Editing Forum:Magazine and Podcast!

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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike!

As part of '''"MegaProject: Arise"''' (our new project that aims to re-establish a flourishing community), we've decided to revive the magazine and podcast ideas (see [[User:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest|this]] and it's talk page)! this forum will be where the Keyhole and KHWiki.com can both discuss how we'll go about making them. Here's what we've decided already:
*The magazine and podcast will be side-by-side with each complementing the other.
*A new issue will be released every three months.
*The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file.
*The magazine will contain a cover, contents page, summary of what's been happening in KHWiki.com for the past three months, summary of what's been happening in The Keyhole for the past three months, KH news report and a page with a link to the podcast with perhaps a summary.
**The magazine's focus will be the community and interactive pages.
*The podcast will contain a KH news report, Wiki news report and fan discussions (e.g. theories, explanations, speculation etc.)
**Side note: The topic of time travel will be a lengthy talk!
We still have yet to decide a number of things however! Here's what we need to figure out:
*For the magazine: What pages should we have? Who can write the coding?
*For the podcast: What other bits can it have? How long should it be? Who can take part in making it?
So let's discuss!}}

==Magazine Discussion==
===Sign-Up===
Please sign your name under your desired post along with a quick summary of what you will do for the page.
<small>Note: The users in control of these posts will likely alternate after each issue (except perhaps the executive editor and coder). Also, multiple editors may share one post and one user can have multiple posts so don't feel put off when someone else already signed up for a post you wanted. Maybe your ideas can be merged or your idea can be done next time!</small>

*'''Executive Editor:''' Oversees the entire process, available to help users writing the articles if needed, and hosts the mailbag.

*'''News Reporters''': Writes news for Wikis and KH.
**Cause I handle the Journal on the wikia, I can also write up the news section for the KH series. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 14:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Coders:''' Runs the template and ensures it is working correctly.
**I can make the main coding and the variables for putting the content. I can also help the other editors formatting the topics as they want. E.G.: changing text and background color, adding margins, borders and things like that
**{{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}}

*'''Special Editor:''' Writes the Special Editor Page.

*'''Wiki Helpers:'''' Writes the Dive to the Heart.
**The several types of links: <nowiki>[[One]] [Two] and {{Three}}</nowiki> {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}

*'''Interviewers:''' Writes up the Round Room and perhaps user interviews for the User Page.

*'''Reviewer:''' Writes a review and "Top 5 List" for the User Page.
**I'd like to just do the Top 5 list (best magic commands in Re:coded). {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}

*'''Puzzlers:''' Makes the Game Grid.

*'''Artists:''' Draws the front cover and a piece of fanart for Namine's Sketchbook.

*'''Proof Reader:''' Double checks all other pieces.
**If you guys are still looking for someone to do this, I'd be happy to help. {{User:RoxasNobody/sig}}
===Discussion===
''See [[Forum talk:Magazine and Podcast!]]''

===Crunch Time===
''See [[Forum talk:Magazine and Podcast!]]''

====Final Publication Details====

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:46, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Couple things.
*'''Coliseum''': Made the change to the font color for the Mirage Arena section. For the battle, do we want to use official renders to represent the users, or should we use avatar-style images, like what we might use for our talk bubbles (albeit slightly bigger and more representative)? Perhaps something in the area of the avatars we use on the staff pages on both sites, or what we might use if we were on the Keyhole. Just a suggestion/thought, feel free to reject it.
*'''Flick Rush/Keyblade Master''': What I present to you now is a solution to the question regarding the empty space on Flick Rush where the winners would be. Using an if-statement, I was able to hide the box unless the parameter {{{flickrushtodolistwinners}}} is filled. The same can be done to additional sections of the Keyblade Master page, if we want to.
*'''Location''': Two: the magazine and the template. Which is better for the magazine: [[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1 Quarter 3]] or [[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1]]? In the first, the title says Issue 1 is the first year of publication, Quarter 3 is the date. The latter tell us the publication order (in this case, Issue 1 for the first publication). Or other ideas? Personally, I prefer the latter option, though FR had originally suggested the first. Also, I think [[Template:Magazine]] is a good location for the magazine template.
*'''To-Do List''': Couple questions on this. First, by Trinity Archives, FM, do you mean Ansem's Report? Because I don't think you'd want one person to write just one section of a page (The Door to Light). I've already signed-up for both Ansem's Report and The Door to Light, unless someone wants one (or both), in which case I'll be glad to hand it over. Also, the poll I think has been taken care of by Chain already.
*'''Awards''': Looking back, we've said we would give awards (an accolade) for winners of The Grid and Flick Rush. Should we still do this? Has anyone developed these awards yet? If not, I can do it, just tell me what kind of concept you guys have for them. I feel we shouldn't do awards for The Grid, unless the puzzles are noticeably harder that they require actual effort in solving them.
*'''Going Forward''': Several things here. First, I've re-written [[KHWiki:Magazine|<font color=#FFFFFF>KHWiki:Magazine</font>]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|<font color=#FFFFFF>KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot</font>]]. Are they okay? I'm hoping this is more organized than before, and that it, above all, is more effective in helping people contribute and get involved on the magazine and, more importantly, the wiki. I left the edit count requirement of 100 mainspace edits because we have not decided on this definitively. Once again, I feel that this should be a fairly easy community project to get involved in, and the edit count should be used in such a way that it encourages getting involved on the wiki without it becoming a hindrance to getting involved. Consider it the first step in our existing system of "Community Involvement" of items that require edit counts, including voting in Featured Articles/Media/User and Voting in the Mirage Arena. Again, I agree that an edit count is necessary to encourage voting. Perhaps a better number is 250 edits in general? Or something to the liking. Regarding [[KHWiki:Magazine|<font color=#FFFFFF>KHWiki:Magazine</font>]], I've reduced it to being a hub to the existing magazine issue and previous issues. I feel that this is enough for the page that should serve as an introduction to the Wiki's Magazine. Should we create a section for the Magazine on the Main Page? If you check out the Magazine page, there is a description and a smaller image of the cover under the section "Current Issue", which I feel would do great as a section on the Main Page, were we to do it. Finally, I think we need to Journalist Spot? I feel we should (plus, I think we have a policy that says we should). Do we do that at publication, or at some other date (a week before publication, a day after publication, two weeks, a month, what)?

