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ARG ARG ARG ARG ARG-wait, who gives a crap? it's just a rehash of the BBS we got, so why is everyone making a big deal out of it? Yeah, Nomura lied... <!--first time that's ever happened...--> but who cares? It doesn't affect us, and this probably just means that the Mysterious Figure is as canon as Sora, or Donald's terrible singing voice. Of course, if it comes to US shores, I couldn't care less. If it comes to US shores on the 3DS, then sign me up. Anyway, your thoughts. I crave them. {{KKDSig|1}}

{{Maggosh|nathan=My thoughts exactly. From what I understand, it's only an NA port. Sure, they're getting what we got, but hey, we got it FIRST; that can never change. Hell, there might be a new Secret Ending, but that's what YouTube is for, my friends!}}

For some, it's the principle of the thing, methinks. However, it is just a Japanese version of the International release, and I'm happy for the Japanese because they get what we got.

And if there's a secret ending? We'll do what we always do, though with the amount of stuff they put on our version, I think that they can barely add anything else. [[User:Tamroc7|Tamroc7]] 01:10, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

:It's because the Japanese always got the Final Mixes and the added content. Nomura promised that the NA additions were a treat for us, and he promised that Re:coded was a treat for us. Instead, the Japanese are almost immediately getting BBSFM, and they get Re:coded even before we do. If it was at least equal, that would be one thing (and great), but basically....it's like you're the youngest child, and even on your birthday, the oldest sibling gets the best present.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 01:27, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'm just hoping for a BBS FM Ultimania.  --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 02:09, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=Well...crap.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae93/maggosh/msft-tgs-live-0631.jpg}}

A NEW WORLD! GRAAAAAAAAHH!!!! Oh, Maggosh, can you link the video that screen shot came from? --Evnyofdeath 06:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=It's not from a video; not to my knowledge, anyway. If I find it, I'll post it here.}}

Alright. But still....Nomura...I'm starting to lose faith in you....at least TRY to keep your word. I understand you'd eventually have to rerelease the game in Japan because of the Mysterious Figure, but that doesn't mean you have to add ANOTHER new character that we here in America won't know about unless we hover over this wiki...--Evnyofdeath 06:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=Heartstation.org says Terra'll be able to fight Eraqus in full armor. As in, Eraqus will be in full armor.}}

{{Uxie|time=06:45, September 16, 2010 (UTC)|text=BBS has only just been dubbed and released. Why are they doing yet '''another''' Final Mix, according to the rummors I have heard?}}

I guess because Nomura doesn't like America.....--Evnyofdeath 06:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

{{ShardofTruth|time=09:14, September 16, 2010 (UTC)|talk=It doesn't seem like a new world, only a new match for the mirage arena. Eraqus in full armor sounds pretty cool.}}

{{Danjam|time=13:13, September 16, 2010 (UTC)|text= Is it just me or does that image that Maggosh provided us with bear an uncanny resemblance to Monstro?}}
:Well, on the other hand:
#Japanese names for the NA-added material.
#Unlike PS2, PSP games are not region-locked.
:Still, Nomura has lied about Final Mixes and treating America pretty much every time.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:25, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I guess in the end even if Nomura doesn't want to do something, if the guys in charge of Square get a large demand from fans (why wouldn't they considering the bonuses in the US version of the game) he is given no choice, at least, I hope so because the only other option is he likes lieing to us. --Evnyofdeath 14:35, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the PSP isn't region locked like the PS2 was. Ergo, you can import it when it comes out. I probably won't, since I have YouTube and this sight to provide me information about the game, but if you feel so inclined, do so. [[User:Tamroc7|Tamroc7]] 15:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Where did Nomura say there wouldn't be a Final Mix?
http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/147012-ultimania-full-nomura-interview.html

'''Are you going to release the international version in Japan as you have with KH and KHII?'''
Nomura: Well, if i say "we don't have plans yet" people will take that as "no" so I can't really say anything. Since the voice acting is done so well it wouldn't be bad releasing a Final Mix... but people only got so excited about KHII FM+ because it was sold with Re:COM.
We're not going to put that much into it a second time.

