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{{TNE|time=03:15, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'm picking up from where we left off at the [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|Mensa]], and since the suggestions for remodelling the MOS have been closed, I will put up our current stances right here for everyone to see. So these are the issues :
{{TNE|time=03:15, February 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'm picking up from where we left off at the [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|Mensa]], and since the suggestions for remodelling the MOS have been closed, I will put up our current stances right here for everyone to see. So these are the issues :


==Media Usage==
==Media Usage==
===Videos===
===Videos===
*People have been uploading videos to KHW, when in actual fact, they can just embed the vids by using the <nowiki><youtube></youtube></nowiki> code found on [[Help:User page]]. And some of these videos end up being deleted. We have to make this code clearer to the rest.
*People have been uploading videos to KHW, when in actual fact, they can just embed the vids by using the <nowiki><youtube></youtube></nowiki> code found on [[Help:Beginner's Userpage]]. And some of these videos end up being deleted. We have to make this code clearer to the rest.
*The 4-vid rule might have to be switched to a 6-vid rule or even an 8-vid rule, in light of the new releases of Days, BBS and Coded.
*The 4-vid rule might have to be switched to a 6-vid rule or even an 8-vid rule, in light of the new releases of Days, BBS and Coded.
*Video walkthroughs in the case of the Days Missions should be allowed, and possibly the Gummi Missions, since it'll usually only involve one video. Otherwise, videos are only allowed in boss battles, or battles exclusive to the Final Mixes, or the song pages.
*Video walkthroughs in the case of the Days Missions should be allowed, and possibly the Gummi Missions, since it'll usually only involve one video. Otherwise, videos are only allowed in boss battles, or battles exclusive to the Final Mixes, or the song pages.
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==Content==
==Content==
===General Rules===
*As I had mentioned in [[Talk:Sora's Heartless]], circular definitions are not allowed. The example given there was ''Sora's Heartless is the Heartless of Sora''. It doesn't explain anything. It's just like saying "A brain surgeon is a surgeon of the brain" - unless people do know, for example, what a surgeon is, and what a brain is, it's not going to explain anything. Similar case with this. Where we see circular definitions, we have to restructure the opening sentence.
===Naming===
===Naming===
*All Heartless or Nobodies or goodness knows what which have been given new names in new releases should '''not''' have their names changed. The Watcher is still the [[Surveillance Robot]].
*All Heartless or Nobodies or goodness knows what which have been given new names in new releases should '''not''' have their names changed. The Watcher is still the [[Surveillance Robot]].
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===Spoiler warnings===
===Spoiler warnings===
*Point number four of [[KHWiki:Spoiler policy]] remains in effect.
*Point number four of [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Spoiler Policy]] remains in effect.


===Trivia===
===Trivia===
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So if nothing else, think of eliminating the Trivia sections as a process to becoming a better writer and editor.  Ah, there you guys go...the ''Kingdom Hearts'' wiki ''is'' educational! ^_^}}
So if nothing else, think of eliminating the Trivia sections as a process to becoming a better writer and editor.  Ah, there you guys go...the ''Kingdom Hearts'' wiki ''is'' educational! ^_^}}
{{KrytenKoro|We really need to finish this discussion, especially on the matter of Battle Quotes. I still believe that there's absolutely no use for them as their own section, since they provide no real context, and that they're only real use would be as telegraphs for the strategy section.}}
{{TNE|time=12:21, March 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=Keep those which are vital to the strategy alone ; the rest should be taken out. I know that some people have more than 10 battle quotes, once we take out the grunts and cries, it should be sufficient.}}
{{KrytenKoro|I'm not entirely sure what you're saying. Do you mean "Merge battle quotes with strategy" or "Keep unique battle quotes as their own section"? I still support the first, and I'd be willing to do a write up for Seifer's strategy section if anyone is unsure what I mean.}}
{{TNE|time=14:37, March 5, 2010 (UTC)|text=I didn't know, but now that you mention it... I think I'll go with the first. It sounds like a good idea. ^_^}}


==Category Tree (Someone please continue from where I left off ?)==
==Category Tree (Someone please continue from where I left off ?)==
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{{KrytenKoro|The TCG categories should be deleted, since the card infobox system uses the subcategories [[:Cateogry:Cards|here]]. The image categories should be similarly renamed.}}
{{KrytenKoro|The TCG categories should be deleted, since the card infobox system uses the subcategories [[:Cateogry:Cards|here]]. The image categories should be similarly renamed.}}
==Other Additions==
==Other Additions==
===Article Related===
{{EO|time=05:26, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=So I had no clue what I was supposed to do with this, but here's where we can post other concerns we find that need be listed in the MoS. I listed my major concerns a while ago in TNE's mensa, and we seem to have built off of/resolved those crises. For now, one of the biggest issues I have is the lack of the word "the" in the beginning sentences of articles.
{{EO|time=05:26, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=So I had no clue what I was supposed to do with this, but here's where we can post other concerns we find that need be listed in the MoS. I listed my major concerns a while ago in TNE's mensa, and we seem to have built off of/resolved those crises. For now, one of the biggest issues I have is the lack of the word "the" in the beginning sentences of articles.