We are t-minus four days to submission and eight days to publication! Really excited for this!
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{{UnknownChaser|time=02:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|yellow=I am posting here, because this seems like the right place too and everywhere else looks too much like a cluster. Podcast is finish, both audio wise and video.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=That's great, UC. I think the podcast has to be uploaded to the wiki, I just don't know if there's a specific file name we might want for the podcast. As for the video, I don't know, our YouTube channel, I guess. Then, I think we're submitting everything (In this case, just links to the file and video) to the Editor in Chief by emailing it to the wiki's email. And he will plug it all in to the magazine. Am I right?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)|default=So:
*I meant "Ansem Reports" and I didn't realise the poll on the template was the real deal.
*We still have six days 'til release. Renaming the Station of Awakening is really just making another title image (and perhaps renaming some coding parameters but that's no problem). Also, I still think the title should be "The Games" since it's most recognisable and nostalgic to the KH fans. And as the proverb goes: “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.”
*I really think the big boxes for the Station of Awakening should have images that represent the debate subjects. The talk bubble sprites are enough representation for the users. When I first saw the arena, I was confused with Namine and Axel being in the boxes while the title said "Defense Bonus vs Strength Bonus".
*If ENX's mini-series becomes a consistent trend, he should get his own section and title image.
*Sure. If statements are cool.
*This is the naming schema me and Erry talked about over the IRC. For the "KHWiki:Magazine" page, the list of issues will be like this: "Issue #1 <small>(2014 Q3)</small>" For the articles themselves, they would be named "KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1", "KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 2" and so on. The template would be called "Template:Magazine". If we have a new template, it'd replace the "Template:Magazine" page and the old template will be moved to a new page, titled "Template:Magazine/Issue 1" or "Template:Magazine/Issue 1-3". Then, we'll replace the links for the templates on the old issues. Sound good?
*The KHWiki:Magazine page is okay.

-Break-

I'll make a couple of minor changes to the Journalist Spot. On the KHWiki, the edit requirements currently stand at:
*'''Featured Content''': 200
*'''Trinity Archives''': 250
*'''Mirage Arena''': 130
These are all in the mainspace. I actually think we should re-adjust these amounts and promote them as rewards or privileges for editing. More interesting things will demand more edits so it's a smooth level of progression. Limiting the edits to the mainspace is unfair for those working on community projects, templates or image-related work so I think we should measure with an overall total. This is my plan for edit requirements:
*'''Mirage Arena''': 150
*'''Featured Content''': 200
*'''Magazine''': 250
*'''Trinity Archives''': 300
However, I'm aware that there is less work (or at least not as easily accessible to do) on the Keyhole. So regarding the magazine, we could have it so that the users will require either 250 total edits at the KHWiki '''or''' x amount of edits on the Keyhole. Hopefully, that keeps things fair as the Keyhole editors can choose the limit they want.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Template has been moved, links and pages renamed. It's ready for input!

Some issues/responses:
I agree with everything FM has said.

One issue: do we want to/are we allowed to upload the title images and magazine cover images to the wiki, or not? If not, I think it best to at least host them all on the wiki's Photobucket account or something, so as to not risk losing any of them should one of us suddenly disappear.

