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JFHavoc Talk to Me! — What do you have against me? I'm sorry, I didn't know your jaw would fall off. — 01:30, March 25, 2010 (UTC) I've been doing a lot of thinking lately, and after taking a good look at the staff page and talking it over a little with Xion4ever I've come to the conclusion that we don't have enough active staff members. We have 12 admins and out of those admins only 4 of them are listed as active. THEN out of those admins only one of them edits regularly. That's one out of twelve admins that is a regular day to day editor. Then we go to moderators, we have four moderators. Out of those four moderators I'm not sure if any of them are really active. TNE is slightly inactive do to real life complications, DTN isn't as involved with the wiki as he used to be, and Urutapu and HoO haven't edited in a while. Staff members are not above other users. They are regular users who have been given responsibilities. You cannot carry out those responsibilities if you're not here. Some of our admins haven't edited in over half a year. And absolutely none of our bureaucrats are active. I suppose my point is that we need more staff members. Staff members who edit here on a day to day basis. I'm not trying to offend or put down current staff members (although if my observations are correct a majority of them may not even see this message) but if you had an actual job in the real world and you didn't show up for it, you would be fired. I wanted to have my thoughts heard because I feel like this is an important topic. FINAL THOUGHT: I think we should elect or appoint (or whatever you do) more staff members. Thoughts?

Thoughts

Demonic Saint - Then go talk to a wall... TALK - I dreamt I was a moron - 01:46, March 25, 2010 (UTC) We need staff that will edit regularly and do not abuse power. Choose the right users, that's all I ask. If the staffs become inactive then it will be just one MORE useless staff member.

Master Boye - Along the road ahead lies something you need. However, in order to claim it you must lose something that is dear to you. TALK - To lose and claim anew, or to claim anew only to lose... — 07:22, January 3, 2010 (UTC) I second that: it's not just picking the users who do the most, but picking those who do the most in conjunction with those who can handle the responsibility of coming on frequently.

UnknownEnigma - In the meantime, would you be interested in meeting another who is considered a hero? TALK - Your existence is worth nothing! UE completely agrees. Having those at the position of leadership that aren't currently active is like electing a boulder for president. It doesn't do anything. You might as well not have made them leaders.

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? I agree with everything you said. We need more active staff members. But first, we need to find out the ones who are temperarily inactive and when they plan on returning. I know that TNE will probably come back after a while, but I'm not sure about the others. But you're right, JFH, this needs to be resolved.

[nods] I agree, its ridiculous to have so many admins, and yet have such a low percentage of them that are still regular editors. There are plenty of active members right now that would do well as mods or even admins. LapisScarab Good tidings, friends. Today is a momentous day. I am pleased to announce that a new comrade has been chosen to wear the coat. — 02:12, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 02:33, March 25, 2010 (UTC)   Well, all the important arguments have been made, so there's not much for me to add, but it's only the responsible thing to do to have reliable, present staff members around the wiki. (No disrespect to any absent staff members, whichever ones you are. You have your reasons.)

We definitely need new staffers. No question about it. but they must be reliable. Otherwise there's no point in having them.

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. I don't think we need more staff. To be honest, we don't need active mods, since the only psecial abilities they have are rollback (although they should have more). Also, I am actually active. I may not edit here very often, but I do watch this place, just incase you people need help from an admin. So really, I thnik it would'nt really help anybody if we promote editors to mods. -15:50, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 15:55, March 25, 2010 (UTC) We wouldn't just be adding Mods. The Moderator's rollback ability is only really necessary in times of severe vandalism, so not very often. Also, even with you being an active admin that really only makes 2 out of 12. My argument stands.

Yes, may i say I haven't seen many here in a long time. DTN is back, so that is another mod, makes 2. But still, Ultima is here, and Kryten is here. Kate seems to be having complications in life so she isn't editing. Still, it is a waste of time having all of these administrators here when they aren't even here. Personally, I think an op or mod should be de-opped or de-modded (?) if they are inactive for a certain period of time. I mean Riku##### left after making 26 edits! Scottch and all of the originals have left too. They should be de-opped until they return. I mean it is useless having people be admins. if they don't even edit on the wiki anymore. Therefore, I agree with JFH, we should de-admin people, and assign new ones. I mean TNE is at the top of the featured users, and her rank is only a mod. I really don't see how that is fair. *rants on about nothing and recaps ideas*. Therefore, I believe in what JFH is saying. *Falls asleep after examining the blank look on the faces of the audience*. User:ZexionTheGamer/Signature

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Well we would only be changing peoples status to mod, as none of the mods right now are active, and we don't just promote people straight to admin status. Also, rollback is horrible. All it means is it takes about 1 less click to undo an edit, and it just is not worth giving to anybody. Also, de-opoing people is not the answer. Those peole worked hard to earn their title, and deserve to keep it until they decide to give it up. Also, the reason that TNE is not anything more than a mod is because most of her edits are on user talk pages. Also, TNE is inactive. -16:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dan - My friends are my power! — 18:23, March 25, 2010 (UTC) I don't think that anyone should be de-staffed, as Ultima said, they worked hard for their title. We're not in desperate need of a staff election, but I'm not saying it's a bad idea to consider one.

