideas.}}
{{Pea14733|time=17:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|mrhlol= These ideas are heavenly. :3
PS. Why should we have two discussion sections?}}
{{Soxra|text=The ideas will be posted one-after-another. These two are just a start, so every idea will have a separate discussion section.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 17:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=I'm just gonna say I approve of both ideas. These will really help make the wiki more polished.}}
{{ST|text=stylish, i like it}}
{{LightRoxas|dwarf=Me gusta! These are fantastic ideas and only help me be further thankful we've got you two working for us!}}

{{Asif|shonormal=Alright, Soxra's Monobook mod, which contains both of these ideas, has been out for a while. I like just about everything about it, except:

*Can you change the colors of basically everything to pink?
*The body font looks really awkward in Arial next to the new header font. The same font is used for the sidebar, where it looks great. Would you mind implementing that font in the body text as well?

That's it. Really, amazing job, Soxra.}}
{{EO|time=22:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)|text=Fail to see why everything needs to have a rounded edge...categories don't need to look flashy...it's the contents of the article that are important.}}
{{Soxra|text=@ENX: If you want to attract all varieties of users, it has to look visually appealing. That's a given.

@As If: That's because the CSS you're using is my ''personal'' CSS. It uses fonts of mine, images of mine, etc. Don't expect the full experience.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 23:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)}}
{{UnknownChaser|time=00:27, 31 January 2012 (UTC)|JinTalk=Aye, looks awesome I'm all for it. <s>But why no triangle edges? What type of triangles discrimination is this?</s>}}
{{LA|Vtext=These actually look amazing. I think the default gallery box color should be dark purple, to match our theme.}}
{{SidTalk|time=19:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)|Roxas= I like it, because it's clearer and more appealing. }}
{{KrytenKoro|These look good, but is it possible to make the colors more contrasting for users who might have weaker eyes?}}

== SEIWA Template ==
{{maggosh|nathan=An idea I came up with and emulated from the [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Valve_Wiki_Network Valve Wiki Network] template. Erry assisted me in its aesthetics. 

;Current
http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae93/maggosh/SEIWAOld.png

;Proposed
http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae93/maggosh/SEIWANew.png}}

===Discussion===
{{SidTalk|time=19:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)|Roxas= I like it, it's a really good idea, but where would this template go (on the main page, where, I mean) }}
I personally think in its current state at the very bottom, rather than a window {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:22, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

{{neumannz|time=20:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)|text=The Chrono Wiki logo needs to stand out more from the background. Maybe a white highlight border?}}
{{EO|time=01:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=Looks good, but the tops of the letters in "SEIWA" get lost against the background, and in my personal opinion, the text underneath the SEIWA logo is a tad hard to see. Other than that, looks great!}}
{{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal=The background should be recolored, maybe to magenta or something pink-ish to fit KH3D theme while making the wikis's logos clearly visible.}}
==Nav Bars==
{{Soxra|admin=
The navigation bars, however consistent they are, use outdated and squared formatting which do not go with the rest of the site. Additionally, their current formatting only displays correctly for Firefox users. A new look will brighten the footer of the article and let users enjoy the transitions between pages.

;Old:
:[http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7214/navbarold.png]
;New:
:[http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/973/navbarnew.png]
|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{EO|time=01:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=The rounded edges are growing on me...but I still think the templates themselves are tad bit "boring" to look at. Any way they can be "jazzed up" without totally ruining their purpose/formatting? Could they possibly look more ''Kingdom Hearts''-y?}}
{{FinalRest|time=08:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|normal=I personally prefer the corners to the rounded edges because the way the round edges curve around the [show] button bugs me. I also agree with EO in saying that I reckon they could be jazzed up a bit. I like the brighter colors of the current ones a lot more, but I'm still not crazy about them. I dunno.... Oh, I do prefer the borders on the rounded ones better too.}}
{{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal=I think the colors need to be brighter, like the old NavBars.

...I think I'm basically suggesting a rounded-edge version of the current NavBar}}

3D and KH need to retain their colors, magenta-pink and deep dark blue respectively. Days needs to be a bit darker and redder. Birth by Sleep needs to be lighter and it's good to go. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

==Header Templates==
{{Soxra|admin=
The header templates are nicely colored and have good images, but could be more representative of what they signify: attention-getters. In order to get the most people to contribute to the articles, they not only have to be aware that changes are required, but what they should be changing. Colorful and list-oriented templates will help with this.