All is about ready. I've submitted Ansem's Report, so that part is finished now, too.
}}
{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|xemnas=Okay, so since we have less than a week to go, and this forum hasn't been touched for a bit, I'm gonna revive it. Here's a list of the things I need from you people.
*Page 2 (Contents): Apparently there's supposed to be a collage image? The current placeholder is the Donald Duck image. I would like to have... whatever this is. I'm not quite sure of what it's really supposed to look like, but anything will do. 
*Page 4 (Unlocking The Keyhole): Everything on this page. That includes users log, deletion log, other log, news from Jiminy's Journal, 4 new users with bios and tea party updates.
*Page 6 (The Coliseum): I need 2 users to go fight about something.<s>Keep the blood to a minimum.</s>
*Page 7 (The Keyblade Master): So from what I understand, MEX is going to do one thing for his mini-series, but we need one more person to do/say something. (If we are only doing 2 users per issue)
*Page 9 (The Round room): I need the youtube password from erry.
*Page 12 (The Grid): One more riddle.
*Page 13 (Flick Rush): Someone who is willing to answer mailbox questions. If it comes down to it, I'll just do it.)

Besides those things, I believe everything else is ready and set!}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:57, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|sad=The collage was supposed to be an assortment of images that summarises the magazine. For example, you could choose an image from the Ansem Reports, something from the Keyblade Master, a thumbnail from Namine's Sketchbook and a contender from the Coliseum. That's the idea.

Me and Pea are working on the Coliseum.

Actually, ENX doing his mini-series and MEX is going to do the main article. However, ENX said that he'll only have time to write a "trailer" to promote his series for when he can start it off properly next time. But he went on holiday on Thursday and he hasn't posted his trailer yet so I'm not sure if we can include his mini-series this issue... I'll remind MEX to email his submission.

We don't have a mailbox this issue so we should think of something to put as a placeholder...}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=17:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=If ENX can't do anything at all this time around, I can hide the second box, if we want to. Unless someone else wants to do something...

We kinda do have a mailbox, in the sense that some of us threw in a couple questions just to fill it up (and by a couple, I mean I sent a full Word document with questions).

Again, can we do anything about the images? Or do they stay in everyone's photobucket/Google Plus/whatever accounts?
}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)|default=I guess it's safer to upload the images to a Wiki account. If we make our own questions for the mailbox, they should be something jokey and humorous to keep things light-hearted. Also, me and Pea finished the debate.

And to the Keyhole people: What edit count requirement do you want to use the Journalist Spot?}}

{{FinalRest|time=04:09, 27 June 2014 (UTC)|normal=I did the winners title.

'''Keyblade Master:''' The idea was it for to be central article of the mag. For instance, how a magazine like [http://www.geeksplode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/TIME-Magazine-cover-November-14-2011.jpg this] will have a lot of different content, but the feature piece is the "Identity and the Modern Hero" article. That was the intention for the KM. But I guess we don't have time to discuss it anymore, so go ahead with what your plans for it are. Does anyone (preferably ENX) have an idea for the title of his section? I can whip one up, but I'm not really sure what theme to make it.

'''Coliseum:''' Changed the SoA name to the Games. I did it before I saw KSM's suggestion for a different name, sorry. :P Do you want something other than "The Games"? I can change it, no problem. For the images in the Games, I thought the users could use whatever they wanted, but it would be preferable for it to be in sprite form. If you're talking about the images in the VS box, they're supposed to be of the contents of the battle (eg. in FM's one it'd be a pic of Riku's Dark Form and Sora's Final Form in the other), but if there's nothing to properly represent the two points (as it was with the sample Defense/Strength battle) then we use the characters the debaters are using to represent themselves.

'''Flick Rush''': Genius idea with the if tag!

'''Location''': I'm cool with what FM suggested.

'''Awards''': If you want, I have a medal I made for the Featured Talker award on the Keyhole. Unfortunately we only did the award once and then had to scrap it because we didn't have a big enough userbase, so we could use it for these awards if you want to save the effort of making something new. [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/FeaturedTalkerMedalcopy_zpsf9b60d46.png Here's what it looks like]. And didn't we already decide against The Grid awards? That's why we implemented the hover answers, right?

'''Edit Count:''' The Journalist Spot looks great! I'm not a fan of edit counts, but if you want one, I'd prefer it either a) include total edits, not just mainspace or b) have one limit for total, with a very low number for mainspace (eg. 500 total edit count, 20 mainspace). I know 20 might seem like a super low number, but I'd like to include new users that would like to contribute things, even though they might not have found their place in the mainspace editing world yet. We have a few users like this on the Keyhole; I think they'd be good at things like riddles, or top 5 lists etc, but they've only just worked up the confidence to mainspace edit, so their counts are low.

'''Images:''' We allow all sorts of images on the Keyhole, so I can upload all the title images there. Until we get an answer for what we can do here, is it possible to use the links from the Keyhole?

