Editing Forum:The Kingdom Hearts Wikiverse

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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)|default=Hello everyone! Remember a little idea we had a while back, called Operation: Keychain? Well, it started off okay and then we started talking about the Keyhole's purpose and everything became a little muddled. The good news is that the Keyhole has decided on its purpose so with that part out the way, we can now continue that operation!

Before handling the other topics that are in the original plan made by KSM, Chain and Xion, I think we should still spend some time thinking about the first section "The Greater Wiki", since it is the foundation of everything else we will be doing afterwards. At the moment, we're using the name ''Kingdom Hearts Wikiverse'' (or KHWV). Our first point of discussion is whether everyone is still okay with that name or if we should change it?

As an overview to those who don't know, the KHWV is best described as a collection of wikis that '''collectively''' aims to be the ultimate KH resource and offer information on every aspect of ''Kingdom Hearts''. The word "collectively" is important because each wiki has its own scope and purpose within the wider wikiverse and it is only when all the wikis' content is combined that we get the full picture. (An extended explanation will be featured in the next magazine issue so the concept isn't completely clear yet, read it.)

So far, the KHWV has three encyclopaedic wikis:
*The '''KHWiki''', which is the most comprehensive database and aims to document almost ''everything'' Kingdom Hearts. I say "almost" everything because it will only contain an overview of KHX/KHUX's gameplay elements and for these games, the KHWiki mainly focusses on its overlap with the rest of the series.
*The '''Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ Wiki''', which has a more in-depth coverage of ''Unchained χ''.
*'''The Keyhole''', which is a summarised encyclopaedia, focussing on the essential KH information rather than gameplay and specific details.
In addition, there are two other wikis lined up to be part of the KHWV:
*The '''Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki''', a non-factual wiki where fans can embrace their fandom.
*The '''Kingdom Hearts Answers Wiki''', a Q&A where people can ask any question they have relating to Kingdom Hearts.
(The KHUX Wiki, KHFanon wiki and KHAnswers wiki haven't been formally invited to the KHWV yet so one task is to go around and actually asking if they want to be part of this.)
On top of that, we were also looking to partner with a KH news site. While they wouldn't be considered a member of the KHWV (since they aren't a wiki), they'd be the go-to place for news so that the KHWV has somewhere to direct readers who wants that type of information, meaning that we live up to our goal of being the ultimate KH resource. 

A question is which news site do we want to partner with? Personally, I use KH13 the most and it would make sense to pair with them as they're already affiliated with the KHUX wiki and a huge part in making that happen, so they're already indirectly linked to the KHWV.

Finally, we need to think about the setup of the KHWV. How will the logistics work? Will we need a website?

Please discuss and correct me if any of the things I said here was wrong.!}}
{{ENX|time=00:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|talktext=I agree with the idea of affiliating ourselves with KH13.com. Not only is the site partnered already with the ''KHUX'' Wiki, it is also very good about staying up-to-date and reporting the latest ''KH'' news in a timely fashion. These are the essential aspects of a "quality" news website.

Regarding a ''KH''WV website, what if we did something similar to the way ''Kingdom Hearts''.com was formatted prior to its ''KHUX'' update? Imagine the following:
*A "hub site" on which the logos of each website affiliated with the ''KH''WV appears.
*Clicking on a particular logo would take a person to the respective internal website (e.g. ''KH''Wiki.com, The Keyhole, or KH13…).
*If we want to go the extra mile, we could like to the foreign language ''KH'' Wikis, as well, by having a "Select your country/language" feature…This could make ''KH''WV more friendly to potential foreign visitors looking for something in their native tongue…

Just some suggestions!
*'''EDIT: 01:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)''' - In case people need a better idea of what I was suggesting for the ''KH''WV "hub site," see [http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/ this]. I wasn't even thinking about linking to our social media site pages, but I feel it is a good idea, or at least one to be considered.}}

{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 02:47, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|normal=Maybe [http://khwiki-cof.wikia.com/wiki/Template:GreaterWiki this template] I made awhile back could be of use? I'm thinking that if we make a page on each wiki, (and stick it on the sidebar) explaining what the KHWV is, and have that navi at the bottom of the main page, (is SEIWA still a thing?) that could work fine.

If we were to partner with a news site I'm thinking that KH13 would be the way to go, especially since both The Keyhole and KHUx are already affiliated with KH13.}}
{{ENX|time=03:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|text=I quite like that template, Chainoffire! It lines up quite nicely with what I suggested! I say we use it.