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 19:43, March 25, 2010 (UTC) I never said anything about taking admin or moderator positions away from current admins and mods. I simply said we needed more active staff members. And if people can't just be promoted to admins and you're ruling out moderators then we'll never get new admins. We may not need moderators, but if we don't have any we'll never get any more admins either.

JFH, I was just saying my idea (no, you didn't say it). Still, you are right Ultima. I am just thinking that some of these admins left within the first month of the wiki. Why not just remove their image (Place it in an archive like "the previous admins") then assign new ones. I mean, there is only 1 Bueracrat, and he isn't here that often. We really need to get more staff members. 3 or 2 is just not enough. JFH told me that a 100 article wiki is recommended to have 4 administrators, so... User:ZexionTheGamer/Signature

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. A wiki with 100 pages does not need 4 admins. This wiki is fine with only 2 or 3 active. We have survived with only 2 admins active before, and we can do it again. We admins are a hard working bunch, and if something needs done, we will do it. And anyway, if there is a problem, and an admin does not respond to the crisis after being alerted, you can always contact a member of wikia staff, like Uberfuzzy, and they will get the job done. But if you do contact them, make sure it is urgent, like if the wiki is on fire or something. -21:01, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds fair enough. JFH, what is your final say? User:ZexionTheGamer/Signature

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 21:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC) According to one of those help pages you're supposed to read when you start a wiki, it is recommended you have about 4 admins. It also says the number of admins on a wiki is completely up to the founder. Since our founder isn't here anymore it's up to us to decide how many admins we have. But this isn't really about the number of admins we have. We have plenty of admins. But only 2/12 of those admins are really editing at this time. I know we can survive with only 2 admins, but I don't think we should be.

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. OK, I don't like the idea of new admins, but if the majority of the active community wants it, then it should probably happen. But in my opinion, there is only 2 candidates worthy of become admins, these two . -21:18, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree fully! I think that would be great for them as they are great editors! User:ZexionTheGamer/Signature

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 21:52, March 25, 2010 (UTC) I don't know. HoO and DTN are both pretty inactive. Making two inactive Mods Admins is kind of pointless. That's like two more inactive staff members. Kind of pointless.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 22:08, March 25, 2010 (UTC)   Don't worry about who to promote before you decide if you're going to promote at all. Are enough people satisfied that this would be a help?

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 22:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC) I agree, we have to decide if we're even getting new staffers before we decide who they are. I'm obviously all for it.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 22:20, March 25, 2010 (UTC) I really don't care either way. What I will not stand for is this forum or potential future election being used to insult/bring down other users (an example being "He/she doesn't edit mainspace enough, where as I do all the time. Don't vote for him/her, or you'll be making a big mistake for this Wiki"). I will be sure to alert a staff member if I see this happening, should an election take place. Should this happen, we are to view the user as a whole, and not base him/her's chances on becoming a staffer on personal experiences. When I say whole, I also mean every aspect.

Two active admins is not enough for a wiki like ours. We definitely need new admins, and fast. Give worthy people, such as NinjaSheik, TNE, DTN and ENX the adminship, it's in good hands with them. We can definitely trust these four. DTN and TNE are on break right now, but they would still make great admins. As for the higher talk page editcount than mainspace, who really cares? As long as the edits are good, quality edits, and the talk pages don't outnumber the mainspace by too many, then go for it.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? We have to remember that non-mainspace edits are often answering questions about the way the wiki works, giving warnings, and trying to decie how to better the wiki and its articles. Non-mainspace edits still count.

I disagree on the non-mainspace edits, granted some users use talkpages as means of helping new users, etc. Also those users who use talkpages as means of helping new users, etc. are known (such as Xiggie). However, (I know with "older" editors) there is alot of wiki princesses and such. You don't elect and admin/mod for being a wiki princess, you elect them for their help editing articles and other mainspace areas. ]http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Editcount] Xion4ever Who am I? — 00:35, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

DTN is back. Still, I think it should be HOO and DTN. They have been good to the wiki, been here quite a while, and have their hearts in the right place, trying to help this place as much as possible. I do agree with Xion, however, she makes a good argument. User:ZexionTheGamer/Signature

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 01:22, March 26, 2010 (UTC)   I'm not a huge fan of the idea of relying on edit counts. For one thing, I know I prefer to do significant edits over the nitty-griity details, unless I come across an edit I find undo-worthy, but I wouldn't want to be judged by my relatively low edit count, nor would I want a potential admin to be judged like that. I would suggest relying more on what we've seen of an editor's behavior and habits on the wiki, which includes both edits and discussions. Sometimes it's more important for the admin to be there to handle people than just content.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Do any of you know any good canadiates for new staff members?

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 02:50, March 26, 2010 (UTC) Just off of the top of my head, ENX, Xion4ever, and even you are all staff worthy in my opinion.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Thanks, but does the other staff members think of this?

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" I really think ENX should be an admin.

Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Before peopel start saying they want blah blah blah as an admin, please look at their edit count. Just because someone has made thousands of edits, it does not mean they have helped the wiki. Alos, please don't just look at the mainspace edits, also look at their file, template, category, and card edits. Also, I am againts people who are not already mods becoming admins. People have to work up the ladder, not just skip to the top. But I am fine with people saying that they want blah blah to become a mod. -21:09, March 26, 2010 (UTC)