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| If the Keyhole is already affiliated with KH13.com, I feel we definitely should be, as well!}} | | If the Keyhole is already affiliated with KH13.com, I feel we definitely should be, as well!}} |
| {{TheSilentHero|time=11:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|cloud=I think we should go with a template like Chain's and place it on the Main Pages. I don't really see the use of a hub site. When will people ever go there? It would be much easier to directly link to the other wiki's on each wiki, instead of linking to a hub site, before being able to go to another wiki.}} | | {{TheSilentHero|time=11:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|cloud=I think we should go with a template like Chain's and place it on the Main Pages. I don't really see the use of a hub site. When will people ever go there? It would be much easier to directly link to the other wiki's on each wiki, instead of linking to a hub site, before being able to go to another wiki.}} |
| {{ENX|time=12:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|talktext=I suggested the hub site because, as I understand things, we want people to visit the entire ''KH'' Wikiverse at once first, and THEN notice the existence of the individual sites contained within (KHWiki.com, the Keyhole, the ''Unchained'' Wiki, etc.). I worry people would not pay the ''KH'' Wikiverse much attention if all we do is post a SEIWA-type template at the bottom of each affiliated site's main page…
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| Anyways, the Japanese ''Kingdom Hearts'' website uses a format that is suitable to our purposes. While I agree it is annoying to have to go to a hub site first when I just want to go to a particular Wiki, I think the hub is a good way to organize and gather all contents of ''KH'' Wikiverse in one place for easy access.
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| What if we looked at doing something similar to Bulbapedia (the non-Wikia Pokémon Wiki) and Bulbagarden?}}
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| {{TheSilentHero|time=12:40, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|ike=But, how will people end up on the hub site? I imagine people search for something related to KH and end up on any of the wiki's. Why would they ever go to the hub site? Unless we can make it so that it shows the news from KH13, as well as the recent changes from the wiki's or something.}}
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| {{ENX|time=16:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|text=To reiterate, I'm suggesting we establish a ''KH'' Wiki "conglomerate" of sorts, meaning this Wiki and its affiliates (at least those that are also Wikis) would all operate under the ''KH'' Wikiverse name. Using "KHWikiverse.com" as a potential URL, we could use redirects to lead people to the hub site. I agree this process sounds clunky and unnecessarily annoying, but with some fine-tuning, I believe it could work.
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| As I said earlier, I imagine something similar to the official Japanese ''KH'' website (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom). That site acts as a "hub page" where news and Twitter feeds are displayed. In addition, it acts as a portal to the various official Japanese websites for each ''KH'' game (for example, http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/3d/).
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| I will try to create a "mock" site screenshot to better-illustrate my idea.
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| '''EDIT: 17:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)''' - Here is a mock version of what I imagine for KHWikiverse.com:
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| http://s22.postimg.org/binkoea8h/KHWikiverse_Mock.png<br>
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| Obviously, this is for illustrative purposes only and is in no way representative of what I would want to see on the final product, were we to pursue this. I tried to assemble content from various sources, including KH13.com, the Keyhole, and Chainoffire's template.}}
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| {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|default=To me, a hub site would be preferable but it's a lot of logistical/financial trouble to host a website (khwikiverse.com is a free domain though!). Until we can overcome this hurdle, a page on each wiki should suffice and even if after we do get a website, I think we should keep the wiki pages as a general overview of the idea (including links to the other KHWV members) and use the website as a place to explain it fully and perhaps include some of the ideas that ENX mentioned to make it more functional.
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| Now some jobs to do:
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| *Can anyone make a logo/banner for the KHWV?
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| *Can anyone contact KH13 and ask if they are interested in being partners (preferably the person who originally contacted them to become affiliates with the Keyhole)?
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| *I will (try to) contact the KHUX Wiki, Answers wiki and fanon wiki.
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| EDIT: I've run into a [http://kingdomheartsfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Fanon_Wiki:Staff]. KeybladeSpyMaster is apparently the only bcrat on the fanonwiki. Aside from being ironic as hell, it means that there's no active staff there. What do we do? }}
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| {{ENX|time=21:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|text=I agree we should pursue a hub site but use Wiki pages in the mean-time. These pages can be maintained even after the hub site is created, if that's what everyone wants. That said, I'd be happy to try my hand at making a logo, if there are any suggestions for it…}}
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| {{SeanWheeler|text=Interesting idea. Unchained X has it's own wiki? I wonder if any of the individual games could have their own wikis in this Wikiverse. I would like to see a Chain of Memories Wiki.|time=21:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:38, 18 November 2017 (UTC)|text=The thing is, this wiki is supposed to be the wiki for all the games. Individual game wikis will make this wiki unnecessary and redundant. KHUX has it's own because it started on its own by others not affiliated with this wiki,including KH13. So it made sense, I think, to just keep it and affiliate with it. At least that's how I understand it. I was gone back then.