;Old:
:[http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7274/headerold.png]
;New:
:[http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5831/headernewgd.png]
|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{EO|time=01:09, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=Interesting...good work on these, Soxra! However, I am NOT a fan of using such tiny images (I understand they are larger images resized to fit the template). It should be the talk bubble images or nothing in my opinion.}}
{{ST|text=Very nice, it seems very updated, i like}}

@ENX: Of course not. We used those tiny images in the keyhole in order not to imitate the talk bubble sprite idea that it was beign used here. The image this time can be whatever you guys want.--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 02:03, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

{{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatHappy=I love this one.}}
These should be certain emblems in the game, like Nobody, Dream Eater, etc. if we're to change to your new ones. Otherwise they become what ENX is suggesting. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|Honestly, I've been trying to move these to the talk pages, because they are so big that you often can't see the actual content of the page without scrolling down...Perhaps we could work on one unified "checklist" template that allowed editors to list all the issues without having to add multiple templates?

Also, notices that are semi-permanent and do not indicate problems with the page, such as translation, canon, or spoiler, should be the slim one-line ones.

The colored background is definitely a plus, though, to keep it from blending in. It's just so large that it actually hurts the page, is the problem.}}

==Infoboxes==
{{Soxra|admin=
The infoboxes are very well functional but full of code that bogs down the loading of pages and they look a bit widened and bulky at times. To trim them down, we can slim the size, padding, and adjust the colors of the templates to be more pleasing without losing functionality.

;Old:
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;New:
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|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{EO|time=01:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=Nothing much to say about this one...I'm all for it, but I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the black-on-green.}}
{{Asif|shohappy=Yes, definitely do this! Though I like the songs being under one tab better than in individual ones, though that may be just me.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=03:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|nekutalk= IMHO, I like that the songs are under different tabs, seems more organized to me.}}
The new one is gorgeous! But I think I have to agree with that it looks slightly better to have all the songs in one tab. -- [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 08:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal2=I like it. As for the songs, I thought we were going to make them more noticeable? Having them on a section like [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cecil_Harvey#Musical_Themes FFWiki's] is a good idea, I think.}}
I don't mind the color, music should be what we currently have. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:We can split the music off into a separate box if needed, but the image there was part of an initiative to draw the eye to the music section, as requested (though it was supposed to be replaced with a text image...). As for the foreign language links, those automatically create the links to the other wikis. If we want them to display as well, we can, but we need to preserve the interwiki functionality.
:Chitalian, the songs are already under different tabs, it's just that ''that'' is also collapsed so that the infobox isn't too long.
:Would it be better to move the songs to a separate tab, as we do with journal entries?
:Also, Soxra, can you adjust your code so that the black text is white (better contrast) and so that the borders don't show around the image tabs?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

==Quotes==
{{Soxra|admin=
This is a minor change; it simply helps draw the eye to the quote and makes it stand out from the rest of the text.

;Old:
:[http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/487/quoteold.png]
;New:
:[http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/2974/quotenew.png]
|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{Asif|shosad=Please, no. I really don't like this aesthetically. Yes, it does bring more focus to the quotes. However, I feel it looks quite tacky and unprofessional, regardless of how many other wikis use a similar template. I would rather you increased the size and color of the entire quote, rather than just the quotation marks. That would make it look less awkward.}}
{{EO|time=01:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=As it was just said, no, no, no, no, NO! Looks bloody awful to me. I personally find quotes are formatted just fine the way they are now and that they should not be changed...they are not what matter on an article to begin with (besides, we have the quotes pages to feature quotes now...no need to make an eyesore such as this appear in the main articles).}}

:Actually, guys, this would work really well here, since there's no width restriction as there was back in wikia. But, oh, well, let's hear other's opinion, too.--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 02:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{maggosh|nathan=How's about you shrink the quotation marks to about the size here: http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Heavy }}
{{Soxra|text=That's definitely a possibility, maggosh. You'd be in favor of it, if we did?|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 05:46, 2 February 2012 (UTC)}}
{{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal=I think the quotation marks are too big, it should be a bit bigger than what we have currently, but also smaller than the ones at Heavy's article over at TF2 wiki.}}
{{maggosh|nathan=Da, iz tea-time, doktor.}}
I don't mind the huge quotation marks. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

==Staff Member Template==
{{Soxra|admin=
Another small change, the little key that signifies a staff member isn't too bold; if we were to use different-colored crowns to represent staff instead, it would give their positions a more rewarding sheen.