Anyone know where Nomura said "No Final Mix"?[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 15:54, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

LOL at everything being Nomura's fault.[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 15:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

He never said that he wouldn't make one.....? I wish that had been said before....now I don't have to hate Nomura. --Evnyofdeath 16:16, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
:That's not the only one. There was another one in the Dengeki interview, I thought.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Most of this stuff is decided by people way above Nomura's pay grade. But that's not top say he doesn't ''enjoy'' it, because adding all the stuff they do and complicating the plot even more is just something he does because he can.Would a Final Mix be made without him? yes. Would there be half the New cutscenes,Character designs and story changes?Who can say.[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 16:57, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
{{ShardofTruth|time=12:14, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|talk=[http://kh13.com/ KH13.com] provided the videoed trailer.}}

@KrytenKoro- Links please?[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 13:15, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.khinsider.com/khinsider/birth-by-sleep-interviews.html Kryten, when you can find a defintitve statement regarding Final Mix anywhere in there, let me know.[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 13:34, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Look, I don't like this either, but to say that Nomura said this would never happen, (the difference being between "No Plans at the Moment" and "Not ever Gonna happen") or that this is even his decision to make and not an executive, is a little disingenuous. (And because this is the age of distribution, the Final Mixes are in english and Disney will be angry as hell about hiring the English voice actors again, I'm still holding out hope for a western release. Not much of one I'll admit, though I honestly don't care either way.) Now, If you'll excuse me, I have to go back to having my ass kicked by the Mysterious Figure, kthxbai.[[Special:Contributions/204.211.185.107|204.211.185.107]] 13:47, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|nathan=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnCEJKJnZOQ

Not only is there a Monstro ''arena'', but the final round ''is'' Monstro! The new Armored Warrior could very well be Eraqus; we might be looking at yet ''another'' Sentiment boss.}}


<blockquote>Nomura: Well, if I say “we don’t plan on it yet”, people will take that as “no”, so I can’t really say anything. Since the voice acting is done so well it wouldn’t be so bad releasing a Final Mix... but people only got so excited about KHII FM+ because it was sold with Re:COM. We’re not going to put that much into it a second time (laugh). </blockquote>

<blockquote>Will there be a BBS: Final Mix?

No plans at the moment. Though after seeing the new trailer Japanese fans are arguing about the extras we are getting in the West. But at the same time he isn't sure how many of them could actually stand the difficulty. </blockquote>

<blockquote>-- Since you’ll be changing so much, does that mean we can expect a Final Mix?

Nomura: Well, first we’ll have to see just how much it becomes different from the domestically released version. But we’d really like to be able to release one “Kingdom Hearts” game a year. We don’t want several years to go by without there being anything. </blockquote>

Those are the quotes I remembered, and found on that site. He doesn't explicitly deny a BBSFM, no.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:11, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

{{KrytenKoro|HOLY CRAP MONSTRO IS AN ACTUAL BOSS?!



...must finish current BbS before buying new one...}}

{{Maggosh|nathan=I swear, if ''this'' Final Mix doesn't come overseas...}}

{{J.Severe|text=Well... I've never been more disgusted in my entire life. (sigh)... If only this series wasn't so dang awesome I would've left quite a long time ago. It still baffles me why they just can't make the same thing for everyone, or release the Final Mix for both countries. I'm going to send Tetsuya Nomura a stern fax...}}

Man you have got to be F-ing kidding me!!! I mean I have been waiting patiently for Birth by Sleep for five years, spoiled myself aout of jealousy and envy of the Japanese, and right when I finally get it,before I'm even done with Aqua's story, BLAM!!! They go and anounce that they couldn't stand watching us getting atleast three extras and so they have compenste by giving themselves all of our extras and then add a bajillion more! I mean I can understand getting our secret boss, but is it really neccessary to give them like, what, +two more! What is the point of Monstro, unless you're going to actually go through with making Pinochio's world part of the game. And the irony of it all is that they might actually give Ven his original secret ending Keyblade, and that was what I have been striving for for our version, and we didn't get it! It makes me so MAD!!! I swear, Nomura, one of these days... Still, dispite my anger, I'm getting it anyway, after all, I should've seen this one comeing. I just hope that the only new scenes they get are in their new boss battles, because I hate hearing our NA voices w/ their Japanes text but hearing nothing but silence when they get a new scene! And if not, they better have those new scenes english dubbed, because they owe us that much! I know I sound unreasonable, but shouldn't I be!? Shouldn't we all!? But I promise, that if the rumor of Ven getting his Secret Ending Keyblade is legit, then I guess that will be enough to calm me down. I guess I do need a new thing to save my money on now anyway. [[User:AROS|AROS]] 17:42, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

