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{{ErryTalk|time=01:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)|bayonetta=So yeah, since it was brought up on the main page to update the theme to either 10th anniversary or KH 1.5 HD Remix or something of the like. I think it's much too late to do a 10th anniversary theme, but we could build up a 1.5 HD Remix theme ready to be implemented in March, just in time when the game releases. So what do you guys think?}}
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 01:47, 30 December 2012 (UTC)|happy=I thought that it was too late for a 10th anniversary too and I'm happy with a KH HD theme. The colour scheme should be silver and grey and that is all I have to contribute with.}}

I also wanted to use this as an opportunity to discuss changes to the main page (since the happenings still say you plan on revamping it). I've noticed everywhere else where this was being discussed, the discussions seem to have died out. Unless you guys are done "revamping" the main page.  [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 19:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

One option for the theme is to take a version of our current background, maybe with more of the official icons, or a version of the one seen on www.destinyislands.com, with the icons in either gray, or blue (Kingdom Hearts), gray/silver (Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories), and red (Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days) [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 20:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
{{EO|time=04:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)|text=I personally think this forum should focus on the Wiki theme; we can create another if we have to to revive the main page-revamp discussion. 

My opinion of what the theme should be? Definitely something ''KHHD''-related. I feel like trying to get a color-scheme that alludes to ''KHFM'', ''Re:CoM'', AND ''358/2 Days'' would have too much going on. I say we go for the simple black/silver/gray used in [http://kh13.com/zenphoto/wallpapers/kingdom-hearts-japanese-twitter/twitter_bg.jpg.php this image]; the symbols in the back are as follows:
*Roxas necklace
*Mickey head
*Heartless emblem
*Nobody emblem 
*Crown
*Heart
*Keyblade w/ crown hilt

As for the Wiki's logo, that should also be styled around ''KHHD''. Maybe use Sora, Riku, and Kairi's ''KH1'' artwork or, even better, their new renders from the game...I could live with Sora, Riku, and Roxas in the logo if we wanted to allude to all three games included in the package, but I still prefer my first suggestion. 

Now for an idea for the main page, specifically where Riku and the Komory Bat/Sora and the Meow Wow currently frame the "Welcome to the ''Kingdom Hearts'' Wiki" message: Replace Riku and the Komory Bat with an image we'd make combining Sora, Riku, and Kairi's ''KHHD'' renders. Where Sora stands with the Meow Wow, put another grouped image using Roxas, Axel, and Xion. This way, we allude to all three games included in ''KHHD'' without having to worry about that in the logo.

I personally don't see why we can't just keep the ''KH3D'' theme until ''KH3'' is announced, but these are some suggestions based around what I'd like to see from a ''KHHD'' theme, were we to use one.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=20:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
|text=Ok, we'll keep this to just the theme.

Next, I suggested the three colors of KHFM, KHRe:COM, and KH358/2D to be used similar to how three colors are used [http://www.destinyislands.com/wp-content/themes/di4/images/bgtile.png here on destinyislands.com]. However, I do like the idea of the background on the image you shared. I don't understand if you meant to use that background specifically, or just the symbols and color scheme in a format like we have right now.

I agree, the logo should be changed, and I do prefer Sora, Kairi, and Riku on the main logo, as well as on one side of the banner like you said. I don't know if anyone wants to deal with trying to put Naminé in the image at all (to represent KHRe:COM). For the logo, should we use the original 2D artwork, like you guys did for the current logo for KH3D, or the new renders?

The reason I suggested a new theme was because, I'll be honest, I'm one of those people who are into visual styles, and into changing them for special occasions (in this case, for the release of KHHD:1.5). Plus, let's face it, if we leave it, it will probably stay in its current theme for at least two years (which is how long I calculated would take for the release of KH3, assuming Final Fantasy VS. XIII is announced sometime this year and so forth).
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{{EO|time=04:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)|talktext=When I linked to that image hosted on KH13.com, it was only to illustrate the symbols and colorscheme. 

