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| As for Barbossa, I suggest on changing it to just Barbossa, or Captain Barbossa as per his journal entry.}} | | As for Barbossa, I suggest on changing it to just Barbossa, or Captain Barbossa as per his journal entry.}} |
| {{ShardofTruth|time=21:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)|talk=I agree that the titles can be quite confusing sometimes, especially Mickey's. But I don't think a simple ruleset (drop royality, master and captain, keep the mr./mrs./dr.) will work out in every case. I think going by the latest journal entry's title is the best idea, although we might have to move some articles every new game then. Also is "Charming" really a name? I always thought it was a description.}} | | {{ShardofTruth|time=21:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)|talk=I agree that the titles can be quite confusing sometimes, especially Mickey's. But I don't think a simple ruleset (drop royality, master and captain, keep the mr./mrs./dr.) will work out in every case. I think going by the latest journal entry's title is the best idea, although we might have to move some articles every new game then. Also is "Charming" really a name? I always thought it was a description.}} |
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| {{Asif|sho=I think the problem with this argument is that each title holds a different meaning for this subject, meaning that it isn't reasonable to make one rule about titles and have it apply for every article. For example, while I think that pages for Aqua and Riku aren't in need of the "Master" title in their titles, keeping the "Master" title in Master Xehanort's article would alleviate much confusion for other users. A person could search for "Xehanort" and be directed to the page about Master Xehanort instead of Terra-Xehanort, the one they are looking for. This is an issue that needs to be looked at for every article separately from each other, because if we did make rules, we would have to build in so many exceptions that having them would be pointless.
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| I also propose that we set a time limit as to how long discussion we have about each article, assuming there is disagreement between users. Seriously, the debate about Terra-Xehanort was ridiculous- some people are ''still'' unhappy with the chosen name. (Note that this is NOT an invitation to begin that debate again). I propose a seven-day maximum discussion and voting session per each article. I also think that the end time needs to be clearly written- there was confusion with the voting for Terra-Xehanort, because people didn't know when the voting period ended.
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| I know that this seems a little bit too much, but keep in mind that we won't necessarily have to do this for every article if there is no discussion- or if a compromise can be reached. It's not a perfect solution, but at this point I think it's the only one that's feasible for this type of situation.
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| On a related note, could we somehow add these titles to the "Other Names" section of the character template for each? I don't think it will be necessary for every article, but for pages like Mickey's (Mickey Mouse, King Mickey, Master Mickey, etc.) it might be a good way to compromise on this issue- keep the title out of the article name and use it in the template instead.
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| {{Xion4ever|time=05:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)|talktext=Easy, guys and gals. Easy.
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| @Shard: Charming is normally used as an adjective/verb. However, some older fairytales and/or stories have used charming as a name. I suppose they were saying "Prince is charming." Instead of saying "Prince Albert was very charming." Or something like that. Perhaps "This Prince is Charming" instead of saying "Prince so-and-so is charming" every time?
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| Personally, I would like to follow the names the recent journal entries give us. And- well, pretty much what Shard and Asif said about that.
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| I disagree though on the time limit idea. Not that I disagree that some [previously closed/settled] discussions should be reopened (no reference, by the way...seriously). It's just that I personally don't like a constriction or set time for users to discuss/debate/rally support, and all that jazz. There is, or was, a general unwritten rule that a lot of users used to know and follow about discussions: if it's a couple of weeks old since the last post, chances are the discussion is closed and shouldn't be edited. Simply put, this is a Wiki. We have new users, ideas, and the like throughout each day. To deny someone their right to input on a discussion just because they missed the alotted discussion time is...well, rather wrong. As for voting: a formal voting process isn't needed for every discussion. Sometimes a [[Talk:Moogle Shop|discussion]] is as easy as one or two people saying "Yes, I think we should do what <user> proposed." There is new input and answers to a discussion one day, and some lacking the next. A set timelimit is a nice proposition, but one I feel will be more tedious and troubling than properly handing a discussion and, should it occur, a rediscussion. Similar to what happened on [[Terra-Xehanort]]'s talk page. The topic was reopened, discussion was held again, the previous decision stands. Everyone had their input, outside of a time limit, and everything worked out. No elaborate posting of voting periods/polls (don't use polls, at least not the old coding- not going into that), users upset because they couldn't have their say because they were grounded from the computer for a week, and all that.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|For other names: the "Alias" parameter in the infobox should be used for that purpose. They can also appear in the lead.
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| For Xehanort: when I merged, I dropped "Master" after asking the people present in the IRC, because obviously the young form isn't a Keyblade Master. We also have numerous people just calling him Xehanort, like Yen Sid or sometimes Nomura. Obviously, I don't think it will be possible to go by the latest journal entry for him (Unknown/Master Xehanort or Young Xehanort/Master Xehanort?) and except for Eraqus, every other single Keyblade Master's article does not have that title. The issue is, as always, open for discussion, but I think it would be quite irregular and confusing to be calling the article "Master Xehanort" and then trying to set a dichotomy between the Master and Young forms within the article. Again, open for discussion (on that talk page).
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| As for this forum: We still have three games to check for sources. It seems like ENX is suggesting "use the name of the latest English journal entry" for each character, which is acceptable, although it will cause us to move articles each time a new game comes out. On the other hand, my suggestion would make them more stable, but requires more of our own decision-making and a touch of arbitrariness. This probably will need to be settled with a vote once we have all the quote mining done (it would be helpful if somebody could help maggosh with that).}}
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