;Old:
:[http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2770/staffold.png]
;New:
:[http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/3338/staffnew.png]
|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{EO|time=01:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=Not really a big fan of this one. It's sort of the reason why we never used Xemnas back when there were enough staffers for an Org. XIII theme...we don't want to suggest superiority and minority. Having a user say "Oh, he's only a silver crown, so he's probably worthless, whereas this guy has a gold one and is probably the ultimate existence on this Wiki" is not what we want here. At least there's a level of common ground between the staff by using the same template.}}

:The point for this at the Keyhole was mostly so it was know what kind of activities a staffer could do, so users could know who to ask each thing, like moving pictures or blocking vandals. There's the staff page for that, but some users dont bother in checking the link at the bottom of the Interaction segment in the sidebar. By no means is this a way of showing superiority.--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 02:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{Chitalian8|time=03:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|neku= I like that this one differentiates between the Mods and the Admins, seems nice, don't really  see too much of a problem with the "superiority" thing.}}
{{LightRoxas|text=Yeah, I don't really see it being a problem in terms of "Superiority" - it helps distinguish mods from admins, as Chit said.}}
I like it. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

==Utility Templates==
{{Soxra|admin=
The utility templates, such as [[Template:Youmay]], are a bit flowery and should be left-aligned. Using thick borders and dark colors helps draw the eye to its content and helps users find what they're looking for quickly and efficiently.

;Old:
:[http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7485/utilityold.png]
;New:
:[http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7373/utilitynew.png]
|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)}}

===Discussion===
{{EO|time=01:28, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=Meh, I prefer the first one because of the rounded edges, of all things. Remember, Soxra...just because a template looked good on the Keyhole, it doesn't necessarily mean it will still work the way it did here.}}
Templates that worked in the keyhole should work even better in an independent wiki when there are no limitations or restrictions by wikia, in all honesty.--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 02:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{LA|Vtext=I agree with ENX; I don't like the Keyhole's templates for this one, [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Mysterious_Figure <font color=purple>especially when they all pile up</font>]. The old one just looks... cleaner.}}

Try to pile up the current templates like that. There's not much of a difference, not to mention they wouldnt pile up this time due to the suite template--{{User:Dark-EnigmaXIII/Sig}} 04:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The current one looks better. It has nicer colors (perhaps it could be changed, I don't know), I prefer the round edges and the fact that the text is centered makes it look more independent from the rest of the article which doesn't have centered text. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 08:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
{{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal2=I like the current one we're having. maybe making it a big bigger to make it more noticeable (but the bright color should've done the job).}}