Sora, Kairi, and Riku should be in the logo because they are the trio the series is essentially about. It's always been our tradition to use the artwork in the Wiki logo, but since this is ''KHHD'' and everything will be higher-quality, I thought it could be a nice change of pace and reference to this fact to use the ''KHHD'' renders. I still think framing "Welcome to the Wiki" on the main page with a group image of Sora, Riku, and Kairi on the left and one of Roxas, Axel, and Xion on the right would be cool.

I've always been a kind of aesthetics nut, too, mainly because of my artistic background, so I can sympathize with you there. Again, though, having colors and symbols from all three games is too distracting. The image I linked to had the important symbols of the series and presented them in a way that wasn't as much of an eyesore; yeah, black and silver isn't thrilling to look at, but you're here to read articles, not gaze at the background on the Wiki. I agree that expecting to leave the ''KH3D'' theme up for so long was a bit ridiculous when you put it that way; I guess I just don't see ''KHHD'' as the huge thing everyone else does.

Is there anyway someone could piece together a rough draft of my suggestion, just to see if it's even ''worth'' supporting on my end? If anyone else has ideas for a ''KHHD''-revamp, I'd say they should post everything here. We can then put things through a vote and adapt the winning version of the Wiki-theme in honor of ''KHHD''!}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=05:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
|text=Agreed :)
EDIT: I can try to make a draft image, but since I'm still in school, I won't have much time for it, so hopefully someone else can try, in case I don't get it done.
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{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=01:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
|text=https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cIGDg8omgnI/UQ3rac0XEfI/AAAAAAAAALk/0tw0baVH2UA/s800/Background%25201.png 
There is the background as you suggested Eternal Nothingness XIII. I'll try to work on the logo next, if I have time.
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{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=03:04, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
|text=And I just finished the logo. It's a simple replace of images, not too big a difference, using the images from the box art. Later, I may do the renders like Eternal Nothingness XIII suggested, I just did it this way because the current one uses official artwork, and when ENX suggested the renders, there was no new artwork. Still, here it is. If anyone can make the "Kingdom Hearts" part look more like the KHHD1.5 Logo, be my guest.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yXXGDkBWdYQ/UQ8cYJovKzI/AAAAAAAAAL4/LDD4nuDHVyQ/s144/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15.png
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{{ShardofTruth|time=13:26, 4 February 2013 (UTC)|talk=I like the first logo a lot although the lettering is a bit hard to read when it's almost black on a black background. The argyle pattern is a bit bland, I don't know if it's the missing connective dots or because it's just black and white but there seems to be something missing. Maybe we should reduce the complexity of the pattern to the [[:File:Promotional_Art_03_KHD.png|KHD one]], this seems also more closer to the pattern on the KHHD cover.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=03:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
|text=Ok, I just made two new versions of the first logo.
<br>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hG9Th9SYlxc/URHKN_V8u4I/AAAAAAAAAM4/yRO1XFe911w/s800/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15%2520%2528ver1%252C1%2529.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rlyKfYDaVjQ/URHL06NX1II/AAAAAAAAANU/vXP4WQptjDs/s800/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15%2520%2528ver1-1%2529.png
<br> I personally prefer the second one.
UPDATE: Go to [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget_Lab|my Sandbox]] to see a screenshot of the page with the new logo and background. I may get to fixing the background later. Also, the font size and type is different because it's my custom CSS, that part isn't part of the proposal.
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{{Coldasfire|time=04:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)|text= I like the colors of the letters on the second one.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=07:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
|text=Ok, so I was looking through past theme forums, and it seems that more than just the logo and background need to be changed. So my question is: What else should we change as part of the new theme?
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{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=14:44, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
|text=Ok, so as I broke out on the Twilight Town forum minutes ago, Square-Enix and Disney have announced this morning, at 9:00 A.M. EST, the North American release of Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX for this fall. Sources are in the appropriate forum page in the Twilight Town Library. I'm so excited!!!!!!<br>
So it brings me to the ever important question for this forum: Should we wait to change the theme of the wiki until this fall, or should we go on with the current set time of March? I feel that since we are a Kingdom Hearts Wiki, but also an English wiki, we shouldn't wait all the way until fall, but we don't have so much pressure to finish it by March 14. Maybe like April or May. Just let's not drag it on forever like the U.S. Congress, which kind of means I need a little more help on this. I don't want to sound like I'm angry, I'm not, but I do feel like I'm on this project by myself, with the occasional tip from Coldasfire (who I thank right now).
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The banner that was released for the US/EU KH1.5HD announcement, I managed to produce a seamless pattern from it:
http://i.imgur.com/fKW8NxE.png

