Editing Forum:2015's EoYE

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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)|dango=I hear the rustles of dusty school bags, hey it's September and that means we only have four months 'til the end of year. I assume we're planning on doing another Event so we better get started on planning out our '''<big>End of Year Event 2015!</big>'''

Like last year, we're beginning by drafting out ideas and deciding which one we want to do. Contribute your ideas and comment on everyone else's too!}}

==Ideas==
===Keyblade War character contest===
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)|default=Celebrating the recent KHUX, my idea is a contest that involves small groups of three to collaborate and create their own Keyblade Wielder present at the time of the Keyblade War (similar to a roleplay).

The way it works is each person in a group contributes one creative piece that shows a certain aspect of the character and when the three creative pieces are looked at together, we understand the character in a fuller picture. I use the term "creative piece" loosely to encourage as many types as possible: fanfics, stories, monologues, diary entries, comic strips, character portraits, art, collages, musical tracks, and whatever else you can think of. For example, one group could have a portrait of the character, a backstory, and a Keyblade design.

There will be a group of impartial judges who anonymously score each group's work and from that, we get a winner. The scoring could have certain marking brackets, something like a score out of 10 marks for each individual piece, 5 marks for the overall connectivity and shared themes between them, and 5 marks for variety between creative pieces (to avoid something like three stories). These categories aren't set in stone. If marking individually is too harsh, we could do a combined score of the group's entire collection. The bonus categories could change too.

I understand that collaborating to create one character might be something that could get somewhat sensitive or argumentative, so randomly selecting groups as we done in the past might not work out. On one hand, random grouping makes sure no one feels left out but on the other hand, choosing your own group would mean partnering up with similar-minded people, which would make teamwork a lot smoother. I think that we should get the best of both. If people wish, they can form their own group and all sign up together or they can choose to sign their name under a "Put me in a group!" section which will be randomised to generate groups. 

This is a fairly ambitious event that demands quite a lot from people so if we decide on this idea, the earlier we begin, the better. We want as much time for the work to be done as possible, perhaps begin November, judge mid-December and results come out in magazine?

Okay, here's hoping I remembered to say everything I planned on saying...}}
Shall we begin sign-ups? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:30, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
{{Draaek|time={{User:Draaek/Sig}} 00:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)|Dragon=I do like how that idea sounds (and I would personally love to design some keyblades after a few artworks I've seen) but I only see one tiny problem. If someone from the group doesn't get its part on time then the whole team is going to get affected. Since this requires long term work I'd say we make sure that anyone who signs up fully commits on going till the end OR we can have a sign up area for those who don't really want to fully participate but would gladly fill in should someone need to retire early from the competition.

Besides that I think all your points are good enough FM, however the judging part will need more opinions to make sure everyone is fine with them.}}

I really like this idea. Even moreso if non-users like me can participate. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.38.40|97.81.38.40]] 00:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 10:26, 5 September 2015 (UTC)|happy=Draaek, good point! The "Fill-in" sign up section sounds good and I guess we could change the scoring system so that a group with only two pieces won't be penalised as much (although they'll probably get 1/5 for variety and teamwork so that third person has still stuffed up a lot). It's a trust exercise! I'd also say that if a person thinks they can't finish the job, they should quit ASAP so another person can fill in quickly.

Honestly, I'm really uncomfortable with anons participating. Rex Ronald Rilander, why don't you create an account? And you're sure that you're going to carry the contest out through to the end, right? }}

Relax man, I can handle it. Though if you decide against non-users participating, to that I say: Fair enough. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.38.40|97.81.38.40]] 19:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

{{Aixon|time= {{User:Aixon/Sig1}} 07:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC) |RoxasSad= I approve of the theme for the event, and would love to take part. However, I'm not entirely certain how much spare time I will have on my hands starting this coming Saturday so I shall hold back on putting my name down for the moment... }}

{{TNE|time=09:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)|text=Count me in. Artwork and music will be coming from yours truly. BUT: Only recruit me if you have an equal on another team, because I will openly admit that I am a contest-breaker here on the wiki.}}
{{ANX219|time=14:36, 7 September 2015 (UTC)|text=Ah but alas, no one compares to you, my dear~ <nowiki> *is shot*</nowiki> Idea sounds like a good event. The only problem is finding teammates with enough free time to complete the projects, since a couple are still in school and uni. It will give me good motivation create more art!}}

{{Chitalian8|time=15:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)|happy= A shame that we lost the pages from that ol' RP project, there were some pretty good OCs with art and everything there.}}
{{TNE|time=12:49, 8 September 2015 (UTC)|text=If it does turn out that I ''am'' a game-breaker for the End of the Year event, then I'll ofter to do artwork and music as a neutral person. Not only to make it fair for everyone, but also to spice things up a bit. ^_-

Already now, I've started to draw and it's beginning to look... hm. I'm not quite sure how to put it.
https://40.media.tumblr.com/e8aa1e628fae50159f36c03b528ea152/tumblr_nuczl1njH81qi9jtpo1_1280.png}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)|dango=TNE: your work will only be a third of the group's anyway; yes, you shall be one of ~''trois''~.

