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| {{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 02:54, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't think we should have an age restriction. I think if a 7 year-old kid can contribute with proper grammar and legit information then we should let him. Now, if he cannot and will not that would give us a legitimate reason to block him. I know a few people who would ''surpass'' the age restriction and still not be able to contribute appropriately and vice versa. SUMMARY: We shouldn't have an age restriction so much as a maturity restriction.}} | | {{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 02:54, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't think we should have an age restriction. I think if a 7 year-old kid can contribute with proper grammar and legit information then we should let him. Now, if he cannot and will not that would give us a legitimate reason to block him. I know a few people who would ''surpass'' the age restriction and still not be able to contribute appropriately and vice versa. SUMMARY: We shouldn't have an age restriction so much as a maturity restriction.}} |
| I would like to add an opinion less than worthless. Maturity is such a subjective word, dependable on a majority or an individual's viewpoint. That said, I wouldn't want to enforce an age policy, but if I find a user who acts immaturely - vandalism, legal threats and/or constant disruptive behavior - there won't be any hesitation on enforcement, more so if the user is aged below 13 years old. I welcome good faith edits by users of any age, creed and whatever labels humanity would want to apply, but if you are caught undermining a wikia wiki's purpose then I assure you enforcement based on Wikia's Terms of Use will be applied. That said (again) it doesn't matter if this wiki decides to adopt an age policy or not, a user will be responsible for his/her actions regardless. End of opinion, if you should want to stick with it that is up to you. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 03:01, December 17, 2009 (UTC) | | I would like to add an opinion less than worthless. Maturity is such a subjective word, dependable on a majority or an individual's viewpoint. That said, I wouldn't want to enforce an age policy, but if I find a user who acts immaturely - vandalism, legal threats and/or constant disruptive behavior - there won't be any hesitation on enforcement, more so if the user is aged below 13 years old. I welcome good faith edits by users of any age, creed and whatever labels humanity would want to apply, but if you are caught undermining a wikia wiki's purpose then I assure you enforcement based on Wikia's Terms of Use will be applied. That said (again) it doesn't matter if this wiki decides to adopt an age policy or not, a user will be responsible for his/her actions regardless. End of opinion, if you should want to stick with it that is up to you. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 03:01, December 17, 2009 (UTC) |
| {{DTN|time=05:14, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text=I revoke my opinion; I now realize that I pretty much made a very screwed up opinion. However, this has to do with the fact that I actually didn't get all of Yuanchosaan's point on the IRC, so I had a misinterpretation. I had thought that we had to have a set age number, and suggested twelve years of age since the user that this issue arose because of was of this age. I apologize, and now completely agree with Yuanchosaan. | | {{DTN|time=05:14, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text=I revoke my opinion; I know realize that I pretty much made a very screwed up opinion. However, this has to do with the fact that I actually didn't get all of Yuanchosaan's point on the IRC, so I had a misinterpretation. I apologize, and now completely agree with Yuanchosaan. |
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| @LopLady1: The ironic part is that I am a moderator here.}} | | @LopLady1: The ironic part is that I am a moderator here.}} |
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| {{Ghostboy3000|time=12:45, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text= I disagree with this policy. We should only block people based on their behaviour and if they vandalize.}} | | {{Ghostboy3000|time=12:45, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text= I disagree with this policy. We should only block people based on their behaviour and if they vandalize.}} |
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| {{Malevolence Crystalised|time=--[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 14:09, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text= Wow O.O Users talking bout me... in a bad way.... with this per se i think i should better leave.. | | {{MC|time=--[[User:Malevolence Crystalised|Malevolence Crystalised]] 14:09, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text= Wow O.O Users talking bout me... in a bad way.... with this per se i think i should better leave.. |
| also [[User:Firaga44]] is not blocked. cause she is better than us youger ones i find this unfair... through all of you especially you DTN do not understand. Just '''Because a certain user would Steal your idea correct DTN?'''}} | | also [[User:Firaga44]] is not blocked. cause she is better than us youger ones i find this unfair... through all of you especially you DTN do not understand. Just '''Because a certain user would Steal your idea correct DTN?'''}} |
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| Frankly, this is not true, and I don't think such limitations should be set: ban someone for who they are, not who you think they are}} | | Frankly, this is not true, and I don't think such limitations should be set: ban someone for who they are, not who you think they are}} |
| {{DTN|time=23:10, December 17, 2009 (UTC)|text=And as you can see above, Malevolence Crystalised is one of the underage users that isn't going to make the contributive edits that we would like users to. As for his word, that's something that deals with projects outside of this wiki, and the case was proven that I was being stolen from idea-wise. And that gives me no prejudice against underage users. I actually know that we have several users on this wiki who are underage, but do make contributive edits often. Firaga44 is an example, as I'm sure some of you would expect. Anyway, I'm only leaving a second message so I don't get unnecessary user hate due to another user disliking me for another user's project being shut down, since it stole ideas from mine. And just to clarify, that was the issue with ZACH. Otherwise, I have no further issue with him; he has ceased his work now that he knows what he did, and he is just another average user to me.}}
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| {{Azul|time=00:35, December 18, 2009 (UTC)|text=I think that I'll pull from what everyone is saying, because most of the opinions voiced here, are similar to mine. Oks, so the "slogan", I guess you could call it, of '''every''' wiki is something along the lines of: ''"Welcome to the <wiki name>. The <wiki topic> database that anyone can edit!"'' limiting editors based on age is going against everything a wiki is about.
