Editing Forum:New Wiki Layout

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==Archived==
*[[Forum:New Wiki Layout/Archive I|First Ideas]]

==Second Ideas==
{{yer mom|time=17:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I think we left this die, should we start again?}}

{{M|time=17:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Yes but why not use the logo the french one has?}}

{{BebopKate|time=01:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)|text=This might be a better time to work on it, since it's closer to the American release.  I've seen various logos running around...maybe someone wants to set up a sub-page with a poll and we can start from there?}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=I don't want to hurt feelings here, but I really don't think that any of the current logos that have been posted here are good enough to be the official site logo.  Out of all of our affiliates, do we not have anyone to make a good quality logo for us?  Who made the logo for the FF wiki?  Perhaps I'll just have to ask around more.}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Ah, guys, I've got a buddy of mine working something right now.  I'm helping him work on it and I think it's going to come out great.  It should be finished soon.}}

{{Xiggie|time=15:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)|talk=I think that we should have a poll, like BebopKate suggested! does anyone else want that?

I also think that we should just have a logo that's "simple and clean" :P like the french Wiki logo for example: ''[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/fr/images/archive/b/bc/20090718213101%21Wiki.png clicky me!]''

I recolored that logo red, and then I made another one with some shadow.<br>here they are: (I don't have them a part of my talkbubble so the difference/shadow can be seen!)}}
::http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/Wiki-1.png http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/Wiki3.png
{{Xiggie|time=15:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)|text=if we'll open up a poll, I'm gonna nominate those two*!

<nowiki>*</nowiki>only the shadowy one if I can only nominate one :P}}

:http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/coconut_express/khwikiroxastext.png

{{Guardian Soul|text=Above is a screenshot of the wiki with a Roxas logo applied, that I think looks really great just like that.  However, regardless of how good it might look, I suppose "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" must be written on it, so I plan to get "Kingdom Hearts" written across the top where his hair is using the font from the official Kingdom Hearts logo, faded in red to match the theme, and then just write wiki under that.  I just need my friend to come online to finish the job, my internet crashed last night before I could get him to do it.

Let me know what you think.

(I'd also like to know if writing the name of the wiki is absolutely necessary for the logo, since it does say the name of our wiki in the option list below anyhow.  If we can do without the text, I think it would look fine with just Roxas's face.)}}
{{DTN|time=18:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)|text=It looks good, GS. I think that we should have the text, because it kind of gets across that it's the way back to our "Home Page."

@Xiggie: I like yours, but should we really have something so similar to what the French KH Wiki has?}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Well, I'll just wait for my friend to add the text, and I'll post it as soon as I can.}}
{{Azul|time=19:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I think we should wait for the logo from GS' friend. But, I mean it'll only be a month if we need to use the French KHWiki's logo.}}
{{Xiggie|time=19:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I like yours GS, but I think that it is just too simple! I mean... it's just Roxas' face in black 'n' white!<br>
I think that adding "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" is absolutely necessary, and it will probably make it less "plain"...

I personally think that having a logo similar to the french KH Wiki is OK, and like Azul said, it'll only be for a month... and it's not like they'll "sue" us or something :P}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Simple is good, and like I said, I was planning on getting the text done from the beginning.

I personally don't care for the logo that the french wiki is using, and I also have to point out that the edges of the logo are sort of bad quality.  Perhaps I'm just being picky, but either way, take into consideration that this is a Days theme, Roxas is more fitting.}}
{{MM841|08:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|I personally love the logo we are using right now.}}
{{KrytenKoro|For "Wiki", use an upside-down m, and the i and k from the kingdom hearts logo. It'll look more continuous that way.}}
{{DTN|time=17:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I turned that horizontal line into a heading so that the editing window will load faster. Just thought I'd let ya'll know. ;)}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=I got one made that looks just like the one we have now but in red.}}

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/coconut_express/2q33k1y.png

