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| {{ST|text=woooooooooow, its a frikkin miracle that you can now comment after all your comments}} | | {{ST|text=woooooooooow, its a frikkin miracle that you can now comment after all your comments}} |
| After all what comments I cant see my comments but I think u can!Yes | | After all what comments I cant see my comments but I think u can!Yes |
| {{ST|text=Congrats, now do you have anything else to contribute to this or is it a dead debate?}}
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| Well can u see this comment the one right now!
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| OK now about roxas with Vens soul and body begins!
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| You sir are an idiot. The whole time we could see your comments. And because of this, no one cares about this anymore.--Evnyofdeath 19:41, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| Im no idiot I wasnt sure if u could see my comments cause I coulnt see them!But now I know u can yes!
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| Ok just go comment on talk roxas ok this is TO CONFUSING THIS THING IS HAVING eerors!
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| Sigh. Whatever. Make any edits you want, but be warned. if there are no scources for it, the edits will be reverted and eventually you will be blocked. --Evnyofdeath 19:49, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::....ARG.
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| *ACCORDING TO THE SECRET ANSEM REPORT:
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| <blockquote>In other words, both the Nobody called Naminé and the Heartless—proof of a lost heart—are extremely unstable beings who lack the bodies needed to produce a Nobody. Therefore, they also lack Kairi's memories. One reason for this maybe that Kairi's heart did not return to the darkness when separated from her body, but rather migrated to another vessel...deep within Sora's heart.
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| That is, Naminé is an alter ego of the Kairi who has directly interfered with Sora's heart. Could this be why Sora and those hearts are connected to him were able to have their memories controlled?
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| She is a "non-being" in the truest sense of the word; having not even become a Nobody and with nowhere left to go, she is but the most fleeting of shadows.
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| As I have written before, she is a most unusual being.
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| Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody. I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi's hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Naminé emerged as Kairi's Nobody...but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora. </blockquote>
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| <blockquote>Apart from Naminé, Nobodies retain their memories of their time as humans, but Sora's Nobody, Roxas, has lost Sora's memories.
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| This is likely because Sora's time as a Heartless was short, having recovered his heart and returned to his human form soon after leaving behind Roxas, his Nobody.
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| It would seem Roxas is much like Naminé. Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, but came into being via Sora's body and soul.
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| Likewise, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, but was left behind because Sora's Heartless regained human form using Kairi's heart instead of his own.
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| It may be that Sora's memories are slow to return because the half of him that Roxas is still lacking.</blockquote>
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| *THIS MEANS THAT:
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| #'''''ROXAS AND NAMINE DO NOT FOLLOW THE NORMAL RULES FOR NOBODIES'''''
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| #SORA'S BODY AND SOUL WERE THE '''''CATALYST''''' FOR NAMINE'S CREATION, '''''BUT SHE DOES NOT POSSESS THEM''''''
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| #'''''ROXAS HAS SORA'S BODY AND SOUL, JUST AS HE SHOULD'''''.
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| Furthermore, ACCORDING TO NOMURA HIMSELF:
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| *ROXAS ALSO HAS VENTUS'S HEART.
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| That's it. That's the situation. Do not argue with this, it's what the story explicitly says.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:56, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| Hmmmm man I was wrong I gotta change my theroies.But if u said is true then Namine is like a hologram she has no memories no componets shes not even a nobody shes something else!
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| {{ST|text=Why do you think everyone refers to her as a special nobody?}}
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| Cuase she is a nobody of a princess and has power over memories!
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| {{ST|text=whatever, this conversation is over}}
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| Ok but theres still a mysterie why roxas looks exacly like ventus and why ventus looks like sora!
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| {{neumannz|time=20:24, September 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Not really, their hearts were connected. Nomura-confirmed.}}
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| Yes really just cause your hearts are connected doesnt make you look the same and act the same for example kairi and sora,mickey and riku hearts connected but dont change apperance and personality!
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| {{neumannz|time=20:47, September 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Are you serious? You can't think of any way the connection between Sora and Ven's hearts is different than any of those other ones? You're deliberately misunderstanding, aren't you?}}
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| I know the connection is special I mean their hearts are part of each other I know that but still not enough info is given to why they have the looks the personality!Theirs no answer for it directly!
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| {{neumannz|time=20:55, September 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Except the ones Nomura gave in the BBS Ultimania, you mean? Also, what do you mean by personality? Who has the same personality?}}
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| Ven and Sora have a VERY SIMILAR personality almost the same and they look the same to but why Im pretty sure it doesnt have to do with hearts!
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| {{Pea14733|time=05:52, September 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= What? They don't look the same! And heroic personality is the same for every main characters. Such as Sora and Ventus.}}
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| Um,yes roxas and sora look the same and since ven looks exacly like roxas he looks like sora how can u not see that and um,all the main characters r connected to sora in the kh series thats why they have the same personality but that doesnt explain why Ven and Sora look the same and act the same I really doubt that has to do with their hearts merging!
