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I believe that Ventus is Roxas and Sora before they became a Heartless and Nobody if you think about it here is my theorie


Ventus Aquas and Terra were great friends and Xehanort was theyre enemy so here is what happened. Xehanort was not Xehanort but possessed by some dark being (Explaining why his Aprentice came from his body) this being has lived probably since before time and Xehanort is its name Terra I beleive becomes the new host for this being Aquas is born and becomes Kairi and Ven is born and becomes Sora sooooo I think that Ven and Aquas are unbirths (someone who has not yet been born)

One thing I don't get: Why does Ven, Terra, and Aqua have Keyblades? I thought incomplete beings can't get Keyblades unless they are connected to a Keyblade wielder. But in the trailer, Xenahort was called "Master". Which sounds like Xenahort could be their teacher. If this being is so powerful, why does it need to live in other beings? How come Riku doesn't have an Unbirth?  [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)  

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|text=You might be right. :) I mentioned this in the "A reason why Ven looks like Roxas" thread, and I'm mentioning it here again : they say Ven is an Unbirth, and that theory sounds quite convincing.

Because when I watched the Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep trailer yesterday, I noticed the last line - Ven was quoted saying something like "You're my friend, right ?.... Erase me" to Terra while they were on the Main Island (Destiny Islands).

Unbirths need to die, or be erased, for their human counterparts to live and thrive.

And then again, why the uncanny resemblance to Roxas ? To be honest, I don't know for sure, but I guess body and soul go together, don't they ?
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But what is an Unbirth? Someone that hasn't been born yet? so an Unbirth is a ghost? Like what Xenahort was in Kingdom Hearts? Personally, I think an Unbirth is what happens to the soul when the heart becomes a Heartless and a body becomes a Nobody. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Or another theory: If a heart and a body becomes a person, maybe a heartless and an nobody combined will become the opposite of a being, the opposite of a birth (THE UNBIRTH). Oh, wait, this was supposed to be about Ven being Roxas and Sora. Oh, well.  [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

{{troisnyxetienne|text=The first one sounds plausible.}}

If my first explanation is true, I wonder what Sora's, Kairi's, and Xenahort's Unbirth would look like.  [[Special:Contributions/149.150.236.189|149.150.236.189]] 19:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

{{troisnyxetienne|text=Methinks Sora's Unbirth is Ven. Not sure about Kairi's though. And we've gone through endless debates trying to unveil Xehanort's true identity, but well, we haven't come up with a solution.}}

Wouldn't Aqua be Kairi's Unbirth? And since Terra resembles Xenahort, I'm thinking Terra could be Xenahort's Unbirth. I wonder that in the future games, if Sora, Kairi, and Riku are going to become Chasers and get that cool-looking armor. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 04:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

{{troisnyxetienne|text=Thing is, we don't know if Aqua does bear a connection to Kairi. For that Nobody bit to happen, Aqua must either become a Heartless, or get her heart corroded in the Corridors of Darkness. Does she really do that ?}}

Aqua could lose her heart to darkness. Why couldn't she lose her heart to darkness? Why can't I assume a connection between Aqua and Kairi? It could be just one big coincidence. But until I actually get the game, I will make up hundreds of logical and illogical theories. [[User:Augment96|Augment96]] 01:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


I don't think Ven is either of them cause Roxas didn't exist 10 years ago and sora was on destiny islands at the time--[[User:Goma107|Goma107]] 01:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)goma107

Ven is what Roxas was. Ven was the unbirth. Something happened to him. This "something" changed Ven (the unbirth) to Roxas (the nobody). This "something" has a connection to Sora and maybe Xenahort. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 18:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

''''''''SPOILER ALERT''''''''
I read on another website that summarized the game that sora is holding Ven's heart because he died. He also had Kairi's heart when he stabbed himself in KH one. If Kairi's nobody, Namine, was created this way then what if Roxas was actually Ven's nobody? Or at least had part of creating Roxas?

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