If the Keyhole is already affiliated with KH13.com, I feel we definitely should be, as well!}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=11:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|cloud=I think we should go with a template like Chain's and place it on the Main Pages. I don't really see the use of a hub site. When will people ever go there? It would be much easier to directly link to the other wiki's on each wiki, instead of linking to a hub site, before being able to go to another wiki.}}
{{ENX|time=12:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|talktext=I suggested the hub site because, as I understand things, we want people to visit the entire ''KH'' Wikiverse at once first, and THEN notice the existence of the individual sites contained within (KHWiki.com, the Keyhole, the ''Unchained'' Wiki, etc.). I worry people would not pay the ''KH'' Wikiverse much attention if all we do is post a SEIWA-type template at the bottom of each affiliated site's main page…
 
Anyways, the Japanese ''Kingdom Hearts'' website uses a format that is suitable to our purposes. While I agree it is annoying to have to go to a hub site first when I just want to go to a particular Wiki, I think the hub is a good way to organize and gather all contents of ''KH'' Wikiverse in one place for easy access.

What if we looked at doing something similar to Bulbapedia (the non-Wikia Pokémon Wiki) and Bulbagarden?}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=12:40, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|ike=But, how will people end up on the hub site? I imagine people search for something related to KH and end up on any of the wiki's. Why would they ever go to the hub site? Unless we can make it so that it shows the news from KH13, as well as the recent changes from the wiki's or something.}}
{{ENX|time=16:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|text=To reiterate, I'm suggesting we establish a ''KH'' Wiki "conglomerate" of sorts, meaning this Wiki and its affiliates (at least those that are also Wikis) would all operate under the ''KH'' Wikiverse name. Using "KHWikiverse.com" as a potential URL, we could use redirects to lead people to the hub site. I agree this process sounds clunky and unnecessarily annoying, but with some fine-tuning, I believe it could work. 

As I said earlier, I imagine something similar to the official Japanese ''KH'' website (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom). That site acts as a "hub page" where news and Twitter feeds are displayed. In addition, it acts as a portal to the various official Japanese websites for each ''KH'' game (for example, http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/3d/).

I will try to create a "mock" site screenshot to better-illustrate my idea.

'''EDIT: 17:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)''' - Here is a mock version of what I imagine for KHWikiverse.com:
http://s22.postimg.org/binkoea8h/KHWikiverse_Mock.png<br>
Obviously, this is for illustrative purposes only and is in no way representative of what I would want to see on the final product, were we to pursue this. I tried to assemble content from various sources, including KH13.com, the Keyhole, and Chainoffire's template.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|default=To me, a hub site would be preferable but it's a lot of logistical/financial trouble to host a website (khwikiverse.com is a free domain though!). Until we can overcome this hurdle, a page on each wiki should suffice and even if after we do get a website, I think we should keep the wiki pages as a general overview of the idea (including links to the other KHWV members) and use the website as a place to explain it fully and perhaps include some of the ideas that ENX mentioned to make it more functional. 

Now some jobs to do:
*Can anyone make a logo/banner for the KHWV?
*Can anyone contact KH13 and ask if they are interested in being partners (preferably the person who originally contacted them to become affiliates with the Keyhole)?
*I will (try to) contact the KHUX Wiki, Answers wiki and fanon wiki.

EDIT: I've run into a [http://kingdomheartsfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Fanon_Wiki:Staff]. KeybladeSpyMaster is apparently the only bcrat on the fanonwiki. Aside from being ironic as hell, it means that there's no active staff there. What do we do? }}
{{ENX|time=21:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)|text=I agree we should pursue a hub site but use Wiki pages in the mean-time. These pages can be maintained even after the hub site is created, if that's what everyone wants. That said, I'd be happy to try my hand at making a logo, if there are any suggestions for it…}}

{{SeanWheeler|text=Interesting idea. Unchained X has it's own wiki? I wonder if any of the individual games could have their own wikis in this Wikiverse. I would like to see a Chain of Memories Wiki.|time=21:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:38, 18 November 2017 (UTC)|text=The thing is, this wiki is supposed to be the wiki for all the games. Individual game wikis will make this wiki unnecessary and redundant. KHUX has it's own because it started on its own by others not affiliated with this wiki,including KH13. So it made sense, I think, to just keep it and affiliate with it. At least that's how I understand it. I was gone back then.

Which reminds me, now that I'm back, just want to let you all know that KHFanon Wiki is on board with this, too. Let's try to make this happen!}}

{{SeanWheeler|text=Well if we want this wiki to be comprehensive and cover everything about the Kingdom Hearts series, it would be competing against The Keyhole and Kingdom Hearts Unchained X wiki. The Keyhole was the part of this site that stayed on Wikia when we left in response to the new skin. It has a lot of our stuff left over. It's practically the [[Nobody]] of this wiki. And our coverage of Kingdom Hearts X could compete with the Unchained X wiki. What kinds of Kingdom Hearts sites could join this Wikiverse anyway?|time=06:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=06:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)|christmas=Well no, not necessarily. I know what the Keyhole is, and the story of it and this wiki. Doesn't really have anything to do with what we're trying to do here, which is to move on from that and build each wiki up. The Keyhole is currently organizing article formats to align with its goal of being a simpler but still complete wiki. One of the biggest differences between this wiki and The Keyhole will be the lack of technical data which currently exists here. As for KHUX Wiki, the same applies: while we're going to be detailed, we're most likely going to not include as much of the details that are currently present there. Right now, quests and such link from here to KHUX, and anything related to story and characters links from there here (they really only cover the gameplay aspect in detail). You can participate in the discussion [[Forum:Project: χ (Key)|here]], where we're discussing what still needs to be done to improve our coverage of those games.