'''Other:''' Yeah, we should just come up with our own questions for the mailbox. I'll do the collage image and the Unlocking the Keyhole now.

EDIT: I added in multiple author sections for the Keyblade Master, mailbox and to do list sections. Also, is regional spelling a problem? Eg. I spell it colour not color and categorise not categorize.

EDIT2: I moved the Top Five list into a single column, because I realized the interview won't fit in that small box, and having uneven boxes next to each other would look silly. However, I have the same problem with the mailbag/poll boxes. If all three questions in the mailbag require a bit of explanation, the mailbag column will be way longer and the empty space at the bottom of the poll box will look stupid. Does anyone have an idea for how we can move the boxes around so a large mailbox will look nice?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)|default=ENX isn't able to write his first piece for this issue so we can still discuss the matter of the Keyblade Master. I have no problem with giving ENX his own page but we should ask him whether he's sure that he can be reliable enough to deliver an advancement each issue.

The initial plan was to give prizes for The Grid, but then we decided against it later. Nice medal. In the circles, we could have a crown (for KHWiki), a lock (for the Keyhole) and a heart icon (for the games) to represent each of the different types of tasks.

Like I said before, people will have the requirement to '''either''' have 250 total edits on KHWiki or x amount of whatever edits the Keyhole decides. So the choice is really up to you guys, how many edits you want and whether you want mainspace only or total edits.

I wouldn't say regional spelling is a huge issue.

Will the review be equal to the top 5 list in length? We can always balance out the columns by adding more images.}}

{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 19:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)|normal=Actually, MEX emailed me his piece for this issue. But we could still use one more editor for this page.

We don't need much more. The only things we need are:
*One more person for the Keyblade Master page.
*The password for the youtube account. If I don't get it by July 1st, I'll just have to upload it onto the wiki until we can get the password.
*Any more art entries! The more the merrier!
*An official edit count for The Journalist Spot.

and if something happens where we don't have those things by July 1st, it's not the biggest problem. So what I'm trying to say is.. congrats guys. We have our first magazine. But just for fun I put a little something at the top of this forum.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|angry=Whee! Issue #1 is a go.

If we only have one piece for the KM, it's not a bad thing; it means we can go with FR's plan. Also, has the template been copied onto the Keyhole yet? Is the Keyhole advertising the magazine?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=There currently is no mention of the magazine on the Keyhole. If you guys need help over there, just tell us. I, for one, am ready to help.}}

I got the Keyhole handled. I'll advertise when the issue is actually out. I still need to know what images can be uploaded here. Oh, and we might wanna archive this page. :P {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 04:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the template, KSM. I just noticed I updated the wrong place as you made the edit. >_> I have made a [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Flick_Rush_Medal task medal] on the Keyhole, if someone wants to copy the coding over here. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Forum has been archived, though we may need a new forum to archive, 'cuz now the talk page needs archiving (that's where I put the archives to this forum). Also, I apologize, FR, for having forgotten to mention you in the Template:Magazine for your contributions, you truly deserve it. Regarding the Template, I guess we could copy it here. I don't see why not, just that people may not use it (they may just display it in the body of their userpage rather than with the template.}}

===Template Talk===
{{FinalRest|time=05:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=New section to keep the template separate from the article discussion. Also, I apologise in advance for the wall of text I know I'm about to type out.

So, as of yesterday, I have done all I can in regards to the coding of the template. I'm gonna go page by page and list the issues I see/changes I've made/opinions I need for what we have. Please take a look at [[User talk:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest#Test|the test run]] so you can take a look at what I'm referring to. :) Also note that I am referring to the template ONLY. In other words, if I say a page is done, I mean the code for the page, not the articles/other content within it.