{{LapisScarab|time=04:26, September 22, 2010 (UTC)|text=And... 1000 FACEPALMS! Seriously, get over it people. This isn't like what happened with KHIIFM, where we missed out on well over a dozen new bosses and features. This is a couple of new things they're adding (I for one am excited that now there's an excuse for us to get to see more--Armored Eraqus apparently, new secret ending, etc.). So Nomura lied, so what? It isn't the first time he's misled us in regards to the series. Remamber how those three knights were totally new characters? What? The brown-haired one is Xehanort? Pfft! You're seeing things. Just sit back and enjoy the new cutscenes, fandubbed for your confusion.}}  

{{Maggosh|nathan=Promise me you won't kill me.

[[File:'Eraqus'Armor BBSFM.jpg]]}}
{{KrytenKoro|emotion=tired|So....yeah, it's definitely Eraqus.


Holy balls, that's pretty.}}
{{Keyblade0|time= 00:03, September 26, 2010|text= Wow... that's cool...

<small>so... so shiny...</small>

<small><small> so armor-y...</small></small>}}

{{Xabryn|text=I know that it is pretty obvious that it is Eraqus but do we have any confimation? If we don't have wouldn't it be speculation to say that it is Eraqus?}}

{{KKD|time=00:26, September 26, 2010 (UTC)|link=It's safe to say it's Eraqus, I think. All signs point to him, and I reeally don't see anything otherwise. <small> I AM LOVING THIS LINK TALK BUBBLE</small>}}

{{LapisScarab|time=00:30, September 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=We should wait before saying that he is Eraqus in the actual articles. Simply holding the Keyblade isn't quite enough proof. On a less serious note, his armor looks friggin' awesome. Now I'm curious as to what Xehanort's armor looked like.}}

{{Maggosh|YMX=The trailer [http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/bbsfm/trailer.html is online.] As in, officially.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Maybe they just have a berserk coloration and I forgot, but the Wild Bruiser is black instead of brown in this. I think we might be getting recolored enemies again.}}

Also, there is something else I noticed about five minutes ago on the web site's HQ version. Now, you have to pause and rewind a gazillion times to see this, but if you look closely, the first instance we see Terra (the scene where he saves Ven from Eraqus), HE IS HOLDING VEN'S KEYBLADE (WAYWARD WIND)!!! How weird is that!? So I guess thiss means that your character will be able to wield the Keyblades of the other two (Terra -> Ven & Aqua, Ven -> Terra & Aqua, and Aqua -> Terra & Ven)? Well, maybe they altered the cutscene and had Ven get his Keyblade knocked out of his hand and Terra uses it to defend him before he summons his own. Whatever it is, I hope it is explained, but I am still pushing for Ven getting his origional KH2FM+ Keyblade, I CAN NOT STRESS IT ENOUGH!!! Still, lets hope for the best, because this game won't be region locked and we might even keep their better WLAN signal (the network-wide one, not our sucky 60-foot-radius one) for Mirage Arena (I still haven't found anyone to multi-play with). The more additions, the better I guess. {{User: AROS|AROS}} 17:24, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
==From ''[[Talk:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix]]''==

=== AUGH! ===

THIS MAKES ME SO FUCKING ANGRY!!!!! i think that it would be fair for the stuff we got but new features also?!?!?!??!? I FUCKING HATE WHEN THIS HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 22:12, September 16, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

=== Any idea on the contents:"P ===   

{{DeadManCandyLand|time=Someone's gotta whip him into shape.|text=anyone know what might be in kingdom hearts birth by sleep final mix}}
{{17master|time=13:11, September 22, 2010 (UTC)|text= They say there will be a Monstro stage for Mirage Arena, a new secret movie,  and a boss fight with armored Eraqus. But I expect some new keyblade keychains, secret boss, and side quests}}