Also, four points:
*How do people feel about this marking scheme: 5 marks for each individual piece (reduced to five so individuals are less pressured), 5 marks for how connected the pieces are (essentially marks for teamwork), 5 variety marks (how out of the box are their choices of creative piece), giving a total of 25.
*If people can't commit time to participating, do sign up as a judge! The more judges we have, the fairer the scores will be!
*How private/public do we want it to be? Do we want teams to communicate off-wiki and keep their ideas a secret to build to a big reveal? Or should we be relaxed with it? Personally, I'd let each group decide how public they want to make themselves.
*When should we start? I think we should have signups throughout October, begin the event in November, collect everyone's work mid-December and have a judging week from roughly the 15th-22th, leaving another week for the results to be put into the magazine.}}

Sounds solid to me. Not that my opinion as a non-user means much. [[Special:Contributions/97.81.38.40|97.81.38.40]] 20:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander
{{TheSilentHero|time=17:44, 9 September 2015 (UTC)|roy=Here are my thoughts:
*I would go with 10 marks for at least the individual pieces. It gives judges the option of having different grades of "good". For example, with 5 marks, only 4 counts as "good", as 5 is "perfect" and 3 is "average". However, with 10 marks, 7, 8, and 9 all are "good".
*I'm not very creative myself, so I'd like to sign up as a judge. How exactly are the scores handled? Do the judges decide on one score together, or do they give a score each?
*I'd let the group decide it themselves. Like you said, it's not secret, and since it's about original characters, groups can't copy the other's work.
*I think that sounds good. We could even have an announcement in the upcoming magazine.
*I'm not really sure we should have a "Fill-in" section. On one side, if one person in the group doesn't have time, he/she can be replaced, but on the other side, there may be no need to replace anyone and the Fill-in users can't participate in the event. Maybe we should make it so that if one person can't finish, or won't respond, the other two members of the group can create the third piece themselves.
*What are we going to do when we don't have enough users to fill all groups with three people?}}
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC)|sad=So:
*10 marks for each piece? If that's what everyone agrees, okay then. What will we actually be looking for when judging? The polish and quality of the piece? The ideas or themes in it? Its enjoyability? Or a mixture of all? I'm not sure what direction we're taking but it might be a good idea to break down the marks for each piece further.
*I imagined that there'd be a google forms like last year and judges send their scores through that. Then, they can be totalled (maybe averaged) for a group's final score. Does anyone else want to host the google forms this year? And who wants to write the magazine article? I have no problem doing both but if anyone has a problem with me competing and hosting the scores, I have no problem with handing the job over to someone else. Likewise, I would like to do the write-up for the magazine at the end but someone else can do it if they want.
*Sure, if a group ends up with only two people, the third pieces can be created by the other two people.
*I think we can worry about that if it happens. Either we pressure someone to fill a slot, have a pair who doesn't have a problem with doing three works, or convert a participant into a judge if they don't mind. It depends on the situation and people involved.}}

==Bump==
Shall I create the [[KHWiki:End of Year Event 2015]] page and start the sign-up sheet? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:57, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
:Sure. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:36, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Should I copy it over to the Keyhole like we did last time? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:49, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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-===Kingdom Hearts Attraction Ride Design Contest===
-I was thinking about maybe designing a Kingdom Hearts themed attraction contest about what would you want in a KH Ride and how would one be designed. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 23:52, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
-:I think it's too late to flesh out this idea and considering there were only three signups to last year's Design-a-World, this may not be the most successful event for our current community. Do sign up to the character creation event though.{{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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 :Sure. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:36, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 Should I copy it over to the Keyhole like we did last time? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:49, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
-:I guess so, yeah. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 09:46, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
-==Plan B?==
-So, with the current sign-ups, should we keep a plan B in mind in case we don't have enough participants? Or maybe leave a message on the talk pages of users who participated in last years event, asking to join the event? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
-:Should we tweak it so that groups only have to produce two creative pieces and the third person is just for advice or quality control? Alternatively, we just work in pairs (and that's the option I prefer). Originally, I hoped for at least three groups but if that's not possible, let's push for two groups so we have some contest going on. We should pitch the group sign ups to people with more free time and the judging aspect to less-committed people. <s>Also, we really need a person to head the event. My free time is suddenly quite meagre so I don't want to commit to too much, especially because I'm already running the magazine, but I'll take the lead if no one else puts themselves forward.</s> Great, Chain put himself forward! {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)