{{Guardian Soul|text=This is a Days theme though so I think it would make more sense to at least have Roxas in there.  I'll have the other choices posted soon, but there really isn't any rush.  I think someone should be looking into how we can get that countdown timer up right now.}}
{{EO|time=18:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|happytext=While this is "Admin Talk", I wanted to voice my opinion. Possibly add Roxas, Xion, and Axel to what we have like the long one with the Coded and BBS characters we had the other year? And maybe we could make this more Days-like by changing color and by removing Kairi and making Riku the Blindfold Riku?}}
{{DTN|time=19:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I'll ping ILHI about the countdown.}}
{{EO|time=19:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|hooded=I had given an embed code for a Days Coutndown....but apparently we don't use these?}}
{{ILHI|22:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|Countdowns require complicated CSS. And anything too complicated hurts my head.}}
{{ILHI|23:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|Alright. Add this to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]:}}
<pre>
// ****************************************************** //
// ************** JS countdown by Splarka  ************** //
// ****************************************************** //

function updatetimer(i) {
  var now = new Date();
  var then = timers[i].eventdate;
  var diff = count=Math.floor((then.getTime()-now.getTime())/1000);

  // catch bad date strings
  if(isNaN(diff)) { 
    timers[i].firstChild.nodeValue = '** ' + timers[i].eventdate + ' **' ;
    return;
  }

  // determine plus/minus
  if(diff<0) {
    diff = -diff;
    var tpm = 'T plus ';
  } else {
    var tpm = 'T minus ';
  }

  // calcuate the diff
  var left = (diff%60) + ' seconds';
    diff=Math.floor(diff/60);
  if(diff > 0) left = (diff%60) + ' minutes ' + left;
    diff=Math.floor(diff/60);
  if(diff > 0) left = (diff%24) + ' hours ' + left;
    diff=Math.floor(diff/24);
  if(diff > 0) left = diff + ' days ' + left
  timers[i].firstChild.nodeValue = tpm + left;

  // a setInterval() is more efficient, but calling setTimeout()
  // makes errors break the script rather than infinitely recurse
  timeouts[i] = setTimeout('updatetimer(' + i + ')',1000);
}

function checktimers() {
  //hide 'nocountdown' and show 'countdown'
  var nocountdowns = getElementsByClassName(document, 'span', 'nocountdown');
  for(var i in nocountdowns) nocountdowns[i].style.display = 'none'
  var countdowns = getElementsByClassName(document, 'span', 'countdown');
  for(var i in countdowns) countdowns[i].style.display = 'inline'

  //set up global objects timers and timeouts.
  timers = getElementsByClassName(document, 'span', 'countdowndate');  //global
  timeouts = new Array(); // generic holder for the timeouts, global
  if(timers.length == 0) return;
  for(var i in timers) {
    timers[i].eventdate = new Date(timers[i].firstChild.nodeValue);
    updatetimer(i);  //start it up
  }
}
addOnloadHook(checktimers);

// ****************************************************** //
</pre>

{{ILHI|23:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|And then add this to a page:}}
<pre><span class="countdown" style="display:none;">
[text] <span class="countdowndate">[month] [day] [year] [time] [timezone]</span> [text]
</span>
<span class="nocountdown">[This is what shows up if JS isn't enabled or is broekd for whatever reason</span>
</pre>

{{ILHI|23:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|So, as an example:}}
<pre><span class="countdown" style="display:none;">Only <span class="countdowndate">October 29 2009 00:00:00 GMT</span> until ILHI's birthday!
</span>
<span class="nocountdown">ILHI's birthday is on the 29th of October!</span>
</pre>

{{User:ILHI/Talk|23:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)|2=Now, this will show up like this:
<table border="1" width="100%"><tr><th><span class="countdown" style="display:none;">Only <span class="countdowndate">October 29 2009 00:00:00 GMT</span> until ILHI's birthday!
</span>
<span class="nocountdown">ILHI's birthday is on the 29th of October!</span></th></tr></table>

Because the JS isn't on the wiki yet, it just shows the "nocountdown" message.}}
{{DTN|time=02:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)|happytext=Thanks ILHI! You're incredible knowledge of coding has proven helpful and amazing once again.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Something else I'd really like us to implement is like [[w:c:halo:Type-32_Rapid_Assault_Vehicle|this]]. Do you see how it has logos in the top right to show which games it has appeared in? We could really use that.|02:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Okay, so we have a timer figured out, and yeah, that feature would be just swell KK.