I will help as much as I can since I have my new computer now. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 17:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=01:21, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
|text=Ok, so [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab|Here]] is the page with the background Erry uploaded. Thanks by the way for the bg.
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{{EO|time=16:41, 2 March 2013 (UTC)|text=I quite like where this is going. 
<br>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rlyKfYDaVjQ/URHL06NX1II/AAAAAAAAANU/vXP4WQptjDs/s800/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15%2520%2528ver1-1%2529.png<br>
I would have to say that this is my favorite version of the logo; the rough draft of the main page with the new theme installed looks great, and it will look even better once the entire thing is ''KHHD''-ified. All that needs to be done now in my opinion is those pink bars (you'll see what I mean when you look at the rough draft; I understand you obviously couldn't change all of it) need to be turned gray, and I'd really like to see if we could get those group images of Sora, Riku, and Kairi, as well as of Roxas, Axel, and Xion (their ''KHHD'' renders) made to frame the "Welcome to the ''Kingdom Hearts Wiki'' message (they'd be placed on either side of it in my mind, in a similar fashion to Sora and the Meow Wow/Riku and the Komory Bat on the current main page).}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=22:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
|text=OK, just updated the screenshot with the background Erry gave, I somehow got an image on my sandbox that was too small to see, but it should work now. I would like to play around with the code if that's possible. I have tried using Google Chrome and its awesome capabilities to access a website's code and mess around with it temporarily, but I haven't been able to identify/access all the code. For example, I don't know what controls the headings of the side navigation bars. Stuff like that. I don't know. I just finished the first of the group pictures for the Welcome banner, and I might have the other by next week, since I'm kind of busy all this week.<br>
Now, an earlier question I posted was whether there was anything else, since I noticed in past theme-related forums that there were arguments over what I think are smaller details like something about some templates? (especially in the BBS Theme Forum). So, is there anything else?<br>
Finally, The background. We have two proposed, Erry's from the Kingdom Hearts portal, and mine, which I made. I agree, mine could use some help. I try to make them as good as possible, but also as quickly as possible. So, should we use the finished one, or should we use mine and I can try to fix it as quickly as possible? Or does anyone else have ideas on what to do? Discuss!
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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:22, 4 March 2013 (UTC)|default=I'm somewhat ambivalent. Your background looks more visually pleasing to me however Erry's background is an official background. If I would have to choose though, I would say go with the first background (we don't need ''everything'' official, do we?)}}

I decided to create my own rendition, all in all the same as Jh's but I fixed up the colors (Riku's was a bit too blue and added some contrast to all 3) and gave it a more darker appearance:
http://i.imgur.com/0RC2wvu.png
{{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
:I like. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
::And soon implemented it as a theme [http://i.imgur.com/GGzDW4C.png here]. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
:I like. {{User:Coldasfire/Sig1}}
::I like most. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:59, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Well... this is so awesome... that I think this...<br>http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj606/MateusinhoEX/GreyMonacoBackground_zps4c6ffa10.png<br>Became useless... It's awesome, Erry. I just think that you could change the background color of Riku's picture to black, white, or grey instead of blue. - {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 14:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