*True, we're meant to bold the articule title in the sentence, but stating "Shadow is a Heartless appearing in..." is false. The way that is phrased makes it seem more like that's a single being, rather than a "breed," considering we are being non-sepcific, in which the proper sentence would be "THE Shadow is a Heartless appearing in..." Obviously Shadow would be bolded, and the "the" would not be. This same issue holds true for weapons and items, in which the same issue is found. "'''The''' Ultima Weapon", "'''The''' Dusk", "'''The''' Crisis Gear". Terms such as "an" or "a" would be used rather than the if nedded, such as "'''An''' Elixir".}}
*True, we're meant to bold the articule title in the sentence, but stating "Shadow is a Heartless appearing in..." is false. The way that is phrased makes it seem more like that's a single being, rather than a "breed," considering we are being non-sepcific, in which the proper sentence would be "THE Shadow is a Heartless appearing in..." Obviously Shadow would be bolded, and the "the" would not be. This same issue holds true for weapons and items, in which the same issue is found. "'''The''' Ultima Weapon", "'''The''' Dusk", "'''The''' Crisis Gear". Terms such as "an" or "a" would be used rather than the if nedded, such as "'''An''' Elixir".}}
{{LapisScarab|time=05:49, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=For breeds of enemies like Shadows and Dusks, it should be "A Shadow is..." and "A Dusk is...". For boss enemies (i.e. enemies that only appear once) it would be "the", for example "The Stealth Sneak". For named weapons like Lunatic and Jungle King, I don't think an article is necessary, since they ''are'' single weapons. Ultima Weapon, even though it has multiple forms, probably wouldn't need an article either.}}
{{EO|time=05:55, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Time to put my "forum face" on...
I'm honestly not a huge fan of "A Shadow" or "A Dusk", because "the" just fits better. As for weapons, we say '''the''' Soul Eater, which would be the same case as '''the''' Kingdom Key, and to remain consistent (same for "the" with enemies, as this has been stressed before), should hold true for all other articles.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=06:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=It doesn't matter if it sounds better or not, "A Shadow" is gramatically correct, since it is referring to a group, the Shadow "breed" of Heartless as a whole. I agree that there ''should'' be articles at the beginning of the...articles... but we shouldn't be useing whatever ones sound better or the ones that match those used in other articles. We should use ones that are correct. As for the weapons, either way, with or without "the" at the beginning is fine.}}
{{KrytenKoro|How about "The Shadow is a ''type'' of Pureblood Heartless."?}}
{{TNE|time=13:09, February 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=We generally refer to a specific subject with "the" at the opening sentence, except for general terms like "Sleights" and stuff. If there's only one of the particular subject, we have to use "the".}}
===Wiki Related===
{{LapisScarab|time=05:43, February 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Recent events have shown that we need a clear statement of our policy on edit warring. How many reverts until it is considered an edit war, and what should be the response of those who hand out warnings. I personally think that, in terms of warnings, we should go by the policy we have for normal warnings, that is just ''telling'' someone to stop before resorting to a warning template.}}
{{TNE|time=05:50, February 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=If it ain't broken, don't fix it ! In other words, if it isn't heated, and someone is trying his best to undo what he knows is vandalism, for example, then don't slap it !
Then again, just as Lapis put it, we need to tell the users first.}}
==Anything else ? Can someone please continue from where I left off ?==
{{TNE|time=12:19, February 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=I managed to put in some of the new issues in the MOS (where there was unanimous agreement). I'm not sure how to word the Trivia thing right, I want it to be easily understandable.
I'll handle the Linking and the See Also sections too, perhaps later. Anything else I missed ?}}
{{KrytenKoro|We ''really'' need to make a final decision on the Battle Quotes issue. If I'm not supposed to be removing those sections, I'd like to know now.}}
{{DTN|time=17:54, April 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=I would say that they should all be removed from the boss articles; for most bosses, at least half of their listed battle quotes are simple grunts or shouts, such as "Sora!", "Get back!", or "Take this!". If we want to keep any of the other quotes that we think are meaningful to the boss's character, they can be moved to the character article in the place of less important quotes that do not show the character's behavorial characteristics.}}

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