;Cover + Contents
*Both pages are done and dusted
;Ansem Reports
*This isn't a necessity but I would still appreciate if someone could figure out how to space out the boxes a bit. Basically, I want the boxes to look like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/Untitled-1copy_zpse12589f2.png this].
*There's still no answer to how to add videos to the template. We can always just include links to trailers and things, but I think being able to include the proper videos would make the journal section (and any other sections with videos) much more visually pleasing.
;Unlocking the Keyhole
*Done
;The Door to Light
*Do ya'll want log sections to match the keyhole?
*Are you scrapping the Command Board section? Cause I'll cut it from the code if you are. :)
;The Coliseum
*Probably our most indecisive page. ;D First, I can't remember if the Recent Battles section was given the go ahead. What do you guys think of that section?
*Ah, the debated Coming Soon sections. We really need to come to final decision with these. I think I'm the only one that likes the images advertising the upcoming contestants, and the preferred method is the banner, right? Well I'm fine with just the same image for each issue, but I'd press for listing the contestants underneath the banners to give people a reason to click there. Basically, we need to click bait. Any ideas for how to do so?
*I spaced out the debate section of the page. Is the convo easy to follow?
*Also with the debate section, is there a way to implement the speech bubble codes into the main template? Not a biggie, but doing so would cut down the mag's article coding quite a bit.
;The Keyblade Master
*Done. All the personalized stuff will be left to whoever the KM is for the issue.
;Dive to the Heart
*Like with the Ansem page, I would like a gap between the boxes if possible.
;The Round Room
*Where are we hosting the audio and video? Let me know so I can add the correct codes in.
*Will the Podcast peeps be taking topic requests? Let me know if I have to add in a section for contact details. :)
*Should I add in a "Starring..." box? You know, a place to list all the people participating in the recording? Or will it be included under the In this episode box?
*Regardless of the outcome of the above, are avatars still going to be used to identify speakers in the video? If so, I'll make sure there's room in the template.
;Mark of Mastery Exam
*Done, I think.
;Naminé's Sketchbook
*Changed the colors a bit. Are they okay?
*I couldn't figure out how to get the boxes to hug the images. Can anyone help? I would like it to look more like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/2_zps35f26d2b.png this].
*Is all the art we feature on this page going to be from our editors? Or will we feature random fan art? Need to know for coding purposes. ^^
;The Grid
*So I added a little story into the Guess the Beast part, so it was a bit more dynamic than just "Guess the Beast". But it's hella cheesy. XP Feel free to make it... better.
*Riddles! I think we might want to include more. What do you think for a max number?
*The Grid looks barren and I think we need to add some more features. I looked at my original pitch for the page to get some ideas and these were the ideas we had:
:#A Puzzle. Like, a ''proper'' puzzle. Is there anyone here who knows how to make wordfinds or crosswords etc?
:#A KH Skit. The original thinking behind this was like a recurring comic, but in script form... or even if comic form, if someone was willing to whip that up. I was thinking of it being based around the same characters, with room for expansion to a bigger cast. We could do it on KH (The Adventures of Axel! Today's episode: The struggle with fire insurance) or maybe some editors could collaborate on their own adventures (Chainoffire and FinalRest in... Nose Punch III: Fisticuffs!) or even mix the two together (The Adventures of Axel! Today's episode: Why are those two idiots punching each other in the nose?)
:#A one shot voting arena for the readers to participate in in the comments... or talk page, I dunno. We could also use this one to advertise the next issue. For example, in a Namine VS Roxas battle, we could have whoever wins be featured on the next cover, or the subject of one of the next articles etc.
*Those are just the old ideas, so others are welcome. Long story short: we need something else for the Grid page, so it isn't so basic.
;Flick Rush
*Does the format for the mailbag look alright?
*Is the mailbag always going to be one question? Or multiple? If the latter, what is the max number?
*I changed the To Do Lists, to make the tasks smaller than the original ones set, as an example of what they should look like. The idea is that they're small, manageable tasks to encourage editing.
And that's all I've got! I really need opinions on all of the above, so I can put the template aside with the knowledge that we've done all we can to it. Oh, and feel free to comment on anything else you want to change/add. Finally, I apologise to all the editors whose names I've randomly chucked throughout the test. XD}}

I'm trying out some title banners for the pages. Please take a look at the test page and let me know what you think. :) {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 10:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, first of all, cool title banners. I wish I was that creative. They're just awesome.

I'm going to go into the pages that FR has highlighted as having problems.

'''Ansem Report''': Finished! I found the code needed , it's a code called "border-spacing". Feel free to play with it all you want. As far as the video(s), the problem was with the pipes (<nowiki>|</nowiki>) in the border code. I fixed it this morning as well. Technically (and I checked), you could just add a video without the border/titles, just the youtube parameters (<nowiki><youtube>YouTube URL here</youtube></nowiki>). It just looks less...appealing.

'''The Door to Light''': I feel like the Logs are out, except for the new users log. I also wish to have the Command Board back, but as FM noted, the contents of it are very redundant to the Trinity Archives. If we bring the Command Board Back, we'd have to get rid of the Trinity Archives. So, I don't know if we want it or not.

'''The Coliseum''': Again, I feel the Mirage Arena/Underdrome sections need to be reduced a bit, just not too much that they become filler sections or random, out-of-place sections. I really don't like a banner alone. It seems too simple and random.

'''Dive to the Heart''': Again, finished with the border spacing code.

'''The Round Room''': I really don't know much about the podcast, that seems to be something among the people doing it. Perhaps asking them (ChainofFire) would prove useful...

'''Naminé's Sketchbook''': I totally screwed up this page for, like, fifteen minutes. I couldn't get the boxes to hug the image, sorry. My idea (and maybe you can get it to work) is to have the image inside a one cell table inside the table that you coded. That way, the background of the inner, one-cell table would be filled in the yellow/pink gradient, and the background of the outer, existing table would be set to none, to seem transparent and non-existent, even though it's there. Just a thought, though, and it get complicated because it'd be an image within a table within a table within a tabber page designed/coded as another table. Really complicates things, especially with that stupid pipe (<nowiki>|</nowiki>) problem.