=== Secret Ending plus my annoyance at Square Enix ===

Okay.......now i'm really cheesed off at Square Enix.....how come they HAD to put in a final mix for BBS when thankfully BBS is the only time when we actually got North American exclusives, but NO.......the Japanese have to beat us to it and get new stuff that we don't have. *sigh* I wonder if the Secret Ending will have anything to do with Kingdom Hearts 3 or 3DS despite Versus XIII hasn't been finished yet. But still, why does Nomura deny the making of BBS FM when it's already being planned for release??? [[User:Lightning XIII|Lightning XIII]] 22:51, September 16, 2010 (UTC)Lightning XIII

{{BlackSoulBlade|text=SE just lost a lot of my respect with this one, thankfully PSP games aren't region locked. Also, we had Sephiroth and Ice Titan in KH1, Japan only got it in the FM. Seriously, I don't care that the original has been out for years, I WANT THE FREAKIN FM'S!}}

{{LXIII|text= I agree with you on that one, luckily it's Christmas soon hehe.......But I really want the FM's though even if it's Japanese texts (thankfully I've been studing Japanese at school)}}

for the record, we did get extras in kingdom hearts 1. kurt zisa, phantom, ice titan, and sephiroth. until the final mix that is

{{ShardofTruth|time=09:19, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|talk=I haven't lost hope that we will see at least an NA release of the PS2 FMs. If Kingdom Hearts is a candidate for the high definition collection series Sony is publishing at the moment, they would truly choose the best version.}}
{{Bluer|13:59, September 17, 2010 (UTC)|Has a fully English FM ever reach audiences? No. Are you annoyed at Square Enix? Yes. Are you still buying its games? Yes. Does Square really care about you? No.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=I think I forgot to nominate you for a PR position.}}
Final Mix for those who doesn't understand japanese can be quite the time killer. Why? besides the new features, we have to look at the translation guide every time we got a new ability or item lol. [[User:17master|17master]] 13:07, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
{{Keyblade0|time= 00:34, September 23, 2010|text=(I seriously wish that I could make an angry talk bubble right now) Who was that ****ing idiot that told Nomura to add more things in the Japenese Version!? Seriously, they had to release a final mix with more stuff.  Does Nomura/Square-Enix hate us!? I mean, sure, there was a conflict in the 40s, but that doesn’t mean that he/they had to release more bonuses in the Japanese version! 

I… Hate you… Nomura… so much...

…Must sue Square-Enix/Nomura…}}

{{17master|time=11:33, September 23, 2010 (UTC)|text= hey at least the guy made the game in the first place lol}}

===Eraqus===
{{ST|text=i know the general consesus about the armored figure is that it's eraqus, but i don't remember anything saying so for certain. can someone tell me where ot was comfirmed? EDIT:Never mind just saw it}}
{{Chitalian8|time=01:29, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|text= Can you show me the link to the picture?}}

'Cause WE WANNA SEE ARMORED ERAQUS!!!!!!!!!! because we NEVEAR WILL!!!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 02:14, September 18, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

You see the armored figure at the end of the trailer very briefly. Go to KHInsider, right now its the first thing on the main page.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}02:16, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

{{ErryTalk|zexiontext=It looks like Xion's first and third forms' armors from KH:358/2}}

{{17master|time=18:02, September 18, 2010 (UTC)|text= Gah I'm too late, the video is gone now due to that copyright thing (as usual.) Did anyone got the chance to screenshot the video or something? That would be great for the rest of us who didn't get the chance to watch it.}}
{{ST|text=no, but here's a link to someone that did: [http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/RikuRising024/BBS%20FM/] }}

I will see if I can get a link to it ok?Darn they removed it sorry guys I already saw it try kh.com they might have it.{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2 21:24, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

{{17master|time=12:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)|text= sweet! Thanks alot ST :D Wow the forum on KHI is right, his armor does look like a samurai's. I wish a new trailer with better quality will come soon.}}

=== NA ===

Will this title be released in north america or has no info been found on it yet? [[User:Khruler|Khruler]] 00:40, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