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| Myself, along with other people, were 13 when we first started out, a certain someone hadn't turned 14 yet when he was made '''Admin''' of the KHWiki, so it goes to show that age doesn't cause vandalism, Vandals cause vandalism o.o There are many a user who are ''well'' over the "age limit" but still act ''well'' under it.
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| Even if we did adopt this policy, who's to say that new users won't bump their age a few years to "get in". They could be the accepted age, but still cause problems, vandalism, etc. Then the policy wouldn't matter anymore.
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| I've come to realize that we can't ''force'' people to edit, no matter how hard you try. This Age Policy would knock off a lot of the socialize-ers, but it could also knock off current/potential editors. The KH series age group is low due to it being a Disney licensed game (duh). So, someone who played the game, was under-aged and wanted to edit, couldn't. Whether or not their edits were "grammatically correct", they're still edits that we didn't have. Poor grammar is not limited to the younger age <s>gropud</s> group.
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| All in all, like everyone else, I disagree with adopting this policy. This whole ordeal is just a bit ridiculous <small>I just realized that my opinion matters not, for everyone already agrees against the banpolicy >> *Azul sighs*</small>}}
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| {{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 00:40, December 18, 2009 (UTC)|text=There is power in numbers, Azul. Your opinion counts. :P}}
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| {{TNE|time=02:52, December 18, 2009 (UTC)|noel=For Malevolence Crystalised, he approached me on my FFW talk page yesterday. He had the guilty mind of vandalising... primarily because he just didn't see how he could be as useful as other contributors. Listen, the whole thing is blown out of proportion just because some users intimidate younger users, and not to mention the crap I sometimes find on talk pages. If it's a wiki that '''EVERYONE''' and '''ANYONE''' can edit, then the Age Policy should not be implemented. Full stop. No place for discrimination here, please.
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| I'm 18, but that doesn't mean that we should limit the users to the teenage range.}}
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| ::really, all having an age restriction does is make people lie about their age. I've done it, and i still say I'm 18 on ebay. if they are making trouble block them, but otherwise their only crime is not haveing existed as long as someone else .
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| {{DOH|time=12:13, December 18, 2009 (UTC)|text=Exactly, you would be making things worse.}}
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| {{MelodiousNature|time=15:06, December 18, 2009 (UTC)|text=I disagree completely on this. Age should only be restricted if it goes against people's rights i.e. Children under 16 are not allowed to watch Nudity etc.
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| Kingdom Hearts is a good that can be played by people under the age of 13 so I don't see why those same children can't talk about it for the same reason. I hope people agree
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| Thank You for reading, take care.}}
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| {{Dornob|time=03:06, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=To be quite honest, I'm under 13 (12). I'm mature for my age, however. Proper grammar, not acting like a spoiled brat, I have these. Yet, of course, I was blocked from FFW until I am 13 (it's on the 29th, fyi. ) and I thought that was unfair. I say it should only be if the user is mature enough to support this wiki. If they don't they will be blocked until they can.
