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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike!

As part of '''"MegaProject: Arise"''' (our new project that aims to re-establish a flourishing community), we've decided to revive the magazine and podcast ideas (see [[User:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest|this]] and it's talk page)! this forum will be where the Keyhole and KHWiki.com can both discuss how we'll go about making them. Here's what we've decided already:
*The magazine and podcast will be side-by-side with each complementing the other.
*A new issue will be released every three months.
*The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file.
*The magazine will contain a cover, contents page, summary of what's been happening in KHWiki.com for the past three months, summary of what's been happening in The Keyhole for the past three months, KH news report and a page with a link to the podcast with perhaps a summary.
**The magazine's focus will be the community and interactive pages.
*The podcast will contain a KH news report, Wiki news report and fan discussions (e.g. theories, explanations, speculation etc.)
**Side note: The topic of time travel will be a lengthy talk!
We still have yet to decide a number of things however! Here's what we need to figure out:
*For the magazine: What pages should we have? Who can write the coding?
*For the podcast: What other bits can it have? How long should it be? Who can take part in making it?
So let's discuss!}}

==Magazine Discussion==
===Sign-Up===
Please sign your name under your desired post along with a quick summary of what you will do for the page.
<small>Note: The users in control of these posts will likely alternate after each issue (except perhaps the executive editor and coder). Also, multiple editors may share one post and one user can have multiple posts so don't feel put off when someone else already signed up for a post you wanted. Maybe your ideas can be merged or your idea can be done next time!</small>

*'''Executive Editor:''' Oversees the entire process, available to help users writing the articles if needed, and hosts the mailbag.

*'''News Reporters''': Writes news for Wikis and KH.
**Cause I handle the Journal on the wikia, I can also write up the news section for the KH series. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 14:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Coders:''' Runs the template and ensures it is working correctly.
**I can make the main coding and the variables for putting the content. I can also help the other editors formatting the topics as they want. E.G.: changing text and background color, adding margins, borders and things like that
**{{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}}

*'''Special Editor:''' Writes the Special Editor Page.

*'''Wiki Helpers:'''' Writes the Dive to the Heart.
**The several types of links: <nowiki>[[One]] [Two] and {{Three}}</nowiki> {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}

*'''Interviewers:''' Writes up the Round Room and perhaps user interviews for the User Page.

*'''Reviewer:''' Writes a review and "Top 5 List" for the User Page.
**I'd like to just do the Top 5 list (best magic commands in Re:coded). {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}

*'''Puzzlers:''' Makes the Game Grid.

*'''Artists:''' Draws the front cover and a piece of fanart for Namine's Sketchbook.

*'''Proof Reader:''' Double checks all other pieces.

===Discussion===
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Here's the pages I think we should keep for the magazine, aside from the cover, contents, and three news pages (one for KH, two for both Wikis). Note that I don't think the magazine should include Featured Articles since they have their own dedicated sections on the Wiki anyway.
*Special Editor Page: Topic and writer changes entirely from issue to issue (e.g. in one edition it could be a theory while in another, it could be an analysis of all Sora's costumes) FinalRest came up with this idea.
*Dive to the Heart: FinalRest came up with an idea of a game tutorial and a wiki tutorial, however considering we have a Wiki's worth of information (and we even have walkthroughs now!) the game tutorial will be pointless. We should probably focus on the wiki tutorial (e.g. customising talk bubbles or different ways of linking)
*Round Room: FinalRest's idea of a staff roundtable with quotations and dialogue between staff. What conversation topics could we have, though?
*User Page (unnamed): FR's idea. It will contain a user interview (about what, we need to figure out), top 5 list (e.g. top five magic commands) and a review, which doesn't always have to be about games. We have other topics too like mangas, battle abilities and gameplay mechanics.
*The Game Grid: FR's idea: place for puzzles and riddles. I think we could perhaps host competitions around them and give out accolades to the winner.
*Interactive Page: FR's idea: it would have a mailbag and FR also had ideas of "5 tasks for khwiki.com", "5 tasks for the Keyhole" and "5 tasks for KH games". I don't entirely understand what those would be so perhaps we should replace it with a poll.