'''Guess the Beast''': Yeah, the story is really cheesy and childish, but I can't make it any better. As far as any other things, I'm open to most of it. The only thing I have a hard time seeing as lasting is the skit, just because I don't know if we can get enough people interested in writing one up. But if we can, why not? I can't come up with any other ideas at the moment.

'''Flick Rush''': I had wondered out loud (I think here or on the draft talk page) about how hard the poll extension would be to install. Again, not entirely sure I like having to go to polldaddy to make our polls, though I guess if we don't have a choice, it's fine. The mailbag looks great, I think a max number would be three.

Everything else looks great! Thanks so much on your help, FinalRest, it's really appreciated!}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 01:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|sad=My points:
*'''The Door to Light:''' Yeah, I think we're scrapping all the logs, except the New Users (and that already has its own section anyway). In terms of the Command Board, I got it wrong earlier. The Trinity Archives tells people news of Wiki affairs (i.e. new affiliations), while the Command Board tells people news about projects (such as Mega Project Arise) so we should have both on there.
*'''The Coliseum:''' See what I wrote above under the "Crunch Down" section.
*'''Round Room:''' A "Starring" bar sounds like a good idea. It could even become a "Meet the Cast" where each participant introduces themselves.
*'''Namines Sketchbook''': Ideally it should be our own fanart but if we're at a stretch, we can compile fanart (crediting the painters if needed)
*'''The Grid''': I liked the little story; I thought it was perfect! I think there should be enough riddles to fill the empty space in the box so an arbitrary amount. I could make a crossword but someone will have to help editing the image to make the background transparent and whatnot. I'm not sure the skit will work because it'd be hard making a comic for it (but if we do, it'd be more suited for Namine's Sketchbook). I don't think the voting arena is a good idea because we already have the Coliseum so we don't want any redundancy. Also, we need contact details for the Grid.

'''EDIT''': With the crossword, I made an [http://i.imgur.com/4ncMIYS.png example] but someone will need to edit the image to match the Grid style (transparent it, make the text more readable, perhaps recolour it). Is there anything I can do myself bearing in mind the best image editing program I have is MS paint?}}

{{FinalRest|time=17:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|normal4=I finished all the banners! Are there any you want changed? Let me know what you think would be better and I'll whip it up. If there are no problems with the banners, should I upload them here? If I do, what category should they go under?

'''Ansem Report''': *Smothers KSM in hugs* Thanks so much for fixing those! It's always good to have a fresh pair of eyes. ^_^

'''The Door to Light''': Okay, no logs for you. :) I think you can just use the Trinity Archives for the Command Board stuff, because if the command board is for project updates, then that falls under wiki news. But if the command board is just a list of all the projects and you guys really want a section for that, then I think we should add that section to Flick Rush, under the to do lists. Also, I'm not sure who did the title logo for Door to Light, but could you please make it so the words fit on one line and up the size to 90 pixels high? Please and thank you!

'''Naminé's Sketchbook''': I tried messing around with your idea, KSM, but also had no luck... For the Sketchbook, I also read that the original idea was for it to display ''all'' creative things our editors have been working on. For example, we could include talk bubbles people are proud of, or if the wiki gets a change of skin we can showcase that. Or should we limit it to art only?

'''Round Room:''' Okay then, could someone involved in the podcast tell me if a) there's a max number of cast members per episode and b) if you'd want to write bios (which I think is a fun idea).

'''Mark of Mastery''': Should we put contact details here for people to suggest ideas for Top 5 or Reviews? Ditto for the Coliseum, but in regards to the debate.

'''The Grid''': Haha, I read KSM's comment and was going to try and rewrite it, but if you like it FM, I'll leave it. ^_^ I upped the riddle count to 5, so it fills the box more. And yay for crosswords! What are we thinking for the puzzle section name? And the puzzle makes the page much more interesting. We can store away those other ideas for the future. :) Now, I know we are offering rewards for the to do lists, but do we want to do them for the Grid? We could simplify the process by just creating hover links to reveal the answers.

'''Flick Rush''': I upped the mailbox count to three! For the to do lists, is proof necessary for the game tasks? I think it might be easier to go on good faith, although proof is needed for the wiki tasks, of course. Also, where are we going to list the people who earned medals? To code an winners box into the mag would mean there'd be an empty box in the first issue. What about putting them in the first box in the Ansem Reports page? Prime real estate to encourage other users...