No, it won't, that's the point of the Final Mix games; they're Japanese exclusives.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}01:06, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well that sucks![[User:Khruler|Khruler]] 22:12, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

=== Eraqus' Setiment / Remnant / Spirit / Whatever ===

A lot of people say the armored figure at the end is Eraqus, and if you look closely, it has the same boots as Eraqus. My question is if this guy is another secret boss or not. Vanitas' Remnant was already challenging, then the mysterious figure was near impossible, so how can they possibly make anything tougher? Mar 03:46, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

There's plenty of ways they could make a tougher boss. We don't know anything about the armored guy yet, other than that he/she briefly appears in the trailer.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}03:50, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
:...I think you guys are jumping the gun on calling it a secret boss. I've seen nothing official that says that, and like you say, he just appears in the trailer. For all we know it could be just Eraqus armoring up to fight Terra and they are featuring it in the trailer because, well, it's new content. If that is the case, they don't need to make it harder than the Unknown guy. (which I doubt they'd do anyway. The Unknown was a boss made so that none of them could beat it. Trying to top that would be, well, difficult, to say the least.)--[[User:Otherarrow|Otherarrow]] 13:42, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

:He's not at the castle, though, he's on the summit.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:13, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

{{ZexionFan321|terra=Well if you look at maggosh's pic you'll see that it is after the Land of Departure was destroyed AKA after Eraqus died. So maybe he is a secret boss after all.}}
{{Keyblade0|time= 01:22, Setember 26, 2010|text= 
Technically, he didn't die, Eraqus's heart moved into Terra's heart.}}

=== Fianl Mix... Not the final unfortunately ===

Can someone please tell me why Square Enix keep releasing Final Mix titles? This site categorizes them as remakes, but last I checked, it's not normal to announce a remake of a game, in the same month that it is released. It's not like the additional content couldn't have been programmed into the game from the start. To me, it just feels like an attempt to sell more games more than anything else, since the original games don't tend to sell as well as they should. [[User:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:purple">LiLLiPaDDy</span>]] [[User talk:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:blue">~True tears are never seen, only hidden~</span>]] 10:32, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

The game was not announced 'in the same month that it is released', since Final Mix is only for Japan, and the Japanese version of the original was released in January. But you're right about the two being very close together. [[Special:Contributions/82.37.246.236|82.37.246.236]] 13:45, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well it's not normal to remake a game in the same year it's released, as well as in the same month the translated version is released. [[User:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:purple">LiLLiPaDDy</span>]] [[User talk:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:blue">~True tears are never seen, only hidden~</span>]] 05:17, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think it started with KHFM which was created because of all the extra content in the US version of KH, and from then it just became a tradition for the main games in the KH series to get Final Mixes. --Evnyofdeath 07:56, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

what i dont get is:WHY hasnt he released a final mix HERE[[Special:Contributions/65.32.75.73|65.32.75.73]] 10:37, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nomura said that he will send the final mixes to the U.S as Trump Cards, which may come... in 10-20 years.{{User:Keyblade0/Sig}}

maybe he'll make some kind of a "Final Mix collection" after Kingdom Hearts series is finished. Think about it, you can replay your past favourite KH games with full features from the original Final Mixes [[User:17master|17master]] 13:04, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

=== The trailer ===

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNOLhecTr1g I found that on youtube, it's mirrored so they can't erase the video. ...well, maybe they can, but, uh... just check it out while it's still there :/ [[User:17master|17master]] 04:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

=== Armored Eraqus confirmed ===

{{Maggosh|YMX=[[File:'Eraqus'Armor BBSFM.jpg]]}}
{{17m|time=07:57, September 25, 2010 (UTC)|text= whoever took that picture is great at hitting a pause button at the right moment ._.}}
{{Edgeshadow|time=14:46, September 25, 2010 (UTC)|vanitas=I wan to see the whole body.}}
Dang, If Eraqus's keyblade wasn't in the way, I'd totally make a talk bubble image out of that screenshot. {{KKDSig|1}}
{{LA|Vtext=If you look closely during the trailer, the "armored unknown's" shoes are the same as Eraqus's. Sooooo >_>}}
{{Kensei|time=19:45, September 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Not to mention his armor on his stomach looks just like Eraqus'}}