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| |time= Now and agin I look and see a squil being bit by a giant fle.
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| |text= What? How could Roxas have a heart if he is a Nobody? And if Namine has Sora's body and soul then what body and soul was Sora useing durring that time?
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| ==Nostalgia==
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| {{Zexion14|text= Does anyone else remember way back when chain of memories was new, everyone called Roxas "Blond Hair Kid" I always thought that name was just hystericly funny! *sighs*}}
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| == "I See Myself the Way You Remember Me..." ==
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| This was a statement I never understood between Namine and Roxas at the end of KH II, when Roxas says that "I see myself the way you remember me. And you see yourself the way I remember you." What does that even mean? I was so confused...
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| [[KyrianXVII]] 13:07, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| *I think it means that the reason they are able to project themselves out of their complete beings is because of their memories of eachother. --Evnyofdeath 17:37, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Why is it that roxas has soras memories but doesnt remember them?! ==
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| I wanna know why does anybody else know?!
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| :Among other things, it is because Sora spent so little time as a Heartless, and regained his form and memories in such a strange way.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:59, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| Oh thx I wanted to know.
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| ==Appearance??==
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| {{Givox|text= Isn't it somewhat of a contradiction as to why Roxas looks the way he does? It says he looks like Sora because Roxas is Sora's nobody, but he looks exactly like Ventus because Ventus was connected with Sora's heart when Roxas was created. Does that mean that there is a reason that Sora and Ventus look alike? Or am I thinking to hard about this???}}
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| No your not thinking to hard.I always wondered that aswell.I hope its explained in the future Kh games.
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| {{TalkSephiroth0812|time23:45, December 20, 2010 (UTC)|text=Actually there is a reason. It has to do with the prologue and the end of ''Birth by Sleep''. In the prologue when 9year-old Ventus was injured due to Xehanort cracking his heart and creating Vanitas, Ven made contact with a "just-in-the-process-of-being-born" heart, which was Sora. Sora's heart, on its way to be born into Sora's body, offered Ventus to heal his injured heart, which he accepted and therefore they formed a close connection between their hearts. It is possible that Sora's newborn heart took some of the impressions it gained by helping Ven with it which then influenced Sora's appearance slightly.
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| In the end of ''Birth by Sleep'' Ven's heart was so badly injured due to the destruction of the x-blade that even the connection with Sora's heart couldn't help anymore. So Ven's heart had only the choice to finally fade or seek refuge within Sora's own heart. Sora, being the nice guy he is, accepted Ven's plea and let him in.
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| Now for Roxas, when Sora's heart was overcome by its darkness due to the dark keyblade in KH I, Ven's sleeping, still badly maimed heart was ''expelled'' from its shelter (which became a heartless => the shadow we control in KH I) and remained within Sora's body. This body however became Roxas, and since the body's appearance is formed by the heart the body shapeshifted into the image of the injured heart: Ventus.}}
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| Then why is it that Roxas is still a Nobody if he has a heart?
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| He had Ventus's heart which allowed him to have emotions but since he did not have the heart of his original persona he felt unsure about his existence a common trait among nobodies.This is why he is still considered a Nobody.--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] 17:18, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Third Keyblade?==
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| In Deep Dive, if you look really closely as Roxas and Riku pass each other, you can see Oblivion in Riku's hand, Oathkeeper in Roxas' hand, and (I think) Kingdom Key in Roxas' other hand. I'm serious, take a look (you might need a high-quality video, it's pretty subtle, but it's still there).--[[Special:Contributions/71.223.68.218|71.223.68.218]] 00:39, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{ST|text=common knowledge. and it means absolutely nothing. secret videos like that are concept videos and are non-canon}}
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| ==Pictures==
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| I'm not quite sure if this was where to ask this, but where do you get your scans to cut images from? I can't find any good ones. --[[User:Heart of Fire|Heart of Fire]] 17:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Is he Really a Nobody? ==
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| Im a Bit Confused,
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| He Can Feel Emotions Through Ventus's Heart
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| If He Possesses Ventus's Heart, Then He Isnt a Nobody Right
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| Or As Goofy Said, Im Thinking Too Much.
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| first off remember to sign your posts secondly it was implied that he had ventus's heart it was not confirmed... like Xemnas may have chosen not to use the keyblade if he could wield it again not confirmed... but due to his emotional capacity it can be safe to say that he did have Ven's heart which is what caused him to look like Ven and have no memories and all that which would also make it confusing how Sora can save Ven and Roxas separately if Roxas had Ven's heart. Anyways it was implied but not 100% confirmed. Xander19[[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/User:Xander19]]
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| :No. He's a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater disguised as a blonde emo with a giant key.
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| :I thought we've been over this. He's a nobody. There is no denying it.
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| :Also, sign your posts. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 04:10, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
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