The magazine's looking great! You guys have been awesome! :D

Also, I apologise because I am forever writing essays on this page. >_<}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|default=*Yeah, I don't really mind joining the command board and trinity archives together. 
*I think any "creative" pieces sounds good for namine's sketchbook.
*I don't think we should add contact details for top 5 and review cos it'd be better if the editors think of their own original ideas. 
*I think we should do the hoverlinks.
*We can try going on good faith for the first issue.
*With the box, I think we shouldn't worry about it for now. It's inevitable the template will change sometime in the future when we have new ideas so don't worry about the future templates affecting the older archives; we can always archive templates and change links and whatnot.
<small>Now I really need to sleep :P</small>}}
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I agree with what FM has said above. Specifically regarding the contact details, I think that is easily addressed with the talk page. Viewers can simply give suggestions on the talk page for other battles, since FR mentioned the Coliseum. But for the Top 5 and Review, it should be just the editors' own ideas.
*How are the hoverlinks going to work for the crossword?
*Regarding the name, the puzzle section could simply be named "The Light Cycle", since it's Tron-related, and it reminds me of the Light Cycle from Space Paranoids in ''Kingdom Hearts II''.
*I'll get on the image for the Door to Light. Now that I've seen your images, I've been inspired a little on how to do it. The same for the Light Cycle, if you want.
*Regarding the story: Again, I can't make it any better, so keep it! 
I think that's it!}}
{{FinalRest|time=04:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Okay, I'll add in hoverlinks now!

For the crossword, we'll have to make two versions: one with empty boxes, another with the filled in answers. Then we can link the completed puzzle underneath so people can check their work. If the crossword on there now is the one we'll use upon release, can whoever made it (I think it might've been MEX, but I'm not sure ;P) make another version with the answers written in? Also for the Crossword, could we put the clues in normal text so it's easier to read? Oh, and should these sorts of puzzles have a print out version? I'm not sure how we'd do that, though.

I'll add in a winner's box now, then!

The Light Cycle is a great name! You can go ahead and make the title if you want, but I'm here if you want me to do it. :)

EDIT: How do the hovers look? And is someone on top of the userpage medal for completing the tasks?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=With the crossword, instead of making a second version with filled in answers, we could alternatively add the answers by adding hoverlinks over each clue. However, if we do that, we need to cut the text from the image and write out the text in wikicode so it's equally preferable to stick with linking to a filled-in version. The clues would be better off in normal text. We could do a print out version by linking to an image that has the right dimensions and is black and white (I'm sure there's a more sophisticated/better way of doing it though).

And really, what do people think about dropping the "Station of Awakening" name still? If we must have a section name, should we change it to "The Games" to stick with the Coliseum theme?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=21:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, I'm out as far as the crossword goes. I don't know how we'd do it, as far as the answers go. Maybe put a link to them in the following issue, like other magazines often do? I'm fine with whatever you guys decide regarding that.

I'm also okay with dropping the Station of Awakening name, if you guys choose to do so.}}

{{UnknownChaser|time=05:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|white=I don't where to bring this up, but this seems to be the right place. But for the page with the Round Room,theres needs to be a section to be put a [http://roosterteeth.com/podcast/episode.php?id=267 link dump/show notes].}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, I'll add that tomorrow, unless someone else beats me to it. 

'''Sidenote:'''Anyone notice when someone adds a talk bubble, for some reason, all the talk bubbles after FM's first talk bubble in the Template Talk section is turned back to links? It hasn't done it to me, yet, but it's done it to FM's edit and UC's edit. And then it fixes it without having to do anything more than just clicking "Edit" and then "Save Page", with no changes. Someone ought to get on that.

'''EDIT''': Well, now it did it to me...}}

"Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included." So that explains much of what's missing on the page [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 05:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

*KSM:That means this page needs to be archived.
Chaser: There is already a description sections on the roundroom page, we'll put it there. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

{{UnknownChaser|time=16:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|white=Description =/= Show notes. The description is there to describe what we're talking about; i.e "''On this week, we talk about blank and blank...''"

Show notes/link dump is there for us to put links to the discussion we talk about. A good example of descriptions and show note is with the [http://superbestfriendcast.com/ superbesfriendcast].}}

==Podcast Discussion==
===Sign-Up===
''Sign your name here if you want to take part!''
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===Discussion===
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Discuss!}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 04:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|normal="How long should it be?"
I'd say no more than an hour and a half, any longer than that then people would lose interest.

"Who can take part in making it?"
I'd say we have no more than 5 people per podcast, but if we get a lot of people sign up, then we could rotate the people in each podcast based on availability and/or interest of topic.