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| This is my opinion. Thank you. I'll be waiting for my blockage soon. :l}}
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| {{BebopKate|time=04:12, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=It would seem then that the opinion is overwhelmingly to allow younger users to continue editing, so long as they edit in good faith and remain mature and sensible about it. I'm willing to call that an official policy if you guys are.}}
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| {{JFHavoc|time=[[User:JFHavoc|JFHavoc]] 04:21, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=I second that.}}
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| {{TNE|time=04:23, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|noel=''Moi aussi ! ^_^''}}
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| :Since it's unanimous, same here. =]--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 04:51, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Dornob|time=05:49, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm good with it. *erases above post with liquid paper.*}}
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| Agreed.--[[User:RedemptionUltima|[[User:RedemptionUltima]]]] 06:07, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Ghostboy3000|time=13:21, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=Je suis d'accord avec cette politique (look who speaks good french now :P)}}
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| {{TNE|time=14:26, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Now THAT's a literal translation. It should be ''Je suis d'accord avec cette '''implementation''''' (pardon the lack of accents but you get my point).}}
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| {{CKX|time=[[Special:Contributions/86.46.231.236|86.46.231.236]] 16:07, December 21, 2009 (UTC) (UTC)|text="It Seems That The Only Person For This Decision Was Hexedmagica....."}}
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| {{TNE|time=16:14, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|noel=For all you know, he might've changed his mind, don't you think ? After all, I think we should push this forward : E-rated games call for younger editors, and not all of them are immature. Think Ienzo. ^_^}}
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| {{Veroso|time=17:50, December 21, 2009 (UTC)|text=I personally see no reason for an age restriction.}}
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| {{Xeyj|time=[[User:Xeyj|Xeyj]] 12:58, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't see why there should be an age limit. thats like saying that just because someone is old that they can't play video games. My Dad is 39 and he is a founder of the diablo II online channel op yipyaw and my uncle, who sadly is in jail for almost 2 more years, was ranked 16 out of almost 200000 players until his account got banned. it was still on the leader board for 6 months without him playing his char at all. He was also the founder and clan chief of the D2 clan CKD.}}
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| {{Bluer|13:48, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|Well I've been wanting to pitch in so here goes, kupo. The age policy isn't concerned about stopping under-13s from editing, nope, kupo. What it aims is to protect the age group from abuse and malpractice by others who would solicit personal information, infringe privacy and expose the minors in a variety of dangers, kupo. I'm no legal expert so I won't go further into definitions of any kind, kupo.
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| Although now its consensus that the wiki generously allows under-13s to edit, I might want to remind users of all ages that you edit this Wikia Wiki at your own risk, and there are wikiconducts and wikietiquette to be followed at all times, kupo. Abuse your privilege to edit, kupo, and the administration won't hesitate to enforce protective measures upon you, kupo.
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| I say we archive this,}}
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| {{TNE|time=14:33, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|noel=Yep, we've just gotta.}}
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| I am not sure if this was settled yet or not, but I'm putting my opinion in anyway. I think the age limit thing is kinda stupid, because the games are E and E+10. If they were E+13 then I see where an age restriction might come in. But they are E+10. I am 13, but for some odd reason people think I'm 12, and I am quite mature. Sure, I only make small edits, such as spelling, grammer, and common sense, but every little bit helps. Not all vandals are younger than 13. Anyone can vandalize. And having a age restriction might cause more vandalism, because younger editors who got banned might want revenge for being banned. --{{User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig}} 17:15, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
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| {{BebopKate|time=04:22, December 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Bluer, that last paragraph of yours (or something in the same spirit) needs to be somewhere "official" and upfront, methinks. Any suggestions, anyone?
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| And admittedly, you also did voice my one concern about younger editors due to the safety issues; most everyone here has been pretty sensible so far, though, and I know we do have some parents helping out their stalwart editors. But we also might want to add some advisories along the lines of personal info to our User Page tutorial just in case.}}
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| <nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki> Do I really care about how young or old someone is on this wiki? I care not. Do I care about how well-mannered someone is on this wiki? I think so.
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| The kingdom hearts series is a video game ment to be enjoyed by all ages, whether you be 3 or 81. I know a lot of young and old people like this game. Personally, just do what every wiki does; block those who's intentions are bad. While the stereotype of those who are young behave badly may or may not seem to be true, anyone has the ability to do both good or bad. Age should not matter; behavior should. Heck, the under 13/whatever age policy does not make sense in the slightest because of how lax it is; its easy to lie about your age on the internet and when I registered on the wikia, I did not remember seeing a 'please list your age' option(It was a while though since I registered so this may have changed.)
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| Overall, age should not matter here on this wikia; behavior definitely should. There should be no age policy on this wikia; stereotypes may have truth, but theres always somebody willing to dispel the truths about those stereotypes. An age policy on this wikia would just create more heated debate on this wikia. Got it memorized?--[[User:Pkthis|Pkthis]] 17:35, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
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