Below is another logo that I created just messing around.  I can probably get some work done to it, and it needs 'wiki' written in it, but I thought I might as well show it off as an idea.}}

:http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/coconut_express/KHWikiLogo.png
{{KrytenKoro|Once it has "Wiki" added in the KH font, I think it would look perfect.}}
{{yer mom|time=16:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Well that's more or less what I had in mind. I like it a lot ^^ }}
{{Xiggie|time=20:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I like this one the best! :P just needs "Wiki" on it!

oh, and about the countdown... all I see is an empty box... damm my mac!}}
{{DTN|time=23:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Ok, so it seems like we've got it all ready, minus a logo with the word "Wiki" on it. Would someone mind putting it all together once GS gets that logo done? 

Also, how long should we keep this theme going? I don't think that we should just revert back as soon as October comes, as people will be coming here for ''Days'' information for at least several weeks after the NA release of ''Days''.}}
{{GS|time=23:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Maybe until December.  Perhaps we could do a Christmas theme later on?

Anyways, I'll get the logo finished by September.}}
{{DTN|time=01:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Woo, Christmas!! :D

Also, ''Birth by Sleep'' had an expected release date of December 31st. However, Nomura said that the game would miss its holiday time frame. Perhaps we could start a Christmas theme at the beginning of December, then fire up one for ''Birth by Sleep'' soon after Christmas. Also, thanks for the logo. It'll be good to have a '''countdown and''' theme going on for a good month.}}

{{Azul|time=02:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)|text=September's almost here! Yeah, it should run until X-mas. Heh, if we're going to have a BbS theme, we should start now ;} }}
{{DTN|time=02:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)|text=True, true. It did take us quite awhile to finally get everything for this theme situated. But before we jump into a ''Birth by Sleep'' theme, shouldn't we make sure that we've got everything all good and ready for the ''Days'' theme?}}
{{Azul|time=02:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)|text=lolz, I was joking.}}
{{DTN|time=03:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)|laughtext=Oh, haha!}}
{{GS|time=19:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Just thought I'd let you know that I plan on having the logo finished today.}}
{{DTN|time=01:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Sounds good! I'm excited to see it!}}
{{DTN|time=22:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)|text=So, it's been awhile. I'm not trying to rush you, GS, but is the logo ready yet? I think that we were hoping to have it ready by September so we could have that countdown going for at least a month.}}
{{GS|time=16:52, September 1, 2009 (UTC)|text=I want to get this done today, but every attempt I make at getting the logo done right fails.  Here's what I've got.}}

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/coconut_express/KHWikiLogo5.png