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| Which reminds me, now that I'm back, just want to let you all know that KHFanon Wiki is on board with this, too. Let's try to make this happen!}}
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| {{SeanWheeler|text=Well if we want this wiki to be comprehensive and cover everything about the Kingdom Hearts series, it would be competing against The Keyhole and Kingdom Hearts Unchained X wiki. The Keyhole was the part of this site that stayed on Wikia when we left in response to the new skin. It has a lot of our stuff left over. It's practically the [[Nobody]] of this wiki. And our coverage of Kingdom Hearts X could compete with the Unchained X wiki. What kinds of Kingdom Hearts sites could join this Wikiverse anyway?|time=06:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=06:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)|christmas=Well no, not necessarily. I know what the Keyhole is, and the story of it and this wiki. Doesn't really have anything to do with what we're trying to do here, which is to move on from that and build each wiki up. The Keyhole is currently organizing article formats to align with its goal of being a simpler but still complete wiki. One of the biggest differences between this wiki and The Keyhole will be the lack of technical data which currently exists here. As for KHUX Wiki, the same applies: while we're going to be detailed, we're most likely going to not include as much of the details that are currently present there. Right now, quests and such link from here to KHUX, and anything related to story and characters links from there here (they really only cover the gameplay aspect in detail). You can participate in the discussion [[Forum:Project: χ (Key)|here]], where we're discussing what still needs to be done to improve our coverage of those games.
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| As for what sites can join, the idea originally is any interested ''Kingdom Hearts''-related wikis. We would become the one-stop shop for all ''Kingdom Hearts'' information and community, from fanfic ideas (KHFanon Wiki) to the detailed stuff (KHWiki) to the simple overview (Keyhole). I personally am open to including more than just wikis (for example, a news site of sorts, as we're ''not'' that right now), but for now, KHWikis are what we're aiming for.}}
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| :It's late/I'm not awake enough to truly re-read and comment on this...but I guess my thoughts can be summed up with this: I love seeing so many people gung-ho/on-fire about KH. However, as mentioned early, if more sub-component Wikis come about that does bring to question: what happens to us? Maybe I've just been out of the loop for too long and can't see the forest through the trees. Not really seeking counsel or a fight- just a concern from an "old fuddy-duddy." {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 05:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
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| {{SeanWheeler|text=Having an Unchained χ Wiki when we're trying to be comprehensive could be a problem. It's like there's an embargo on Kingdom Hearts χ. We can only cover χ as much as The Keyhole. And why is χ the only game to have it's own wiki? |time=01:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=07:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)|TRON=The KHUX Wiki was started by someone else trying to document KHUX, and it was started and was covering more than we were at the time (at least that's how I understand it; I wasn't around at the time, I was temporarily retired). Rather than directly compete, the users here at the time chose to cooperate with that wiki. The site is hosted and sponsored by KH13.com, so it wasn't going anywhere, and we were far behind (and still are) to try and play catch up. So, that's where we are. If we compete directly, we'll lose, because we couldn't catch up, and everyone here who plays KHUX edits on that wiki, too. What we can do instead is simply find a place where our coverage could be complete without competing. I think we can find that place; it's not a them vs. us kinda scenario, and it shouldn't be.}}
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| {{TheSilentHero|time=11:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)|cloud=As KSM said, we're not competing, rather we're completing each other. See, the KHUX wiki covers the gameplay aspect of KHUX in detail. It has pages for each Medal, Quest, Event, etc. But for Characters, Enemies, and Worlds it links here. So it's our job to cover the story aspect of KHUX and we're also planning on globally covering gameplay elements (so we'll have lists of Medals and Quests instead of pages for each one). This way both wiki's will cover the game. If you're playing KHUX and looking for information on a specific Medal, you should go to the KHUX Wiki. If you're not playing, but want to catch up with the story, you should go here. And with both wiki's linking to each other, it should only increase traffic.
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| That being said, I don't think any other game should get it's own wiki. The reason we have a separate KHUX wiki is that it already existed before we started covering it, so we decided to help out and put all the information there. As of now though, pretty much all active editors there come from this wiki.}}
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| {{NinjaSheik|text=Still, having two separate wikis covering the same game is a little weird. Is a merge between the KHX Wiki and us be something to discuss in the near future? Rather editing on two separate wikis, wouldn't it be more convenient to edit on one wiki instead of going back and forth between the two, because aren't we covering the same things?}}
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| {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)|TRON=I agree, it'd be better if there was just one wiki instead of two. It'd definitely be more convenient. But, I highly doubt that'll happen anytime soon. Like I mentioned, it's partially a project by KH13.com. It's very unlikely that they'll let the project die.}}
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| Because of the online nature of KHUX, it's actually not a bad thing to have a separate wiki for it. KHUX is constantly updated so it requires tons of coverage. All that gameplay information would bloat our wiki, detracting from the average visitor's experience. KHUX is niche and self-contained enough that it really does not matter that the KHUX Wiki exists. It's not worth going to the trouble to integrate the KHUX gameplay content into ours (there's so many quests and medals and attacks that it will take forever) when there are more important projects to get on with. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
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| {{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 23:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)|normal=I agree with FM, especially since some info on the khx wiki will be incomplete, due to the limited amount
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| {{SeanWheeler|text=Well, if the gameplay elements for KHχ are over there while gameplay elements for other games in the series are over here, it feels very broken. What happens if someone decides to start independent wikis for Birth by Sleep, Chain of Memories, Re:coded or 358/2 Days? Would we limit our information on them?|time=18:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)}}
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