No, no, no... to the left-aligned part. What's the use of having the borders go all over the page if the text is going to be left-aligned? I like the idea, anyways, but the text should be centered, not left. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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 :Ergh, my oversight. Should work fine now, once your cache decides it wants to be nice. You should upgrade your browser sometime soon, though... ^^ {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 07:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
-Really not liking the color. It's too red, and it doesn't match anything in the theme. I suggest [[:wikipedia:Red-violet#Jazzberry_jam|Jazzberry Jam]] (#A50B5E) or something similar. Does that work? --{{User:As if!/Autosig}} 21:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{KrytenKoro|The color and text color need to be modified so that links are still visible. Blue on violet is difficult to see.}}
-{{LightRoxas|riku=I agree with Kryten, and I would like to suggest using straight up Red-Violet (#C71585) with links in Silver (#C0C0C0). That's just my personal taste, though, so I can set up a custom CSS if I get outvoted.}}
-{{Soxra|text=I've updated it, but I couldn't quickly find a page that has links in the thumbnails, so I wasn't able to see the result... should work, regardless, though.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 21:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)}}
-:Looks great, Sox. Thanks a lot. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 00:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 ==Category Bar + Input Buttons [implemented]==
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 {{SidTalk|time=19:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)|Roxas= I like it, because it's clearer and more appealing. }}
 {{KrytenKoro|These look good, but is it possible to make the colors more contrasting for users who might have weaker eyes?}}
-:Hm. I'll see what I can do... {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 04:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{Chitalian8|time=21:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)|nekusad= I'm on Firefox, and it doesn't seem to be showing up for me. Any way to change that?}}
-:@KK: That issue should be dealt with now. @Chit: Should be fixed also. {{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 23:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 == SEIWA Template ==
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 {{EO|time=01:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|thinking=Looks good, but the tops of the letters in "SEIWA" get lost against the background, and in my personal opinion, the text underneath the SEIWA logo is a tad hard to see. Other than that, looks great!}}
 {{17m|time=13:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal=The background should be recolored, maybe to magenta or something pink-ish to fit KH3D theme while making the wikis's logos clearly visible.}}
-{{maggosh|nathan=Added a white blur background to the Chrono logo.
-http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae93/maggosh/SEIWANew2.png}}
-{{TNE|time=13:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)|text=I approve of the logos and stuff (well done on the template idea!), but I agree with 17m in that the background ''should'' be recoloured. That black/grey gradient is terribly dark.}}
 ==Nav Bars==
 {{Soxra|admin=
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 The colored background is definitely a plus, though, to keep it from blending in. It's just so large that it actually hurts the page, is the problem.}}
-{{Soxra|happy=That. Is. A. Fantastic. Idea.
-I'm going to get started on the checklist concept right away.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 04:50, 3 February 2012 (UTC)}}
 ==Infoboxes==
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 :Would it be better to move the songs to a separate tab, as we do with journal entries?
 :Also, Soxra, can you adjust your code so that the black text is white (better contrast) and so that the borders don't show around the image tabs?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{17m|time=14:22, 3 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal2= I still like the idea of making a separate section, but I'm not against making a separate tab for it.}}
 ==Quotes==
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 {{maggosh|nathan=Da, iz tea-time, doktor.}}
 I don't mind the huge quotation marks. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{neumannz|time=06:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)|text= Setting the quotes apart is great and all, but the insanely oversized quotation marks are not nice to look at. The Team Fortress Wiki's ones are a better size. If we can maybe have a slightly colored background, that'd be great, too.}}
-No, it looks horrible, no matter what the size is (it doesn't look good on the Team Fortress Wiki either). Quotes are just a minor part of an article, their not all that important. You shouldn't put this much focus on the quotes. Making the quotes this noticeable is just disturbing for people when they're reading through the articles. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] 21:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{Maggosh|flint=Don't you dare talk smack about the TF Wiki.}}
-{{TNE|time=13:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)|blahtext=I disapprove. The bigger quotation marks look awkward. Granted, the current quote template is pretty basic, and care can be taken to highlight the main quote, but something else can be done... say, changes in the text formatting. The quotation marks should be proportionate in size to the text.}}
 ==Staff Member Template==
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 {{LightRoxas|text=Yeah, I don't really see it being a problem in terms of "Superiority" - it helps distinguish mods from admins, as Chit said.}}
 I like it. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{neumannz|time=06:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC)|text=I'm not against the crowns, but if we don't do that, why couldn't we just pretty up the keys? That might be better, considering crowns are already used elsewhere, like with featured articles/media.}}
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 No, no, no... to the left-aligned part. What's the use of having the borders go all over the page if the text is going to be left-aligned? I like the idea, anyways, but the text should be centered, not left. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
-{{neumannz|time=06:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)|text=I agree with Erry on this.}}
-==Additional update to thumbnail frames==
-{{TNE|time=13:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)|text=I quite like DE's suggestion for thumbnail frames, and I've got a question: now that image thumbnails have been rectified, what about the gallery?
-Now I'll acknowledge that the purpose of the thumbnail frames was to highlight the subject, so I agree that they must be bold and eye-catching. But I find the gallery image borders a bit unsightly (the usual boxy grey borders!). Please, if anyone would like to add on to my idea, do edit this section.
-EDIT 13:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC) : I'll post an image suggestion and ask if this is possible.
-EDIT 20:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC) : I haven't an idea for the visuals yet, but I've got two suggestions, feel free to side with either one or come up with new ideas:
-*'''Idea 1:''' Better-looking borders rather than the boxy ones that we currently have, full stop.
-*'''Idea 2:''' Better-looking borders rather than the boxy ones that we currently have; we can scroll right and left (to the next and previous images like you see on Flash galleries).
-I'll be honest, I'm not sure if Idea 2 can be coded, but now we have HTML5. We can always hope that something actually materialises.}}
-===Discussion===
-{{Uxie|time=13:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)|zoe=Like I said earlier: If Bulbapedia can change the colors for it's images and galleries, then so can many other non-Wikia wikis, including us.}}
-{{LightRoxas|lucky=Yeah, DE and Sox did such an awesome job on the thumbnails that now the galleries look even more bland just by comparison. So I'm all for some prettying up here, especially now that we have much more expansive gallery pages.}}
-{{Soxra|text=Idea 1 is fine, sprucing that up is no big deal. In terms of an actual full-out JS Slider (HTML5 is not an option without MediaWiki access; that would mean it would be entirely done by Porple, and I don't want to put this on him), it's an incredibly cumbersome code and too heavyweight for an encyclopedia. So I'd scrap idea 2, in all honesty.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 22:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)}}
-{{TNE|time=23:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)|text=Sounds fair. So we can definitely go with idea 1 — any ideas for what the gallery sections should look like?}}
-{{Asif|sho=Look at the thumbnails now. Imagine a box similar-looking to that in a light pink.. Add images in the box that grow in size when scrolled over. Now add a rounded caption box under each image in the purple of the thumbnails. That's what I think it should look like.}}
-{{Soxra|hood=I have to disagree on that one. I feel like that's just way too much, even in a light pink. It will detract from the photos. A grey-monochromatic background is going to be the best option (even if dark, though that probably wouldn't go well with the rest of the theme). I'd say we're best to leave the background color as it is, and stick to borders/shading.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=}} 01:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)}}