So what do you think guys? We need everyone's opinions and ideas so this project doesn't die out again!}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=02:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|text=I think for the Interactive Page, FR might have meant 5 tasks that we want users to do for the KHWiki, 5 tasks needed for the Keyhole, and 5 challenges to do in "X" game(s), where X is any or many of the Kingdom Hearts games. By the way, just thought we should have an area for people to sign-up for the magazine.}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 03:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|xemnas=I was wondering what happened to this project. Maybe we could have a page (or fit somewhere on the page) with a user's fanart. (KH-universe related of course.) There would have to be a few rules in place, but if someone wants to submit a drawing of Sora or something, there could be a user that would take submissions through email, and put it in the appropriate dedicated section.

We could have a section that advertises The Mirage arena and The Underdrome, like "This weeks fights" and they could like to the arenas.

"The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file." By "the wiki" are you referring to khwiki.com, The Keyhole, or both?

"Who can write the coding?" Since the main structure is pretty much completed (from what I can tell) Different users can edit different pages. Perhaps a sign up list is in order if there isn't one already? (I feel like we did do this, but I can't remember ._.)

This was going to be released bimonthly correct?

I think that once things get going, this should be put on the site notice at the top of every page?

Why isn't this stickied? This seems rather important from what I can see.}}

:Okay, I've got up with some ideas: first, what about the user page being called, "The Keyblade Master" or something like that? Mirage Arena and Underdrome current battles will be held at the same pages of their news. And that's it for now :) - {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 13:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=A fanart page sounds good ("Namine's Sketchbook" would be the obvious title) since readers can make requests through the mailbag. We could have a section for the Mirage Arena and Underdrome but considering each issue will be released after three month, we'll need a tournament bracket to fill in the last three months and then a "This week's fight" for the next upcoming ones. About having the "5 tasks", I don't think we need them as projects sounds like something that should go in the wiki summary of what's been happening in the past three months. "The Keyblade Master" sounds great.

I'm not sure what wiki will host the magazine yet. Which Wiki already gets more visitors? I think the one with less visitors should host it so that more traffic can come its way, as long as the Wiki with more visitors advertises and links to the magazine on the main page. Also, the initial plan was it was going to be released bimonthly but in a roundtable we decided to have it every quarter year. That way, the news sections have a chance to be more fleshed out and we have more time to actually write the thing. In other words, we favoured four issues that had oompth, in a year, rather than six slightly lackluster ones.

This thread could be stickied and site noticed but we need an admin for that (*hint hint*) :P

In other news, I added a list of posts we'll need to be more specific since a general sign-up list usually doesn't go well as people don't know what their individual job is. People should change posts each issue to keep things fresh. I also thought of an idea for the puzzle/riddle competition. What we could do is make the readers email their answers through the mailbag and then, we'll get all the names of the people who were correct and give them accolades for their user pages. The interesting part is we pick one of the names out of a hat (or in the internet's case, a random name generator) and give them the "golden" prize, which is having their name featured on the next magazine issue. Thoughts?

'''EDIT:''' To ensure this project doesn't die out again, here's the list of pages we'll need for the magazine:
*Cover
*Contents
*Podcast link + summary.
*"Trinity Archives" (KH News Report)
*"Unlocking the Keyhole "(The Keyhole Report)
*"The Door to Light" (KHWiki.com Report)
*Mirage Arena and Underdrome tournament brackets and "This week's fight"
*"The Keyblade Master" (Special Editor Page)
*"Dive to the Heart" (Wiki tutorial)
*"Round Room" (dialogue between staff)
*"Mark of Mastery" (User interview, top 5 list and review)
*"Naminé's Sketchbook" (Fanart)
*"The Game Grid" (Puzzle/Riddle)
*"Interactive Page" (mailbag and poll) still nameless.
At this moment, we've already worked out the magazine's skeleton. We now need an updated template and we should start writing the actual content (I'm writing mine in my userspace). Remember to add your names to the sign-up above!}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Update: I've written a draft for the wiki guide and top 5 list [[User:TheFifteenthMember/Workshop|here]]. Keep in mind that the wiki guide will probably look much nicer with breaks and things to make stuff actually look like code. How is it?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|text=Well, I was hoping we could have the magazine hosted on the Keyhole, since it seems to be the one without much traffic nowadays. However, it's seeming like few are interested (Only Chain has come to make any contribution, and I'm sure he's not the only one there).