As for what sites can join, the idea originally is any interested ''Kingdom Hearts''-related wikis. We would become the one-stop shop for all ''Kingdom Hearts'' information and community, from fanfic ideas (KHFanon Wiki) to the detailed stuff (KHWiki) to the simple overview (Keyhole). I personally am open to including more than just wikis (for example, a news site of sorts, as we're ''not'' that right now), but for now, KHWikis are what we're aiming for.}}
:It's late/I'm not awake enough to truly re-read and comment on this...but I guess my thoughts can be summed up with this: I love seeing so many people gung-ho/on-fire about KH. However, as mentioned early, if more sub-component Wikis come about that does bring to question: what happens to us? Maybe I've just been out of the loop for too long and can't see the forest through the trees. Not really seeking counsel or a fight- just a concern from an "old fuddy-duddy." {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 05:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

{{SeanWheeler|text=Having an Unchained &chi; Wiki when we're trying to be comprehensive could be a problem. It's like there's an embargo on Kingdom Hearts &chi;. We can only cover &chi; as much as The Keyhole. And why is &chi; the only game to have it's own wiki? |time=01:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=07:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)|TRON=The KHUX Wiki was started by someone else trying to document KHUX, and it was started and was covering more than we were at the time (at least that's how I understand it; I wasn't around at the time, I was temporarily retired). Rather than directly compete, the users here at the time chose to cooperate with that wiki. The site is hosted and sponsored by KH13.com, so it wasn't going anywhere, and we were far behind (and still are) to try and play catch up. So, that's where we are. If we compete directly, we'll lose, because we couldn't catch up, and everyone here who plays KHUX edits on that wiki, too. What we can do instead is simply find a place where our coverage could be complete without competing. I think we can find that place; it's not a them vs. us kinda scenario, and it shouldn't be.}}
{{TheSilentHero|time=11:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)|cloud=As KSM said, we're not competing, rather we're completing each other. See, the KHUX wiki covers the gameplay aspect of KHUX in detail. It has pages for each Medal, Quest, Event, etc. But for Characters, Enemies, and Worlds it links here. So it's our job to cover the story aspect of KHUX and we're also planning on globally covering gameplay elements (so we'll have lists of Medals and Quests instead of pages for each one). This way both wiki's will cover the game. If you're playing KHUX and looking for information on a specific Medal, you should go to the KHUX Wiki. If you're not playing, but want to catch up with the story, you should go here. And with both wiki's linking to each other, it should only increase traffic.

That being said, I don't think any other game should get it's own wiki. The reason we have a separate KHUX wiki is that it already existed before we started covering it, so we decided to help out and put all the information there. As of now though, pretty much all active editors there come from this wiki.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Still, having two separate wikis covering the same game is a little weird. Is a merge between the KHX Wiki and us be something to discuss in the near future? Rather editing on two separate wikis, wouldn't it be more convenient to edit on one wiki instead of going back and forth between the two, because aren't we covering the same things?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)|TRON=I agree, it'd be better if there was just one wiki instead of two. It'd definitely be more convenient. But, I highly doubt that'll happen anytime soon. Like I mentioned, it's partially a project by KH13.com. It's very unlikely that they'll let the project die.}}

Because of the online nature of KHUX, it's actually not a bad thing to have a separate wiki for it. KHUX is constantly updated so it requires tons of coverage. All that gameplay information would bloat our wiki, detracting from the average visitor's experience. KHUX is niche and self-contained enough that it really does not matter that the KHUX Wiki exists. It's not worth going to the trouble to integrate the KHUX gameplay content into ours (there's so many quests and medals and attacks that it will take forever) when there are more important projects to get on with. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 23:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)|normal=I agree with FM, especially since some info on the khx wiki will be incomplete, due to the limited amount 
of time for events,  medals, etc. If we were to have them together, it'd make our wiki look a bit more broken, whereas holes are expected over there.}}

{{SeanWheeler|text=Well, if the gameplay elements for KH&chi; are over there while gameplay elements for other games in the series are over here, it feels very broken. What happens if someone decides to start independent wikis for Birth by Sleep, Chain of Memories, Re:coded or 358/2 Days? Would we limit our information on them?|time=18:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)}}