Would the be hosted over Skype, G+, or some other program?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Five people per podcast sounds okay but the problem will be getting enough people to sign up! I'm not sure what program it would be hosted over; that's probably something all the people who sign up should decide afterwards. Also, I remember Chaser saying he was interested in doing visuals for the podcast so we could release a version on our YouTube channel too (or even replace the .ogg with it).}}
:5 people is too much of a cluster to do, even with visuals going on (also, I'm too lazy to edit that much visuals), especially with audio-only podcast. Most podcast are done with 3/4 people so that its easier to hear whats being said. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
::Alright, but so far we only have one person able to do the podcast. Anyone else who can do it? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Visually speaking (depending on how lazy I'm gonna be when I edit this), and using me, FM, Ek, and Cof as example and that me and Cof are the one that are currently speaking, the podcast visual should look something like [http://i.imgur.com/wSo0p0L.png this]. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Would it be possible to have the names besides each wavelength so that the viewer can match name-to-voice easier? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Over the IRC, UC explained to me that doing the visuals would take a lot of work since you'd be listening to the podcast for half an hour, figuring out who's speaking at each second and animating their wavelength. I think we should plan a podcast, record it and see how tedious it is to make the visual. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like a good idea. Another idea is to have the pictures on the side next to the wavelengths so it's a bit clearer. Not sure what'd happen to the logo though. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 03:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
::Typing "<nowiki>:</nowiki>" over and over is getting to be a pain ಠ_ಠ  Also I did do another [http://i.imgur.com/cWmM0jG.png layout] for the podacast thats more easier to understand. Also, also Cof to answer your question about G+ vs Skype. G+ will record your hangout and make it ready for upload, but you cant edit the video. While with Skype you would have to edit the thing and upload it. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

:::Just gonna stick my nose in here and say that that layout looks great, UC. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

:Another topic: what is the podcast going to be rated? Is this going to be PG-13 or are we going to have to keep it PG? I'm sure minor swear words will slip out, but would we bleep/edit those out in the event that someone does accidentally say something? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
::Considering this will still be a representation of the Wiki, I think it should use the same rules and standards as appropriate here (except obviously more informal), meaning it won't be like the IRC. About bleeping out words, I'd think that'd only be necessary if it's actually vulgar language. I don't know about you guys but in my eyes, words like "damn" and "hell" aren't exactly "swear words". {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
:::I say we make it PG13, thats what most podcast's tend to be around. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
::::That seems fair. We should probably give out a spoiler warning and a PG-13 warning at the beginning of the podcast then. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 22:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:So do we want to have a day to test this out then? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 02:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Update: so it look like we won't be able to do fancy audio visualizer, only because my computer can't run the damn thing, because its old. Also, the programs to make the audio wavelength is not compatible with my editing program and I'l too lazy to find the correct version. So my new idea is that we have a basic background with each person icon lighting up whenever someone talks. Also, also, everyone is gonna need to have their own microphone to capture high quality audio for me to edit with. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 12:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

===Agenda===
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|default=Would this be an okay structure?:
*'''Introduction''': What the podcast is, who everyone is etc. (2-3 minutes)
*'''KH2.5 Discussion''': Talk about its features and discuss your expectations, opinions etc. (5 minutes)
*'''KH3 Discussion''': Talk about its features and release date and discuss your expectations, impressions opinions, mechanics, story speculation, theories, reactions to E3 etc. (10 minutes)
*'''KHX Discussion''': Talk about the game, whether you like it or not, how easy the Japanese is to bear etc. (5 minutes)
*'''KH3D Discussion''': Time travel discussion: How it works, any problems with inconsistency, clarifying any confusion etc. (5 minutes)
*'''After KH3''': Thoughts, ideas and hopes. (5 minutes)
*'''Wiki Discussion''': Thoughts about the new projects, current happenings, users that have left, excitements and concerns etc. (5-10 minutes)
*'''Conclusion''': End podcast. (1 minute)
This structure would set up a podcast that'd be over half an hour. If every participant prepares their theories and speculation beforehand, hopefully the conversation won't dry up halfway before the allotted time. Also, if you record it after all the E3 news, there should be enough "juice" to run on. The structure will also require a chairman to transit between topics by saying things like "So that's KH2.5 discussed, let's talk about KH3...". How's that sound?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=00:59, 3 June 2014 (UTC)|text=Ok, I won't be a part of this, I choose not to. However, I have a suggestion: An agenda where people could suggest topics to discuss, similar to the Roundtable agenda. The difference would be that the people doing the podcast would decide which couple topics to discuss beforehand (five-ten days, maybe more, before recording), rather than deciding right during the recording the way we might choose at the Roundtable to dismiss a topic. Just a thought. For the first one, I really like the topics, and can't wait to see the result.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)|Yeah, that's what I had planned. Even though I'm not taking part in the podcast, I wanted to offer my agenda ideas as a starting point for the actual participants.}}

5 Minutes wouldn't be enough time to cover some of those topics without the podcast sounding too rushed. The four of us have already come up with our own agenda, we would run the podcast to be 45-60ish minutes. But those are good ideas, I've based some new ones off of the agenda. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 04:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
:Okay, that's cool. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)