Concerning the code, what else needs to be done? MEX seems to have done basically everything, all that's needed is the actual content, from my perspective.

What's a mailbag? Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I don't get it from context.

Things have sure slowed down since the Roundtable, haven't they? We need to bring this to more people's attention before it dries up again.}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 05:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=I have brought this up with a few users at the Keyhole, I'll let you know what they say when they get back to me. Why can't we have it on both sites?

A mailbag is where people send in questions, and we answer them publicly.

How else can we bring this to more people's attention?}}

{{FinalRest|time=14:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Hullo! I'm excited the magazine idea is up and running again. ^_^ Although I'm a bit reluctant to sign up for things, because I don't want to stick my name on things I won't be able to follow through on. :S

But anyway, for clarification, the 5 tasks for the interactive page are pretty much a way to trick people into editing. 5 small tasks that need doing around both wikis so people can maybe set it as a goal to do everything on the tasks list. Then the game tasks are to stop that section from being all business. :)

For hosting, why not host on both sites?

Also, although I'm not sure I have the time to write articles, I'd be more than happy to proof read articles and add them into the templates. Where should I sign my name to do that?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|persuade=Okay, we could definitely host it on both sites! There's quite a bit of code left to do, considering we've reskinned the project and modified parts. Also, I still think the "game tasks" isn't a good idea because I doubt anyone will appreciate us telling them what to do in a game. Really, most people have played their KH games already, so unless anyone can think of some good ones, the challenges will be a rather useless space. If we do that, the "only business" element would've went so we could move the tasks to the relevant Wiki report pages.

Question: Can someone elaborate on the Round Room and user interview ideas? What sorts of things could we do?

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that we shouldn't bite off more than we can chew. We'll need to be writing quite a few articles later on so I'm hoping everyone is thinking of ideas. I'm afraid the "Sign-Up" sheet is putting people off so I think I'll restructure it in a way that people can post their ideas/drafts for each page and then the writers can take it from there. Hopefully, that doesn't force editors to have a massive commitment but lets them contribute at whatever level they're comfortable with. That'd be needed to write every issue so we probably need a page in the "KHWiki:" space, like the Votes for Featured Media. We need a place where both Keyhole and '.com users can discuss together, though. 

On a final note: If we're releasing each issue after every three months, we'll need to divide the year into quarters. The simplest way to do that is releasing an issue on every January, April, July and October. Considering E3 is mid-June, I'm hoping our first issue will be ready for the coming July and that leaves us over two months. If we spend the first month going over formats and writing the magazine template, we can start writing content and recording the podcast in the second month. Do you guys think that's an achievable target?}}

{{MEX|time=14:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)|happy=Okay, almost done with the coding. About the game grid, got two ideas. For puzzles we could do something like that classic "Who is this Pokemon?", but with Dream Eaters, Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed and even characters. In the riddles, if someone can think off, we can put a quote for people to tell from who it is. Ideas? Also, counted Cover as page 1 and COntents as page 2 just because... well... come on, it's cool to have exactly 13 pages in a KH magazine XD.}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 03:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=I know a certain someone that's pretty good at riddles... lemme see if I can get him on board. I do like the "Who's that pokemon?" idea though. Could there possibly be prizes for getting them right?}}

