Editing Forum:Forms Covered

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*Sora = Retro, Lion, Halloween, Dolphin, Data, Drive Forms
*Donald = Retro, Bird, Data, Halloween, Octopus
*Goofy = Retro, Turtle, Data, Halloween, Sea Turtle
*Pete = Lion, Retro, Captain Dark, Captain Justice
*Riku = Dark, Ansem

Those are forms from KH with any relevance. However, when we cover forms, one would think we'd include the following, as they categorize as "forms", even though they are just changes in outfit :

*Riku = Halloween, Anti
*Mickey = BBS, Halloween, Organization, Sorcerer
*Mulan = Ping
*Jack Skell. = Santa
*Jack Sparr. = Cursed
*Stitch = Alien
*Terra = Armored
*Ven = Armored
*Aqua = Armored
*Xemnas = Armored, Dragon, Final
*Xehanort's Heartless = Hooded, World of Chaos
*Jiminy Journal = Riku, Book, D-Report
*Saix = Anti

==Discussion==
{{EO|time=00:24, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|text=I personally feel each form on the top deserves a page and perhaps a special "form" infobox. As for those on the bottom, articles would either be redundant or whatever, but as we see Riku's Halloween Town Form has a page (cross it off the bottom), then why not include the other form changes, regardless of how small. Form articles (minus some on the top with numerous appearances) are generally short, anyways... This would mean an extension to the form template, too... I'm not begging for excess articles, here. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of something (note that this implies actual '''discussion''', not a one-reply "no" or "yes). For those on the bottom, I think we could just link , in Xemnas's case and X's Heartless, to their boss articles. This does not include characters who merely change outfits due to change of age (Riku's KHII form vs. KHI form, as an example).}}
{{TNE|time=01:33, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Form infobox ? Wait a minute : like, how ?}}
{{DTN|time=02:47, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|text=If you feel that Riku's Halloween Town Form in ''Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories'' is unimportant, then why did you create an article for it? To me, it seems to just repeat that Riku has a darker tint. It could just be mentioned in a Trivia bit or a small sentence on either the article for [[Riku]] or [[Halloween Town]].}}
{{EO|time=09:50, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=TNE : Just some infobox with categories being : ''World, Powers, etc.''

DTN : Because there was a red link on the Form Template. Rather nasty looking in my opinion. Besides... if it was to be on the template, we may as well make an article for it. It wasn't '''my''' decision or choice to put it on there. I just made the article to erase that red link.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Personally, I think the form infobox should only include those that have an official name. (It's "Riku (Halloween Town)", by the way). All the costume stuff is generally story-only, and doesn't affect gameplay. Most of the time, it's rather minor story as well. Basically, using the definitions above seems to really muddy what "form" is supposed to be, and confuses it with "One-Winged Angel" syndrome, or simply changing clothes.

So:
*Sora: Drive Forms, Dolphin Form, Lion Form, Card/Die Form
*Donald: Octopus Form, Hornbill Form
*Goofy: Turtle Form, Tortoise Form
*Riku: Dark Mode

Besides Pete's lion form, most of what you listed for him is "separate" characters, sort of like Riku's Ansem-Riku. These should be covered on separate pages, but should not be listed as Forms.

The D-Report is not the Journal, it is Riku's analogue to it.

The Timeless, Space, Halloween, and Christmas costumes are barely mentionable. If we do give them a page, it should be considered "costumes", and should probably just be one page per character. While they are somewhat analogous to the Pride and Atlantica costume/forms, those also have gameplay separation, which is why they are considered "Forms", not costumes. (So, "Sora's costumes", including the four costumes with a see also to the Pride and Atlantica, and possibly the Drive Forms).

The Anti-Riku and Anti-Saix are more enemy replicants of the bosses, and not true "Forms" of the character.

The Organization and Apprentice costumes of Mickey, and the Organization costume of Riku, are simply aesthetic, and there's nothing really to say about them that wouldn't be the plot of that character at that point in time. Same with Jiminy's Journal.

The same would go with Ping, Cursed Captain Sparrow, Alien Stitch, Hooded Xehanort, and Final Xemnas.

For Ansem-Xehanort and Xemnas, I personally feel that those would work better on one page for each (since the guide considers all of the Xemnas ones Xemnas, and Ansem-Xehanort's aren't very different), but if they are kept separate, they should not be considered Forms.


As for the Sorcerer Mickey and Chaser Terra, Aqua, Ventus, those could be Forms, but we don't really know anything about them yet. They certainly should not have separate pages.}}
{{EO|time=12:01, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|text=Let me make it perfectly clear to you that I was not requesting these articles' creation. I was merely trying to get this hole thing sorted out for the good of the Wiki, what we all strive for. I thank Kryten for his in-depth explanations, and now hope we can team up to make changes accordingly.}}
{{TNE|time=12:42, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Okay, so how shall we put in the form infobox ?}}
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 *Riku = Halloween, Anti
-*Mickey = BBS, Halloween, Organization, Sorcerer, Retro
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 *Mulan = Ping
 *Jack Skell. = Santa
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 {{EO|time=12:01, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|text=Let me make it perfectly clear to you that I was not requesting these articles' creation. I was merely trying to get this hole thing sorted out for the good of the Wiki, what we all strive for. I thank Kryten for his in-depth explanations, and now hope we can team up to make changes accordingly.}}
 {{TNE|time=12:42, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Okay, so how shall we put in the form infobox ?}}
-{{EO|time=13:38, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=World Used, Gained, Cause of Change, Game Debuted, Unique Ability?}}
-{{TNE|time=13:43, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Cause of change as in, Sora fuses with who, right ?}}
-{{EO|time=14:04, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Well, for a World Form, Donald's Magic/His Clothes. For a Drive, Fill Drive Gauge and merge w/Donald/Goofy/Both Party Members. For Card/Die, Fail at Luxord's Games.}}
-{{TNE|time=14:15, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|noel=And Limit Form ?}}
-{{EO|time=14:17, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|text=Fill the Drive Gauge/Sora's Clothes}}
-{{TNE|time=14:20, December 9, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Okay, once the infobox has been decided on, I'll apply the same layout over the other side.}}