So now, after taking MEX's suggestion, I decided to do a version with a "less-blue" Riku but both having a black/grey background:<br>
http://i.imgur.com/bjjNUdG.png http://i.imgur.com/I4BgEOl.png<br>The "blue-er" Riku with black background   The "less blue-er" Riku with grey-ish background.<br><br>Personally, I prefer the less blue-er version... {{User:Erry/Sig}} 17:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
:I personally, prefer the less blue-er version too but it would be even better if Kairi's background isn't so bright either. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
::Made less bright:<br>
http://i.imgur.com/Es8cCGP.png {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Perfect :) {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:54, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think at this point, considering FM, CAF and I are enough to set this theme in motion (since 3 vs. 2 if ENX and Jh disagree) so I will go ahead and change both (Monobook and Roundedblue) to KHHD themes. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
:Looking nice. {{User:LightRoxas/Sig}} 20:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=01:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
|text=I personally prefer my logo over Erry's simply because it contrasts better on the page than his. Of course, if that's just my opinion, than I can just change that on my own CSS page. That's my only complaint, the logo seems to get lost a bit easily in the background. In addition, if it makes MEX feel better, I do love your background. 
EDIT: In addition, I finished the images for the banner, but I'm not sure if you guys still want them, since it appears they may already be done.<br>
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hhjxahaTlao/UTagcQuuoII/AAAAAAAAAQA/0o-A80H88ds/s800/Welcome%2520banner-sora-kairi-riku.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Er413Sz0Lm0/UTagcUSe9XI/AAAAAAAAAQU/xCPS_DNCPU4/s508/Welcome+banner-roxas-xion-axel.png
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Well, I made a less-dark version and uploaded it, if that isn't to your liking then I can't do anymore but it's a bit closer to your design of the logo. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 12:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster
|time=23:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
|text=I just saw the logo, and I truly like the new version, it does stand out from the background a whole lot better. I actually noticed it before i even signed in. Thanks!
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{{EO|time=16:48, 10 March 2013 (UTC)|text=The group images of Sora, Riku, and Kairi and Roxas, Xion, and Axel look quite good, KeybladeSpyMaster. Supposing we've agreed to replace Sora and the Meow Wow/Riku and the Komory Bat with these as I suggested, I can't wait to see how the final main page looks! Loving the ''KHHD'' theme already!}}

It's perfect. I loved the theme. The only thing missing now is the background. I made two new versions, with the aligned correctly this time. Although, I still would rather to use the official background. I like mine more, but it's not very good.<br>
http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj606/MateusinhoEX/GreyMonacoBackgroundbrighter_zps8634fde0.png http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj606/MateusinhoEX/GreyMonacoBackgroundpart1_zpsc1943dc2.png {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 22:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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 |text=And I just finished the logo. It's a simple replace of images, not too big a difference, using the images from the box art. Later, I may do the renders like Eternal Nothingness XIII suggested, I just did it this way because the current one uses official artwork, and when ENX suggested the renders, there was no new artwork. Still, here it is. If anyone can make the "Kingdom Hearts" part look more like the KHHD1.5 Logo, be my guest.
 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yXXGDkBWdYQ/UQ8cYJovKzI/AAAAAAAAAL4/LDD4nuDHVyQ/s144/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15.png
-<br>UPDATE: The remaining logos I made
-<br>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iUQpwEBdU5I/UQ8iLQekAZI/AAAAAAAAAMY/kzjgNSe-b3E/s144/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15%2520%25283%2529.png
-<br>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i06equjAAzY/UQ8iLZP2PZI/AAAAAAAAAMU/4DxdrZUDPvg/s144/Wiki%2520Logo%2520KHHD15%2520%25282%2529.png
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 {{ShardofTruth|time=13:26, 4 February 2013 (UTC)|talk=I like the first logo a lot although the lettering is a bit hard to read when it's almost black on a black background. The argyle pattern is a bit bland, I don't know if it's the missing connective dots or because it's just black and white but there seems to be something missing. Maybe we should reduce the complexity of the pattern to the [[:File:Promotional_Art_03_KHD.png|KHD one]], this seems also more closer to the pattern on the KHHD cover.}}