{{GS|time=16:52, September 1, 2009 (UTC)|text=Two problems with it.  One, I can't get wiki written on it without it looking bad, and two, it looks too pink and not red enough for the layout.  I was thinking that maybe we could just use the red version of our current logo for now, but I don't know.}}
{{Xiggie|time=19:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)|talk=If it looks too pink, you just alter the colors! I just did that, and added 'Wiki' on it! The KH Font looked horrible, so I tried using some other fonts, and here are my top two:}}
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/KHWikiLogo.png 
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/KHWikiLogo2.png
{{Xiggie|time=19:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=I think that we should use a different font for the 'Wiki', like they did on the FF Wiki <sup>[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/b/bc/Wiki.png]</sup>}}
{{DTN|time=21:26, September 2, 2009 (UTC)|text=Sounds like a plan. I think that either will work, so let's just pick one and set up the theme! We need to get this set up; it's already September!}}
{{yer mom|time=04:09, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm beginning to think the word wiki is just not meant to be in a KH logo xD! I like the font in the first logo but somehow I like the second's logo font color better, yes I r ebil. But DTN is right, we should add this ASAP, including that countdown. I'm thinking that's admin job though, as if someone else tried (*cough*me*cough) might end up rooning the coding D8 (that, and I think it's protected? idk)}}
{{GS|time=04:54, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=Hey Xiggie, would you mind giving me the logo in red but without 'wiki' written on it?}}
{{Xiggie|time=16:35, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|talk=here you go:}}
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/KHWikiLogoRed.png
{{firaga44|happy=i like xiggie's one the best}}
{{GS|time=19:42, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=I want to try something, to see what you guys think.  If you dislike it, it doesn't have to be permanent, but it's already September and I think I should give this a shot.}}
{{Xiggie|time=20:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|talk=I like the red skin... but shouldn't we use the image we were working with?

Anyway, may I (or someone else) update the main page? (based off [[User:Azul81677/Main_Page|Azul's concept]])}}
{{GS|time=20:20, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=I was going to use it, but everything just looks too red.  The image is better in color.

I think it looks good like this.  If you think we should add the title, then I guess we should, but it isn't like we're going to be using that image forever, and you'd have to be a moron to not know that you're on the KH wiki.

Let's just leave it for a little while and see what people think.}}
{{Xiggie|time=20:24, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=EDIT CONFLICT x3

Ok, if you think so...

anyway, you shouldn't had just copied Azuls homepage concept! we've made some improvements to the page since Azul made that thing! (improvements such as the card-category thingy)}}}}

{{GS|time=20:30, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=I did make some changes.  I don't think we should use the card-categories, as the cards showed up in bad quality, and some of them were edited images.

Maybe you can be creative and think of a way to sort things using a Days inspired theme.}}
{{HOO|time=20:34, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=What about using Panel Images? They don't have to be as big as the cards in the last category box thing.}}
{{yer mom|time=20:36, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=Hate to put it this way but the card thing was something the community decided, you can't just change it without asking people's consent. Besides that, II think the red used is a bit bright but it's ok. The image as a log looks pretty and yes, someone would have to be pretty dumb to not notice they're in the KH wiki but the point of having a logo was to identify the wiki in other sites and maybe use it as our affiliates button no? 

Edit conflicted x.x}}
{{ghostboy3000|text= I just got back from school and I like the new wiki layout 8D}}
{{GS|time=20:42, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=Sorry, I was away when the card-category thing was decided, so I didn't know it was a community decision.  It can easily be fixed.

Going on to the logo not having a title, like I already said, this is a temporary logo, not our official site logo.  By the time we get a good logo with the writing on it, it'll be time to remove the layout.  I'm sorry if this isn't what you expected, but everyone wants this done, and I'm trying my best with the time I have.}}
{{Xiggie|time=20:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|happy=EDIT conflict... one more and I'll go insane and kill someone!

I think that we should keep the card thingy, but use gear sprites instead of the cards!

So, should I hop to it?}}

{{yer mom|time=20:50, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=We shouldn't have procrastinated so much *cries* 

ANYWAYZ... if you put it that way I guess it's fine, I just don't like to see the work you put in creating the logo go unnoticed and just use a days artwork image. About the gears thing well the sprites are so tiny that I don't know if they could be used for icons without them going all pixel-ified, but if Xiggie can make it work then I'd like to see it ^^}}

{{GS|time=20:56, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=What about using Org. cards?

