Editing Forum:KH Cast and Crew Bios

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{{EO|time=05:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Users like Marexl wish to create bios for Utada Hikaru, yet I could have sworn this was not allowed. I was proven wrong, so I was wondering if we should add a new category and template for KH Cast and Crew, and fill it with bios...What do you think?}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=I don't see how you were proven wrong.  Bios for the cast and crew are definitely not allowed.}}

{{KrytenKoro|I think we had a discussion in the Articles for deletion in which we decided to have real-world articles, but specifically mark them as non-canon - such as [[Director's Secret Report XIII]]. If this doesn't extend to the cast, then I'm sorry for misleading EO.

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Peter_Cullen This] and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aaron_Archer this] are the kinds of things I think we should do. The pages shouldn't be just a duplicate of the wikipedia page, and should specifically focus on the ''Kingdom Hearts''-related info; for Voice Actor's, what they based their character on, a list of their ''KH'' roles, etc. Sites like kh2.co.uk will be a gold mine for this, as will some backup on wikipedia. For example, future KH games will most likely not have Utada songs because of a dispute between her and Disney. This is something the wiki should cover. If the info gets too sparse, like for production staff, we could list them simply on a page like [[Kingdom Hearts II/Staff]] or "credits", with links back to wikipedia. But articles for Nomura, Utada, and Jesse should be easy to create and make interesting.}}
{{EO|time=06:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)|hooded=Personally, I agree with KrytenKoro.}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=I don't know, I really don't see the point in having articles for everybody behind making the game.  This is about the world of Kingdom Hearts, not the world outside of it.}}
{{EO|time=07:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)|hooded=Me too, and that was on my mind each time I posted here. Yet it is these people who make the world of KH and deserve a spot here. But, I'm not saying we create articles for every last name in the creidts, just important ones like Utada, Nomura, David Gallagher, etc.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Certainly the articles would only focus on the KH aspect, and staff members with too little info or none at all would not have their own article. But there's a lot of important stuff, like "Why is there no more Utada songs?" or "Why was Pride Land included?" that some real-world based articles could help with. There's certainly a lot of real-world info that would be ''very relevant'' to the series itself - see the Director's Secret Report XIII for an example of real-world Nomura info that still shapes our reports on the Keyblades and Nobodies.

I don't know if EO's started it yet, but I had suggested to him that we work on sandbox Nomura and Utada articles as proof of concept, and possibly even a sandbox article for a prominent VA like McCartney. Would you like to help us with those, so that they will be close to your desires as well?}}
{{EO|time=15:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=We would have to create a template for easier navigation, though. Possibly under the headings of "PoC" and "Prominent VA's". If this is to be done, we could in fact use a sandbox. I could start a Quinton Flynn one if you consider him prominent. Perhaps you should create the sandbox, alert myself and GS when it's complete, and allow us to edit it...}}

{{GS|time=18:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=I'm still not going to support the idea.  It currently goes against the MoS.

"Articles created should be limited to the Kingdom Hearts sphere. Real world references such as voice actors and game developers should be linked to their respective pages in Wikipedia."

I also know that if we start creating articles for the important members of the cast and crew, that people are going to start creating articles for everyone involved.  KK, I understand that there may be important real-world answers to questions, but those can easily be added to articles with the use of trivia sections, notes, and references.}}
{{EO|time=22:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=As I said...it wasnt' my idea to begin with, and I believed you were right from the start. It was me who said I was against it and new it was wrong...after all that time I spent reading the MoS and not understanding it, you'd think I'd remember at least that much.}}
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 I also know that if we start creating articles for the important members of the cast and crew, that people are going to start creating articles for everyone involved.  KK, I understand that there may be important real-world answers to questions, but those can easily be added to articles with the use of trivia sections, notes, and references.}}
 {{EO|time=22:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=As I said...it wasnt' my idea to begin with, and I believed you were right from the start. It was me who said I was against it and new it was wrong...after all that time I spent reading the MoS and not understanding it, you'd think I'd remember at least that much.}}
-{{BebopKate|time=05:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I really don't see what writing about real-life people here would accomplish that Wikipedia or other references don't accomplish just as well, or wouldn't fit into other articles.  You could put info about Utada pulling out of the series in [[Passion]], for example, or add a "Development" or "Behind the Scenes" section to the [[Pride Lands]] article if there's actually that much to say.
-Plus, as Guardian Soul points out, this is one of those things I can see getting out of hand ''really'' fast.  Based on other wikis (such as ''MST3K''), most articles will be short and pointless or pretty much copies of the Wikipedia article.  And I can practically guarantee long lists of useless Trivia will appear on any actor's page, particularly in the area of parallels and coincidences between ''Kingdom Hearts'' and other roles.
-It's a nice idea on paper...er, wiki, but I think it will just end up too complicated and frustrating.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|I don't really agree that it can't be worked, but if everyone's against it, then I guess that's the decision, neh?}}
-{{EO|time=14:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Personally, I'll go either way. Why not just do a Sandbox article and then show it to us? It could be worked, but BebopKate and GS both make good points that I can't help but agree with, the same goes with you.}}
-{{Azul|time=01:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm actually on the fence about this. While it would be interesting to have pages on Utada, Nomura, etc., that focus mainly on KH-related things that Wikipedia pages don't cover and are only found in interviews, it ''is'' going against MoS, though it can be change. Also how would you figure out which people get their own page? Maybe a staff sub-page would be better.
-@Kryten, EO err.... ENX: Maybe if we see the example pages, it would change our minds.}}
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