{{FinalRest|time=16:16, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Welp, the idea for the game tasks was sort of like the extra challenge things some users created over on the Keyhole. An example of the three types of task could be
*Keyhole: Create a Treasure Chest locations table for any of the KHII worlds
*KHWiki: Expand one of any of the stub sections
*Game: Defeat Sephiroth three times in a row without dying
Yano, crazy crap like that. ^_^ We could also post the sigs of people that complete the tasks as a bit of boasting rights. :)

The Round Room was originally going to be a page for Staff members to get together and chat about a randomly chosen KH question. But, looking at it now, that's pretty much what the podcast will be. So should we change the Round Room page to a page for the podcast? To fill out the page I think it might also be a good idea to add a transcript of the podcast, if that's possible to do.

The user interviews were a way to introduce veteran editors. A short little chat of maybe 5 questions, to give an idea of who they are as both an editor and a fan of the KH series.

Are the issues still going to be themed to give the entire issue a sense of cohesion? Or are we just gonna talk about everything and anything? :D

For the Coliseum page I think just having a link to both of our arenas would be a little too less for an entire page. So I was thinking of how we could make that page a little more worthwhile and I came up with the idea of a user debate. All we'd need is two willing users with opposing opinions to discuss either a) two random KH related things or b) one or both of the arena battles linked. They could take a serious approach to why they think their side is the superior skill/object/character/plot point, or they could turn it into a bit of a comedic thing. Thoughts? Or any other ideas? If we can't think of anything to fill the page, I think it might be best to move the links to either the wiki reports pages, or the game page.

You made a good point about the wiki already having game tutorials available, but I still think it'd be a good idea to include small game walkthroughs. What I think would be good would be to take extracts out of the walkthroughs and include them in the tutorial page. For instance, we can have something like "How to beat Terra-Xehanort" and underneath that we link to the rest of the BBS walkthrough. That way we're generating interest in other parts of the wiki.

Almost done! Do we have someone who can whip/is whipping up title images for the different sections of the magazine? Cause we only have text right now to head each section, and that's kind of bland. ;D

Finally, [[Forum:Wiki Newsletter Take II|here's the link]] to the first wiki mag forum I opened here. It explains the round room and interviews etc better there. :)}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|default2=Well, I can do the images, since I have Photoshop. Just tell me what they are meant to look like, a concept of sorts, and I can start on that this weekend.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=MEX, those are great ideas! To make the "Guess the Quote" puzzle more wholesome, maybe we can turn it into a "Who am I?" riddle by including more facts and details. For example:
*I was once a Heartless.
*I wield a Keyblade.
*"Friends are my Power!"
'''-Who am I?-''' ''Answer: Sora'' 

Except, the riddle would be harder and not as obvious :P 

If we have a "Guess the Heartless", "Who am I?" and the riddle CoF's "certain someone" will provide, we can have three segments for our puzzle page, which sounds pretty great to me! Earlier, I mentioned having a competition where people email their answers and the ones who get everything correct gets a special mention. The only prize I can think of, other than an accolade and a special mention, is them getting first priority in posting questions to the mailbag and making requests for the Namine's Sketchbook. The special mention means we can include a fourth section on the puzzle page that contains the answers for the previous issue's puzzles and those special mentions. Side note: KHWiki and the Keyhole does have a shared email account, right?

The Round Room can be the podcast's hub page then. It can include a summary such as "In July's podcast, we talk about..." and then a bulleted list. Although it's a nice idea, I fear a transcript would be too hard to write since it would require insane amounts of work- we'd have to sit there, typing out half-an-hour's worth of dialogue word for word :<

The user interviews could use the speech bubble design we first had planned for the Round Room (cos that was a nice design :P). The game tasks sounds okay to me now, but perhaps we should limit them to either one, two or three so that they're more concentrated and, err, "focused" if that makes sense (that goes for the Wiki ones too).