And yeah, all of that work towards getting a logo might go unnoticed, but I'm happy that we at least have something ready that's reasonable.  We've been trying to figure this out all month.}}
{{EO|time=21:04, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=Please tell me you at least plan to use the Wiki's name in the Logo (even though you can pretty much figure it out w/out one)? Also, by "Org. Cards", do you mean the enemy cards?}}
{{Xiggie|time=21:08, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|talk=OK; I'm done! the images looked too tiny normal sized so I double sized them, and I think that they look alright... do you guys?

anyway, Org, mugshots are not a bad idea, and neither are the Days card thingys...}}
{{GS|time=21:45, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|text=We don't have a logo that looks good with the layout with the title written on it, EO.  Not much I can do about that.}}
{{EO|time=21:59, September 3, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Well, as GS saw, even though he likes the Gears better, I made a layout idea w/ the Org. XII's enemy cards. Here's an example. Click on the Number link... 

[[http://s932.photobucket.com/albums/ad165/KH-Wiki/?action=view&current=WikiLayoutIdea.jpg]]}}
{{KrytenKoro|emotion=ohwell|What I was talking about earlier was, why can't we do something like this?
[[File:KHWikiLogoRed samp.png]]

(Obviously would need professional doing, as paint bleeds through in the middle of the letters, and the "wiki" bit is too low.)
}}
{{KrytenKoro|When did we change the menu icons? Personally, they seem completely random, so they don't really help.}}
{{GS|time=02:54, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=Everything just looks too red with an all red logo.  I could try it I suppose, but I thought it looked pretty bad when I put it together on paint.}}
{{GS|time=03:00, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=Oh, it actually doesn't look too bad on here.}}
{{GS|time=03:24, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=On second thought, I can't get used to this.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Could we maybe use the Destiny Island version of the logo, but with the "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" pasted over the top and bottom?}}
{{GS|time=03:38, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=I can get that done, just wait until tomorrow.}}
{{Xiggie|time=19:05, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=just an idea: how about using the logo we were previously working on, but in color? I tested it (with [http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/WikiNew.png this one] I made), and you can view the result [http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/Xiggie2/Mylogo.png here]!

I think that it looks good :D}}
{{GS|time=19:15, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=Wow, great job Xiggie.

If only we could get 'wiki' written in there without ruining how awesome it looks.}}
{{yer mom|time=20:31, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=Ah the new logo looks so pretty, even without the wiki written on it. And since it's temprary we could always let that little fact slip by xD! The gears look pretty good too Xiggie ♥.

Speaking of other thing, I remember in the old discussion something about adding a random quote thing, is it still a go or a no go?}}
{{Xiggie|time=21:19, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|talk=Thank you :D

Anyway, I vote ''yes''' on the random quote thing. It could look something like this:}}

<div style="border:1px solid #aaaaaa; -moz-border-radius:10px; margin-top:10px; padding:7px; float:right;" width="30%">
<h3 style="padding:5px; background-color:#CC0000; -moz-border-radius: 7px; color:white; text-align:center;">Random Quote of the Moment</h3>
<center><choose>
<option>''{{Q|I'm creating a brand new world, one heart at a time.|[[Xemnas]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Have you been a good boy? Oh, it sounds like you haven't!|[[Xigbar]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Feed your anger! Only anger will keep you strong.|[[Xaldin]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Pity to be so ignorant. As you're only able to see the surface of things, I should not expect you to appreciate my true might.|[[Vexen]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|You're capable of controlling the darkness. Cast away your useless fear. Open your heart. Embrace the darkness.|[[Lexaeus]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Surely you must've known that this was going to happen.|[[Zexion]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Are you angry? Do you hate me? Then, take that rage, and direct it at the Heartless!|[[Saïx]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Got it Memorized?|[[Axel]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Run! Run away!|[[Demyx]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|I'd rather we just skip the formalities.|[[Luxord]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|To lose and claim anew, or to claim anew only to lose...|[[Marluxia]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|More pain for you means more fun for me!|[[Larxene]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|I think I understand. I see myself the way you remember me, and you see yourself the way I remember you.|[[Roxas]]}}''</option>
<option>''{{Q|Who am I?|[[Xion]]}}''</option>
</choose></center>
</div>

{{Xiggie|time=21:19, September 4, 2009 (UTC)|text=it shows a random quote from one of the Organization members. how is it?}}