Lastly: The Coliseum. We can probably scrap the tournament bracket and "This week's fight" entirely and replace it with a simple link to the MA and Underdrome. Reason being, a latecomer who reads the issue a couple of weeks after its release would be misled when "This week's fight" actually turns out to be "Two weeks ago's fight". I do like the idea of an opinionated argument between two users. It'd be like an extended Keyblade Graveyard.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=02:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|confused=All this time, I thought the Round Room was related to the Roundtable, and was meant to be a summary of relevant points from the recent Roundtables of both wikis! Well, screwed that one up. 

On another note, with so many changes, I'm beginning to lose track of what actually still needs to be done before the articles themselves are created. Asking mostly because I want to be involved with the coding, unless, of course, I'm no longer needed. In which case, I really should probably get back to that manga chapter list template. Ahh! I'm so confused....and tired... not sure what to do. Maybe I'll be back next week with a clearer mind...}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|sad=Sorry about the confusion, I'm going to post a summary and "to do list" soon. And I'm hoping "soon" is tomorrow but I can't make any promises I can't keep :<

Also, question about FR's proposal to post the sigs of anyone who completes a task: Should we demand a screenshot/camera pic for people from people who claim to have completed a game task, like how we done for the End of Year Event 2012? That immediately prevents a lotta cheating, sockpuppets, etc.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 14:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)|default=I made [[KHWiki:Magazine|this]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|this]] but they didn't prove to be as useful as I envisioned them to be. Can anyone make the Journalist Spot better? Anyway, I'll post a list of suggestions for magazine template later (on MEX's draft).}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 16:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)|xemnas= (The page looks good to me.) Side note: KHWiki and The Keyhole do not have a shared email account. Heck, I don't even think that The Keyhole has a site-wide email account.}}

==Podcast Discussion==
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===Discussion===
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Discuss!}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 04:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|normal="How long should it be?"
I'd say no more than an hour and a half, any longer than that then people would lose interest.

"Who can take part in making it?"
I'd say we have no more than 5 people per podcast, but if we get a lot of people sign up, then we could rotate the people in each podcast based on availability and/or interest of topic.

Would the be hosted over Skype, G+, or some other program?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Five people per podcast sounds okay but the problem will be getting enough people to sign up! I'm not sure what program it would be hosted over; that's probably something all the people who sign up should decide afterwards. Also, I remember Chaser saying he was interested in doing visuals for the podcast so we could release a version on our YouTube channel too (or even replace the .ogg with it).}}
:5 people is too much of a cluster to do, even with visuals going on (also, I'm too lazy to edit that much visuals), especially with audio-only podcast. Most podcast are done with 3/4 people so that its easier to hear whats being said. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 16:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
::Alright, but so far we only have one person able to do the podcast. Anyone else who can do it? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Visually speaking (depending on how lazy I'm gonna be when I edit this), and using me, FM, Ek, and Cof as example and that me and Cof are the one that are currently speaking, the podcast visual should look something like [http://i.imgur.com/wSo0p0L.png this]. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Would it be possible to have the names besides each wavelength so that the viewer can match name-to-voice easier? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Over the IRC, UC explained to me that doing the visuals would take a lot of work since you'd be listening to the podcast for half an hour, figuring out who's speaking at each second and animating their wavelength. I think we should plan a podcast, record it and see how tedious it is to make the visual. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 09:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like a good idea. Another idea is to have the pictures on the side next to the wavelengths so it's a bit clearer. Not sure what'd happen to the logo though. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 03:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
::Typing "<nowiki>:</nowiki>" over and over is getting to be a pain ಠ_ಠ  Also I did do another [http://i.imgur.com/cWmM0jG.png layout] for the podacast thats more easier to understand. Also, also Cof to answer your question about G+ vs Skype. G+ will record your hangout and make it ready for upload, but you cant edit the video. While with Skype you would have to edit the thing and upload it. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

:::Just gonna stick my nose in here and say that that layout looks great, UC. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

:Another topic: what is the podcast going to be rated? Is this going to be PG-13 or are we going to have to keep it PG? I'm sure minor swear words will slip out, but would we bleep/edit those out in the event that someone does accidentally say something? {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 06:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)